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> The game is being finished by Gearbox Software and will be published by Take-Two Interactive, maker of the “Grand Theft Auto” series. The game is being shown to consumers and the press for the first time at a video game convention today. Gearbox hopes to release the game next year.

tzenes

they list the ship date as 2010

so they'll finish development this year, and we'll get it early next year

Ivo Flipse

seeing is believing

tzenes

fuck, pax is starting and I'm stuck here at work

LessPop_MoreFizz

Today is a day for doing the impossible.

DNF coming out

what next.

tzenes

Jessica Simpson + my bedroom

LessPop_MoreFizz

5:41 PM

pitchfork.com/news/… This is the coolest thing you will see all day.

Also, if there is any man on the face of the earth who looks like he would invent a Mind Controlled Theremin, it's probably Robert Schneider.

Gaming

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Q: Identify, Old Windows Point and click adventure game. Pixel art set in the future puzzle and problem solving.

Alright, I can't remember which year I played this in but it was definitely from 1998-Early 2000's Was definitely played on Windows 2000 or Windows 98 but I'm leaning towards 2000 just a bit. However its possible the game could have been released before that. Graphics were 2D most likely pixel ar...

Arda Xi

@Gaming Aren't all videogames pixel art?

Macha

Nope. Pixel art is a specific type. See Canabalt, old RPGs etc,

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ArdaXi That said, all /old/ video games are pixel art. But anything from the 32bit-era on, if it's pixel-art it's a stylistic choice. On the old stuff, it was a technical constraint.

badp

Nethack also is pixel art?

LessPop_MoreFizz

5:49 PM

@badp all old GRAPHICAL video games.

nethack is ASCII art. :P

tzenes

hey, what is the definition of rogue like?

because I used to think it was ascii art

then I thought it was procedural dungeon crawler

badp

A game like Rogue.

tzenes

sadly "like" is not well defined

LessPop_MoreFizz

The most common criteria is procedurally generated dungeon crawler. Though other features like Permadeath, ascii graphics, turn/step based movement and combat, and things like an identification system are all commonly cited as criteria as well.

tzenes

so is DF roguelike?

badp

5:53 PM

Procedurally generated dungeon. You start at the top. Your goal is at the bottom. In the middle, increasingly more powerful items and enemies. Oh, and you need to eat. Usually equipped with complex resistance systems, minmaxing problems. And of course, permadeath.

Macha

Adventure mode, maybe

Fortress mode, nope

badp

In DF there's no goal...

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp The goal in DF is Fun.

badp

It's not at the bottom! :P

Not necessarily anyway.

LessPop_MoreFizz

More accurately, DF began life as a roguelike with it's Adventure mode, and fortess mode was a nifty extra feature that grew to become the game.

Roguelikes: Fun on the bottom, Death on top.

tzenes

5:55 PM

in the original DF there was a "Bad Ending" at the bottom

Macha

There still is?

More so now?

badp

@tzenes rly?

Macha

Because you could deplete HFS, but not Hell in DF2010.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Lava.

badp

Oh. That doesn't count. That's fun.

tzenes

5:56 PM

no, bad ending is not lava

df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Hidden_Fun_Stuff

I guess its still in DF2010

C. Ross

clowns ...

Ivo Flipse

and we've wasted yet another day on Python! hoeray

I hate coming up with algorithms if you don't know how to do stuff :(

badp

Okay, now I know there's actually some kind of goal in DF that is so impossibly far away it's far easier to reach 10k on SF for me

tzenes

wouldn't that be very... roguelike?

Macha

@alexanderpas See DF room - save file uploaded.

badp

6:06 PM

I don't know, on average roughly one in every thousand (?) chars win @tzenes :P

tzenes

haha

Gaming

6:25 PM

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Q: Do these enemies ever stop spawning?

