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2:03 AM

I still think the Cold Stone Creamery partnership was a good idea, but I should have asked before doing the first market trials during the cryogenic mirror tests.

Journeyman Geek

@Feeds I'm a management major and.... I didn't understand a lot of this

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Journeyman Geek

3:11 AM

→ 21 messages moved to Chimney

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5:31 AM

@MadScientist Seeing a superscripted asterisk with no matching footnote gives me anxiety

5:51 AM

@JourneymanGeek you've seen Shog's tweets on the SO Talent stuff, I assume?

Journeyman Geek

@MadScientist significantly after I posted that

/me hasn't been having a good two days ;D

and that's a very reasonable big picture look at what's probably going on

I really don't know enough about the space, but I was a bit surprised that they were having so much trouble making this work. I had assumed that the audience SO has was enough to make this work

I can't imagine they'll remove it entirely, but the only way to do that while not spending much resources is if they partner with a big job platform, and essentially only provide ad space

Journeyman Geek

@MadScientist well its a busy space - and they're competing with, I donno, linkedin, dice (who used to own slashdot), indeed....

and at one point, I'm sure at least some folks in SE considered this the core business

So, while I'm certain Shog is... probably more reliable/100% right, I'd like to get a little more visibility on this :D

6:08 AM

I see two options: 1. a meaningless reorg with some layoffs 2. SO giving up on job ads

Journeyman Geek

@MadScientist 1. is bad

2. is.... well, potentially something that shapes how SE goes in future

2 hours later…

7:41 AM

Is there a more suitable dupe for this?

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Q: Is Array Overflow a Stack Exchange web site?

There's a site called Array Overflow at https://arrayoverflow.com. Is it legit? It's Facebook Page says nothing about the operator of the web site, and at the bottom of the site it just says (C) Array Overflow.

discussion clone copycat-sites

As it is not a scraper site.

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag I could reopen, and someone could answer its not a scraper

That would also work ;)

Journeyman Geek

reopened

Well, that site sure is funny... especially the tooltips are very well written! "its learning network" XD

Journeyman Geek

... their TOS might be a copy-paste replacement... there's ONE reference to searchall

7:52 AM

most of their posts are copy pasted from different fora etc.

only 5 more discussion answers for that silver badge :)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Just occurred to me, this might be spam. As I said in the comment, the site appears to be made by a single person.... and that single person might be the one posting that question, in desperate attempt to draw traffic. Thoughts?

If that's the case, my comment should trigger some angry response from OP, and so we'll know. :)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard lol

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Other reports of copycats start with something like "I noticed this question on that site", for example. This one just throws the site in our face.

And the fact OP made account just for that question...

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I actually did some poking and... it didn't seem to be the thing

I mean, it could be someone's hobby project - and they seem... fairly serious about it

but spamming on SE dosen't seem to be the case

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Soft spam.

8:02 AM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard They have posts their own on SO, they surely would be on their own site then

but I can't find them yet

Journeyman Geek

looks like they registered the domain 2 years ago too

lol, they have 6 different Python tags

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag no, they're smarter than that. Account created originally to advertise the site, then they added some posts around the network to appear legit.

All good, I'm fine with leaving it be, just... noticed this.

Journeyman Geek

and lets be real here

If someone wasn't a total... pillock, and wanted an SE alternative, we'd be pointing them at codidact...

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yup, and got very little traffic so far.

Journeyman Geek

8:06 AM

(granted, I wouldn't inflict quite a few people on codidact, they're nice folks)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek not the case, I think. It's someone who wants to make SO alternative, not looking for one.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I mean, advertising on meta would be... pointless

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek well it did cause several people to visit the site.... even if one choose to stick around that site, post something.... it's a win. :)

Journeyman Geek

lol

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

And again... just a hunch.

munching the hunch

Gone.

Journeyman Geek

8:08 AM

I took a look at IP, email, and whoised the domain :D

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

nah can't be so simple.

If I'm right, they used different IP for sure.

Journeyman Geek

The problem with jumping at shadows is sometimes you jump the wrong way :D

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Making such a site from scratch takes lots of work and requires lots of skill, it's not the random newbie.

