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Manishearth

5:02 AM

I did something similar on Physics:

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/23130/where-do-my-socks-go

The strange part was that it got 3 closevotes pretty fast (the fourth one I cast today since its April 2 now)

Normally, on Physics.SE, closevotes are hard to come by--almost all closed questions have been closed by a diamondmod

mootinator

Odd.

Manishearth

Best one so far is the ballpoint pen one: physics.stackexchange.com/a/23145/7433

(For some reason chat ate up my prev post--I said "I got some pretty good answers on that one, so I'm happy anyway."

mootinator

=)

Dharmendra

6:31 AM

Is pin a message is for negative sign ?

Start a message is same as pin message

but pin message will get some priority

Anonymous

@Dharmendra No; it's like super-starring a message. It'll show up in the star lists for... I can't remember, quite a long time, much longer than normally-starred messages.

Anonymous

@Dharmendra Right, yeah. Mods and room owners only.

Dharmendra

Means if I pin the message is just like super star. Is it ?

balpha

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/faq#star

Dharmendra

Hmm I see, some one had provide me wrong information. anyway I get it.Thanks.

All are enjoying Android weekend by making same profile picture.

Lix

7:11 AM

2

Q: Doubts about mechanism of stackoverflow.com flair

What mechanism does stackoverflow.com flair use? Today i discovered that this website offers profile badges or flairs to the user to put up on the website. but the url that they provide if ending with .jpg extension. I guess how can a .jpg be always updated with my current profile reputations and...

I'm having trouble deciding if this question should be on meta at all... its kind of a grey area (no pun intended)

balpha

7:49 AM

0

Q: Use PHP's preg_replace() to return only the value inside the <h1>?

commented: Umm...just a bit of sidebar topic here: as I was typing this post (most of the way through), a weird unicorn graphic showed up on the right side of the page and, like MS Clippy, asked me if I wanted help parsing XML, and then sent me here: stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/… When I came back to my post to take a screenshot of the unicorn, it was gone. Somebody please tell me that wasn't a hallucination. Somebody? Anybody? Hello?

Lix

hehe - poor guy :P

Manishearth

8:26 AM

The <center> cannot hold :/

Anonymous

9:57 AM

Performing an exhaustive search of clippycorn ids up to 1000:

Anonymous

balpha

you have 3 minutes left :)

Anonymous

BLOODY HELL

Anonymous

Well that won't work.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ro2n3/…

Well, this is pretty amazing

Anonymous

10:07 AM

@balpha Now that that's over, do we get to know how many there were in total?

balpha

19

but 3 of those were for specific users

Anonymous

Thanks. Damn, we only missed one of the generally-available ones.

balpha

{"text":"Looks like you @mentioned the post owner there. That's not necessary.","thanks":"Continue without help","options":[{"text":"Learn more about replying in comments","link":"/editing-help#comment-reply","dismiss":true},{"text":"Just tell me why the @mention was removed","response":"The post owner will always be notified of new comments, so you don't need to @mention their name.","thanks":"I see, thanks."}]}

Yi Jiang's Proble_

@balpha Ha! Clippycorn actually been helpful!

Anonymous

10:25 AM

@YiJiangsProble_ Aye, should keep that one: no more "whered my @ go". (Though I actually don't remember seeing one of those too recently...)

Yi Jiang's Proble_

11:05 AM

> Alright, that's it, NO MORE MARKDOWN. Straw, camel, etc., you ruined it for everyone....no more network, sorry folks. Also, in light of these bug reports we're renaming it to MarkdownDull, since we're closing up shop can won't be fixing said bugs, etc. – Nick Craver 18m ago

Nuuuuuuuu!

Anonymous

11:27 AM

I tried to write a query to list the top bounty investors. I thought I got it right: it's supposed to be summing the BountyAmounts of BountyStart votes by UserId. However when the results are compared to the values displayed in the users' current profiles, the current profile values are usually smaller (when they should be equal-or-greater). Help would be appreciated.

