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mootinator

12:55 AM

Ahem

animuson

Ahehehehem

mootinator

JB. Hahahahhahaha.

trollstars a particular link.

gets bored of his laptop being scorching hot and resets it.

Tim Stone

2:47 AM

So....Visual Studio 11 will be the Meta Stack Overflow of IDEs?

Shog9

3:20 AM

Prediction: VS12 ditches icons entirely, continuing to expand search to where all commands are but a few keystrokes away. VS13 dismisses with dialogs as well, relying on parameters to queries, and to avoid the unlucky connotations associated with the number 13 drops the three in all branding, going merely as "V1"

Rebecca Chernoff

but 13 is a lucky number! >_<

Shog9

...Rebecca writes userscript to re-add the S and 3...

Rebecca Chernoff

oy

Greg Hewgill

3:41 AM

@Shog9 ...VS14 drops the GUI and adds elisp

mootinator

I'm excited about TFS Express. That will give me something to wish I was using instead of STS.

animuson

4:42 AM

Mwuahahahaha just passed 28,000 :)

animuson

5:13 AM

What was this --> stackoverflow.com/posts/2021279/revisions

Chris

5:45 AM

@mootinator What's that?

@animuson Someone being extremely lazy

animuson

6:32 AM

I'm leaving off the night at 29,305

awoodland

9:23 AM

woah that's a lot of duplicated duplicate post flags

balpha

11:57 AM

you should all follow @TheEvanCarroll who is bar none the most sophisticated troll I've ever encountered. It's a compliment!

Tweeted by codinghorror on February 24, 2012 at 7:53 AM

You should all follow @codinghorror who is bar none the most sophisticated pirate I've ever encountered. http://meta.superuser.com/revisions/ecc74db1-1d27-4998-8e0d-fd244837dfd7/view-source

Tweeted by TheEvanCarroll on February 24, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Yi Jiang's Proble_

Classy

Anonymous

12:28 PM

@balpha Linking to a revision by ID, so it's impossible to put it in context.... nice.

Anonymous

12:49 PM

Oh, no, I'm just blind. It has a link to the original post, and it's not hard to find the meta thread.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

2:17 PM

0

Q: Get page height in JS (Cross-Browser)

What is the best way to get the actual page (not window) height in JS that is cross-browser compatible? I've seen a few ways but they all return different values... self.innerHeight or document.documentElement.clientHeight or document.body.clientHeight or something else?

technology

How does this happen!?

Tim Stone

...

jadarnel27

lol

mootinator

3:19 PM

@Chris Oh, I had just licensed my trial of Acronis True Image.

Popular Demand

4:49 PM

Hm. Based on chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/878602#878602 and chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/878649#878649, and assuming constant rate, it takes @animuson an hour and 50 minutes to process 1304 /review posts. That's 1304/110 = 11.85 posts per minute, or about one review every five seconds.

Tim Stone

Five whole seconds? That seems like a lot of down time.

With that said, I need to drive into the office, so I should probably leave now..

mootinator

doit doit d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d doit doit

Popular Demand

I think I'm a pretty fast reader, but I can't read most posts in five seconds, let alone decide on whether they need to be flagged and/or perform any necessary edits. @animuson is clearly a cyborg or some such.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

@PopularDemand I could create a userscript that 'reviews' each question as you scroll past them

I don't bother pressing the button if the question looks okay, so even though I 'reviewed' them, they don't count

Popular Demand

I would say that you haven't reviewed it at all, because you haven't seen the question in context, or even seen the whole post; there could be spelling or grammar issues you're not seeing, for example.

mootinator

4:55 PM

"Vote to Close -- This sort of insight isn't tolerable on Stack Overflow"

Popular Demand

I'm pretty sure you were kidding about that script, but it would really defeat the purpose of /review. The point is to get posts looked at and improved, not to just empty the queue by any means necessary.

mootinator

That's like reaching inbox zero by clicking "Mark all as Read"

Or is that the point.

Now I've confused myself.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

@PopularDemand I know, but with the algorithm turning up so many 'false positives' my brain now applies its own filters to the question set

mootinator

Reply which continues my own separate conversation with myself while tangentially referencing what @PopularDemand and @YiJiangsProble are discussing.

