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I remember having seen a screenshot of a Linux terminal-only (text) web browser, like links or lynx, but this one was able to render images (in color) using ASCII art. Unfortunately I don't remember the name. Does anyone know it, or have a suggestion for a similar software?

Journeyman Geek

I think I used lynx for a few months

Before we got "real" WWW, there was an add on to our interactive teletext service that let you browse text only internet

rene

@Rob I remember answering this one: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/384758/…

Journeyman Geek

@Rob It would be nice to be able to use SE on a terminal

One of the SREs kinda had a webapp for that but it kinda went dead

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

1:34 PM

@TeresaDietrich can I quote this in my Den? :)

Teresa Dietrich

quote what?

Journeyman Geek

14 mins ago, by Teresa Dietrich

if things on the Internet just worked, a lot of us would have to find new careers

^ @TeresaDietrich

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

yeah this ;)

Teresa Dietrich

totally

i say it all the time

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

:)

Tinkeringbell

1:35 PM

So far, I've been working on the internet, and it's going fine. Better than in an office :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

Work is completely airgapped :D

@Tinkeringbell If not for pesky things like hackers and national security, I could probably do my job at home :D

rene

@JourneymanGeek this one: stackapps.com/questions/542/…

Teresa Dietrich

i used to enjoy working in the Data Center rooms, white noise, nice and cool and no people to bother me

Journeyman Geek

@rene I remembered it was Mark - but not the app

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

oh no, too long

Tinkeringbell

1:37 PM

@TeresaDietrich If the office space is 'open' enough... the noise of all the people itself becomes white noise. But there's always that one annoying laugh...

Journeyman Geek

@TeresaDietrich sadly I've only had one of those jobs. In the current one, we'd only hit the server room if it literally caught fire ._.

Also working on hardware is fun :D

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek To an extent, there are coworkers at this client that can't work from home either, same security reasons ;)

Teresa Dietrich

I started at AOL back in like '96 so I got a lot of data center time

Rob

+1 for acknowledging the console-lovers and treating them to this! — Nathan Osman Jun 5 '10 at 0:43

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

in Shadow's Den, 13 secs ago, by Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

room topic changed to Shadow's Den: Where words are being associated and wizards are lurking. Ping @Shadow at will, others at your own risk! Quotes to remember: 1) "No two people are the same, but everyone is worth the same." (@Zoe), 2) "If things on the Internet just worked, a lot of us would have to find new careers" (@TeresaDietrich, Tavern) [camper-naruto] [fox] [fun] [hedgehogs] [king-little-naruto] [mooses] [pee] [ping] [princesses] [shadows] [wizards] [wolf] [word-association-game]

:-D

Journeyman Geek

1:39 PM

@Tinkeringbell I mean, you've probably heard me complain about my job too much :D

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

oh wait time to update tags, I guess. lol

rene

My experience with Data Centers is that I often got escorted out ...

Journeyman Geek

@rene head first or feet first?

Rob

Oops, that hooked the wrong comment - sorry Teresa.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek It evens out :P I complain about mine too :P

rene

1:40 PM

@JourneymanGeek whatever rocked their boat

Rob

Darn KBD.

Journeyman Geek

whatever sunk their battleship?

Teresa Dietrich

I miss data centers

Ekadh Singh

Why does this room have the waffles tag?

Journeyman Geek

@TeresaDietrich I think anyone who worked with real hardware does to an extent.

Tinkeringbell

1:41 PM

@EkadhSingh Old joke. It's replaced by stroopwafels now, mostly.

rene

@EkadhSingh because waffles

Journeyman Geek

@EkadhSingh You had to wear your SO Shirt and eat waffles

it was the old laws.

Tinkeringbell

112

A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: Waffles. Originator: Eric Cultural Height: Late August and Early September, 2009 Background: Eric just really likes waffles, and apparently so does everyone else who has even a shred of decent humanity. Those who do not like waffles may also be Vampires and hat...