Anonymous

For example, the query says that Adam Davis has invested 18750 rep in bounties but his profile says he's invested 17500.

balpha

12:24 PM

@jonskeet Hello, John I want to develop ability like developing any kind applications using csharp, how should i start or can u suggest me

Tweeted by MSUWORLD on April 2, 2012 at 11:46 AM in reply to jonskeet

@MSUWORLD That's too broad a question to have any real answer, I'm afraid.

Tweeted by jonskeet on April 2, 2012 at 11:48 AM in reply to MSUWORLD

I wonder what you have to do to make Jon Skeet lose it...

5

Yi Jiang's Proble_

@balpha I see that Stack Overflow has trained him well

Only took him 2 minutes to close the question as NaRQ - Too Broad

Lix

lol

Tim Stone

@balpha Well, he does have a history of talking to a sock on his hand, that doesn't count?

balpha

12:39 PM

You mean that's just compensating? Entirely possible yeah.

jadarnel27

@TwilightSparkle I wonder if you'd have to filter out any bounties that were cancelled / refunded to get the numbers right. It's possible the number on your profile already hides those.

Lix

Question - I recently learned that I can ping an editor of a post even though their username does not auto-complete -

what happens if I made an edit afterwards - can I still ping another editor? Will he/she/it be notified?

Yi Jiang's Proble_

@Lix You can ping any previous editor of the post, I believe

Lix

awesome - thanks @yij, I hope so...

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

12:56 PM

@Manishearth hehe

Hi all

Lix

Hi @ama!

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Lix wassup? ^_^

cdeszaq

Mornin'

Lix

@ama - not much hey :P plodding though some code and seeking help on Stack Overflow :P

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

0

Q: How do I install jQuery?

How do I do it? What do I press to install jQuery on my computer? I downloaded onto my computer, but it did not install... Halp me please. Thank.

jquery installation

hehe I love my April Fools prank ^_^

Lix

1:03 PM

@ama - some people just don't get it :P stackoverflow.com/a/9967044/558021

cdeszaq

@Lix Seeking help? Care to elaborate? I happen to know a group of people that are especially helpful

looks around

Lix

oo - controversial question there :P zero score after 18 votes :P

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Lix Haha he figured it out in the comments.

although it may be a question someone could ask..

Lix

@cde - stackoverflow.com/q/9976441/558021

@ama - yea right :P would be closed soooo fast :P

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Lix I wrote a socket php server a while ago

tons of for loops

but it worked ^_^

i did not use pcntl though

Lix

1:06 PM

yea - mine worked too :P

cdeszaq

@Lix That is a particularly well formatted question. I don't have any help for you (unfortunately), but I must applaud you for how well formatted that question is

Lix

Untill that is it was tested from overseas with over 20 people :P

@cde - thanks man! :P Look at the first edit though - sad that someone was SOO upset about it :(

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Lix im confused at the edits

cdeszaq

@Lix Heh, yeah, that will fly on Meta, but not on SO. I probably would have done the same thing

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

why did someone change the image?

ahhh i see

hmmm

Lix

1:08 PM

@cde - awww :( but why? All the information was there - it was at the bottom of the post and it was "relevant" ;)

Its hard to get out of the META style of thinking :P

cdeszaq

@Lix "relevant" but still noise. I remove "Thanks, MyNameHere" sorts of signatures as well.

@Lix So true

@Lix If you had used a smaller graphic and had tucked it into the question more, it might have survived. As it was, it just took up way to much vertical space.

Lix

yea - i guess you are right... But I even centered the image :P That took the better part of 2 whole minutes!!!

Haters :P

cdeszaq

As a side-note, does anyone know if there is a way to insert images into SO posts and have the text flow around it?

Moshe

@cde by asking on meta?

cdeszaq

I can't think of too many good uses for it that make sense in the context of SO, but for other SE sites it probably would.

@Moshe :) Yeah, I thought I would ask here first (even before searching meta... I know, I'm bad)

Moshe

1:12 PM

@lix rollback the image? Edit war?

jadarnel27

@Lix I honestly though the "edit summary" comment was a bit too harsh.

Moshe

Haha, @cde it's okay. We all do that.

Lix

@jad - me too :( i've seen junk - that was not junk...what really got to me is that he removed the word zombie from the title.... that was really uncalled for!

