First we should agree on a date and time for writing an agenda for a meeting to talk about considering discussing the procedure by which discussions occur.
I wonder how does rolling changes over the Stack Exchange network works. How do they effectively change code all over the network and when they want, just on meta, for example?
@YiJiangsProble_ And I invite you to argue for this in x other meta meta posts I created. I don't recall seeing any argumentation from your side on those posts.
@Martin We have four builds set up in Team City (previously we used Cruise Control). One for the dev tier, one for meta, one for stack overflow, and one for the rest. Except for the dev build, the (almost) only difference between the other three is what servers the build gets deployed to; Meta runs on two servers, SO on six different ones, and "others" on another three.
@balpha oh, that's it! So actually core is only one. When you want to test something on Meta, you just deploy changes there, right? What if someone builds Stack Overflow to fix bug? Wouldn't he deploy changes you intended to keep on Meta only for testing?
@balpha If you don't want to reopen, I suggest you mark it as duplicate, and merge them. You can drop my question, then I don't have to edit it at all. I'd appreciate it if you did merge my answer.
@Martin Precisely. We always want to be able to build all sites if we have to, exactly for the reason you mention: If there's an urgent bug to be fixed, saying "we can't build SO because we're testing something on Meta" is not an option.
First we should agree on a date and time for writing an agenda for a meeting to talk about considering discussing the procedure by which discussions occur.
See my reputation page here:
Where is the +10 rep for the upvote?
I did not seem to get anything for it.
What happened there? Is there something I missed?
Someone decided to start downvoting my answers due to them being too bulletin boardlike (not good grammar and capitalization)
Is there a way to report those users? And if so, what can i do about it?
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Here is one example
The following question was closed as a duplicate by a randomMod ♦:
How come the "Learning to write a compiler" question was deleted?
How is this a duplicate at all?
What I see is an someone who asked for an answer to his/her question and got an answer for it.
Why was it dubbed a dupli...
The problem with Meta is they claim they have the right to simply state something is a rant, without arguing why, ... because they don't have to, because it's a rant.
It's stuff like this that make me focus 100% on meta meta at the moment. That's why I'm in this room. I was (more or less) sent here through this support question.
Possible Duplicate:
Should HTML comments be stripped when validating answer length?
See my answer here: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/123638/155556
(now only 10K+ viewable (since the OP was deleted))
I was able to make my answer "" (yes that was on purpose)
In the end you can read ...
What I deem to be the best approach at the moment is fuzz around in this room. Raise concerns here. You have more of a fighting chance here than on Meta.
be loud, claim your right to be heard. That's something they do agree on.
Upvote, by definition, usually means one (1) of two (2) things:
I like this question, it is appropriate for this site and I want other users to benifit from it and it's answers.
I have the same question
@YiJiangsProble_ Yup, I figured I could use them as a metric to measure meta effectiveness. Having to discuss meta often would make me believe it's not that effective.
@YiJiangsProble_ That's what I said. :) P.s. I do find that people often don't notice tags. One of my main arguments is there is a big confusion between discussion and feature-request.
For example this question on scifi.SE was closed as a duplicate.
The OP, in his infinite wisdom, edited out the duplicate link!
Why is this allowed?
This should be prevented, or the duplicate question link should be present in the close reason.
Now if any future users (who are not used to the...
@YiJiangsProble_ Okay, it's your right to ignore people caring about the argument.
"First of all I want to raise awareness (as by this post), that there is a problem. We are driving people away who only have the best intentions for the network."
@YiJiangsProble_ That's why I keep linking you to that post. Until you specify what you don't understand about it.
Meta is there for a reason, let's not do that in chat. That post seemed to have attracted positive feedback, leaving your concerns behind there would be more constructive.
Although it's for the best, that (originally) up voted answer which entirely misinterpreted the OP was no answer at all. That should be deleted.
@YiJiangsProble_ I agree, long comment threads are unconstructive.
@YiJiangsProble_ I leave it up to you to find some of my down voted posts of my concrete suggestions. I feel I linked to them often enough. I leave all kinds of traces to them in the comment threads as everybody keeps asking that same question. But then there they say "I just don't agree with this suggestion, as I find meta suitable for discussion"
Kata for meta, remove votes from questions on meta, trying to find ways in which to prove meta doesn't or does work.