@JourneymanGeek I know.

argh stupid editor

It shows up as valid links in the preview, but then they don't render

how would I do it: [StackOverflow.com](stackoverflow.com)

why you no work!

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag no magic links in chat

I think?

8:11 AM

No, this is how I put it in my post, but doesnt render

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

oh

Isn't it only for comments?

No, works fine for posts as well

but it doesn't recognize it as a link

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A: Is Array Overflow a Stack Exchange web site?

No, this is not a Stack Exchange site. You can find almost all sites here: https://stackexchange.com/sites#name. There are a few more "secret" ones. But this isn't one of them. Besides that there is only a limited set of domains used by Stack Exchange. Most sites are hosted as subdomains of stack...

see for yourself

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

hmm

not even when I add www.stackoverflow.com

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag looks like an alpha editor bug

better?

8:14 AM

nope

user912062

@Luu https?

now its all in raw markdown

and you escaped the \

Journeyman Geek

ooh wierd

I didn't touch that!

no you escaped the [ with a \ I should have said

you probably switched between modes

Journeyman Geek

I literally didn't, all I did was edit the first link!

and yeah

._.

8:18 AM

@RocketNikita yup, that does the trick, how annoying

user912062

@Luu oops, submitted an edit

@RocketNikita np

user912062

@Luu feel free to reject

user912062

@Luu ok

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Who is @Luu?

8:25 AM

nobody knows @sha

user912062

@Sha @Luu is @Luuklag

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@RocketNikita oh. But you'll have trouble with Mar.

user912062

@Sha just new to tavern

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@M.A.R. is smarter, added those dots.

To avoid random pings when Mar's are pinged.

:P

@RocketNikita sure you are.

user912062

heh

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

8:27 AM

Where are you from? @Rocke

the moon ofcourse @sha

user912062

@Sha heh, you already know

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag nice. It is cold on the moon?

Are you neighbors?! @Rocket @Luuk

idk you should ask our comrad @rock @sha

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@niki doesn't exist :(

user912062

8:29 AM

@Luuk @niki doesn’t ping me

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Ohhh but I did love to watch Nikita years ago!!

Yeah I know

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

This one

user912062

nah

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@RocketNikita not your friend?

Same name.

user912062

8:31 AM

@Sha You know I’m russian

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@RocketNikita really? That's nice.

user912062

Grr

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

So it's really cold in there.

user912062

Stop pretending you never knew me

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Oct 13 '15 at 11:59, by Shadow Wizard

I love trolling the trolls

:-D

8:33 AM

I bet there are plenty of Nikita's in Russia, just as there are many Yaakov's in israel

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Plus, you're cute when you're angry @Rock

@Luuklag Yaakov is common, yes.

My name isn't common though.

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I like the nikita part better then this rock:

user image

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag hahaha!! Good one!

user912062

@Luu heh

user912062

Having slow WiFi

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

8:36 AM

I can't help reading @Luu as @Loo

user912062

delay-y

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

del-ay

user912062

heh

user912062

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard maybe

8:48 AM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Well there are a lot of shadow's, so it isn't that uncommon either ;)

Sonic the Curiouser Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Cross-site spammer (on sites you moderate): stackexchange.com/users/21182894/netgear-router-login-care

user912062

@Luu 124 pages of nikitas on stackoverflow

Must all have been inspired by @sha s teenage crush

user912062

huh?

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard this crush

Journeyman Geek

8:56 AM

26 mins ago, by Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Ohhh but I did love to watch Nikita years ago!!

do keep up

user912062

oh

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

9:27 AM

@JourneymanGeek I do ;)

@Luuklag lol

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

9:47 AM

Lunch time. Who's joining?

Hey @Ayo didn't notice your arrival. What's up?

You already using @Luuklag's advice for managing emails better? ;)

Feb 24 at 14:20, by Luuklag

@Ayo Well not all of them are important, so I just scan through. If I don't think it needs anything from me I just simply mark them as read

Journeyman Geek

oh, so tentatively today's my last day, though I'm probably getting rehired to the same role in a few weeks, to a month....