Journeyman Geek

(and heh, I miss the slightly janky server room at the studio - and the work in general, but waaay to unpredictable)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@rene at least the escort guys/girls looked good? :P

Journeyman Geek

1:42 PM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard it might have been a bit... blur

Feeds

Getting started with… TypeScript

Medi Madelen Gwosdz on May 05, 2021

A look at how to get started with TypeScript.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Dunno but being escorted out by people with guns and suits is rather... exciting. :D

Ekadh Singh

@Tinkeringbell Okay that makes sense. Thx :)

rene

@TeresaDietrich isn't it time again for an upgrade? Maybe ask the team if you can help out. Last time seemed fun: blog.serverfault.com/2015/03/05/… ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard or weedkiller

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

1:44 PM

@JourneymanGeek ?

status-no-weed-for-me

;)

Journeyman Geek

How else would you threaten a blurry flower? :D

Teresa Dietrich

There is a big refresh of HW going on but they don't let me touch machines anymore either in person or virtually

Tinkeringbell

@EkadhSingh No problem.

Journeyman Geek

@TeresaDietrich alas.

Tinkeringbell

@TeresaDietrich No machines at all? Ugh, that makes life a lot more boring ;-)

Journeyman Geek

1:45 PM

I was going to say - its possible they did that in between but might not have been a blog

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek ohhh lol

Journeyman Geek

But I didn't see any mention on twitter

Teresa Dietrich

yeah, the things you give up for leadership, i miss hands on tech sometimes

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@TeresaDietrich nice! Any details you can share before Nick post on his blog/Twitter? :)

@TeresaDietrich so you can't touch even coffee machine?! :-O

Teresa Dietrich

all i do at this point is get the budget and approve purchases but i think the target was this summer

Journeyman Geek

1:47 PM

@TeresaDietrich heh - one of the reasons I have a home lab is hand on tech is good for one's sanity :D

Teresa Dietrich

i live across the street from the office and have been tempted to sneak in and use that amazing coffee machine since the office is closed

Journeyman Geek

lol

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@TeresaDietrich LOL

Journeyman Geek

@TeresaDietrich secret socially distanced ninja coffee run?

Luuklag

@TeresaDietrich You must have the shortest commute of all then

Teresa Dietrich

1:48 PM

i live so close the espresso wouldn't even cool

Luuklag

And yeah, I'm tempted to do the same, but my commute would be 10 mins

Journeyman Geek

lol

Teresa Dietrich

when i did commute i spent more time in elevators than outdoors

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

You got hired based on location, or just a coincidence? @Teresa :)

Teresa Dietrich

just a coincidence, i think?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

1:49 PM

lol

Journeyman Geek

I suspect y'all would spend less time than I do walking from the entrance of my totally non secret government facility to my office than the whole distance :D

Teresa Dietrich

but it was appealing to me, i had a walking commute once before and it was glorious

Journeyman Geek

It tends to be :D

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

I worked close to home when I was teenager.

Worked in the village swimming pool, located 0 meters away. (My home back then is right next to it.)

Journeyman Geek

Its a good time to think :D

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

1:51 PM

Had to walk a minute to reach the gate though, easier than climbing the fence each time. :P

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard coulda stuck a ladder there :D

Luuklag

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard had someting similar when I lived with my parents, I used to work across the road

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek huh! Pity you weren't around back then to tell me. ;)

Journeyman Geek

Closest I've worked was for the family business - next unit.

(actually indirectly how we got the late Mr Ash)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag yeah, quite similar. What work?

@JourneymanGeek nice... what's the business?

Luuklag

1:52 PM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Worked at a tree nursery

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard engineering consultancy

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag tree what?! lol

Luuklag

you know where they grow trees

Journeyman Geek

I was the IT tech/delivery person/problem solver/dog wrangler.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag ohh... isn't it called greenhouse?

Journeyman Geek

1:53 PM

"Hey Geek? We need to ship out this pallet in 2 hours and we need to get a carton strapper"

Luuklag

nope, cause that requires it to be inside a glass building

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag oh, had no idea. lol

Learned new thing today: check. :D

Journeyman Geek

(I don't really think I've ever worked non IT, and I'd be pretty bad at anything. Even if I wonder if I could quit my job and work at a dog sanctuary or something sometimes :D )

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek sounds vague ;)

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag I worked inside one of those... too hot in summer, too cold in winter XD

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

1:54 PM

@JourneymanGeek oh, that's less vague. Nice!

