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00:56

@M.A.R. woof?

@cocomac now in theory you can realise most of the deleted stuff isn't worth reading :D

Journeyman Geek

04:28

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Shadow The GPT Wizard

06:30

@cocomac kudos!

Journeyman Geek

06:45

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08:35

@M.A.R. Just start another strike.

Or wait for another blog post from the CEO.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

Yeah drama has side effect of lots of people getting lots of rep on MSE. ;)

New conspiracy theory: true goal of the strike was actually to gain rep, i.e. one gigantic voting ring

:D

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Experiment failed: can't bring the reputation to Codidact.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

09:01

:(

Tinkeringbell

How long does moving to Codidact actually take?

Shadow The GPT Wizard

6-8

But I'm GPT for way too long, wanted to replace few days ago but...

stuck in limbo

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09:24

@Tinkeringbell You sound like you wanna get rid of me. ;)

Tinkeringbell

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact Nah, just curious :P

There's this Dutch saying 'van uitstel komt afstel' (postponing causes cancelling), wondering if that applies here ;)

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@Tinkeringbell The enlightenment of @curious is needed.

@Tinkeringbell Please ban me from SOCVR, thank you.

Tinkeringbell

I have no power there ;)

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I'm just generally slow at all kinds of stuff. Nothing special about CD/SE.

I've been looking at hats, though.

Was thinking I should get a new look. Something similar to the suits/coats and hats from the 1920s.

But it's so expensive.

Maybe I can sell some reputation points... No, that doesn't work either.

SPArcheon

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact go back a little more, add some accessory too...

Then you can try to get some money back at a Steampunk cosplay context...

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09:31

@SPArcheon Nah, that's a bit too old-fashioned.

@SPArcheon Well, that's a good idea, but unless I have the craftsmanship skills myself, I'll probably be stuck with something low quality stuff.

Oh, and not like cosplaying is big around here.

Tinkeringbell

Looks like a lot of bother getting dressed.

Lots of layers.

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1911, bottom-left double 1915, and 1919 are fine. The rest not so much.

@Tinkeringbell Of pockets?

Tinkeringbell

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact Sure. But what do you need that many pockets for these days? Just one that fits a phone (and perhaps 2/3 cards) is enough :P

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@Tinkeringbell Trust me, they're needed. I brought 2 t-shirts, a phone charger, cable, phone, keys, brush, passport, underwear and socks in my pockets on the plane last Thursday. Same thing later today.

Tinkeringbell

Some of us have spending money and can splurge on extra luggage room :P

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09:40

@Tinkeringbell That's expensive. It would've costed me an extra 500 NOK to get an allowed increase in size of my hand luggage.

Tinkeringbell

It sounds much less shocking if you put it in euro's :P Not even 45 :P

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@Tinkeringbell It's expensive!

Tinkeringbell

I know, I wouldn't pay it either if I didn't have to :)

(I don't fly, so I avoid that dilemma alltogether :P)

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@Tinkeringbell I could've taken the train. Just the train ride itself would take 16 hours. Flying is 45-55 minutes in the air.

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, I know flying is often the best (fastest) option. I just don't travel long enough distances ;)

I take my car instead of trains because it's faster, it's not like I'm super environmentally friendly or anything.

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09:43

Car ride would've been 10-11 hours. Can't remember if that includes charging stops.

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09:54

@Tinkeringbell So what should one wear?

Tinkeringbell

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact underwear, pants and a hoodie/longsleeve/t-shirt (depending on weather)? :P

Oh, and socks I guess if you get cold feet easily

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Sounds boring.

Needs colours, at least.

And why not shorts?

Tinkeringbell

shorts are a form of pants?

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Not specific enough.

Eek. I made a mistake.

Tinkeringbell

Eh, catwalk/(semi-)celebrities doesn't count :P Find something that was truly worn by regular people :P

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10:07

I went to school with a guy that one day showed up in boxer shorts, bathrobes and slippers.

