Tavern on the Meta

1:58 AM

@KevinB Yes it certainly makes a difference which fonts you use, and what your screen resolution is. Here's yours screenshot compared to mine. Apparently they didn't change the fonts for Android, so things stayed as they were.

Kevin B

from home

here the font looks a lot thinner in general

Rob

Still not good, fuzzy.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Why did they change it in the first place again?

Needed to fill a quota of "changes the community gave no input on"?

Kevin B

we don't really know

forest distrusts StackExchange

I read a claim that it was so they didn't have to load fonts over the network, but isn't that what CDNs are for? For the same reason that they don't need to serve jquery themselves...

Kevin B

2:01 AM

i mean

we still load jquery

doubt that's the real reason

forest distrusts StackExchange

Yeah but from Google, not from SE.

Exactly. Sounds like an excuse (or someone who misunderstood website optimization).

Kevin B

just a valid reason

forest distrusts StackExchange

The increase in font size that's coming is more irritating to me. Already SE's fonts are larger than on most websites.

Rob

> "Arial was first created in 1982, and has served the web well for decades. But technology moves on. Modern system typefaces look better on both new high DPI screens, and old screens alike. Apple’s San Francisco and Microsoft’s Segoe both look great on retina displays, have more expressive weights, and improve readability across all contexts. With more weights, we can have better hierarchy. We can also get more expressive.".

forest distrusts StackExchange

So we all have Retina displays? Because they look worse on mine.

Thankfully I use Linux 99.95% of the time...

Kevin B

2:07 AM

i have just a 24" 1080p

my normal monitor is a 19

normal SO browsing*

Rob

Just use MathJax.

forest distrusts StackExchange

MathJax is great.

I just forget the keywords needed for various symbols half the time.

Like \phi and \bigoplus are easy to remember, but not so much \ell.

Journeyman Geek

3:18 AM

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Actually - I've the opposite issue, I would like bigger fonts and more width

(I actually am pondering asking a question about custom stylesheets, which might solve both our issues)

I'm not quite sure if its a good fit for meta 😅 though

Rob

3:31 AM

46

Q: Custom Fonts User Script: Revert or Improve the Font Updates

Recently, Stack Exchange decided to switch to system fonts. For those of you who prefered the old appearance, or would like a different font to appear in code blocks or across the site as a whole, Custom Fonts is a user script I wrote this morning to allow just that. Features Custom Fonts allows ...

Journeyman Geek

@Rob oh, preferring a stylesheet here since I want to make a bunch of specific changes on the fly - the current stylus one I am using is 'ok' other than a bunch of other things

currently using meta.stackexchange.com/questions/364048/…

Journeyman Geek

4:13 AM

Done

I'm not really happy with a 'teach me to fish' question, but its better than a "gimme a fish" question :D

Meta Andrew T.

@JourneymanGeek based on my attempt on Android.SE Chat Material Design, it's basically.... trial and error ._.

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. I'd love to give SE a headache over chat at some point :D

Also eh I would need to know more to trial and error :D

Meta Andrew T.

need CSS selector tool in the first place, e.g.

45

Q: How can I get the CSS Selector in Chrome?

I want to be able to select/highlight an element on the page and find its selector like this: div.firstRow div.priceAvail>div>div.PriceCompare>div.BodyS I know you can see the selection on the bottom after doing an inspect element, but how can I copy this path to the clipboard? In Firebug...

google-chrome web-scraping

Feeds

4:45 AM

stackoverflow.blog/2021/05/18/…

Meta Andrew T.

@Feeds coin-cidence?

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek I now have a hankering for making a poster that says "teach me to give" with Buddha or Gandhi in the background

Meta Andrew T.

5:08 AM

@M.A.R. fish me a fish

Mithical

@JourneymanGeek feels more like a SA question

M.A.R.

5:29 AM

@Mithical South Asian? Can confirm

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. Angry evil Civ Ghandi?

@Mithical stackapps?

Possibly!

