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bobble

1:14 AM

For jobs messages questions, should I edit and vote to close at the same time?

Journeyman Geek

are we closing those?

user302202

2:11 AM

There isn't that much to flag on productivity SE, because it lacks

user302202

Or lacked... until it was closed in on March 6 of 2018.

user302202

Real taverners know the closing dates of obscure failed SE sites.

user302202

Freelancing still exists and even got two questions so far in May.

user302202

> If you are the administrator of a Stack Exchange 1.0 site, please contact the community team with any questions you may have.

user302202

(From stackexchange.com/site-not-found) What questions would they have... how do I operate this time machine I just built?

tripleee

3:08 AM

flag-pls spam returning spammer, insidiously non-spammy-looking "answer" ^

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

4:47 AM

@M.A.R. trouble

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

5:41 AM

Reached 24,000 support questions today

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@SonictheSaveUkraine-hog hooray!

Meta Andrew T.

For such a rare occasion in recent period, looks like Ethereum.SE won...

4

Q: Custom Ethereum design and logo - Information gathering

Congratulations Ethereum community! We’re going to be creating a custom site design for you that we hope will represent your subject and we want you all to really love it. You’ve been waiting almost 5 years and we really want to do this well. To facilitate this, we’re reaching out now to ask you ...

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

I was sure SE dropped the idea of custom designs. What changed?

Meta Andrew T.

5:57 AM

The self-confident after the April Fool's The Filters™?

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

hmm

It's a pain in their [blip] as it makes doing global changes harder, like dark theme. So I even got to accept them not adding new custom designs.

Oh well, maybe Smokey can help.

!!/design MSE

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar No such command 'design'.

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

:(

Meta Andrew T.

Looks like they already limited the scope of the customization

> We'll be able to create a logo, background colors, and textures in addition to your logo - but please don't expect illustrations like what you may have seen on some of the older site designs.

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

26

Q: Why don't newly-designed sites get custom 404, 500, or captcha images anymore?

By "error images" below, I mean the images used on each site for the 404 Not Found page, the 500 server error page, and the captcha page. I'll admit that I'm a bit biased as I strongly believe that each site should have its own, unique set of error images, as they add a certain level of charm to ...

support design images full-sites

Never got an answer as to why

Meta Andrew T.

6:07 AM

Because it doesn't look so Stacks™ :/

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

Also:

> I personally created the Frisa Lank theme

Kudos for creating the perfect alternative theme that's actually readable

Meta Andrew T.

Yep, I agree very much.

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

One more point:

> We got into a situation where several sites were in queue for graduation but the designer didn't have the bandwidth to actually create the designs.

Said designer was removed as part of the November 2017 mass layoff.

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

6:21 AM

Also, in car news: the old, practical car I've talked about a few times here finally met its end today

Took it to the mechanic and they say the engine is damaged beyond repair. $5000 to replace the engine.

Apparently it was suffering a coolant leak for a while, which never really manifested into any visible issue until very recently

tripleee

flag-pls spam security audit promotion softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/a/438730

oh it was actually reported above, but still up

Luuklag

6:56 AM

@tripleee not anymore

tripleee

7:56 AM

the first wizolio one above is still up, any new flaggers ready? ^^

Glorfindel

poof

Luuklag

10:32 AM

@tripleee theres a phone number in that post above, but Smokey didn't catch it

tripleee

thanks for the ping, watched now

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 31 mins ago, by tripleee

can't see the original of https://superuser.com/questions/1721968 (not enough rep), anyone able to fetch a screen shot or copy/paste of the edit history?

Luuklag

you wanna ask journey or david

tripleee

yeh, hesitant to ping anyone in particular as I imagine there will be more people with privs on SU

the "new business" one on Freelancing is still up

JNat

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar gone

@Luuklag gone

tripleee

11:36 AM

flag-pls spam returning spammer travel.stackexchange.com/questions/173729/…

Catija

12:08 PM

Y'all - if you have questions about the site design stuff, feel free to ask here on MSE but I'd really rather you weren't leaving semi-hostile comments on the individual site posts.

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

12:19 PM

@JNat thanks!

Journeyman Geek

>_>

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

<_<

Journeyman Geek

@Catija Ugh, we having people being nasty still? ._.

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

There'll always be people behaving nastily, it's part of the deal...

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag i.stack.imgur.com/xU9fu.png there you go

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar ehh, not really "part of the deal"

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

12:22 PM

Some listen to warnings, some don't.

Journeyman Geek

There's a kind of a fragile balance here.

Catija

@SonictheSaveUkraine-hog but it's not her fault that happened - it's not really helpful at this point to make that a point in the design process. We're creating site designs now - maybe focus on that?

Journeyman Geek

.....

We're creating site designs?

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek of being a mod, there's constant stream of new users, naturally some would be nasty at some point. You can suspend, but more will come.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar Well - not all people who are nasty are new

and people pick up from what they see

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

12:24 PM

@JourneymanGeek yeah there was link here earlier today.