Tinkeringbell

I remember when I was in primary school this one girl showed up in a way too small summer dress in the middle of winter. Teacher had her wear her winter jacket for the morning and told her to come back dressed appropriately for the temperature in the afternoon... I'm still not completely sure why her parents didn't think to stop her in the morning (she was dropped off every morning by her mother, just as I was, ours had a habit of talking together too much when picking us up, boring us)

VLAZ

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact I expected worse from that search. I mean, lots of results that are bad. But also not all of them. Some are just so-so. And/or look out of place on a high-end model on a catwalk. Yet in real life won't be as jarring.

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@VLAZ This one's fine.

@Tinkeringbell Teaching by experience.

Tinkeringbell

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact Well, I hope the lesson "You're ridiculous" was learned.

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;D

VLAZ

10:18

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact Looks super comfy. Also, if you slip and fall in the winter, it probably feels like landing on a pillow.

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@VLAZ Do you think males can wear that too?

Journeyman Geek

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact Sure

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Yay

SPArcheon

10:33

@Tinkeringbell You would be surprised by the sheer amount of high school students that you can see go to school wearing short shirts in winter here.

Tinkeringbell

@SPArcheon I wouldn't. That's high school, not primary school

SPArcheon

@Tinkeringbell true, but that is also 2° on average with windy days that can easily reach 100-120km/h.

Tinkeringbell

Still. The thing about the primary school was that this was really at an age where kids don't dress themselves. If your mom is still picking your clothes by the time you're in high school, something is probably wrong.

SPArcheon

Agree on that, I wasn't really commenting on how appropriate the dress is or how stupid the parent was, I was more thinking about the "why do you want to freeze" part

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@SPArcheon I wear shorts and t-shirts in -10.

Tinkeringbell

10:38

I could do that too, as long as inside it's >23 degrees XD

SPArcheon

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact also known as Lara Croft, Tibet, Tomb Raider 2.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact you could just wear the underwear, ya know. :D

Save some pocket space for other things. ;)

SPArcheon

(hated how objectified the character was, and the gameplay wasn't any better to be fair)

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@SPArcheon That's me.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact lovely!

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact hi Lara!

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact and was banned from school?

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10:43

@ShadowTheGPTWizard No?

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@Tinkeringbell picking no, but my mother bought everything for me, including underwear, until I moved out of the house at age of 21-22. :D

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact well I would justify such a ban. Not permanent, just take the day off, and return when you can dress normally. And there should be some official dress code, here we have in most schools, probably all. (I mean something written, not just common sense.)

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@ShadowTheGPTWizard No, he was at school for the rest of the day. Sat in the classroom during the classes.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

It's part of discipline IMO.

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We don't have dress codes here.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact so there can be whole class wearing only bikini? moving to @Andreas place

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10:47

@ShadowTheGPTWizard Pretty much.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

Well that's just part of the general discipline, same as requiring the students to behave nice towards teachers.

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Can we also require that teachers behave nice towards students? Thank you.

Journeyman Geek

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact Yes

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact eye for an eye! ;)

!!/wear proper clothes for school

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheGPTWizard No such command 'wear'.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

10:50

:(

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@JourneymanGeek Why?

Journeyman Geek

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Opinion invalidated

SPArcheon

@JourneymanGeek this seems to miss something, and I bet you know what....

It is almost like it would look better with another font...

Journeyman Geek

Do I?

SPArcheon

10:52

> 𝕴 𝔇𝔒𝔗𝕳 𝔑𝔒𝔗 𝔑𝔈𝔈𝔇𝔈𝔇 𝔗𝔒 𝔈𝔛𝔓𝔏𝔄𝕴𝔑 𝔐𝔜𝔖𝔈𝔏𝔉 𝔗𝔒 𝔗𝕳𝔈𝔈! 𝔐𝔜 𝔚𝔄𝔜𝔖 𝔄𝕽𝔈 𝕴𝔑𝔈𝔉𝔉𝔄𝔅𝔏𝔈!

So beautiful :P

Shadow The GPT Wizard

Ah, the "you must work very hard to understand it" font!

Journeyman Geek

Readable and annoying.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

star wall! It's bigger!