I am in the first level, just past the second loading screen. The Spartan knocks over a large statue (looks like a globe of water with a serpent wrapped around it) and jumps down into the room behind it. This room has wheels on the walls that you can interact with. Enemies spawn continuously in ...

iphone hero-of-sparta-2

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse Heh, try ASM

ASM?

assembly

Assembly

its like writing C code but you have a limited number of variables

actually, that's all it is, its really not that bad

Arda Xi

6:31 PM

It's quite a bit more complicated

all you have to work with are numbers really

tzenes

we used to program Robots with ATMega8s and it was fine

Arda Xi

you can't compare it to C by any measure though

C is so easy compared to Assembly

Ivo Flipse

instead of bickering about what language is better

how about suggesting how I divided my measurement into 4 paws

tzenes

region growing algorithm

Ivo Flipse

that probably just allows me to find where the paws are

tzenes

6:36 PM

it should seperate them if you use the right consants

Ivo Flipse

useful, so I'm writing it down :P, but I found those in my example measurement

badp

You could try and group paws in groups of four based on what groupings looks the most right

tzenes

wait, what do you mean by divide your measurement into 4 paws

I assume you have all 4 in an image and you want to identify them

Ivo Flipse

haha, I was already working on getting the image here

badp

I think it's about guessing which paw is frontright, which is frontleft, ...

Ivo Flipse

6:37 PM

yes, what @badp is saying

tzenes

haar classifier

Ivo Flipse

so the one in the top right was the first (front left)

C. Ross

Vote to Close: Off Topic

Gaming

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Q: CS 1.6 error with sxe Injected

Hi, i am unable to play cs 1.6 with sxeInjected 11. Upon launching game it creates log file in cs installation folder with name sXe Injected.txt containing following text 2010/09/03 18:27:15 - 2010/09/03 18:27:15 - ------------------ 2010/09/03 18:27:15 - sXe-I dll starting 2010/09/03 18:27:1...

counter-strike

badp

Make it into a MMORPG where people must guess which is which!

tzenes

6:38 PM

haha

Ivo Flipse

well the problem is @tzenes, I can't just rely on what it looks like

tzenes

what can you rely on?

Ivo Flipse

and then still I need to determine which paw it is

I know when and where the paw hits and leaves the plate

so if I have three paws at the same time

tzenes

well if paws are used in certain ways, the classifier should be able to pick out which is which from a base reading

Ivo Flipse

I can estimate what is left and right

tzenes

6:39 PM

oh, you have temporal data

C. Ross

Does borderlands-dlc need it's own tag?

Ivo Flipse

I don't have base readings :(

tzenes

you can probably infer direction

@Cross probably not, but I don't see how it could hurt

@Ivo base readings just means taking a reading once

have the dog stand with all 4s and then cut the image up in paint, create your classifier out of that

Ivo Flipse

I tried to come up with a simple loop that found when I had three paws on the plate, but I didn't manage to just get three, I always got 'more' unless I start manually cutting them out...

yeah, but the measurements have already been done, so I can't do that ;)

tzenes

ok, go through the measurements and figure it out, it shouldn't be too hard

looking at the image you linked I think I could guess pretty accurately

badp

6:42 PM

@tzenes That doesn't really mean anything

Ivo Flipse

well it's not a problem to make it work for this example, but I make sure I picked a nice measurement to start with

and there shouldn't be too much manual labour, as that would almost beat the purpose :P

badp

The human brain can adequately solve many tasks thatare prohibitive for computers.

Processing natural language, e.g.

tzenes

well if the classifier is dictated by the direction of the paw (front paws face forward, back paws are splayed to the side) then a relative measurement is sufficient

@Badp I was saying for him to do it, so if I can do it, he probably can

I wasn't suggesting the computer build its own classifier

systempuntoout

evening

badp

Evening

tzenes

6:45 PM

hi

systempuntoout

hi badp :)

Ivo Flipse

hehe, thanks for wildly overestimating my programming skills @tzenes ;-)

tzenes

np

Macha

Speaking of programming, since we're off topic, I want to write something in Haskell, but can't think of any ideas :(

Ivo Flipse

write me something that divides that into four paws :P

Macha

6:54 PM

I haven't a clue where to start for that.

badp

@systempuntoout SuperUser isn't kidding :P

systempuntoout

@badp lol

Who is going to buy Pes2011?

Macha

Nope

:P

Arda Xi

well that makes no sense as an answer...

who is this 'nope'?

systempuntoout

@Macha Fifa fan or you don't like soccer?

badp

7:00 PM

I cannot possibly be interested in any soccer simulation game ever anymore after appreciating the level and realism of gameplay in International Super Star Soccer Deluxe

Macha

@systempuntoout I don't like soccer. Or sports games.