@mos - hehehe - great influences here in meta chat ;)

@cde - checkout my first edit - you put an <img> inside a <pre> and pad it with  

instead of spaces just put your text...

jadarnel27

@Lix Indeed, zombie is an appropriate word there. Perhaps they didn't realize, and just thought it was a reference to your image (when the image was really a reference to the terminology =))

Lix

@jad - hehe - that word appeard in other places in the post also... lazy editor :P

cdeszaq

1:15 PM

@Lix true... That's probably the only way to make it work. But even still, I don't think it will wrap the way I'm looking for. If I can't find an existing post on Meta (and I can come up with a good reason for it), I'll ask for it.

Moshe

Heh. I would roll back but you lose the other edits with parenthesis added to your function names.

Lix

@mos - na :P leave it - I might have got a few votes for it - but i seem to still be getting some :) thanks though :)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Moshe stop futzing!

Thank you for playing ^_^

jadarnel27

I think Popular Demand's April Fool's question is one of the best I've read =)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

1:32 PM

@jadarnel27 oy

Neysor

1:49 PM

hi guys

Sathya

2:04 PM

since some had posted answers on Super User's Fishy question

in Root Access on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 hours ago, by Sathya

For posterity's sake - Fishy Question is now saved to PDF

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jadarnel27

@Sathya That is fantastic.

Also, I'm really impressed that all of the links in that PDF work, @Sathya.

Sathya

@jadarnel27 haha, I hadn't noticed that! Googled "convert webpage to PDF" & clicked on the first result!

jadarnel27

2:30 PM

@Sathya I noticed it by accident (I just noticed my cursor changed as a moved past a link).

jadarnel27

2:42 PM

Jason Punyon ♦, New York, NY

5.7k 8 28

careers status-completed bug support feature-request discussion data-explorer

That blurry "J" kinda makes me go cross-eyed.

cdeszaq

@jadarnel27 Yeah, my eyes keep trying to make it come into focus

jadarnel27

@cdeszaq Glad it's not just me =P

He is definitely off the list of my possible favorite SE employees.

cdeszaq

2:58 PM

@jadarnel27 Careful, you don't want to upset the almighty DEVS. They wield giant flaming ban-hammers of doom and shoot lightening from their eyes.

Anonymous

3:10 PM

@jadarnel27 Hmm, that could be it. There don't seem to be any other possible vote events available to factor in... perhaps it's impossible to do correctly. Maybe by looking for corresponding BountyClose votes... I'll look into that later. Probably messy.

Moshe

Gut Morgen alles.

cdeszaq

Interesting debate:

-3

Q: Profile picture blocked. Your opinion is needed

Moderator changed my profile picture, telling that it's not suitable for such serious professional site like StackOverflow. Here is picture in question: http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/051f60f1bd88576caeb063c659751b63?s=128&d=identicon&r=PG I don't think that my picture will offend ...

discussion

Popular Demand

Interesting how? I'm at work, so I'm not opening that picture, but the "discussion" seems pretty one-sided.

jadarnel27

@PopularDemand It's a picture of a scantily clad (but not nude) female (Carmen Elektra, I think).

Now, if someone threw in a really good argument for leaving the profile picture up...

Lix

There is no discussion here - all you need is ONE person to find it offensive and thats enough.

Popular Demand

3:19 PM

Pops's Perturbing Pedantic Problem of the Day: people who vote to close as "Not Constructive" on MSO when a question is a legitimate feature request that they just don't like.

Lix

@pop - If someone didn't put much effort into their request then it could be NC...

cdeszaq

@PopularDemand "Perturbing Pedantic Problem" ... Plus One (If I could for chat messages)

Popular Demand

You helped come up with that, didn't you?

cdeszaq

yup

Popular Demand

@Lix True, but those aren't the ones I'm talking about.

Lix

3:22 PM

pro's and con's of community driven deletion/closure...

cdeszaq

@PopularDemand I went off on that particular P-riffic tangent for quite awhile :) (I think the longest version I managed was about 10 P-words that all made logical (and I think grammatical) sense)

Popular Demand

@cdeszaq Seems a little self-aggrandizing then. But then, who am I to complain?

jadarnel27

@PopularDemand Example?