Journeyman Geek

lol

IT IS FULLER OF STARS!

curious

@ShadowTheGPTWizard that's probably good to improve retention :)

I hope you're safe btw

Journeyman Geek

10:54

@curious It literally hurts my brain

Shadow The GPT Wizard

Should I report the bug?

Overlapping when text (?) too big

curious

I'm kinda digging the typographic experiments ^_^

Journeyman Geek

lol

@curious I think I told @SPArcheon I can't read fractur

curious

It fractures your brain?

Journeyman Geek

It literally triggers off every dyslexic reading difficulty at once

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10:56

@curious cThe research methodology is flawed.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@curious hehe, yeah, as safe as possible around here these days. Thanks!

Journeyman Geek

I was actually going to do smallcaps but... amusingly this is worse in every way and more readable

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@JourneymanGeek now do it with ☺ and ☻ instead. ;)

SPArcheon

@JourneymanGeek that was the big mistake :P

Journeyman Geek

@SPArcheon its a sure way for me to ignore it.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

10:59

hmm just thought of something. If size doesn't matter, how come a big mistake is worse than ordinary or small mistake? wondering

:-D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheGPTWizard dropping a feather, small mistake. Dropping a 2 ton block of iron on your foot...

Its still gravity

Shadow The GPT Wizard

lol

VLAZ

@JourneymanGeek So, it's not the size that matters. It's the mass and thus the inertia.

Journeyman Geek

Its the transfer of energy

Shadow The GPT Wizard

Back to fixing that monthly report now, it won't fix itself, sadly. :(

Journeyman Geek

11:01

a feather at relatavistic speeds WILL ruin your day

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It's the presentation that matters.

SPArcheon

Journeyman Geek

I like that font

SPArcheon

Feeds

11:20

stackoverflow.blog/2023/10/16/…

Journeyman Geek

@Feeds uhm

> As we finish this fiscal year and move into the next, we are focused on investing in our product. As such, we are significantly reducing the size of our go-to-market organization while we do so. Supporting teams and other teams across the organization are impacted as well. As I mentioned, our focus for this fiscal year and into the next is profitability and that, along with macroeconomic pressures led to today’s changes.

So they're investing in the company by... downsizing? :/

Tinkeringbell

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Q: Community notice: October 2023 layoff announcement

I’d like to call your attention to today’s blog post from Prashanth. Unfortunately, we’ve made the difficult decision to reduce our headcount by roughly 28%. There are more details at the blog, and I will be back later today with another post to answer some questions and provide you with more de...

I guess (I hope) there'll be some less corporate speak there later.

Journeyman Geek

Actually - that's fairly clear compared to other things. Just not news that anyone ever wants to hear.

curious

28%!

Tinkeringbell

@curious Yeah, that's a lot in this case.

Philippe

11:30

Yeah. Today is gonna suck.

curious

@Philippe I want to say good morning but that doesn't seem appropriate

Journeyman Geek

@Philippe ugh

Philippe

Thanks, curious. Salutations maybe :)

Hey @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

(which is probably appropriate considering the cirumstances)

@Philippe lo

Philippe

Yeah, i've definitely had better days. I've had worse ones too though.

Journeyman Geek

11:33

These sorts of events are never easy - I don't know how bad or where the damage is but ... its sucky

Philippe

That's pretty much it, yeah.

Journeyman Geek

@Philippe I've been through one, and its probably the worst experience I've had

SPArcheon

@Tinkeringbell Good Grief. HOW MANY are left now?

Philippe

I got cut in one at an earlier company in my career. It sucks.

I've been on this side of a couple of them now, and that sucks too.

Tinkeringbell

@SPArcheon Sounds like you're asking the wrong person :)

Journeyman Geek

11:35

@SPArcheon Its probably worth waiting for the dust to settle - and frankly it sucks for nearly everyone

Philippe

^^ what JG said

SPArcheon

@Tinkeringbell rhetoric question, wanted to imply that the answer is "too few"

Journeyman Geek

@SPArcheon In a sense it always is

Shadow The GPT Wizard

13:01

28% redaction of Stack Exchange workforce.

