@V2Blast hmm meta.stackexchange.com/questions/380902/… I was hoping it was literally an non profit ISP run by a bunch of random folks to be honest :D

@JourneymanGeek I've read that post several times and still struggled to understand it. I think I finally got an inkling of what it's about after the more recent comments, but I feel like it definitely needs some cleanup by the community to help clarify what it's trying to say.

"an non profit ISP run by a bunch of random folks" would be interesting, though :P

@V2Blast Its... a thing in some places

(small american towns - someone gets fed up with their options, leases fiber as far as it'll go and runs a WISP)

(I neither confirm nor deny thinking of running a pirate ISP Out of my future apartment for fun)

there's even a wiki for it

I can't confirm the issue, but I guess it needs a TL;DR, like: "WebSocket fails to load after failing to load blocked resources (e.g. e.g. due to corporate firewall) "?

I don't know why it takes so long trying to resolve them before failing though...

Because my previous company also completely blocked Imgur, but they just failed to load instantly without needing to wait

also, why its connecting to facebook

But that's as good an error report one can give, language barriers aside

@V2Blast I almost said "Non profit ISP run by random anarchists..."

@JourneymanGeek other users' profile picture registering using Facebook account?

@MetaAndrewT. possibly!

it's shown on the last screenshot for David's (not OP's) prof pic

Which leads to "could this fail more gracefully?" :D

yeah, I guess that's the difficult part, whether the issue is on the OP's firewall config (why try to load for long time instead of fail instantly) or the SE (load profile pictures the last so that most functions should work)

@Catija out of stock :(

This faq is a mess, @Sonic do you think it's worth to re-write it in the standard format? (e.g. like this one, where there is single answer with all topics)

It's too big of a change for me, but you made such changes before already.

@ShadowTheKidWizard I'm going to abstain here. While I agree it's a bit of a mess due to the split answers, I think the benefit of being able to link to specific sections here outweighs that drawback.

As an example, I frequently link to the first answer when someone complains about their question getting closed as a duplicate of a more general (usually FAQ) question.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog ok, you're the expert in this. :)

@ShadowTheKidWizard In addition, I don't believe that answer is a good place to put the section on naming: it's meant to cover user behaviors and how they're different from other Stack Exchange sites or places on the Internet. I'd say it belongs in a new answer, if anything.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog yeah, thought about that too but used to single answer format so didn't feel right to do it. Also, would get buried down the list...

@ShadowTheKidWizard Doesn't preclude you from linking to that answer directly

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog done.

something something we shouldn't need to tell people we don't belong to meta something something

._.

@JourneymanGeek shouldn't tell we don't belong to Facebook? Why?

Its obvious lol

that we don't

but we do .-.

@JourneymanGeek nope, not at all.

It's obvious to you, to me, sure.

Cause apparently multibilliondollar corporations have no imagination

Someone totally new to Stack Exchange has no way to know such thing.

They see "Meta", they know "Meta" is the company that was once Facebook, and that's it.

Yes

For them it's the same company. So now with easy search they can learn otherwise. :)

grumble

I'm actually surprised we don't have influx of questions on MSE asking for Facebook support.

Well cause people find SO first

hmm

Well in all my test searches about stuff related to meta/facebook, Facebook itself is the first result.

@Tink any improvement with the Smoking Neighbor? Did he go to work today perhaps, giving you real vacation time? :)

flag-pls spam pets.stackexchange.com/questions/36894/…

flag-pls possibly spam, definitely off-topic interpersonal.stackexchange.com/a/27902

flag-pls ditto cooking.stackexchange.com/a/121232

@tripleee kaboom (I've cast the final flag)

@tripleee already gone

yeh, only the pets one is still still up

@tripleee yep, flagged.

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@curious k

Would be better if the "messages moved" would be actual "chat banner" like the "1 hour later" saying something like "[user] moved [x] messages to [destination]".

As actual chat message it's both not very elegant, and let us do weird stuff like editing or deleting it.

spammer gone

@ShadowTheKidWizard if there's work on chat that seems like good idea

@JourneymanGeek sounds like something @balpha can do with eyes closed..... ;)

WAit

@Bart that's really you?! Or am I dreaming?