I'm so tempted to inbox zero :D

user707129

@JourneymanGeek I'm sorry to hear about Ash. (I know this is kind of late but I only just read your bio.)

Journeyman Geek

(well tonight, cause tommorrow is when my shift ends and I immediately hand over all my junk)

@Xnero He was 16, and had a good life. And i totally miss the fuzzball :(

user707129

@JourneymanGeek I'm not a dog expert but 16 years sounds like a good time for a dog to live.

Journeyman Geek

@Xnero Pretty much as old as they get. I think the record is 22, but 16-20 is fairly common for an older small dog

9:59 AM

Yeah, the bigger the dog, the shorter they live right?

Journeyman Geek

He kinda seemed to figure it was his time, had one last adventure, and passed on on my dad's lap

yup

And the more pure their breed is the same holds I think

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag Ash was a mystery mutt

user707129

@JourneymanGeek Are you getting a new dog?

Journeyman Geek

@Xnero not so soon

No one else in the family is keen on it

So, I'd need to move out, and find a job that's not shift work

(But when there's another dog, I'm going to need to call him Journey )

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@Glorfindel ._.

5

(He knows exactly why :D)

10:09 AM

hahaha

@Luuklag not sure what that "strong evidence" is, but as a member of staff I can categorically say I don't have access to any "secret" network sites :). We do have private and public betas that won't be listed on se.com, but that's the only network sites that aren't publicly listed (although they're generally on Area51). All our current beta sites are sub domains of stackexchange.com so the list of public network sites is a definitive list of anything that we own that hosts a Q&A site. — Dean Ward ♦ 16 mins ago

I destinctly remember there something about having secret sites

As you can't join them all. What was the deal here again

@Luuklag dev.stackexchange.com

meta.dev.stackexchange.com/users/… looks interesting

Journeyman Geek

I also vaguely remember moonspeak.stackexchange.com

@JourneymanGeek thats not found

Journeyman Geek

though in theory they might 'just' host a full instance for dev

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

10:27 AM

@Journeyman sorry to hear about Ash, but as you said, there is comfort knowing he lived a full life and you gave each other everything you could.

1 hour later…

Journeyman Geek

11:35 AM

You will have to start by parsing the HTML @Glorfindel — Luuklag 41 mins ago

@Luuklag ._.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@All ._.

:D

user912062

@Sha how could smokey delete it's own message? Why?

@RocketNikita if the post is deleted, and the edit window is still open it can

user912062

@Luu ahh, ok

!!/coffee Rocket

user912062

11:46 AM

!!/help

@RocketNikita I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

user912062

!!/whois admin

@RocketNikita I am aware of 8 admins. Currently in this room: ArtOfCode. Not currently in this room: tripleee, Makyen, Andy, Undo, Thomas Ward, thesecretmaster, angussidney.

user912062

Hello, @Glorfindel!

12:00 PM

And see, now it's too late and it no longer deletes @rock

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag poof

lol

:)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Somewhat laggy but good bot, @Luuk

wow, the formatting on that smokey post is really something

@Tink did I see you (ab)use your mod powers on Glor's answer on Journey's FR?

That's not abuse, it was for moderation purposes!

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

12:03 PM

Meh just a comment

hence the (ab) ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell in his defence, it wouldn't have been as funny....

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

She could ~~spank~~ peck @Glor instead, so he should count his blessings. :D

I bet he would be honoured with a peck on the cheek ;)

How does that work when one has a beak btw?

Find something to get a hold of, bite down?

Noses are much easier than cheeks in such cases, I guess.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

12:07 PM

@Luuklag depends... which cheek....

runs away

*bonks @Shadow with a baseball bat*

Journeyman Geek

We could resolve all confusion by going for the eyes instead

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Mithical well thank you! Needed that. :D

@JourneymanGeek I'm in.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Wait

@Mith what you doing here?

You're not in some dark army office? ;)

Journeyman Geek

12:10 PM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Mith has always been here.

Wait, Mith is not a vorlon.

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard putting you in your place

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag small box? :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Army offices are rarely dark :D

dingy, yes

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard It's Thursday afternoon

Journeyman Geek

smelling faintly of sweat, sure.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

12:11 PM

@JourneymanGeek no light in most toilets I was in during army, so....