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RO's, feel free to pin ^ (and remove the star from the message below it in starwall which take away focus)

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek no tetris in this chat

@SPArcheon no Elvish in this chat

Shadow The GPT Wizard

Elvis is an alien and did not speak Elvish.

M.A.R.

It seems like we need lots of ground rules

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheGPTWizard done

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@JourneymanGeek half, the message isn't pinned yet. But thanks for nuking the star! ;)

M.A.R.

13:05

What do you mean done

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@M.A.R. well

ham-bur-ger

M.A.R.

@ShadowTheGPTWizard ell

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@M.A.R. Euler Lonely Lament?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheGPTWizard I disagree with the naming of it, but pinned

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@JourneymanGeek feel free to edit, that's just what I had from the top of my head.

Just want it to be visible. :)

Or more accurate... :(

I wonder how they reached that exact number, 28%.

Tinkeringbell

13:09

It's not an exact number. It's an approximate number according to the blog post.

Which means there's probably some rounding of numbers involved

SPArcheon

@M.A.R. んちゃ!

M.A.R.

@SPArcheon thanks! h5p to you too

SPArcheon

M.A.R.

E = mc2

SPArcheon

13:49

@M.A.R. Senku Ishigami, is that you?

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@Tinkeringbell so they could use.... 30%?

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Example = mission critical twice.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheGPTWizard Sure but that is probably less accurate rounding.

Just assume now that it can be anything bigger than 27.5 and smaller than 28.5 percent ;)

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@Tinkeringbell well "about 30%" would make more sense.

Tinkeringbell

Eh, depends on who you ask :P

Shadow The GPT Wizard

13:59

Dunno, using exact number just give the feeling it's more technical.

Journeyman Geek

It also kinda means its an exact number and its bigger looking than 28

Feeds

stackoverflow.blog/2023/10/16/…

SPArcheon

@Feeds why does the company continue to publish these articles on the same days they are going thru far more concerning changes?

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14:18

@SPArcheon It’s probably due to their wasted AI endeavours, too.

Kevin B

because one hand doesn't know what the other is doing

Journeyman Geek

cause they're probably written ahead of time, and queued up

and the system's not designed to handle bad news

Kevin B

(it's also just another cheap excuse to advertise SOfT)

M.A.R.

14:42

@SPArcheon no that's my evil cousin

Catija

14:55

Farewell, y'all.

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Kevin B

...

Tinkeringbell

@Catija :(

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@Catija :(

Tinkeringbell

Best of luck to you!

DavidPostill

@Catija We will sorely miss you

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14:59

@Catija Well, welcome back to the team! Now you’re one of us again.

Catija

... I mean, me not being "one of y'all" kinda hurts.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija You're always one of us

the company can screw itself honestly

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@JourneymanGeek looks like it's doing this already.

Kicking out the best of their people? Can't do worse.

Catija

Hey, one upside... I can finally get rid of all of those slack threads.

Tinkeringbell

Close some tabs, maybe, too? :P

Catija

15:04

So many tabs I can't get into now... Blue Room, TL... Mod team rooms. SO Internal.

Journeyman Geek

:/

Catija

Might as well just quit Chrome and start from scratch at this point.

Tinkeringbell

:(

Or re-claim some pre-CM diamonds (at least that'd get you back in the TL :) )

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@Catija Neh. You’re much more one of us now. ;) You’re no longer bound to the other party, and now you’re equal to all the rest here.

Catija

517 tabs... let's see what I can get down to.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

15:05

@Catija the Rise of a New Browser? ;)

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@ShadowTheGPTWizard But hey! Kick everyone that invests in humans, and retain everyone that invests in AI. What could possibly go wrong?

Catija

Hey, I'll get plenty of time to prep for Gus's Birthday party on Sunday.

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Only 517?

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@Catija he'll be thrilled! :D

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact beep

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517 tabs, one for each Birthday present you ordered?