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Well - we ... fixed port projects

Luuklag

Plant nursery

A nursery is a place where plants are propagated and grown to a desired age. They include retail nurseries which sell to the general public, wholesale nurseries which sell only to businesses such as other nurseries and to commercial gardeners, and private nurseries which supply the needs of institutions or private estates. Nurseries may supply plants for gardens, agriculture, forestry and conservation biology. Some of them specialize in one phase of the process: propagation, growing out, or retail sale; or in one type of plant: e.g., groundcovers, shade plants, or rock garden plants. Some produce...

Journeyman Geek

So lets say you're running a port in some third world country

and you need things fixed cause they're terrible, or help facilitate new equipment and you don't have the skills.

You call these guys. And they're like "this is too hard"

they subcontracted it to us

rene

serial port?

Journeyman Geek

We found out what was needed, got the contacts and such, and... fixed things

@rene the sort with ships.

Rob

1:56 PM

Journeyman Geek

I basically stayed here and made sure stuff happened

Rob

That's a nursery!

rene

@JourneymanGeek Ah, Rotterdam

Tinkeringbell

@Rob Somehow, nursery reminds me of kids, not plants. But plants are definitely better!

Journeyman Geek

@rene The netherlands isn't a third world country

I think we did stuff in Libya pre fall of ghadaffi

rene

1:57 PM

@JourneymanGeek wait till you visit here ...

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek You'd be surprised.

Half the third world is already here :P

Rob

That's Cristina Lake, a secure facility.

Luuklag

@Rob shame that its all container cultivation

this is more like it

Ekadh Singh

@Tinkeringbell :(

Rob

Soil is best, and it's easier to adjust the spacing in containers, plus each can have individual feeding - perhaps you need to zoom in on the photo :)

@Luuklag You can smoke that.

rene

2:01 PM

we're all Dutch, we don't mind

ThiefMaster

is stackoverflowsolutions.com a legitimate domain from stack exchange?

Rob

Here's a close-up, no bugs anywhere:

Luuklag

@Rob you could try

@ThiefMaster no

Tinkeringbell

@EkadhSingh harsh truths :P But plants complain a lot less!

Rob

: coughing:

Luuklag

2:04 PM

@Rob ah that's why. Yeah those cultivations are more "expensive" then it makes sense to go into containers

especially to get rid of soil borne diseases

ThiefMaster

because that would made it a very well made address phishing mail - i just got one about "SO swag for having exceeded 250k rep since 2019", and it links to something google-forms-like on https://info.stackoverflowsolutions.com

Rob

Those trees sell for at least 300 each, minimum.

Journeyman Geek

@ThiefMaster looks sus

ThiefMaster

whois looks legit though, "stack exchange inc"

Journeyman Geek

no wait

Tinkeringbell

2:05 PM

@ThiefMaster @TeresaDietrich or @JNat does either of you know if that's legit?

Luuklag

@ThiefMaster well it might be, if you visit the site the footer is there

ThiefMaster

not that it wouldn't be easy to fake that

Journeyman Geek

@ThiefMaster whois seems to be SE inc

@ThiefMaster worth checking/asking on meta

ThiefMaster

@Luuklag if i made a phishing site i'd make sure as hell to copy UI elements from the real thing ;)

Luuklag

Maybe @TeresaDietrich can clarify ;)

ThiefMaster

2:06 PM

i'm lazy so i was hoping for some SE employee to be around here :P

Journeyman Geek

if nothing else, its worth having a canonical resource for this

Teresa Dietrich

lemme see if we own it

Journeyman Geek

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/81379/… not listed here, so if its owned by SE, might be worth updating

Ekadh Singh

@Tinkeringbell but kids are better because um, actually, never mind you have a point. Plants are better :)

Journeyman Geek

Can't find any mentions of STACKOVERFLOWSOLUTIONS.COM on a quick meta search either ._.

g3rv4

2:09 PM

yeah, I got a lot of marketing emails and landed there to unsubscribe

Juan M

@Tinkeringbell Yes, this is us!

we're sending an email out to start collecting user info so that we an send you your items

Tinkeringbell

cc @ThiefMaster ^ :D

ThiefMaster

saw it, thanks!

Luuklag

@JuanM why use the strange domain for sending emails?