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek he was giving to the world as well. Why not

Mithical

5:48 AM

@JourneymanGeek yeah

Journeyman Geek

6:13 AM

I kinda know MSE better + I figure I could ask to have it migrated if so.

(not do it myself, its a conflict of interest :D )

Luuklag

7:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek just to let you know, I VTC'd your question about a stylesheet as not about the tools that power the network

To me your question reads more like a software development question

Journeyman Geek

7:28 AM

@Luuklag No issue with that

I do see it as a vaguely backdoor accessibility tool, and well - something of interest now

I'll get someone to review if it should be migrated later. I'm out getting a new mouse. 😁

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

8:36 AM

@Luuklag k

Benefit of working from home: can take shower in the middle of the day. :D

Luuklag

then water is cheaper then? ;)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag lol no, but I have more time to sleep, as normally I shower before going to bed. ;)

SPArcheon

9:23 AM

There was once upon a time a site that shall not be named where Experts could Exchange answers. Jeff really liked it, so much that he wanted to create his own version.
That site had an awesome feature: answers were invisible and you had to pay to see them... or maybe not, since apparently they were just hidden under a big pile of ads you had to scroll down.
After many years Jeff dream of having his personal version of that site is finally done, and we too love to hide SO content under a "find the hidden link to access the question, everything else will take you to advertisement" homepage.

Rob

@JourneymanGeek That's how my Review turned out, the other votes were for OT; so if the Banner lumps me in, don't blame me.

Journeyman Geek

@Rob I'm not going to overrule the community cause its my post. There's no blame for civic duty

besides, If I really wanted to monkeywrench a closure I'd just bounty it when possible :D

Tinkeringbell

9:50 AM

Funny. Is everyone just as apologetic when closing questions that aren't Geek's? :D

Journeyman Geek

Hopefully? :D

Rob

Normally we're a Q&A Format but with announcements the (so-called) answers are feedback on the Announcement (question); so your Question isn't OT, because it's reasonable to ask on MSE (and we're barely far enough after the Announcement to post a new question), but most of all it's probably better suited for another site (StackApps, request) - or your Question is a comment on the Feedback link you showed me previously,

a few comments ago: meta.stackexchange.com/a/364271/282094

Journeyman Geek

I figured if I was asking about getting a script or wrote a script, stackapps would work

If it was documenting the stuff you needed to do a user style...

But I'm not infallible. :D

Rob

... but there's no 'move question to comment on another answer' button.

Programming questions about 'fixing fonts/layout/readability etc.' are accepted on MSO: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/283852/3648282 meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=user+style+font+

Journeyman Geek

10:06 AM

Other than I've nowhere near the skills to give a MVCE

M.A.R.

10:17 AM

@JourneymanGeek flags for closure spitefully

Rob

@JourneymanGeek The Firefox desktop browser has quite a few settings for font style and size that might help: support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/… - probably there are similar settings under Accessibility for most browsers if you're not using FF.

Journeyman Geek

@Rob I'm pretty fixed on vivaldi.

SPArcheon

10:37 AM

@Tinkeringbell spelling error, remove one "e". It is just "Gek".

Rob

@JourneymanGeek Vivaldi is fairly good, here you go:

The Best of Vivaldi

►

Not so much "apologetic" but if there's a fair review question (why does your review not agree with the majority) that's politely asked (or looming) I'm not opposed to clarify any misunderstanding or attempts to derail the conversation:

in Discussion on question by Franck Dernoncourt: How can I sort users by how many of my questions they close voted?, Jul 25 '20 at 1:46, by Rob

Since I've been pointed out as a frequent close voter: My closes are for dupes: 1, 2, 3, etc., more a case of stalking the Queue and not Franck (save for his ability to spot dupes and avoid such closures) - Franck has also offered thank you comments.