Shadow The GPT Wizard

15:08

lol

Probably every chat room she took part in, pending flags, tickets, etc.

Machavity

@Catija SOCVR is one place you can get to. And we added you to the former SO mod room

Catija

Down to 309

Shadow The GPT Wizard

you're fast

Bryan Krause

@Catija :( Thanks for everything you've done here, it won't be the same. Hope your next role (post-birthday party) is a great fit for you

Catija

I mean, it's whole windows at once, so easy enough.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

15:11

@Catija will it be appropriate to write you a farewell post? Are you planning to write one yourself, e.g. like Jon?

Catija

Who knows. At this point I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I'm in the vindictive and petty phase.

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@Machavity Thanks.

Machavity

@ShadowTheGPTWizard There will be one, come hell or high water. I'm just trying to give other employees an opportunity first

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@Catija well you can always contact me in private on Discord, it's just yahavbr there. I don't like that platform, but using it to keep in touch with people. I promise I don't bite, and good listener. Anyway, sure you'll do great wherever you go.

Catija

I guess I can stop pretending to not be me on Discord, too, then.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

?

Sign of drama #74: lots of people coming here. ;)

!!/popcorn everyone

SmokeDetector

15:14

@ShadowTheGPTWizard No such command 'popcorn'.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

:(

@Machavity thanks, I'm ready to read it. Let us know once it's done. :)

SPArcheon

@ShadowTheGPTWizard Sign of danger #75. The words "strike", "should" and "we" are mentioned again, not in this order.

Catija

@ShadowTheGPTWizard I've been in the Meta Discord, just not as my actual account.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@SPArcheon Strike Strikes Again?

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Is it time to revisit the conclusion that the strike demands were met, now?

Shadow The GPT Wizard

15:18

@Catija hah. Well, I wasn't there so can't know. But yeah, if your goal was to be there as regular user and not as part of SE, you didn't have much choice, I guess.

Catija

No, my goal, honestly, was to not have Monica attacking me any more, which was why I left in the first place.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact how so? Don't think "don't lay off 28% of your employees" were part of this. :/

Rand al'Thor

@Catija Not sure where else I can find you, so just came to say :'(

VLAZ

@ShadowTheGPTWizard Nor do I think "don't lay off x% of your employees" would really be a valid strike demand for any value of x.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@Catija I don't understand that, guess I'm missing a lot of context.

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15:20

@ShadowTheGPTWizard I don’t think the months following the end of the strike, have shown an interest from the company in following through on their promises, and the firing of prominent CMs doesn’t resolve them either.

Machavity

@ShadowTheGPTWizard I don't think this will lead to a strike. I think lots of folks are going to resign

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@Catija Huh? What?

Catija

@Randal'Thor Hey Rand. :)

Bryan Krause

@ShadowTheGPTWizard Summary: Monica decided to take all her residual anger at the company out on Cat, because she was present and associated with the company.

Catija

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact I left the Meta server because Monica was attacking me. She got a slap on the wrist and I left.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

15:21

@Machavity well, in theory, we can ~~demand~~ ask to bring back at least some of those who were laid off. But yeah, it's pointless to ask, and won't happen.

Catija

Down to 79 tabs

Tinkeringbell

Darn.

Catija

HA. I don't think I want to be forced to be rehired, so please don't take that stance for me.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@Catija you keep closing while chatting here?! wow, that's super mutli tasking. :D

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That sounds strange, to me. I probably shouldn’t encourage more discussion around a topic so personal, but I’m genuinely very curious about that.
I only joined Discord for the first time in my life, in June, because of the strike, so I don’t know anything about this.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

15:22

@Catija yeah, it's to undo the layoff, not re-hire, also why it can't just happen.

Bryan Krause

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact I'm sure you can search the history on discord if you're curious. I don't know why it's surprising

Rand al'Thor

@Catija Sorry to hear the news. Hope you'll be able to enjoy the birthday party and find something new and fun soon. And hey, I'm sure IPS and/or A&C would be happy to re-diamond you if you still want to hang out in TL :-)

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Shadow The GPT Wizard

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact well, that's just a "meh" for me, don't really care about the original strike demands at this point. Personally.