Ivo Flipse

ah well, I'll just play some SC2 and take my fury out on some zerg

systempuntoout

loved it

badp

Speaking of soccer, don't check your TV right now @systempuntoout

I mean, it shouldn't be a surprise but

(bbl dinner)

systempuntoout

ouch

badp

7:02 PM

@Macha Is that an order?

Macha

@badp coughs Umm, is what an order?

Arda Xi

@Macha This. :)

Macha

Damn this History feature.

Arda Xi

Now we only need to be able to edit each-other's messages. Edit by Ivo: like so?!?

And upvote them for rep of course.

Ivo Flipse

who feels like tag-teaming SC2?

systempuntoout

7:06 PM

I'm on Osx :(

LessPop_MoreFizz

SC2 runs on OS X?

systempuntoout

don't know, probably not

LessPop_MoreFizz

It does.

OS X version came out day and date with the Windows version, and even comes in the same box.

systempuntoout

really, link?

LessPop_MoreFizz

us.battle.net/sc2/en

systempuntoout

7:13 PM

tnx

LessPop_MoreFizz

Blizzard has always been really awesome about Macs

systempuntoout

:)

LessPop_MoreFizz

Time to see if Apple.SE is up to snuff on the knowledge front now...

or if it's just people circlejerking various mac Software-rec threads

alexanderpas

apple is not only mac, I believe mac is not even the biggest part of apple anymore.

Arda Xi

@alexanderpas What else does Apple do?

LessPop_MoreFizz

7:22 PM

@ArdaXi iPod/iPhone/iPad.

alexanderpas

@ArdaXi iPhone iPod iPad iTunes.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ArdaXi Mac is about 45% of Apples revenue last I looked.

Arda Xi

@LessPop_MoreFizz I meant other than Mac

iPod/iPhone run Mac OS X

albeit a modified version

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ArdaXi But they aren't 'Macs'. Also, only iPod Touch runs OS X.

Arda Xi

@LessPop_MoreFizz iPod Touch runs the same OS as the iPhone?

alexanderpas

7:23 PM

@ArdaXi wrong, they run iOS, which can't even multitask.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ArdaXi yes. But iPod Nano, Classic, and Shuffle don't.

Arda Xi

@alexanderpas It can, and iOS is a modified version of OS X

LessPop_MoreFizz

@alexanderpas iOS which is a fork of OS X in fairness. But not Mac OS X which is distinct.

alexanderpas

@LessPop_MoreFizz iOS started as a fork, but we're now already at version 4.

Arda Xi

@alexanderpas So after a certain version number something ceases to be based off of something it still has most of the code of?

badp

7:25 PM

I'd love to give OSX a try, it's the bundled Mac I don't really like.

Arda Xi

@badp Same here.

alexanderpas

@ArdaXi only the latest version can, and only with a subset of apps, multitasking support was one of the great features of iOS 4.

@badp mac mini can always be repurposed as a server.

at least certain steam games run on mac.

badp

@alexanderpas That means I can have a Mac PC without OSX, while I'd love to try OSX without a Mac PC.

alexanderpas

@badp ... after you've tried OSX.

also ... hackintosh.

badp

Isn't driver support for hackinstosh a... problem?

LessPop_MoreFizz

7:30 PM

@badp it can be. Careful part research helps a lot.

But unsupported is as unsupported does.

oh hay, I'm still credited on the Duke Nukem List

nifty

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz If I had to build my own Mac-compatible PC... I might as well buy a Mac PC.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Well yeah, but personally, I hardly see that as a problem. I use Macs as much for the hardware as for OS X

alexanderpas

a mac compatible PC should be cheaper... except when you take the mac mini in account.

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz I hate Mac keyboards, from what I've seen and read

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Any USB keyboard works fine?

badp

7:36 PM

Sure, what do I press to have the Command key?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp Windows Key maps to it by default.

badp

Does the Apple key do anything at all then?

LessPop_MoreFizz

Apple Key is Command Key

different name for same thing.

alexanderpas

I hate windows keyboards because of the microsoft tax on it.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Newer keyboards don't even have the apple logo on the key because it used to confuse people.

badp

7:37 PM

@alexanderpas I actually think we save money on keyboards (not sure)

I mean. Who needs PrtScreen when you can have F20.

alexanderpas

no... the new windows key have additional costs compared to a normal key.