Just out of curiosity, for some context to your peeve...er... perturbing pedantry.

Popular Demand

Wow. There is no existing "how to vote" FAQ entry that I can use for closing this as a dupe.

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand That has not constructive votes? >_>

Popular Demand

3:28 PM

@jadarnel27 I don't really keep a record of them... this one is close.

Lix

@pop - how to vote? You mean how to find the arrows or how to consider voting on a post?

Popular Demand

@Lix I disagree with this, by the way; it's far too strict a filter. See the discussions on MSO about profanity for more.

Lix

@pop - you said it yourself - "I'm at work, so I'm not opening that picture". It is a picture of a woman with minimal clothing and the whole - "sexy" finger in mouth pose... If gravatar considers that as "rated G" then well... I fold

Popular Demand

The "ratings" on Gravatar are competely up to the uploading user.

And that statement has nothing to do with your previous one.

Lix

Oh - Right - the user does select the rating... ignore the last sentence then :)

In anycase - would YOU say that it is appropriate?

Or rather - if someone else said that it was offensive to them - would you demand that they explain exactly how and why it is offensive?

Popular Demand

3:39 PM

@Lix In theory, yes. In practice, some things are so obviously offensive or non-offensive by generally accepted societal guidelines that there's no need to ask.

Lix

and don't you think when confronted with the female form and minimal clothing that there really is no need to ask if it is appropriate?

I think the main issue here is actually not if it is offensive to you personally but if it could be offensive to anyone else - and in this case the answer is obviously yes.

Popular Demand

Wait, you seem to assume that I think it's okay; why is that?

Lix

Oh I'm sorry - I did not mean to sound like it was directed at you specifically... I mean "You" as the observer of the image....

jadarnel27

@PopularDemand Ah, I see. I've definitely been annoyed by that behavior before.

I was wrong about who was in that picture. Apparently, it's "Fergie."

cdeszaq

@Lix - I, personally, think that isOffensiveToSomeoneSomewhere() is a bad metric for offensiveness. Just about any image (especially of another human) will be offensive to someone. A better way to measure it is "To what extent will people be offended" (ie. severity) and "What percentage of the users will be offended" (ie. scale). With those two measures, a community (or site or person or whatever) can much more accurately determine if something is offensive than just with a boolean.

Popular Demand

3:46 PM

What @cdeszaq just said is more or less the point I was trying to make. Now I don't have to finish typing my thing!

cdeszaq

@PopularDemand ;-) Glad to help

Lix

@cde - I see what you are getting at. However we are dealing with a public arena - we do not control who comes and goes. Personally I do not find it offensive.

jadarnel27

> No, Facebook is blocked, and all connections and data to/from the Internet gets logged and audited. Images like this do get picked up by automated processes, and you would be amazed at the headaches that this creates. – cdeszaq 33 mins ago

Where do you work, the Pentagon? =P

Lix

hehehe

cdeszaq

@jadarnel27 Heh, no, a hospital within a public university. (UW Hospital at the University of Wisconsin - Madison, to be more specific)

Popular Demand

3:54 PM

... so, one of the few places where minimal clothing could be on-topic for actual work.

jadarnel27

@TwilightSparkle I might take a look today as well. I'd be interested to know what you come up with =)

cdeszaq

@PopularDemand Technically, yes. But not quite in the ... context? .... of the image in question. I'm in the Radiology department, so while breasts and other similarly "taboo" body parts are by no means absent from everything I do, the images are usually of a much more see-through nature. (and are often hard to identify for the un-trained eye)

Popular Demand

I was joking, but I feel bad not acknowledging your long reply, so, um, thank you.

jadarnel27

@cdeszaq Ah, gotcha. I wasn't thinking about how strict hospitals are about security and whatnot, that makes sense.

cdeszaq

@PopularDemand No worries, my answer was lighthearted in nature as well, and it's length is more a function of procrastination on actual work than anything else ;-)

@jadarnel27 Yes, it's rather irritating, since a large portion of developer-to-developer help, info, and training is via Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, popular blogging platforms, etc, and all of that is blocked. It isn't so much security, as much as it is "We don't want our nurses wasting time and not doing their jobs." I'm just a casualty of war.

