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12:37 AM

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3:18 AM

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/21111372/the-router-help

Pretty sure they're considered cross-site, but I can't verify as the other time they spammed was on SU and they got their account destroyed there.

rene

5:40 AM

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bobble

6:04 AM

I'm sorry for submitting two suggested edits on the latest question; I did the tags and then submitted, saw some stuff in the text to edit, and did that - right as the first edit was approved ...

Rob

@Feeds you're a little late; we moved our own mountains, and resolved the spam issue with an edit and lengthy debate.

bobble

I would recall the second edit if I could, I don't want to look like I'm hunting for rep

Usually I get at least a minute to look at the text over again, but I know I'm not supposed to need it...

Spevacus

Eh, they were reviewed by the post author. Don't worry 'bout it.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

6:43 AM

worrying

!!/worry about it

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard No such command 'worry'.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

:(

@Glorfindel when you get your SO diamond so that you'll be blue on all three chat domains? ;)

So far only SE staff have such privilege. :P

Also, need to update your chat profile. :D

Rob

@rene @sha - made a bunch of edits there fixing grammer, "here" links; and making what was being asked clearer. (rolled back too). Reopening and an answer that there are 3 chat servers might be useful, then re-closeas a dupe to that question.

Incorporated Sha's edits, as they are correct.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

BTW, wonder if that's a real working QR code?

(avatar of this user)

hyper-neutrino

my QR scanner identified and failed to read it

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

6:51 AM

@hyper-neutrino hmm... failed in what way? Does it show some text?

hyper-neutrino

wait hold up

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

holding up

hyper-neutrino

maybe this QR code encodes the text "Failed to read QR code."

i might have been trolled

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

LOL

hahahaha

dies laughing

hyper-neutrino

lmfao. well played, honestly. :P

Ryan M

6:52 AM

uh...hm. I think you're right.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Not my game, lol.. :D

hyper-neutrino

the user's username encodes "Ahmed" in hex

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

huh, he should be more active on Puzzling.

Let me invite him here...

Rob

hyper-neutrino

lmao

yeah i used a second scanner (idk why i have two QR scanner apps on my phone) and it gave the exact same message

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

6:54 AM

:D

hyper-neutrino

but i realized the "Text" header doesn't make sense if there's actually a decoding error

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Never really delved into how QR codes working.

Thought it can only be links.

hyper-neutrino

well a QR code just encodes some block of text

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

hmm

hyper-neutrino

a link is just one such application of encoding a block of text :P

Glorfindel

6:55 AM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard thanks, forgot about that. Now I miss the option to copy changes to all chat servers :)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

So you can in theory encode any file as QR code, even PDF, as base64?

hyper-neutrino

theoretically yes - i'm not sure how much information you can encode though

tripleee

I ended up finding out more than I bargained for when I tried to answer a fairly basic question about QR codes once ... stackoverflow.com/a/25441459/874188

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

53

Q: QR CODE max char length

I've read that QRCODES has about 4,290 alphanumeric chars limit (about 4kb). Is it true and is there any way to increase their memory size? I would like to have more space on if possible: P

qr-code

Not very much. :(

hyper-neutrino

ah :/

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

6:57 AM

@tripleee heh, very nice!

Rob

Should have included: For more info, click "here".

hyper-neutrino

yeah, expected as much

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Glorfindel lol ;)

hyper-neutrino

thing is even with a bijective encoding QR codes can only store so much with the limited set of bits they can encode, and there's also error correcting so that cuts out even more

although, i don't know exactly how the encoding system works and whether there's compression that's done to allow longer strings to be QR-ified

Rob

Just add an URL ^^^

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

6:59 AM

@Rob I got the part about edits, fair enough, but didn't get what you mean by reopening?

And I didn't really edit, only retagged.

Rob

You can hammer open, answer (as suggested / asked in the comments), then re-close as a dupe to the Q&A that explains that there are 3 chat servers

hyper-neutrino

it's probably better to ask a mod to edit the dupe target list

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Rob nah, that would be abuse of my privilege. If anything, can post another answer on the original if it fits. Didn't really look into it yet.

@hyper-neutrino I can also edit.

Rob

That wouldn't be helpful, and would be irrelevant / confusing.

hyper-neutrino

oh, i thought that was a mod tool lol. oops

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

7:02 AM

Dupe hammer gives the power to both close/reopen with single vote, and edit the dupes list at will.

hyper-neutrino

ah

so basically to let you not need to abuse your privilege :p

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Yup

Rob

Jack of all trades.