Popular Demand

In other news: I've complained before about the chat ignore list being flawed because conversations look nonsensical when one of the participants is ignored, but I was happy to discover a few weeks ago that ignoring is approximately the best thing in the world when all participants of an inane or undesirable conversation are on the ignored list.

mootinator

5:03 PM

lol

Popular Demand

Where's that widget that lets you add freehand circles to any post using HTML5?

Yi Jiang's Proble_

@PopularDemand It's a userscript, should still be on Stack Apps

Popular Demand

Meh, I wanted to reply to this comment, but "laziness" and "getting back to real work" are interfering.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

stackoverflow.com/suggested-edits/206115

sigh...

balpha

-1 not enough jUery

4

Yi Jiang's Proble_

5:14 PM

@balpha The jury is still out on that one

Popular Demand

@YiJiangsProble_ I humbly suggest that you missed the joke on that one.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

@PopularDemand No, that's just my 1am brain trying to make a really bad pun

mootinator

qUery is teh awesome

My skillz today are not.

Purmou

5:34 PM

yo yo yo

Evan Carroll

All I did was join a "community." He created a community, assigned himself autocrat of a government he imposed on others, and stole content from other sites against their will with the intent of making money from advertisements. Which sounds more sophisticated to you?

I'd contend he's also a better troll because I'm not a troll, and I never troll.

balpha

How to prove you're a troll: Go through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) point by point to prove that *technically* you're not.

Tweeted by balpha on June 9, 2011 at 7:46 AM

I love quoting myself

Popular Demand

@Purmou It's actually spelled "oy." Don't worry, it's a common Tavern newbie mistake.

Purmou

@PopularDemand: I know what I said :P

how goes it with you all?

Evan Carroll

@balpha We'll I've never went through that Wikipedia page, and I never made such a defense. Clearly, that's evidence that I'm not a troll by your own definition.

balpha

5:44 PM

Don't forget I'm one of Jeff's minions; you're kinda preaching to the thought police. I'm afraid I'll have to censor you sooner or later.

Purmou

@balpha: Lies! you're your own man.

Shog9

@EvanCarroll "The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, or vice versa." -Sweet Donny Rumsfeld

Popular Demand

@balpha I'm curious how deeply you can nest yourself quoting this message before chat explodes.

Shog9

@PopularDemand ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT

Evan Carroll

So if you define (analytical truth) a term (troll) as someone who passed an objective criteria (having refuted the identification with Wikipedia) and they don't fill that objective criteria for the term that you're using then that's not evidence of the term being unfit for them?

Where did you go? The DeVry school of logic?

Purmou

5:52 PM

oooh

do arguments happen often here?

Shog9

@EvanCarroll I define "troll" as a fisherman. Or a fisher of men, in some cases.

Popular Demand

@Purmou I've seen you around Meta enough that I assume you're asking about this room specifically, not MSO in general. In that case, the answer is no. This is mostly a mix of general, programmer-specific and SE-specific nerdiness.

Purmou

@PopularDemand indeed. it seems more sophisticated than the other chats anyways

balpha

"sophisticated"... now there's a word I wouldn't have thought of coming up in a description of the Tavern

Purmou

you would if you considered the other rooms

at least, certain SO rooms

balpha

6:01 PM

@Purmou @Purmou @EvanCarroll @Shog9 @mootinator @TimStone @RebeccaChernoff i want 2 make program like farmville w/ android and html. u can giv me codez for?

Shog9

@balpha $("body").makeFarmville(); ywvm

Popular Demand

"I just looked through questions by a user who thinks Caps Lock is cruise control for cool but forgets that he still needs to steer."

Shog9

@Purmou cough How droll! You nearly made me spill my port!

Purmou

okay, i take it back. this is the least sophisticated room. but by god it's funny in here.

anyone know why this keeps getting closed?

-2

Q: Is my question really that bad?

I got rejected and filtered at SO for asking "Which is faster, a program that opens a file to write, or having it piped to a file in the shell?". Is this really a bad question?

discussion specific-question

awoodland

@Purmou it seems like a bad Q with not much to say over what the FAQ says, although closing the meta Q seemed to leave its closing "unresolved" in the mind of the OP I suspect

Purmou

6:18 PM

it's still totally answerable...and now people are writing answers in the form of comments. doesn't make sense to me.