@StevenJeuris Which is true - you're asking for radical change to a system that works pretty well. The developers have priorities, and that priority is on the Q&A system, not the Meta sub-system that talks about the Q&A system
By popular demand, an improved mockup of the idea. As content for the mockup I used this very discussion. It includes only several of the arguments I was able to identify. A list of all them can be found in my other answer. Hopefully you can 'imagine' them inside the currently presented mockup.
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@YiJiangsProble_ I explain that in the comment thread with Cody Gray, and even provide some evidence for that. That doesn't work. There is a reason that particular long post has up votes and my others don't.
@JNK Thank you!
That's actually all I'm asking for, not that it should be implemented. Just that it should be discussed.
@StevenJeuris You can't have that on Meta. If you're going to talk about a feature, talk as if you want it to be implemented. If not it really would be a waste of time
Oh I want it to be implemented. But as my long post explains. I gave up on that. I only do meta meta now.
There is no point in doing meta, if you feel meta doesn't work is there?
Also I'd like it if that post is starred here, obviously it has attracted some attention. At the moment the 'general agreement' is this is discussion worthy. I'd like to see that reflected in this room.
Disclaimer: This post is quite lenghty. To prevent out of context interpretations I kindly request either reading it in its entirety or not reading it at all. Thank you.
Why am I writing this?
I've been active on the Stack Exchange (SE) network for over a year on a wide variety of different sit...
If the community wants to question ban me, that's what it should do. I'm only here because I have a feeling I can have an impact. That long post of mine gave me hope.
For example this question on meta.SE was closed as a duplicate.
The OP, in his infinite wisdom, edited out the duplicate link!
Why is this allowed?
This should be prevented, or the duplicate question link should be present in the close reason.
Now if any future users (who are not used to the ...
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA I guess I could see that (maybe). You were kind of antagonizing him though. And that's exactly what the answers to the dupes say.
@StevenJeuris The more I think about this idea the more I like it (or something similar, it might be tricky to get it right). There have been many times where I thought a post got a large number of upvotes not because its core point is right, but because it was padded with very-agreeable-but-not-entirely-related points. Better voting granularity (by point instead of post) would help a lot.
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA It proves that the current system works. Dupe posted -> Closed as dupe -> dupe link edited out (by someone who understands the system and knows better) -> Post flagged -> Mod rolls back, and locks to prevent further abuse.
@CodeInChaos Would you rather not have a reaction at all?
> I'm not saying you should tell your community that their feedback sucks, even when it frequently does. That'd be mean. But don't be shy about politely declining requests when you feel they don't make sense, or if you can't see any way they could be reasonably implemented. (You should always reserve the right to change your mind in the future, of course.)
> Sure, it hurts to be rejected – but it hurts far more to be ignored. I believe very, very strongly that if you're honest with your community, they will ultimately respect you more for that.
Hmmm. I didn't think editing and then immediately deleting my answer would bump a question to the front page. Perhaps I should have reversed those two actions.
@TimStone Right. I was thinking that by immediately deleting my answer, the edit would not bump it (since I didn't think deletions bumped - which I guess is correct, per Snoop Shoggy Shog up there).
During my meta meta discussions I've been pointed to use chat instead on a few occasions. I can agree on that point. In order to assess how Meta felt about that, I asked this support question. What I got out of it is this place is a better place to be discussing this. And I agree so far. I just want to be guaranteed a safe haven if these would end up being an equal hostile environment as Meta has been on the subject.
@mootinator Yeah... And there's still the slight problem of being able to edit a deleted post into something horrible, wait for it to drop off active, and then undelete - but this depends on no 10K / mods seeing the edit, which is possible but not a given.
It's always possible to sneak stuff by; but as long as there's no sure thing, we're ok.
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What is the first line mean ? I understand for(int i=0; i<=10;i++).
See my reputation page here:
Where is the +10 rep for the upvote?
I did not seem to get anything for it.
What happened there? Is there something I missed?