Well, maybe one. 💨

hyper-neutrino

we don't have a high amount of hammer wielders on codegolf and dupes are usually caught before posting and even when they are hammered/closed there isn't really dispute over what to target

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Reading again, I'm not sure what @rene meant, to be honest. The answer is given in the duplicate target, and is correct, nothing for me to add. @Rob

hyper-neutrino

7:05 AM

i think i've used the edit power only a couple of times and on site meta, not even main site :P

rene

I've flagged all comments to be deleted

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@rene nooooooooo

My precious comments

Rob

Gone with the wind.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

stealing @rene's flag

swoosh

rene

I want to be compensated for the electricity used for those comments ....

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

7:08 AM

sending $0.001 via PayPal

rene

buys ice-cream .... wait ...

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

waiting for ice cream to melt, drinking it as a juice

Rob

At a dollar per second that was at least $600 for a closed question. 🔥💸

So, it should melt pretty quick.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Rob to make it even quicker, can go to Iceland.

Rob

U$15K / 8 / 60 / 60 * 2 = 1.0416666666

Luuklag

7:18 AM

Meh that was too soon

Rob

Cheaper than drone delivery.

It's been going on for half a century, and likely to continue for at least another decade if they work to resolve it quickly; though that's unlikely.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag hmm? Didn't see it. :(

@Rob what has been going on?

Luuklag

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard somehting about balloons related to heat ;)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

I wonder, has anyone here got an email from Andrew Seaman? (LinkedIn)

Luuklag

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard seaman, or semen?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

7:26 AM

@Luuklag lol! :D

@Luuklag oh, it can't really be too soon, lol. And attaching ice cream to explosive balloon will be really mean, causing people to get dirty with ice cream and not just burned. :P

Rob

He is here: porttr.com/en/community/seamens-club

Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard not necessarily PDF file, but hackaday.com/2020/08/17/fitting-snake-into-a-qr-code

Rob

7:48 AM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I see that was edited by one of my fans:

iwasrobbed, San Francisco

45.2k 20 141 190

iphone ruby-on-rails ios objective-c ruby-on-rails-3 ruby jquery

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. :P

@Rob Only fan(s)?

Rob

9

A: QR code compression

If your question is: "Is it possible to store 20K characters in QR Code?", then the answer is yes, it is possible. If your question is: "Is it possible to guarantee you'll always be able to store 20K characters in QR Code to compression?", the answer is no. There is no way to guarantee that, due...

Luuklag

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard What is he selling?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag this, I'd assume.

But only to Fans!

Luuklag

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Carrol Baskin better beware

Rob

7:54 AM

@MetaAndrewT. Fail:

> "Here he found that his knowledge of Assembly was too limited to create a small enough program without investing months into the project.".

😔

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard lol... ny QR code reader gives more info annnd.... I still fell for it

Rob

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Looks like it has four eyes.

Also, I wouldn't write "assume" in the same sentence as that image.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag Rob is behind her! :D

@JourneymanGeek lol

@Rob how so?

Rob

Hey, we feel bad enough for you already:

:)

Meta Andrew T.

8:27 AM

We also fell bad enough for you...

Rob

* feld

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

9:50 AM

@Rob 0.18 for me. Feeling so good my phone is faster than @JourneymanGeek's by whole 0.01 kb per second! :-P

Journeyman Geek

10:01 AM

lol

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard on the other hand, my battery is full so I don't make people anxious

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek lol that's good!

Journeyman Geek

10:17 AM

Apparently this will go from 0-full in 30 minutes on its special charger tho

and I carry a fully charged USB PD power bank (which should top this off, 3-4 times?)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

10:35 AM

@JourneymanGeek power bank.... is there interest rate? ;)

Luuklag

11:19 AM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard It probably is negative then

And you will be charged for it

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard y so slow? Im doing 41 Mbps on 4G

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag I'm not doing much :D

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek Ah thought, that was your top speed for a sec ;)

Journeyman Geek

speedtest.net/my-result/a/7445987505

Luuklag

11:34 AM

Hmm I can't seem to share mine

Smokey, you be messing up on me

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag shitty WiFi at work

If it's working it's slow, and tons of disconnecting.

rene

@Luuklag I think it needs to be in double quotes "spam seed"

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

They say the infrastructure of the building is bad.

@rene yup

rene

I ... don't think I'll go inside a building when its infrastructure is bad. Isn't that needed to keep it from falling apart ....