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@BryanKrause Yeah, I’ll probably do some basic searches once I get back to the browser with Discord in, after the delayed plane later today. Thanks for the suggestion. The transcript over there is huge, though.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@BryanKrause when did it happen?

Mast

15:26

@Catija Sorry to see you go. I think you were important in the moderator <-> team dynamic.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact well let's hope it has decent search at least.

Bryan Krause

@ShadowTheGPTWizard I don't know. During the strike.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@BryanKrause oh, thought that before. Thanks!

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@ShadowTheGPTWizard There’s not really any hope left, no.

@BryanKrause Oh, I missed this. Thanks for the context.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact probably

Mithical

15:30

@BryanKrause No, years before that.

Bryan Krause

@Mithical Oh, was it? My bad memory conflating them then

terdon

@Catija And that's exactly where you should be. Holy crap in a basket, Cat, this is horrible. And insanely dumb, to boot. I am so sorry :(

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@Mithical oh. So during the strike she was already with a new identity?

terdon

@Catija Bull. You will never not be one of us.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija eh, its the more general attitude of the company

which is clearly terrible

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact with a place like this, people tend to be... a little too passionate and angry

Catija

15:39

@terdon Probably why I was in the line of fire.

Bryan Krause

:(

Journeyman Geek

@Catija heh, cause they're idiots

VLAZ

@terdon one of us...

SPArcheon

have to check something...

terdon

@Catija yes, both you an V2Blast. The though had occurred to me.

Andreas is moving to Codidact

15:41

@JourneymanGeek mhm?

Undo

@Catija Best real-world advice - close the laptop, go for a walk, and enjoy having an entire thing off your plate. You'll find something else for work soon, but only a couple times in your life do you get to go from an extremely stressful job to not.

terdon

Damn. Aren't you still too young to be coming up with such sage advice? :P

But yeah, what Undo said!

Undo

I might be waaaaay overcommitted right now and am somewhat jealous

Andreas is moving to Codidact

Ah. V2Blast was also fired.

Catija

@Undo I appreciate the advice. I really do. I just... also don't really think y'all understand that I have more friends amongst y'all than I do in person.

Tinkeringbell

15:43

@Undo Eh, it's pretty hard to be petty and vindictive when you're all alone hiking through woods or whatever :P

Mithical

@terdon terdon being ageist again...

Shadow The GPT Wizard

So based on the official edit to the CM's list, "only" two were removed. The two that happened to be the most active. At least in their visible actions and here in chat.

Bryan Krause

@AndreasismovingtoCodidact Laid off.

terdon

@Catija And there is no reason why you should leave them behind. You still own your account and you're still way more than welcome on the sites.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@BryanKrause what's the difference?

terdon

15:44

@Mithical :P

Rand al'Thor

@Catija Yeah, I was about to say, @Undo don't you know she likes hanging out with us, she wasn't just doing it for work :-)

Kevin B

@ShadowTheGPTWizard the legalities and results of it

Machavity

@Catija You're not alone there

Catija

Maybe I'll finally get to try out the Routes feature in Pokemon Go now that it's both cool and I have time.

Undo

@Randal'Thor now she gets to do it without the insane inbox

Bryan Krause

15:45

@ShadowTheGPTWizard workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/93905/… Fired is when you're a bad employee. Laid off is when you have a bad employer.

Catija

I do need to rush my edits now, though. FFS.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@KevinB well, but both mean "no longer works in the company, and without wanting to go away".

VLAZ

@ShadowTheGPTWizard "fired" is worse, implies they were in the wrong. But also it's something that can be legally fought. "Laid off" is neutral. It doesn't imply the employee was in the wrong when they were let go.

Kevin B

tldr fired makes it sound like catija did something that warranted beign fired

Journeyman Geek

I'd note we have a tradition of farewell posts

Shadow The GPT Wizard

15:46

@VLAZ oh, this makes more sense. In Hebrew there's no such distinction. I think.