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag It's just where the form is hosted ;)

user400654

2:11 PM

we often use different domains for emails sent by 3rd parties

Juan M

that was a requirement from marketing...unfortunately, our marketing email system needs to add that so that the emails can be processed in bulk

Journeyman Geek

They used to use google docs for that in the past :D

user400654

less messy that way

Juan M

yeah, not my favorite but it's what we have

Teresa Dietrich

doesn't meet GDPR and other data privacy laws

Journeyman Geek

2:12 PM

@ThiefMaster @JuanM - might be good to have a Q&A pair on this?

Juan M

yup, heading out to write one now

Luuklag

@TeresaDietrich You could have a look at jotform

We use it all the time, works great, and Isn't crazy expensive

especially not in the context of a company the size of SO

Ekadh Singh

Who’s going to update this

Journeyman Geek

@EkadhSingh You could!

Teresa Dietrich

Thanks for the chat folks, I am off to resume a day of meetings

Ekadh Singh

2:14 PM

Okay

Journeyman Geek

Its a community wiki after all

I'd suggest waiting on Juan first so you have the details

Ekadh Singh

@JourneymanGeek How did I not notice that (facepalms)

Juan M

thanks all, I'm ending a meeting so I can go address this on Meta

I'll link here when it's up

Tinkeringbell

So many meetings ;)

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek Already updated it, linked to chat as source ;)

You guys could put a more relevant source in when Juan finishes

Journeyman Geek

2:16 PM

yup

I always thought SE used a single wildcard cert for everything, which threw me off a bit.

(though I guess that's for Q&A)

Ekadh Singh

@Luuklag risky to use a gender-specific pronoun in a room with so many moderators.

Luuklag

@EkadhSingh how so? It's not that I'm gendering a specific person

Journeyman Geek

@EkadhSingh I think there's a reasonable level of leeway there - unless someone finds it troublesome

also in certain parts of the world, guys is used gender neutrally for a group of people

Tinkeringbell

@EkadhSingh Meh. Guys isn't that gender-specific. I'm rather one of the guys than the 'gal that get's tagged on at the end' XD

Ekadh Singh

Okay

Journeyman Geek

2:22 PM

And well - correct pronouns are very much a matter of respect more than anything else. If anyone minds we could work it out.

rene

@JourneymanGeek this probably nickcraver.com/blog/2017/05/22/https-on-stack-overflow/… but yeah, that doesn't cover marketing stuff

Journeyman Geek

@rene I know, and forgot they switched to LE as soon as they could

Luuklag

Marketing is always special, marketing people are "special"

Journeyman Geek

hence the mention of wildcards

user400654

🚽

Journeyman Geek

2:24 PM

@Luuklag naw - I think its also that no non 'se' managed servers would be on a foo.se or foo.so domain

the mail server is special

likewise the blog

Rob

15

Q: Addressing a group of women as "you guys"

The word "guy", in its singular form, is used to refer to a man, so it's gender specific. However, in colloquial language, you can also use the expression "you guys" to refer to a group of people. When used in the plural form, is "guys" gender agnostic? Can you use "you guys" to refer to a group...

greetings forms-of-address

rene

@Luuklag true. They do have lots of budget to spend so ...

Catija

@Rob I don't use it in writing but I struggle to not use it in spoken English at times. It's interesting how the brain handles those two actions.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija I suspect its a regionalism

Catija

But I just write "y'all" all the time and apparently I don't like saying "It was fun hanging out with y'all" when I'm bidding someone adieu.

Journeyman Geek

2:30 PM

I thought that was either a texanism or a shogism :D

Apparently I said it in my "toddler who sounds like Yosamite Sam stage"

Catija

I mean, I'm not going to say "y'all come back now, ya hear!"

Tinkeringbell

XD That sounds like a bad comboy movie, even when it's written.

Juan M

@EkadhSingh @JourneymanGeek @Tinkeringbell @Luuklag @ThiefMaster I went ahead and edited the original swag post to include the sending address we're using.

Journeyman Geek

Thanks

Juan M

not a problem!

Luuklag

2:43 PM

@JourneymanGeek your edit was sloppy, so slopy it failed to make a link ;)

Journeyman Geek

._.

I might be multitasking

Luuklag

jk. just had an extra H, in https ;)

rene

you can't be hyper enough

Luuklag

hyper hyper, thats scooter right

Rob

@Catija Not an expert, y'all, but it's never singular; and saying that excludes a portion of the group - perhaps you want y'all y'all for everyone:

all o' y'all

Pronoun: all o' y'all

Alternative form of all y'all

Luuklag

2:48 PM

Scooter - Hyper Hyper (Official Video HQ)

►

Meta Andrew T.

all'y are funny, but i'all is fine too

Catija

@Rob It's definitely never singular.