@JourneymanGeek like kids! Nice. ;)

Journeyman Geek

I'm apparently completely out of the loop, though I plead working the night shift and general work burnout :D

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek took me by surprise too, was sure custom designs are dead and buried.

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Sonic is quoting a question about a new site design from one of the designers - hint. There's currently seven of them and I wrote the post because I'm the one supporting the project.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija Gimme a sec, let me get caught up

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

snatching @Journeyman's second mid-air

Journeyman Geek

12:26 PM

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar I'm slightly less pessimistic but thought it was further down the line

@Catija I mean, this is a very positive thing but I didn't know this :D

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar In theory I could suspend them all, but I'd be running through keyboards like no one's business...

But the broader issue is a mix of a sense of entitlement (and admittedly SE's kinda not lived up to expectations in the past) and a certain disconnect between the folks building things, and the folks using it (work in progress fixing?)

DavidPostill

@tripleee ^^^

Journeyman Geek

.....

I PLEAD LACK OF SLEEP

Luuklag

@Catija Are you referring to mine?

Journeyman Geek

12:50 PM

@Catija >_> done :D

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek arg you beat me to it.

Journeyman Geek

\o/

Luuklag

you might want to fix your spelling of ethereum though

Journeyman Geek

You snooze... well I did a little snoozing ...

grumbles, crypto

Luuklag

And bitcoin is also getting a design right now

Journeyman Geek

12:53 PM

I kept it generic, basically cause I've not actually caught up on this

I also wonder how this would affect reputation levels since I remember Design independant graduated sites maintained beta rep levels

Luuklag

Bitcoin still has beta rep levels

Feeds

stackoverflow.blog/2022/05/20/…

Journeyman Geek

@Mithical Yay for questions written half asleep ._.

Apparently you can be the fastest gun in the west, and put holes everywhere but the other guy too ._.

Mithical

!!/coffee JourneymanGeek

SmokeDetector

@Mithical brews a cup of espresso for @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

12:57 PM

lol

Not a replacement for sleep ._.

Mithical

nonsense

Journeyman Geek

@Mithical I got about 3 hours

Catija

@JourneymanGeek It doesn't

Journeyman Geek

@Catija which might be something else sites may be interested in requesting ._.

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek I assume they can just request that on their per site meta and tag it status-review?

Catija

1:07 PM

@Luuklag The layoffs really don't have anything to do with it - we revamped the entire layout of the network in 2018, which included having to redesign a bunch of sites, we also have actually created a handful of site designs since then (Code Golf and Anime at least)... the difference is that we now specifically have staff who have dedicated time to pick up where we left off.

Journeyman Geek

Maybe! If its a doable thing

Luuklag

@Catija Then I stand corrected

Catija

But I guess I don't really think it's fair to ask a designer to answer for the layoffs in 2017 - I understand that's maybe not your intention but... it feels like a really pointed and direct comment that's kinda... I don't know. My point is, you can ask the question "are all of the sites that don't have designs going to get one?" without being so upfront about the layoff stuff. :)

Luuklag

Well yeah, I just didn't recall any sites getting a design after the layoffs, so that was my point of reference.

Catija

Ah. Cool. :)

There's been a few attempts to get back to the themes over the years but we just haven't had the staffing to do it, particularly not to the scale that the backlog indicates. That's what happened with Code Golf (which went pretty well) and Anime (which ended up having to get farmed out to a contractor)... and I think they got stymied again at that point... Honestly, I think Philippe's put in a lot of work to get this moving again. :)

While I get to be the one supporting it, he was the person figuring out how to get time from the design team for it. :D

Hiya Jeremy :D

Luuklag

1:20 PM

@Catija having a network wide suspension doesn't block you from chat?

@Catija well that's great. Good to see those hard working former beta sites get some much deserved designs

Catija

It blocks you from talking here but not from reading. :) I haven't seen him around in a while, so I just wanted to say hi. :)

Luuklag

Ah so the ban at least has a point xD

And apparently a ban doesn't stop you from joining a collective. Is that intentional, or just an oversight

Not that I see many avenues for abuse there

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek oh, I see. Well, I'm glad they made the line shorter. :)

@JourneymanGeek and risk actual mutiny/exodus, yeah. If you take extreme measures, must do it in a very accurate way.

Catija

@Luuklag Not sure. I don't think it can do much damage (as you say).

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

I was once one of those who post such semi-hostile comments, and stopped. Two reasons: 1) It serve no real purpose, and 2) I got official warning.

Journeyman Geek

1:26 PM

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar Meh :D

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar and while it sometimes temporarily makes you feel better, there's no real point

nobody

Is it public public information why Jeremy is network-banned? If so, why?

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

So in my case, warning was enough to make me see reason #1 ;)

Journeyman Geek

@nobody No

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar there's a lot about SE that... annoys me, but its always worth thinking of the bigger picture and what you want to achieve

else you'll be that annoying snipey bitter person no one likes :D

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@nobody well he went "nuts" here several times over animal rights stuff. But dunno other places and sites.