Evan Carroll

@balpha Send a message to team@stackoverflow.com. That's what the account is for. They've got a whole team to assist you.

Purmou

d'oh come on!

meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/123435/revisions

that was the punch line of that whole answer!

awoodland

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/123434/…

Purmou

ooh, i just realized i misread "the chrome of my browser" as "chrome, my most favorite and the greatest browser ever"

animuson

@PopularDemand: That's not even at full reviewing capacity.

Of course, when you're reviewing low quality posts, they go a lot quicker because there's not nearly as much to look at.

Purmou

6:42 PM

awesome, i just mortarboarded

first one on meta

animuson

:o

I just did 2 days in a row.

In fact, I hit the 200 rep cap from the answers I posted the previous day which hit the rep cap. o.o

What do I do today!? It's like they want me to go waste time in the review panel...

Pekka's Reputation Bordello

Have I ever shared this with you guys? (Read the reviews!)

amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1852250437/b3ta-21

animuson

stackoverflow.com/posts/5915311/revisions <-- Good commentary?

awoodland

I always wonder if anybody reads those ever

animuson

I don't know, but it's fun to put random comedy in there :D

Popular Demand

6:58 PM

@animuson Whatever, man. You're a cyborg.

Chris

A little Friday humor for everyone:

Eternal Copyright: a modest proposal

animuson

This one is funny too. --> stackoverflow.com/revisions/9355929/2

Chris

@animuson I'll never be able to edit someone's post with an ordinary edit summary again

Somewhere, Stephen Sarcsam Kamenar is thinking "Unicorns? What the heck?"

animuson

@Chris: Good! That's what he gets for frightening them!

Moshe

Busy as anything. :-) hi, bye

Purmou

7:07 PM

0

Q: Starring messages in the chat transcript

It would be nice to have this ability. I primarily encounter this issue when checking a transcript when I'm notified of a mention in the inbox. I see awesome stuff and can't star it. Makes me sad that I cannot share my appreciation. Sideways frowny face.

feature-request chat starred-messages chat-transcript

this is literally

like

the funniest question i've ever seen

and his comment on the answer

animuson

Hahahaha

Purmou

i'm dying here

Chris

@Purmou What. . .the. . .?

Purmou

@Chris: hrm?

Chris

@Purmou I think I missed an inside joke somewhere

Purmou

7:10 PM

no inside joke

Chris

Won't really doesn't know?

Purmou

that's the funny part

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/123446/…

Chris

@Purmou No, @JeremyBanks made those freehand circles

As far as I can tell

Purmou

@Chris: exactly, that's why I said "Also" at the start of the sentence :P

but either way i just removed the first part.

Tim Stone

@balpha No, because you didn't thank me in advance, you heathen!

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Chris

7:13 PM

Seriously, the nerve.

Popular Demand

@TimStone To be fair, it wasn't URRGGGGNTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.

animuson

Only 37,000 more posts to review in the Low Quality Posts - Year section

Chris

@Purmou Oh, I get it now. English parsing fail. I assumed "you" meant Won't.

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand Also -1 for not being in all-caps.

Chris

@PopularDemand Unlike sci-fi robot time-traveler dude

animuson

7:18 PM

Mwuahahahaha

Chris

Wow

Purmou

you MUTANT

mootinator

7:34 PM

support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Chris

I wonder how long it will be until Microsoft implements their own variation on Stack Overflow

i.e. implements a Q&A site rather than a forum for developer queries

Purmou

I wonder how long until they endorse Stack Overflow

Chris

Well, we certainly don't want to end up in the same situation as we have with Facebook

Popular Demand

Who's with me? (@TimStone need not participate)

Tim Stone

Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Overflow results featured in MSDN Search

Posted by Joel Spolsky on October 29th, 2010

Did you notice anything different about MSDN search lately?

MSDN is Microsoft’s mega huge developer information portal, and we’re happy to announce that starting today, Stack Overflow search results will be incorporated into the results when you search for something on MSDN. That lets you see official Microsoft developer documentation alongside the community conversations that you need to actually make sense of the “official” developer documentation.

Let me just say that I have been using Microsoft developer documentation since the Windows 1.0 API. In those days it was a …

:P

Popular Demand

7:40 PM

55

Q: How should we notify people that they're eligible for "Microsoft Community Contributor" awards?

