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1:29 AM

@forestdistrustsStackExchange - tbf, due to sheer scale, SO rep kinda gets 'inflated'

Also, shockingly, high rep alone dosen't mean you 'get' the system

@JourneymanGeek Related to this is what Catija talked about in the comments today. I think this should be explored a bit more.

Journeyman Geek

@Spevacus well it can be true on smaller sites :D

Spevacus

:)

Journeyman Geek

Rep can mean "I'm really good at SE, I'm really good at the subject, or I just keep throwing stuff at the wall and some of it sticks"

Especially if you're an early user

I've often thought of doing a thomas pornin, starting a new account anonymously and seeing what happened

but y'all would probably figure it out from the its and it's :D

forest distrusts StackExchange

@JourneymanGeek Yeah that's true... I rarely ever use SO, so I tend to underestimate its size.

Spevacus

1:52 AM

I once caught myself complaining about the amount of garbage we get on MSE (blatantly off-topic questions) - ... To an SO mod.

forest distrusts StackExchange

haha

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Spevacus now, if it was @ChrisF... :D

Spevacus

I can only imagine the amount of work Chris F does that's not visible whatsoever to most users.

Journeyman Geek

Well - ideally most mod work should be invisible :D

I'm a bit crap at that

Rob

2:47 AM

@Spevacus Yes, it outlines the issue well; which she demonstrated in chat earlier today, and several previous occasions.

After posting 5 long reply comments, she notices that they are talking about a different site. Specific expertise is necessary in the subject area to edit/review (arguably, even to vote meaningfully), if two sites were true duplicates they ought to be merged; but none are really, and each has their own in-jokes / idiosyncrasies / followings / and specificity.

Journeyman Geek

3:03 AM

@Rob certain bias here but...

that shoulda been brought up on site meta

Feeds

3:25 AM

"I've traveled here from the year 2020 to bring you this vaccine!"

Catija

4:16 AM

@Rob That's not exactly what happened. The first handful were written long before the rest and I was well aware of it being about SU at the time... and then I went away for a while, posted 13 meta posts on different sites... and then didn't remember that specific post was about SU when I came back several hours later.

Journeyman Geek

:D

Also - while meta's been taking up more of my time, I'm unaware of a request on SU for adjusting the closure threshold

Catija

@Spevacus I've posted my thoughts about rep being bad for privileges in a few places. I like to hint at things and see how people react to them.

Don't even get me started on "rep is bad for electing mods".

Journeyman Geek

lol

>_>

<_<

(I don't actually think I ever got elected/appointed for my rep, but one never knows)

Catija

I didn't even say anything SO specific until I started talking about the edit review queue being full most of the time. :P

@JourneymanGeek Eh, the candidate score is where I'm struggling. 20k is a lot more than is really needed for mods. 3k is good - probably enough in a lot of cases - but stuff like meta participation, flagging, actually reviewing - those sorts of things are better than just pure rep.

Ryan M

While we're griping about rep, you probably also shouldn't be able to hit 25k rep from a single post :-p

Journeyman Geek

4:25 AM

@Catija 20K's important not cause of rep, its cause of tool access

Catija

That's at 10k

And it's at 7k on beta sites.

... maybe less.

Ryan M

IIRC it's 2k on beta sites, 4k for deleting answers/edit tag wikis without review

Catija

Ah, OK. I think 7k is the site analytics.

2k seems low but I'm too lazy to confirm. :P

apparently that is correct. :)

Ryan M

@Catija at risk of excessive corrections, I'm afraid that one's 5k

Catija

I'm going to lose my cred.

:P

Y'all will think I'm out of touch. Memorizing rep requirements is like knowing the periodic table for a Chemist. ;)

Journeyman Geek

4:35 AM

lol

THIS is why multiple screens are good

open up the charts, pretend you know everything

Catija

I swear there was something at 7k for betas.

Ugh, clearly I'm just getting old and forgetting everything.

Or it's one of the alternate universe things ... whatever those are called.

Journeyman Geek

Mandela effect/berenstein bears?

Catija

That thing, yes.

Journeyman Geek

Tina Turner singing holding out for a hero?

(the last one is just me)

Catija

HAHA I was going to say.

Journeyman Geek

4:42 AM

I have a distinct memory of them showing Mad Max 3 with a MTV of Tina Turner singing it...

youtube.com/watch?v=Gcm-tOGiva0 is the version that's real

And I DISTINCTLY remember the same set and stuff...

Wierdly I didn't know about the Bonnie Tyler cover till YEARS later

Journeyman Geek

6:02 AM

Ok, I'm being slightly braindead here... but

with respect to this

56

Q: We're switching to system fonts on May 10, 2021

TL;DR We’re shipping system fonts as our default font stack. We plan to do this on May 10th, 2021. What? We’re planning on specifying system fonts on Stack Overflow and the Stack Exchange Network. On macOS and iOS, you’ll see things set in San Francisco. On Windows, you’ll see Segoe. On Android y...