Rand al'Thor

@Mithical You know older people tend to be more ageist :-P (hey, this is meta, right?!)

Bryan Krause

@VLAZ Pretty unusual in the US that it can be legally fought, unless you're showing it was based on discrimination of a protected group, or if there's a contest over deserved severance (one reason many companies just pay the severance even if they don't have to)

VLAZ

@BryanKrause I mean there is a possibility. If you're fired for some reason and you can then show that reason didn't apply. But you can't really legally fight downsizing of the company.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@BryanKrause suppose it's because of bad stats, but you can prove the stats are actually good?

holding breath while clicking @balpha's avatar

SPArcheon

@ShadowTheGPTWizard I am more concerned about the fact that both dared to allude to the fact they weren't happy with some choices quite recently.

balpha

15:49

I'm still here

Shadow The GPT Wizard

yay! I see diamond.

Bryan Krause

@VLAZ You could if the downsizing specifically targeted people who are of a protected class, same as firing.

balpha

it's ... emptier though

Bryan Krause

@ShadowTheGPTWizard I don't follow

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@balpha well, in Hebrew it's "חצי נחמה", not sure how to translate it. Cheers!

@balpha the diamond? Yep. Smaller, somehow. As if being sad.

balpha

15:49

google translate says "half consolation"

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@balpha huh. Yes, that's pretty much it.

@BryanKrause I talk in the general case, e.g. employers say the employee worked only 5 hours every day instead of 8, but then the employee brings proof they actually worked 8 hours. (after being fired)

Bryan Krause

@ShadowTheGPTWizard Ah, I see; no, in the US in most places, you do not need to give a reason to fire someone. And if you do, the reasons given can be sufficiently broad that they're not really contestable, unlike other places where there are strict, narrow reasons allowable for firing

V2Blast

Hi, folks

20

terdon

Hey, @V2Blast! This... really sucks :(

V2Blast

@terdon Agreed.

terdon

15:54

Were y'all given any warning, any compensation package, any kind of human treatment at all?

Bryan Krause

@V2Blast I'll echo what I said to Catija: thanks for all you've done here, it won't be the same going forward

9

V2Blast

@BryanKrause Thanks <3

Kevin B

oh yeah, i forgot, the community-a-thon kicked off 3 days ago

Rand al'Thor

@KevinB Wow, talk about ironic timing :-/

SPArcheon

@terdon I think you too were missing two words. "shog9" and "fundriser"

Kevin B

15:56

on friday the 13th

V2Blast

@KevinB Yeah. It sucks because I was helping Rosie put that together too – I was hoping to see that through. (Rosie was not involved in the decision of who to lay off, to my understanding.)

Kevin B

i haven't generally viewed those as positive, tbh

terdon

@SPArcheon hmm?

V2Blast

@SPArcheon I don't think I alluded to anything of the sort...

Rand al'Thor

@V2Blast Hard to believe it's over - feels like only yesterday that you bounced into TL full of verve for your new position.

terdon

15:57

Yeah. I remember that, it was really endearing :)

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@BryanKrause pity.

SPArcheon

@Randal'Thor [redacted] timing? It would be Ironic the first time, maybe the second. By the 10 it becomes deliberate.

balpha

@V2Blast You did a great job, too. You really conveyed your excitement for everyone to participate on SE

Rand al'Thor

@balpha I bet!

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@KevinB it did? Or should have been? Didn't notice anything on MSE.

Andreas is moving to Codidact

15:58

@KevinB Not enough genAI implants.

Kevin B

@ShadowTheGPTWizard did, supposedly?

but there was no post or update marking the beginning that i know of

V2Blast

@balpha Heh, thanks. I think folks' enthusiasm will be muted by today's events, but I am hopeful that Community-a-thon (or something like it) continues to be a thing going forward.

Shadow The GPT Wizard

@V2Blast this makes one wonder about the date, what's SO urgent? Why not wait, e.g. to end of month? SE won't fall for that.

terdon

Glad to see you're still around, @balpha. We need some familiar faces :(

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