Microsoft has a program called the Microsoft Community Contributor Award. The way it works is that they search on online forums (TechNet, MSDN, and Answers.com) for people answering a lot of questions about Microsoft technology, and when they find them, they award them with a badge of some sort t...

discussion email-notification microsoft

Chris

7:50 PM

@PopularDemand I posted a couple of alternatives

animuson

8:06 PM

Does anyone remember where the meta quesiton was that covered this encoding issue --> stackoverflow.com/posts/9437121/revisions

Tim Stone

Yes, actually

4

Q: Quotation marks converted to entities in rolling back with summary

In the revision history page of an answer, click "edit" next to an old answer, add an edit summary with an apostrophe (') or double-quotation-mark (") in it, and save without editing the post. The software will append "Rollback to revision [number]" to your edit summary (which is fine) and conver...

bug revisions-list rollbacks html-entities

animuson

@TimStone: Thanks, you're so awesome. throws you a biscuit

Tim Stone

Hooray!

There's another issue when viewing the revisions directly, as well:

7

Q: Quotation marks are shown as HTML entities, in the revision page

It's a minor one. In the edit history for Why isn't Meta funny anymore? the quotation marks are not escaped. In the revision page, the quotation marks are shown as HTML entities. I see this in Windows 7 32-Bit, using FireFox 10.0.2 (unsupported?).

bug revisions encoding

Popular Demand

Tim Stone likes biscuits, huh? Gotta file that one away for future use....

Tim Stone

I'm a fan of all free food.

animuson

8:10 PM

I was a bit confused why a 15.8k user would make an edit like that. o.o

Tim Stone

That...is a good question. :/

animuson

Haha I took a peak at his edit history and there was another one there from 5 hours ago that I reversed...

Popular Demand

Belated fist-shaking, @TimStone, because when I try to type your name (without the tab autocomplete) I overshoot about half the time and type Time instead.

animuson

In fact, he has a long history of not including a reason for his edits...

Chris

@animuson Who's that?

animuson

8:21 PM

@Chris: See this revision. That 15.8k user who added it...

0

Q: Simple PHP Mailer Script <SOLVED>

i run a small website and we have had requests for a mailing list.... i have found a simple free script to add email addresses to a txt file - "email.txt" (which is protected) is csv format (email1@yahoo.com,email2@yahoo.com,blah,blah,blah) this script works flawlessly..... however it is a nuc...

php script newsletter mailing-list

Anyone know how to clean that up?

Popular Demand

Oh, wow.

Chris

Torgamus has fixed worse, I'm sure

Popular Demand

See revision 16. @animuson

Chris

@PopularDemand Yesss... That's the one I was thinking of.

Ah, here it is:

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Q: A nomination for the Medal of (editing) Honor

I hereby nominate eldarerathis to recieve the Medal of (editing) Honor for patience, bravery and editing beyond the call of duty. At approximately 4:30 AM (UCT) on Tuesday March 8th eldarerathis went to the aid of this question, which was pinned down under heavy fire. Crippled with badl...

discussion edit

animuson

I'm attempting to edit this. LOL

Doesn't it look nice and pretty now?

and then I flagged it for moderator attention :)

Chris

8:38 PM

Muuch better :)

But wasn't there an answer hidden in there?

That should have been moved out of the question?

Oh, you mentioned that in your edit summary

Popular Demand

Bleh, you only did half the job.

I'm halfway done.

animuson

Does it matter? I flagged it for closure so meh.

Popular Demand

Do it right or don't do it at all.

animuson

Oh yay! The Workplace Stack Exchange is over halfway there!

Exciting emails!

@PopularDemand: The solution doesn't belong in the question anyways.

Chris

@animuson You could just put it in a community wiki answer

Popular Demand

8:43 PM

@Chris I'm already doing this.

Chris

@PopularDemand Awesome. I'll upvote it to bring it closer to the accepted answer.

animuson

@PopularDemand: That was quite a distraction from reviewing posts...

Popular Demand

Done.

animuson

I'm going to go cook fajitas. MINE

Chris

10:05 PM

My, that's a nice question you have there. Shame if something were to happen to it. – Will♦

DUN DUN DUN

animuson

DELETE IT!!!