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

11:53 AM

Well the building wasn't built for Hi-Tech companies, it's for light industry.

That's my company major branch, or at least was.

But we're still stuck in same building. :/

I just turn off WiFi when I want to use the phone for anything, lol. :D

Luuklag

@rene yeah that true

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

12:20 PM

tru dat

Rob

12:39 PM

@JourneymanGeek Singtel is a SpeedTest winner: speedtest.net/awards/singapore/2017/…

> "Singtel is Singapore's Speedtest Awards Winner for mobile network speed during Q1-Q2 2017. To win this award, Singtel achieved a Speed Score of 47.49, with average download speeds of 52.06 Mbps and average upload speeds of 19.38 Mbps.".

Journeyman Geek

@Rob I'm not on singtel :D

I'm just using their test server

I'm on circles and My Republic, both of which are MVNOs on M1's network

Rob

Well, at least you know that the other end is quick. I used to use the same default server and be satisfied with the result,then I changed to a different one far away; almost twice as quick. Some places and routes were just slow - it's evened out a fair bit the past few years.

My local shopping mall has Wi-Fi almost 2x Singtel speeds. The phone's chipsets play a big part, I have LTE CAT18 (1200/211 Mbps).

Journeyman Geek

Wifi and cellular networks are ... not the same :D

ANyway, I posted that to show I had a speed faster than 18kbps :D

Rob

1:01 PM

True, WiFi is bound to be slower.

Modern cellular chipsets are at 2000-7500 Mbits/s - if you can grab the towers:

Qualcomm Snapdragon LTE modem

The Qualcomm Snapdragon modems are a series of 4G LTE, LTE Advanced, LTE Advanced Pro, and 5G NR modems found in many phones, tablets, laptops, watches and even cars. == Qualcomm Gobi == The Qualcomm Gobi series was their modem branding before they switched to the X-series. == Qualcomm 4G X-series == The Qualcomm Snapdragon X-series modems are the current line-up of 4G LTE modems. === Snapdragon X5 LTE Modem === LTE Technology: LTE FDD, Cellular Technology: WCDMA (3C-HSDPA, DC-HSUPA), WCDMA (DC-HSDPA, HSUPA), WCDMA (DC-HSDPA, DC-HSUPA), TD-SCDMA, CDMA 1x, EV-DO, GSM/EDGE Downlink LTE:...

My phone is a few years old,so barely cracks a gig.

Journeyman Geek

Current phone's a snapdragon 888, so it'll do 5g. Not really well supported here yet tho

Rob

1:25 PM

That's not the only problem with 5G: techevaluate.com/how-much-will-5g-data-really-cost-you - If you don't pay for an "unlimited" plan you can rack up $300/day in data charges. If you do pay an extra $100+ per month it's really only the first 20GB that's (mostly) unlimited, if a couple of dozen other people are using the towers you get a huge speed drop at all times; and once you're past 20GB your speed is cut no matter what.

You have to pay a fortune, to not get what you pay for - if there's even a 5G tower nearby, and you need several to really get the performance while sharing the antennas.

Journeyman Geek

@Rob got an unlimited plan

Well 100gb at full speed then it throttles, but I have 3 months rolled over

(Cause I teather at work)

Luuklag

1:41 PM

@Rob That are some hefty charges, where is that?

I just looked it up what it would cost for me to get 5G

at "unlimited" Gb/month, including unlimitted calls and texts its EUR32,50

where unlimited cuts you off after 8 GB each day, to be expanded with 2 GB via text

Rob

I have data turned off, and rely on Wi-Fi (we have really great hotspot density); so I kind of have free unlimited, at a much lower speed (but I never experience buffering, even trying to watch a 4K video on my phone). North America is good that way, but not for 5G; apparently South Korea is best overall: opensignal.com/2021/02/03/benchmarking-the-global-5g-experience (speed / no throttle / latency, etc.)

rene

Thanks @YaakovEllis for the answer on the User Data question. Enjoy your Bounty ... ;)

2

Luuklag

@Rob we're apparently very good at uploading xD

Yaakov Ellis

@rene and thanks for keeping the question and bounty respectful and constructive, even though the topic is one that can obviously evoke strong feelings

Luuklag

But our coverage is only 13% according to that article, albeit being fall 2020

It must be much higher these days

Journeyman Geek

1:53 PM

@Luuklag lol. I downloaded a TV show from my home server... and didn't watch it so...