@ShadowTheKidWizard if they let him :D

:D

!!/coffee Bart make it super strong to help with migraines

@ShadowTheKidWizard brews a cup of Americano for @Bart

@ShadowTheKidWizard and that's somewhere below "add chat and meta to the sidebar" and "Hire me already" on my wishlist

@JourneymanGeek sidebar? You mean on the question list, above or below HNQ?

@ShadowTheKidWizard the left bar

@JourneymanGeek oh, just link, yeah. Well it used to be in the top bar in the (g)olden days.

Yes

I don't like the lack of first order retrivability

Same, but personally it doesn't bother me.

It bothers me lol

Too much exposure is also bad.

its on the top of my wishlist for a reason

Chat might be flooded with people not knowing how to use it properly.

@ShadowTheKidWizard Well as opposed to chat being insanely hard to find

and meta

Or, tons of people without enough reputation, that will take it "what??? I can't chat??? I'm now offended by this!!!"

we can have jobs on tech site sidebars - leading back to SO

and not stuff that's an integral part of our own sites

So, giving chat such exposure should come with more changes.

@ShadowTheKidWizard that's never the reason chat was .. hidden away tho

it was lack of feeling it had value to the company

@JourneymanGeek I know, think it's just simple design choice, it didn't have place in top bar.

Well what about meta

and all sorts of other stuff did

and all these things are on the wishlist not "Geek got what he wanted" list for a reason

oh wait, there is direct link to chat already, in the footer.

Hidden by cookie dialog for me, but it's there.

too hard to find

!!/grant JourneymanGeek wish

@ShadowTheKidWizard No such command 'grant'.

:(

and... down again.

stackstatus itself also down, maybe better host it elsewhere so it won't fall along with the other sites? Just a wild idea.... :D

ohhhhh wait... it's my local permanent cache, stackstatus without www is dead for me, need to add www manually and keep forgetting it.

(links to it don't have the www)

@ShadowTheKidWizard 'No such command'

lol

I could get behind chat being more visible if we can somehow tweak that depending on the community

@curious yeah, this might work too.

@curious well - meta could always be there

chat - ehhh

I think the smaller communities need it more

@Feeds onebox skills

@JourneymanGeek yea that's why I mentioned it. I would totally be fine with GD.SE's chatroom being more visible but I could totally understand why other places would want to chat to stay buried

I'm thinking more for SU (and we're a bigger site) since MSE usually has people familiar with the network drifting in

Chat is great to retain some regulars

Pets could use the visibility

@curious not sure they'd like influx of new users in their chat rooms, though.

yup

@ShadowTheKidWizard most of them are super quiet in general

so ehhh

managable

Weird comment I just got

Asked them to join me on Den, now I just wait.

@ShadowTheKidWizard But then you can have a separate room for the regulars or something... like build it in layers

@curious then the new people won't like it ;)

Will consider it arrogant, and they'll have a point.

haha maybe

move the regulars to Discord :P publish a link there every 5 years or something lol

@curious I like onsite chat

@curious yes!!1!! Discord!!!!! :P

one of the difficulties I have is most of the SU chat regulars are both on network (on Root Access) and off (Matrix)

@JourneymanGeek Neo

@ShadowTheKidWizard we run our own chat network lol

Self hosted of course

I was trying to defend my idea against Shadow's point :P make it accessible somehow so that is seems less arrogant... like through privileges or something

which is amusing cause the more technical communities like the folks who used to be on server fault and security...

@curious just in case you missed it...

@ShadowTheKidWizard It seems likely I would have missed it at -16DV :D

@JourneymanGeek at work?

for fun

work runs mostly on MS teams and whatsapp

@curious badges ;)

@curious it wasn't always -16 :D

;-)

lol

@ShadowTheKidWizard No, that's not me.

@curious Already done? :p

@Mithical shh that's a secret :D

@Bart oh, OK. Hello new visitor! I'm Shadow.

@Mithical :)

yep! Just that we still can't make chat on SE more visible

@ShadowTheKidWizard Thank you for the welcome. I had hoped this place would have more wizards. But oh well.

I would call 911 or 112 depending where you are

@Bart I've lost my powers, back to being kid.

@rene 100 here

But don't expect any help they're super lame.

Of course they don't communicate with each other, e.g. if you call 100 and say you must have ambulance now they'll just say it's not related to them, maybe suggest you to call 101 instead if you reach someone generous.