Windows key

The Windows key - also known as the Super key, Meta key, Windows logo key, the WinKey, the Start key, MOD4, or rarely the Flag key - is a keyboard key which was originally introduced on the Microsoft Natural Keyboard before the release of Windows 95. This key became a standard key on PC keyboards since the release of the Windows 95 operating system. On keyboards lacking a Windows key, can instead be used in Windows, though some functionality is lacking. Historically, the addition of two Windows keys and a menu key marked the change from the 101/102-key to 104/105-key layout for PC keyboa...

read the licensing part.

badp

erm, so?

You mean the cost of having the sunken edge thing?

It's plastic, changes are producing it is minimally more expensive than the rest, asymptotically speaking.

alexanderpas

don't forget the change of manufacuring method to actually make the sunken key.

and the microsoft enforced change of the logo on a specific date.

just give me the space-cadet keyboard ;)

Space-cadet keyboard

The space-cadet keyboard is a keyboard used on MIT Lisp machines and designed by Tom Knight, which inspired several still-current jargon terms in the field of computer science and influenced the design of Emacs. It was inspired by the Knight keyboard (also developed by Tom Knight), which was developed for the Knight TV system, used with MIT's Incompatible Timesharing System. Description This device was equipped with no fewer than seven modifier keys: four keys for bucky bits ("control", "meta", "hyper", and "super"; the latter two of which were introduced by this keyboard ) and three sh...

C. Ross

Vote to Close: Off Topic ;-)

badp

8:11 PM

I hate this challenge. I hate this challenge. I hate this challenge. I hate this challenge. I hate this challenge. I hate this challenge. I hate this challenge.

alexanderpas

@badp ?

badp

Same old pursuit challenge where you have to get the AI to deploy six spikelines, avoid them all and then evade in 10 minutes at heat 4 with a heat 1 cop car

This time I got to five out of six. Then a Rhino unit breathed on me and I crashed into a tree five seconds after reinforcements arrived and 20 corvettes could simply spawn nearby and hug me

(as if, it's sufficient to go into gear 1 to be busted with that junk car.)

AI cheating at its finest.

Gaming

8:25 PM

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Q: What is the speed of ladder matches in StarCraft II?

Question is clear enough I guess. Thanks!

starcraft-2

badp

In other "news"

Duke Nukem Forever is a video game that you can play in 2011! #dnf #dukenukemforever http://twitpic.com/2kw2a2 http://twitpic.com/2kw1zg

Tweeted by 2KGames on September 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM

There's a long series of screenies on 2KGames' twitter account.

Except I was completely sure DNF was a 3D Realms product... :D

Mana

2000 questions!!!

admittedly I'm pretty late

but, yay

badp

Oh, right, through Take 2.

I mean, "right".

alexanderpas

Duke Nukem Forever

Duke Nukem Forever is a first-person shooter video game in development by Gearbox Software, and a sequel to the 1996 game Duke Nukem 3D, as part of the long-running Duke Nukem video game series. Intended to be groundbreaking, it has become infamous for its severely-protracted development schedule; the game has been in development since 1997 by 3DRealms and led by director George Broussard, one of the creators of the original Duke Nukem game. The game went through numerous changes and legal issues before the studio was downsized and development switched to Gearbox Software. Development on...

"Duke Nukem: Forever, the longest game ever in production"

also: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/748-Duke-Nukem-Forever

that was fast...

badp

8:46 PM

:P

►

Arda Xi

9:13 PM

Hmm, did I say I hate it when people put zero effort in their questions?

Gaming

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Q: Where can I find the BC heroic keys?

title says all, I hope.

world-of-warcraft

LessPop_MoreFizz

On the one hand, I don't want to answer a question with "title says it all" on the other hand, I can answer it quickly and easily.

badp

Hey close police

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Q: Duke Nukem Forever?

I heard they are going to release it really soon? But seriously, are there any updates about the development of this game?

first-person-shooter game-development game-releases vaporware duke-nukem

needs more love ×2

Gaming

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Q: Do you think Zerg is weak in Starcraft 2?

I think the Zerg are relatively weak compared to the other two races. Zerg seems to have a really good early game and the possiblity of having a great end game, but the mid game just isn't there yet. Terran and Protoss players have a much better arsenal when dealing with mid-game Zerg units. W...