Yikes, just what we asked for ☹️ - Banner ADs for HNQs: meta.stackexchange.com/q/364556/282094

JNat

10:53 AM

@Rob though they won't be "hot" any more :)

and they don't need to be banners either :)

it could be that what comes out of the discussion around this post is an agreement by all parties that maybe those "hot" questions shouldn't be on banners unless they're on the same site, for instance

could be that banners are reserved for same-site ads instead :)

Journeyman Geek

it almost feels like that should be spun out into its own question :D

Rob

Yes, it's just that a couple of days ago (and often in the past) people spend their time griping about HNQs. - The return of Community ADs is excellent.

JNat

@JourneymanGeek can be answers there too, though? Just to keep things in one place. Obviously if it becomes too convoluted and hard to follow a separate one might be better, but starting with keeping it all there would be preferable :)

for me, at least :P

rene

Looks like someone knows the community ...

Journeyman Geek

@JNat Well, up to you. I might be thinking of a certain unwealdy monolithic question your poor design team needs to deal with :D

Rob

11:10 AM

Can't just have a third Question Featured ...

Mad Scientist

Banner ads aren't shown to users with a bit more rep, or? I think that might be a problem for this use case

Meta Andrew T.

11:20 AM

@MadScientist 200 reps, but they can re-enable it if they want

Ekadh Singh

11:49 AM

What was the purpose of putting a cap of 2 on featured posts?

Journeyman Geek

@EkadhSingh Its proooobaby somewhere on meta

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/130621/… looks like space?

Ekadh Singh

Thank you :)

Mithical

12:11 PM

> Finally, ads can not be promoting products or soliciting programmer time or resources for knowledge sharing projects that are competitive to Stack Overflow, broadly construed.

🤔

248

A: Open Source Advertising — 1H 2020

Wonder what prompted that...

Journeyman Geek

@Mithical technically there's an ad for topanswers too

Mithical

Yeah but that's not the top voted answer there.

Luuklag

12:31 PM

yeah give me some karma

great if its organic

Meta Andrew T.

Man... I love Flack Overstow...

Journeyman Geek

gets the giant hose and hoses the bears down

Luuklag

Would it be usefull to make the community user a bit more violent? For example a person posts a first post, has no other linked accounts, and that post is nuked as spam, the account itself also gets nuked

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag but of a risk of false positives

Luuklag

12:49 PM

How high would that risk be? 1% maybe 2%

Tinkeringbell

Still, destroying isn't really something we can 'undo', so better not have the risk.

Meta Andrew T.

@Luuklag as high as SD's false positive on auto-flags?

Luuklag

@MetaAndrewT. which would be?

Spevacus

@Luuklag Smokey's autoflagging TP rate currently sits at 99.41%

I'll note that a few recent autoflagged FPs have taken that number down slightly only very recently, but it's still pretty darn accurate.

Journeyman Geek

@Spevacus nuking is still quite destructive

Spevacus

12:57 PM

Yeah I'm not advocating for that change, just showcasing the Smokey stat atm.

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek would that leave their email useless?

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag ah.

No

they can recreate and get suspended

But I have/had a proposal to do email blocklists to stop spam and that didn't get anywhere

Spevacus

Some sort of rate limiting when a brand new user gets their answer deleted via R/A flags would be nice though.

Meta Andrew T.

@Spevacus I believe there's already that though

Spevacus

Too many times have we nuked a post with rude flags only for that same user to go and post the same, or worse, answer to another question.

Repeat until natural rate limit is hit >_>

Meta Andrew T.

1:02 PM

Hard to explain more without spilling the mod's tool...

Spevacus

I won't say a word ;)

Kidding, I trust you if you say so.

Meta Andrew T.

instead, I use the already spilled one

Spevacus

Hmmm.

> and also if the user gets a certain amount of offensive flags which get validated, then the user gets an IP block.

So in the cases I was in, they just didn't hit the requisite number of flags to get smacked with a block.

The block extending network-wide is nice, though.

Thanks!

Meta Andrew T.

No prob!