Popular Demand

4:03 PM

@jadarnel27 Oh, thanks! I usually scroll up right when I join the room but I didn't today for whatever reason, so I just now saw this. I don't feel like I can take much credit, though; I still think there have been many better ones in the past.

Also, you have reminded me that I need to flag that question for deletion now that it's no longer April 1.

cdeszaq

@PopularDemand Close as "too localized"?

mootinator

NSFW

jadarnel27

@cdeszaq I understand that. My last job had all of those restrictions. Through significant developer solidarity, we were able to get YouTube unblocked (for the express purpose of tutorials) - although it was "heavily monitored" and would be revoked "at the first sign of misuse."

If I remember correctly, the exception was specific to just the devs PCs.

cdeszaq

Yeah, things are slowly improving here, but sslllloooooooooowly

Lix

@jui - hey there

How's the facebook tag these days? :)

Juicy Scripter

4:18 PM

@Lix ;)

Popular Demand

This question didn't really have a clear point, but I wonder if it was onto something. Perhaps someone on the team could run some numbers and discover that high-rep users on Bicycles SE also tend to be great answerers on, say, Data Security SE.

Juicy Scripter

pretty shitty, as always

Lix

hehe - that is understandable :P

Juicy Scripter

kinda SSDD

Lix

totaly :P

Tim Stone

4:19 PM

@PopularDemand Shh, stop helping them steal my ideas! (OK, I'm not really sure this was part of my original idea which I've made very little progress on, but hmm)

Lix

I gave up pretty fast... but it got me into answering Q's on some other tags....

You and DCMS and iFavour still cooking up a storm there?

Popular Demand

Huh? What idea, @TimStone? And are you seriously not going to link me to that project you were referring to (which, to be fair, depending on the language, I might not be able to even understand let alone help out with)?

Juicy Scripter

@Lix I do answer other tags as well, just facebook is something I working everyday so facebook.so is almost always opened in couple of tabs ;)

cdeszaq

@PopularDemand I'm not particularly familiar with the data sets that are available externally, but there's likely a wealth of information that can be gleaned from analyzing the data set as a graph. Probably a paper or two (or ten) tucked in there, and likely a way to monetize things if someone wanted to pitch to SE Inc.

Lix

Yep - I hear you :P I'm in the same boat - Got the white and blue theme at work, at home, at play :S

Tim Stone

4:23 PM

@PopularDemand I have this thing I was going to do for the API contest but then didn't have time. But it's secret until I get it to a near-working state. Regarding the project, you'll probably find no interest in it, but it's in Java so it should be comprehensible (ignoring my terrible code) and can be found at the bottom of my Careers profile (to avoid linking directly from chat)

Juicy Scripter

@Lix Mostly. Looks like DCMS is getting a bit slower after gaining 12k+

Lix

But i stopped using the fb.so mini site because it always forced me to add a non facebook tag :P

Popular Demand

Noted. And psh, I don't trust any programmer who doesn't claim to produce terrible code.

Lix

yea! wow - I was at the same level as him at the begining :P

Juicy Scripter

@Lix Yeah it annoys a bit but just change remove the facebook. prefix as workaround ;)

Lix

4:25 PM

yep :P

Popular Demand

(Mostly because the others usually claim to produce beautiful code -- as opposed to making no claims at all -- which is almost never true.)

Juicy Scripter

@Lix Yep, I think we started gain some points almost at the same time

Moshe

Supposed to be writing papers today, on the phone with clients instead.

Lix

@jui - I think so too.... I've also been caught in the meta trap for a while now :P

Its fun here ^_^

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand I think it contains the worst Swing code that I've ever seen, heh.

Juicy Scripter

4:27 PM

@Lix BTW, we sharing not only "boat" but country ;)

Lix

no way! really? Haha... that's awesome :P

You coming to the meetup then?

cdeszaq

@TimStone I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as "good" Swing. It's all just variations on really bad, really ugly, and really painful. (Also, I can't seem to see the project you mention on your careers profile)

Juicy Scripter

@Lix ??