@Rob No wifi at work - work supplies a really terribad hotspot so I just teather and use data frivolously

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek yeah my work mobile also has a really shitty dataplan, with only H, connection...

So usually I end up using my own phone

And making sure I turn off the file sync

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/21975541/liza-akter?tab=accounts

Rob

@Luuklag The "article" is fairly recent, but the "data" (for the charts) is Dec 2020. They have an article that's a few days old, limited to Asia: opensignal.com/2021/06/14/… - with more recent data.

Luuklag

@Rob I think around the turn of the year there were companies advertising having nation wide coverage

Rob

2:09 PM

@JourneymanGeek In many areas we can walk 5-20 blocks with continuous coverage on Wi-Fi, then there's isolated hotspots, and back to another dense area a few more blocks away. We're a couple of years away from allowing us Wi-Fi only (cheapo people) to enjoy reasonable phone bills.

Luuklag

But then you keep switching networks all the time?

I know when I was in the USA that there were like public WiFi at malls, and amusement parks etc.

Rob

@Luuklag "Nationwide", like "unlimited"; IE: not really nationwide.

Luuklag

@Rob yeah, probably 90-95%

mostly rural area's being left out

Which is not too uncommon

Rob

@Luuklag It depends on which one you connect with in the first place. If you choose the one with the most hotspots then it's continuous, if you don't it's sort of ROT (TOR backwards); which is way better than it sounds - there's no hiccups.

Luuklag

And once you're auto-logged in to most networks it becomes easier and easier ofcourse

@Ollie Already posted that one above

And don't forget to link to the network profiles tab ;)

Saves Jnat an extra click

Ollie

2:20 PM

@Luuklag Oops

Removed so as not to confuse JNat

Luuklag

@Ollie He'll just find a 404, no big deal, that happens now and then

Ollie

Maybe they'll try Meta next...

Another.

Rob

If you mean JNat, he won't get 404s, just a note that it's deleted.

user707129

4:40 PM

@JNat Why didn't Travel get any community ads?

hyper-neutrino

@Xnero this post has a list of sites that got community ads - it's just the sites that got at least one ad to the minimum score of 6 in 2020

JNat

^^^ that

which I was typing :P

hyper-neutrino

:P

user707129

4:57 PM

@JNat But we had an ad with a score of 6 every other year...

user707129

Can an exception be made?

JNat

I only looked at activity last year to choose the sites, @Xnero — the trial will only run 'til the end of the year, though, so Travel might be making the cut in the next cycle ;)

The list was shorter solely because this involves a lot of manual labor for me

user707129

@JNat Can you not have a script which posts all the questions?

JNat

for the next cycle, depending on how the trial goes, we may do it on all eligible sites again, or... dunno

@Xnero I need to go over all the ads, though

also, while I could have a script, yes, I don't ;P

that's an important distinction in this case

depending on how this goes, I'm hoping for more automation to be a possibility, for sure

user707129

How did you do it in previous years then?

user707129

5:08 PM

Post every question manually?

user334271

got wonderful answer to my yesterdeys questn

user334271

posted it as a self answered questin

user334271

in software recommendationsz

rene

5:28 PM

nice!

Rob

Anyone else getting connection resets and some pages not completely loading on MSE: meta.stackexchange.com/questions?tab=Newest approx 60-70% of the time? (North America)

JNat

@Xnero yes

rene

@Rob not for me. I'm coming from across the pond to SE datacentre

Rob

Sits there for a minute a bit more than half the time, fails immediately sometimes.

Same on other SE.com sites, but not on SO.com; which loads instantly everytime.

rene

5:44 PM

I don't have that fancy progress thingy ....

Rob

At least it's a touchscreen and braille:

It's back to snappy, with 10% of the time almost quick; with the slightest pause.

user707129

7:54 PM

@rene That's a very big pond!

rene

Took 6 to 8 to fill it. Don't ask about the big dig ....

Rob

8:19 PM

> "The Pond is a term often used by British and American speakers in reference to the Northern Atlantic Ocean, as a form of meiosis, or sarcastic understatement. The term dates to as early as 1640 first appearing in print in pamphlet released during the reign of Charles I, and reproduced in 1869 in Nehemiah Wallington's Historical Notices

> of Events Occurring Chiefly in The Reign of Charles I, where "great Pond" is used in reference to the Atlantic Ocean by Francis Windebank, Charles I's Secretary of State.".

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Ocean

Journeyman Geek

9:28 PM

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user707129

9:44 PM

@Rob Didn’t know that it dates back that early.

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