Luuklag

@Luuklag I wasn't the first to think of this:

32

Q: Automatically destroy unregistered users when their only post gets the red flag treatment

Unregistered (operative word #1) users with only one post (operative word #2) that got deleted by Community (operative word #3) after spam or offensive flags should be deleted/destroyed automatically. These posts are typically made by: hit and run trolls who'll never come back, and just waste...

feature-request users spam

Wow, anyone remembers me ranting about my time reporting yesterday

I thought I'd open the console today to see what happens.

on page load there are 268 POST calls done to the DB

taking 26355 ms

or over 26 seconds

rene

1:25 PM

Is it a microservice architecture?

Luuklag

microservice?

rene

New cool thing. Netflix does it so it must be awesome.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

lol

rene

Are those 268 calls to fetch the 268 fields that are on the page?

Luuklag

This probably is way older. It's by Exact

@rene yeah that appears to be the case

and guess what, their all 0, except for 1 column

rene

1:28 PM

LOL

Luuklag

And every time I enter a single value, they make a call as well

But they don't save the changes untill I acutally press the submit button

rene

Pfff, they problably try to have a live Viewmodel for all users. And the submit is to record the actual state change of the system/page .... :facepalm:

Luuklag

@rene which makes 0 sense to have, since there might only be 1 other person watching my values

and they have no use in them untill they are submitted

rene

Maybe that is advertized as: No data loss when the network connection breaks.

Luuklag

1:51 PM

haha, submitting the data makes the same calls again, taking the same time :/

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@SilentKiller @BabaYaga and all the rest living in India, are you all OK? Just saw what hit you...

Tinkeringbell

India is quite a bit bigger than that one spot ;) How do you know it hit them?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Tinkeringbell well "hit your country"

They might be in the range, or not, hopefully not. :)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard That was my point ;)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Tinkeringbell .

:D

Tinkeringbell

2:02 PM

Thanks. I like my point :)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Small, but useful.

rene

2:16 PM

You both have a .

Kevin B

i mean, it's a big storm

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Yup in those things, size do matter. :/

Luuklag

Shadow, i saw a vid claiming israeli air defence fighting against hamas. but then i saw a fighterjet. I dont think Hamas even has jets right

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag correct

They have "only" rockets.

It's not a full scale battle between countries, it's more like big scale guerilla fighting. In the past, it ended in IDF entering on foot and causing LOTS more victims, so we try to avoid that if possible.

Luuklag

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard yeah it aint pretty either way

well time to go pick up the kids

another day spent on meetings that could've been emails \o/

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

2:30 PM

Think I found something that might help to explain... when a terrorist attack people, be it with a knife, gun, bomb, etc....it's only one person attacking whole nation. It's not like he can take over that nation. Just cause damage. He still must be stopped, and if damage already done, the nation should do its best to prevent others from following same path.

That's how it is here. Each rocket launched on place with innocent people is act of terror.

@Luuklag yeah, typical. :D

@Luuklag kids today are with new babysitter, who is active volleyball player in Israel's top league. lol

Since they earn almost nothing, he look for any source of income.

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag in a symmetric war... hamas wouldn't last very long

rene

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I would not say volleyball is huge in the netherlands but a top player can probably be a full time athelete and have a decent income.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@rene yeah, here they can't. Or he's just being greedy, which I doubt, as babysitting isn't that fun.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I guess games and training is kinda hard in the time of covid?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek it's already behind us, sports are all back to full activity.

But yeah, he had a rough year, so maybe still leaking the financial wounds.

And now time to go spend some money in the super market. Cya! :D

rene

2:45 PM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard bring something to snack. I'm hungry.

Rob

^^ He already pays more than 2x for his food.

Rob

3:07 PM

@EkadhSingh There has been three before; could still fit.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

3:36 PM

@rene here you go!

rene

\o/

SPArcheon

rene

3:58 PM

Ooohhh, yummy

SPArcheon

Also a reminder that thanks to some "haterworkthatdidntneedtoexist", I will forever need to be quite specific if I am looking for a picture of a mlp themed cupcake.