Lix

@jui - meetup.com/stackoverflow/Tel-Aviv-Yafo-IL/653282/?a=bn1

Juicy Scripter

@Lix there is a chance ;)

Lix

4:30 PM

Haha - cool - my CTO is also comming -so if u looking for a job... :P we looking for PHP people :)

Tim Stone

@cdeszaq Fair enough :D

Sathya

o hai @tim-my. Come to India :P

(did that get a highlight?)

Tim Stone

What am I coming to India for? :P

Yeah

Sathya

@TimStone timepass :P

Juicy Scripter

@Lix I'm always interested in stuff that interests me, but I'm kinda expensive bitch ;)

Sathya

4:32 PM

beer's on me :D

Tim Stone

Good enough reason as any :D

Lix

Hahahahahahahahaha

lo nora :P

Juicy Scripter

@Lix need to leave ;) cu

Lix

@jui - bye! c u around/

balpha

If anyone would help satisfy my (purely academic) curiosity: jsperf.com/finalizing-variables-closure-vs-try-catch

Rebecca Chernoff

4:38 PM

done, though I notice Chrome wants me to update...wonder if the numbers would change much

balpha

could you run it again? I hadz a bug

Rebecca Chernoff

ah, that explains why there was only 1 result showing when I then opened it in Firefox.

balpha

those results sure look like Chrome is smart enough to notice it's the same thing

Sathya

Rebecca Chernoff

other browsers sure like the closure version

Tim Stone

4:44 PM

@balpha Only Chrome though, heh.

balpha

lol, it crashes safari for me

Anonymous

Hmm, it said "get/post request failed" after I tried it in Safari...

Lix

won't load in lynx ;)

And crashed firefox 11 too...

Anonymous

try/catch was 41% slower for me in Safari, in case that wasn't logged.

jadarnel27

> "I know this question should be posted in the asp.net forum, but that forum doesn't get many hits as this one, sorry..." - this question

balpha

4:48 PM

interesting results, thanks all

Tim Stone

Hmm, I wonder why the closure case is so slow in Chrome, though...

Rebecca Chernoff

Chrome 17.0.963.83 - 14,669 vs 14,903
Chrome 18.0.1025.142 - 15,900 vs 15,119
Firefox 11.0 - 32,707 vs 9,550
IE 9.0.8112.16421 - 35,557 vs 1,245
iPhone (iOS 5.1) - 2,597 vs 1,407

oh noes! I forgot the kindle fire!

Tim Stone

IE 9 beating Chrome 19 so badly is just trolls :P

Rebecca Chernoff

kindle fire isn't that much worse than the iphone

mootinator

@PopularDemand Some people consider spaghetti beautiful.

Anonymous

4:55 PM

@RebeccaChernoff Whooo, that's an idea. I'll go try my Kindle 3.

Anonymous

Kindle Browser 4.0 on Kindle 3.0: Closure got 363 ops/sec, try/catch got 298 ops/sec.

Anonymous

Reported itself as Safari (because its agent is "like Safari 4.x"). I tried to correct that, but the Kindle browser couldn't open the window. :P

jadarnel27

6:17 PM

RAWR!

Lix

eddie izzard reference

jadarnel27

Not an intentional one. I had to Google that name just to know who it was =)

Lix

:O Shock....

hehe

►

jadarnel27

I...kind of want to downvote this purely because of the condescending parenthetical statement in the first sentence. But I will not.

Tim Stone

Oh, that's a duplicate..

Lix

6:25 PM

Phrase of the day

EVERY DAY

jadarnel27

@TimStone Oh, great. I'm taking that as an endorsement from you to downvote now.

=)

Tim Stone

I said no such thing :P

jadarnel27

I read between the lines.

This guy has earned two-thirds of his rep from bounties o_O

Lix

haha - awesome

Tim Stone

Don't worry @jadarnel27, I promise to finish your feature before I fix that one ;)

Michael Mrozek

6:33 PM

The close as duplicate dialog not changing size anymore has pretty much changed my life

jadarnel27

claps

Um...ouch

Michael Mrozek

:D. "Not to criticize, but this is terrible in every way and you should hate yourself for posting it"

jadarnel27

Hahahahaha

Lix

flagged as under the belt :P

jadarnel27

@Lix Thanks ;-) To be fair, his answer is quite nice.

mootinator

6:52 PM

Why does everyone have to stomp up and down stairs?