Wouldn't it be the browser defaults?

Meta Andrew T.

6:14 AM

@JourneymanGeek did you mean OS default? My Chrome on Mac has Times, Helvetica, and Courier as default fonts

Journeyman Geek

My browser has its own defaults

Meta Andrew T.

and I believe it's Chrome's factory setting, since I don't have a memory of changing them

so.. looks like they're now enforcing the font to be based on OS instead

Journeyman Geek

Which is wierd

or someone's misunderstanding something

since its also easier to change the browser default than the OS default

+ If it follows the browser default, I'll be changing to source sans/source code pro on my end

Luuklag

6:38 AM

Well you better go ask a question on the announcement then ;)

Catija

@JourneymanGeek My understanding is, no. I did ask about whether it would allow people to customize the font to their own, such as dyslexia fonts and that seems to not be the case. I'm not quite sure what it does but I think maybe we know your OS and serve the font we've assigned to that OS based on the list we created?

Does... that make any sense at all?

Luuklag

Wouldn't it be more likely that your computer has a variable "system-font" somewhere?

And you direct the browser to use that?

Meta Andrew T.

@JourneymanGeek Sorry, looks like my statement murk the water... I should have said "the font that SE has predefined, based on your OS", if that makes sense

Luuklag

Also, isn't it like the middle of the night, for at least one of you two @Catija , @JourneymanGeek

Catija

It's almost 2am here. Morning in Singapore. ... almost noon, maybe?

Journeyman Geek

6:43 AM

2 pm

I'm exactly 12 hours off

Catija

Ah so we're exactly opposite.

Luuklag

@Catija that's some real dedication there ;)

Catija

Blame @JourneymanGeek :P

Luuklag

Might also explain why you keep forgetting things ;)

Catija

I got four hours Monday night, six tuesday night... I guess only five tonight. So... probably.

Luuklag

6:45 AM

Haha same here, Haven't slept more then 5,5 hours a night this week

Was just busy doing stuff, and then it turned out to be 1 am every time

and the alarm goes at 6

Meta Andrew T.

(apparently "murk" is not a verb... what should be a better phrase...)

rene

The Work-Life balance is awesome, Awake/Sleep not so much

Catija

That was how I was today and yesterday. Monday I had to take my older son to the hospital at 7 pm (fractured collarbone) and got home at 11 and had to bake muffins for teacher appreciation, so ended up awake until 3 am.

Tinkeringbell

@MetaAndrewT. muddied.

I think.

Catija

@Luuklag Andy kindly lets me sleep in until 7. :D

rene

6:48 AM

@Catija oof, that is tough ... How is your son doing now? And you?

Meta Andrew T.

@Tinkeringbell ah, that's right, thanks!

Catija

@rene Mostly OK. Apparently collarbones heal up really well and quickly. He's not in a ton of pain and just has to wear a sling at school - mostly to remind the other kids to be gentle with him. If things go well, he can probably ditch that next week.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija Ah, slings, the E-Collar of humanity

Catija

I'm probably going to take most of Friday off other than meetings - hopefully the 3-vote close/reopen stuff won't dredge up a bunch of drama.

But I don't think it will.

Tinkeringbell

@Catija Well, and if it does, there's always Monday :)

Catija

6:51 AM

Mondays are hard because of too many meetings.

Tinkeringbell

Heh, that's everyday here lately...

Fingers crossed nothing happens though

Luuklag

@Catija ouch, tough one. How is your son now?

Ah you already told :)

@Tinkeringbell same here, monday is meetingday

Don't know who thought of that

rene

Uh: meta.stackexchange.com/q/364110 Maybe flag r/a?

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag I mean, I wish I had one meetingday. And having it on Monday would mean both a bit of a slow start to the week :P

So far, the last 3-6 weeks have been on average 5 hours of meetings each day, and work having to be done in between those :|

@rene Definitely flag r/a, but it's already gone :)

Journeyman Geek

@rene known troll

Luuklag

7:01 AM

@Tinkeringbell well yeah, monday is the day that's almost only meetings, other days are also meetings

but also some work

Tinkeringbell

I'm almost considering 'tropenrooster', just starting really, really early so I can get more than 90 minutes of uninterrupted programming/testing done.

rene

@JourneymanGeek ah, I didn't notice. Thanks for the info

Journeyman Geek

@rene I really should be keeping better track of this

Might be a job for team smokey but its a new cartoon and text each time

rene

@JourneymanGeek charcoal has a q/a in their SO for teams.

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