@JourneymanGeek it's like kicking a wall, yeah.

Catija

I don't think my toes would feel better after kicking a wall. :)

Tinkeringbell

1:47 PM

Steel-toed boots :D

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell That still hurts, it only prevents your toes from getting crushed

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag Okay, I don't know how hard you kick your walls but back when I had my own steel-toed boots, wall kicking wasn't painfull at all (and a great outlet!)

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell probably harder then you did then xD

Journeyman Geek

I don't need to kick a wall to hurt my toes ._.

Tinkeringbell

Oh no, there are plenty of ways to hurt toes. Furniture, or doors....

(power) tools

rene

1:52 PM

You watched help, mijn man is klusser?

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek yeah, any furniture is enough. ;)

Tinkeringbell

@rene Don't need to, I know a guy....

rene

LOL ... oh boy ...

Luuklag

Haha, I can always laugh so hard at those utter failures

It isn't all that difficult people

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

Tinkeringbell

2:03 PM

@Luuklag Well I am the guy... I'm horrible at anything DIY. I can do crochet, or embroidery, or all those finer crafts... but give me some wood, a hammer, nails and a saw, and whatever I manage to make is horrible XD

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell as long as it's not a trip to the ER you'll be fine xD

Tinkeringbell

I haven't managed that yet. But I also haven't been given that many chances XD

Journeyman Geek

2:41 PM

@Tinkeringbell This happens amazingly often with my RA folks

one guy crushed 2 fingers fixing a bike, another one had a minor saw accident...

Tinkeringbell

It's almost as if they're guys ;)

Kevin B

whoa

SPArcheon

3:24 PM

Hi. Just sharing this here for use next year. I am sure the community would totally love this, right?

discovered this weird service dogr.io

notice how an image can be generated from text...

Journeyman Geek

>_>

SPArcheon

I will just post this one image...

Catija, you know what to do next April...

Journeyman Geek

SPArcheon

3:40 PM

It's a pity the parsing errors out so easily.

Could have been used for Smokey too...

So compact and easy to read. You should totally do this :P

🚽

I don't understand?

it's a toilet

it's a doge

@Catija was suggesting this as next year April fool

using a generated image so that users can't simply block the background and remove the dog

Meta Andrew T.

6:05 PM

@MetaAndrewT. apparently I was too quick to mention this since the Ethereum.SE meta post was the newest among network-wide meta posts at the time I posted this. Apologize for being possibly misleading... (the earliest was German.SE)

user302202

6:48 PM

Ethereum has the highest-traffic among non-designed sites (15K visits/day). German has 1.7

user302202

Sciences, ranked by SE popularity (traffic in kilovisits per day):
1. Mathematics 122 (+10 from MathOverflow)
2. Statistics 58
3. Physics 25
4. Chemistry 6
5. Computer Science 5 (+0.7 from TCS)
Then a steep dropoff to Astronomy, Biology, Economics, Earth... each with about 1 or less.

user302202

7:15 PM

However, in terms of most popular majors (USA), Psychology is huge and Math/Physics are some roundoff errors. nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=37

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

7:56 PM

@Glorfindel Absolutely agree with the closure and deletion, but the comment here is incorrect.

Kevin B

meh

M.A.R.

@VoteDukakis ouch, 1.7 visits/day

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

@M.A.R. "kilovisits"

M.A.R.

@SonictheSaveUkraine-hog no u

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

@VoteDukakis Would add the respective Educators sites to the Mathematics and CS categories

M.A.R.

8:06 PM

@VoteDukakis no psychology in JEE

(Thank God; I wouldn't want 600 million teenagers psychoanalyzing people on the internet)

@SPArcheon maybe a good meme though, this was getting old by the third picture you uploaded.

Like

Hmm

I'm at a loss myself

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@MetaAndrewT. coin?

@VoteDukakis well, people would do a lot to have chance to become rich. And virtual coins that are actual money sounds to many like easy gain, so they try to learn how to get it.

Most fail, naturally, and thus empower the machine.

It's one gigantic pyramid, now way too late to stop it.

sends 200 bitcoins to @M.A.R

Feeds

8:22 PM

Thank you to Katie Mack for teaching me about this effect, and to Janelle Shane for describing redshifts as 'like galaxies sinking into a pool of dilute blood,' which is how I'll see them from now on.

Spevacus

Wow. Neat phenomenon.

user302202

Astronomy traffic increases slightly

Spevacus

8:56 PM

I've put meta.stackexchange.com/a/342669/622284 in a table. Someone more markdown-savvy may want to clean it up. Or, someone who has a knack for making things look prettier might want to touch it up.

Spevacus

9:09 PM

:9206940 chat profile turns to dust

Journeyman Geek

11:39 PM

@Spevacus looks good to me

Spevacus

\o/

Journeyman Geek

11:58 PM

I wonder though if it would make sense to split up the time Bluefeet and Abby were working between CMing and non CMing

Taryn was a SRE for a long bit, and Abby was HR

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