What's wrong with a light step?

Sheesh.

jadarnel27

@mootinator Have you ever tried it? It's awesome.

stomps though the tavern

mootinator

HMMM. Science.

I have to go get some tap shoes first.

Pretty sure I can't replicate the noise I keep hearing without them.

Tim Stone

@mootinator Some people just really hate floors.

mootinator

Rude.

jadarnel27

That was a disturbingly relevant YouTube clip for this conversation.

Tim Stone

6:56 PM

:D

mootinator

@jadarnel27 I'm jealous.

Moshe

C++ notes.

I have to pee, but I have to take notes.

Must take the notez.

mootinator

I thought my paltry thousand rep from bounties the one month was impressive.

jadarnel27

@mootinator Yeah, it's kind of crazy. He should have a badge for that goes to post "Bounty Hunter badge request" duplicate #1021

I actually haven't earned any bounties, so I'm very jealous.

Lix

7:16 PM

oh my... there is a separate limit on comment votes per day...

Anonymous

@jadarnel27 If you haven't seen it, he posted a question asking if his bounty-hunting behaviour was inappropriate. He seems very respectably cautious.

cdeszaq

@Lix I may or may not hit that almost every day :) (and I think there's a rate/day limit in just about all actions)

jadarnel27

@TwilightSparkle Ah, I read that post but didn't make the connection to the user. Indeed, "respectably cautious" is exactly right.

Popular Demand

8:30 PM

I just reread the profile picture question from this morning. Maybe it's just because we're so close to April Fools' Day, but I'm beginning to suspect it's a slowplaying troll.

Lix

over analyzing maybe? :P

Popular Demand

Almost certainly.

But really, "everyone should react to all things in the same way I would, and anyone who doesn't is stupid and irrelevant"? Who acts like that in real life?

cdeszaq

@PopularDemand n00bz?

Popular Demand

(Not an actual quote; that's my own summary.)

jadarnel27

@PopularDemand It's pretty accurate.

George Edison

8:39 PM

Saved to imgur.com for future reference.

balpha

Who are you expecting to refer to it in the future? :)

jadarnel27

I think the new real-time updates are causing me to have productivity problems =)

cdeszaq

@jadarnel27 I'd swap "meta" in for "real-time updates", but same here :)

Tim Stone

I'm having work-work productivity problems, but I don't know that they're necessarily caused by the realtime updates...

Popular Demand

@cdeszaq Oh, yeah? Don't you mean Facebook?

jadarnel27

8:46 PM

sickburn

cdeszaq

@PopularDemand Meta.StackOverflow.com. Facebook for Programmers

Popular Demand

I thought Meetups were Facebook for programmers.

cdeszaq

Anyone in here really good at designing class structures? (ie. inheritance, composition, etc.)?

Popular Demand

9:03 PM

I can pretend to be, until you actually ask me to design one and I prove otherwise.

cdeszaq

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Q: What class structure allows for a base class and mix/match of subclasses? (Similar to Users w/ roles)

I have a set of base characteristics, and then a number of sub-types. Each instance must be one of the sub-types, but can be multiple sub-types at once. The sub-types of each thing can change. In general, I don't care what subtype I have, but sometimes I do care. This is much like a Users-Roles ...

java class-design groovy grails

I just can't figure out how to model it with "normal" OO principals.

balpha

You answered it yourself. Ditch Java, use Python ;)

cdeszaq

What will Python let me do that Java won't?

balpha

duck typing

cdeszaq

But... But... It just feels so... messy!

And Groovy can do duck-typing, so I guess I'll have to go that route instead of Java. But now, how to tie that into a relational DB using Hibernate? :)

balpha

9:08 PM

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Popular Demand

Stop destroying the foundation of cdeszaq's entire question, @balpha, there are critical bugs for you to fix.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Hi all

balpha

@PopularDemand tomscott.com/everydayim/#bugfixin

cdeszaq

@PopularDemand My question's foundation is shaky at best, and duck-typing is the answer, I think, but the un-asked question of my question is really how to map it onto a DB

Popular Demand

Fine. See if I try to halfheartedly defend you for minor personal gain again.