:P

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I'm sure most recruits would break their necks showering at 6am

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek flashlights

Journeyman Geek

in the shower?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek sure

Journeyman Geek

Ok, there's certain things I am glad we didn't copy from you guys.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

12:13 PM

Well just kidding of course, but it did happen couple of times.

No power in the base, so no lights.

Also means no hot water of course.

@Mithical חמשוש?

basically

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek faintly? Well, since you get used to it, then yes. :D

Journeyman Geek

We didn't get hot water :D

One more reason to hate armies.

Journeyman Geek

In unit, I used to take a shower during lunch cause the sun would heat up the water to a nice temperature

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

12:17 PM

@Mithical so what are you doing here? Go spend that little time you have outside army doing things which are more fun.... :D

bonking you with a baseball bat is fun

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek on regular basis? Ouch, I wouldn't survive.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I mean literally no hot water

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Sure enough, sometimes had to have cold showers, but I'd say at least 50% of the times, I had proper hot water.

Journeyman Geek

no 'on a regular basis'. No hot water ever.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

12:18 PM

@JourneymanGeek wow. Why? On purpose to make the soldiers tough?

Journeyman Geek

No idea

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Oh wait, I'm so dumb. Lol. Hot water didn't depend on electricity at all in army, they all used solar.

solar boiler?

This certainly looks off:

user image

are there other sites besides mathoverflow that have disabled the HNQ?

Don't think so...

user image

repro'd on MSE

12:32 PM

Yup, reproed it on the /badges page as well

going to write it up quickly

@journ If you are done deleting realator profiles, you might want to move on to landscapers ;)

2elementslandscaping, Vancouver, BC, Canada

1 1

Yeah there are quite a few other spammy profiles in that list.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag yup. Might change these days, as the army appears to try and adopt "green" methods.

But I guess we don't hunt those down. Understandably, I suppose.

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag oh mostly su only insurance ones. This probably needs jnat

@Spevacus No, we don't. Journey does when he is bored. They most likely get 0 exposure from just having a profile. So no need to nuke them

@JourneymanGeek nah no need to nuke them as long as they refrain from posting

Well im going into a meeting, so for once im closing my chat tab xD

12:41 PM

Enjoy your meeting! Let us know if it could've been an e-mail :)

@Spevacus its a brainstorm, so no

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag keep your brain safe!

Will do, were going to be using an online post-it board

hoping that's going to work

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

What will you be discussing? @Luuk

Anything interesting?

pathways for pesticide emissions from farmyards

and how to mitigate them

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

12:51 PM

@Luuklag sounds important.

Go show them what you got! :D

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard haha thx, I've got most of it, but I want to have the input of others

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag the insurance spammers is a hobby. It's oddly cartritic

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag oh, you lead it?

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard yup

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Luuklag nice. When does it start?

12:54 PM

in 6 mins

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

oh, it would be... 3pm for you, right?

yeah

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Good, employees not hungry after having lunch few hours before, and after the initial sleepiness it cause.

more a case of the one option that was available in most agendas

Because everyone is lunching 1-2, then napping 2-3, and they stop working at 4:30?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

1:06 PM

lol

@Luuk I hope you closed the tab or at least have it on mute.... ;)

evil grin

@Tink I wish!

Except for the napping... that's pretty much my days :P

1:18 PM

Gurkan's gherkin

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

?

404

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

This?

user image

Augurk!

1:41 PM

== English == === Etymology === The term refers to being in pickling solution, presumably unpleasant. It was first used in English by William Shakespeare in The Tempest (1611), although the phrase had been used in Dutch earlier. === Prepositional phrase === in a pickle In a difficult situation or a troubling quandary. ==== Synonyms ==== in a fix troubled === References === Gary Martin (1997–) , “In a pickle”, in The Phrase Finder, retrieved 26 February 2017. === Anagrams === paniclike

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

oh

@Rob "had been used in Dutch earlier"...

I don't know, I can't remember a contemporary expression XD

Oooh, found it! 'in de pekel'.

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