"someone" in my other message wasn't intended to be a single person.

Rob

> "... when I'm bidding someone adieu."

sounds singular.

Catija

Give me a break.

The "y'all" came first - making it plural.

I'm sorry I failed to use "a group of people" instead of "someone".

Rob

3

A: Plural form of "someone"'?

Someone, and indeed any indefinite pronoun that ends in "one" is always singular. The word people is a good choice; however, the second part of your compound sentence sounds as if you are talking to only one person. You may want to restructure the sentence to reflect this.

I understand the context, and get it either way

Luuklag

2:53 PM

Where is P mort when you need them

Rob

✔️

Tinkeringbell

The secret to a happy life is never being anywhere people need you :P

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag wikipedia?

Rob

3:14 PM

I'd say SO, but he stresses that you be specific; so, U&L.

Mithical

4:47 PM

→ 12 messages moved to Chimney

user400654

5:43 PM

all yall

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

?

Ekadh Singh

6:12 PM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I’ll do you one <s>better</s> upside down, ¿

wait that didn’t work

Oops

Meta Andrew T.

@EkadhSingh ---strike the chat through---

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. ~~yup~~

@EkadhSingh ¿

in Shadow's Den, 13 secs ago, by FOX 9000

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard (づ^ਊ^)┛︵? 'uʍop ǝpᴉsdn <s/>ɹǝʇʇǝq<s> ǝuo noʎ op ןן’I

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Can toilets be flipped?

🚽

user400654

they can be canceled

Meta Andrew T.

🚽 have a seat

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

6:19 PM

@MetaAndrewT. Italian! Do they come with a pizza?

:D

John Dvorak

@user400654 That sentence makes more sense in nethack than here

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Thinking about it, toilets are made more for females, wonder how come nobody press charges yet. :D

John Dvorak

?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JohnDvorak they're not designed for urinating while standing

So males have less use for ordinary toilets.

John Dvorak

that's where pissoirs come in

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

6:23 PM

Piss what?

John Dvorak

I mean... urinals

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

oh OK, Googled it.

@JohnDvorak outdoors, in the open, yeah. lol

Still, urinals is alternative, not a solution.

John Dvorak

We call them pissoirs here, but that's a different thing in English ... because of course why would Czech ever use a loan word in it original meaning?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JohnDvorak yeah saw the wiki

Here in Israel it will never work, people way too conservative in those things. :/

John Dvorak

Urinals are the solution. Even if you have stormtrooper aim, they free up space for you in the sitting section

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

6:26 PM

@JohnDvorak but they can't replace toilets since males also need to sit down, sometimes.

Ideally, toilets will have two "states".

user400654

they do have two states

John Dvorak

In fact, whenever I was at any big event, they'd have repurposed half the male booths for female usage, and they'd still get massive queues while male booths didn't.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@user400654 seat up, seat down? Too primitive.

Meta Andrew T.

"standby" and "flushed"!

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JohnDvorak of course, females also take longer doing same thing. I think.

John Dvorak

6:30 PM

(and if a pub is shady enough, they don't even have urinals, just a sheet metal wall that descends into a trough)

Rob

7:26 PM

Man standing on urinal is higher than man on pot.

forest distrusts StackExchange

7:54 PM

This is something I already read on gcn.com/articles/2013/12/02/hashing-vs-encryption.aspx, seems like you've copied from there and it does not answer my question. Cannot downvote as I am new here. — Ufder 42 mins ago

Anything specific to be done about plagiarism?

Tinkeringbell

Flag for moderator attention.

forest distrusts StackExchange

@Tinkeringbell How many copied sentences before it counts as plagiarism? A few of the sentences are slightly changed, but most are identical word-for-word.

Tinkeringbell

I'd say that counts then. Especially if they didn't give the source....

forest distrusts StackExchange

Alright. Submitted flag.

Strange. This person is not totally new. They have 3k+ rep.

I wonder why they'd plagiarize then.

user400654

8:16 PM

wat

they have less than 200

forest distrusts StackExchange

On SO they have more.

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