Tim Stone

9:12 PM

@PopularDemand That bug smells suspiciously of waffles.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@@Shog9 -- u there?

@balpha how u doing? ^_^

balpha

not good, AOL emoticons make me sick

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@balpha which ones?

Shog9

9:29 PM

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA what's up?

Michael Mrozek

"AOL emoticons"? For shame

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Shog9 I assume u saw my latest meta question.

Shog9

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA no

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Just curious as to why my SO question was deleted.

Shog9

maybe

I donno

links

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

9:30 PM

@Shog9 I thought all mods get notifications abt meta posts

@Shog9 here: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/127909/155556

Shog9

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA I prioritize notifications

Tim Stone

@Shog9 Oh you :P

Michael Mrozek

@Shog9 No! We finally broke him of the habit

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@MichaelMrozek :-P

meanie

Shog9

@MichaelMrozek You have to break the "ping shog" habit first.

Michael Mrozek

9:31 PM

I care less about that one

Shog9

Otherwise... Well, I just show up and ask for links

Michael Mrozek

...crap

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Shog9 well u are the one that deleted my question, even though it did have 3 reopen votes :-P

Shog9

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA the "how do I install jquery" question?

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Shog9 si

Shog9

9:32 PM

yeah, it wasn't April 1st anymore

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Shog9 So why not delete ALL of the april 1 questions.

bc you shouldnt

@Shog9 stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/april-fools

Anyways I think I proved my point.

So anyways, could you undelete that question?

Shog9

Appeal to tradition

Appeal to tradition (also known as proof from tradition, appeal to common practice, argumentum ad antiquitatem) is a common fallacy in which a thesis is deemed correct on the basis that it correlates with some past or present tradition. The appeal takes the form of "this is right because we've always done it this way." An appeal to tradition essentially makes two assumptions that are not necessarily true: * The old way of thinking was proven correct when introduced, i.e. since the old way of thinking was prevalent, it was necessarily correct. **In actuality this may be false — t...

^^^ Read, @Amana

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Shog9 That still does not tell me that my question should not be undeleted. My question has the ability to be really asked by a new user on SO as opposed to some of the other dren that is posted under that tag

For example: stackoverflow.com/q/9967585/561731 which could never really be asked. @Shog9

Shog9

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A: What should be done with the April Fools questions?

Traditionally, all but the most wildly successful get closed and deleted. If they make it to the end of 4/1, they're doing pretty well - only a tiny handful are ever good enough to stick it out for the long haul. Look everyone! It's a vomiting clown! In my mind, there are three broad guideli...

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Shog9 I see. I if I rollback to real edits and remove the tag, would it be fine? (at least the one I asked)

Shog9

9:44 PM

If you went back to yesterday and asked an honest question, would we treat it like one? Sure.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Hmmm rolling back on a deleted question does not seem to be working...

Shog9

Do I have any interest in reviving a question you've made abundantly clear was a joke? No.

Tim Stone

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Q: Can't rollback edit on a deleted post

I took the editor from a deleted answer (10k SU only) in order to use its preview to copy an HTML entitry representation, like ↔. Anyway, I accidentally pressed Enter and submitted this edit, which resulted in this: Talk about a pointless edit right there. Anyway, to avoid confusion,...

bug editing deleted-answers rollbacks

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Shog9 I am trying to rollback, but it is failing.

Whatever. doesnt matter... Apparently ony I cannot be funny on April Fools day...

mootinator

So I'm in an airport with no WiFi trying to debug a webapp locally...

Nothing is working properly.

Tim Stone

9:51 PM

That sounds unpleasant.

Moshe

Urp!

mootinator

When I suddenly realize my problem. I can't reach the Google CDN.

So literally the problem is "Not enough jQuery"

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Popular Demand

That sounds like the second circle of developer hell.

mootinator

Also that.

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