Anonymous

Sooooo that post was unlocked and is now undergoing a close/open war? Better join in.

animuson

Exactly lol

Chris

The latest blog post may have brought more attention to it

Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Exchange’s Greatest Hits

Posted by Jeff Atwood on February 24th, 2012

We have a lot of Q&A sites in the Stack Exchange network now. 84 at the current moment. That’s … a lot of Q&A sites. But most people* don’t find us by browsing the site directory; they find us by encountering a Stack Exchange page in their web search results.

So that may lead you to wonder: what are the most freqently found questions on a given Stack Exchange Q&A site? In other words, the “Greatest Hits” of that particular topic.

(Trivia: did you know that the Eagles’ Greatest Hits doesn’t include their most famous song?) …

animuson

Ive left my mark on this historical question :o

Chris

10:18 PM

And Gaming.SE's greatest hits are almost all Skyrim or Minecraft

No big surprise, I guess

Anonymous

10:48 PM

10

Q: Can we get some advice on how to bypass the "quality" filter for non-SO sites?

Some of you might not be aware, but there are a few sites that use the StackExchange engine to address non-programming questions. These sites are not called Stack Overflow, but they share this very same meta. They don't get thousands of questions a day and some of them don't even get tens of ques...

feature-request status-declined

Anonymous

I find this a little bit ridiculous.

Anonymous

by which I mean infuriatingly ridiculous

Anonymous

now you should all go vote for it and downvote Jeff

Anonymous

or I will yell at you.

animuson

@JeremyBanks: Oh? What will you do if we do the opposite?

Anonymous

10:57 PM

downvote every one of your posts on meta.

Anonymous

Seems like you followed-through on your threat. Say goodbye to your rep.

animuson

Haha

Anonymous

damn daily vote limit...

animuson

I can just have @Rebecca reverse it xP Shes nice

Anonymous

I doubt it will require manual intervention.

animuson

11:03 PM

I was already at the daily reputation cap for the day, so maybe I'll gain it back before it even gets detected

Oh, the day ends in an hour xP

@JeremyBanks: If your serial votes get reversed, do you get the votes back for your daily limit, or are they permanently gone?

Anonymous

I'm pretty sure I'd get them back, but it probably won't run within the day.

animuson

Does it run at the new day (aka 53 minutes from now)?

Anonymous

Nope. You're probably going to suffer my wrath for most of a day.

animuson

Oooooo Happy Hour is starting soon

awoodland

serverfault.com/questions/greatest-hits - the top quesiton on that says a lot

animuson

11:19 PM

It's Happy Hour, where is everyone!?

Evan Carroll

I AM HERE.

animuson

Welcome!

Anonymous

@EvanCarroll CENSORSHIP.

Evan Carroll

Is that what "happy hour" is normally like...

Shog9

@EvanCarroll What would you care to drink?

(Don't say "hot cocoa")

animuson

11:29 PM

@Shog9: Can I have a strawberry banana smoothie? Do they server those here?

Evan Carroll

... what's wrong with that guy?

I'll take a Vodka Tonic.

animuson

Hmmmm that was weird...

Shog9

@animuson If by "strawberry" you mean "tequila rose" and "banana" you mean "sloe gin"

animuson

I don't drink, sorry.

Anonymous

@EvanCarroll Hmmm?

Shog9

11:30 PM

@EvanCarroll There's a proper drink. Lime?

Evan Carroll

Always.

I assume animuson is the first generation of C# bot? I've seen perl scripts that probably evolved past the point of asking for "strawberry banana smoothie" when prompted for a drink choice.

animuson

@Shog9: I'll take a reversal of serial downvotes though. :)

Evan Carroll

Either that, or he's a defective person.

animuson

@Evan: I've never had alcohol, ever.

Shog9

@animuson Hmm... I see someone here hasn't been down-voting enough on Meta prior to your arrival

animuson

11:33 PM

Wait... what does that mean? o.o

Evan Carroll

@animuson What's it like to be a mormon?

Speaking of Mormons, he's not doing to well today.

guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/24/…

Shog9

@animuson Well, out of principle I can't reveal who down-voted you (although I believe he outed himself). But I can make oblique comments as to his voting habits ;-P

animuson

@Shog9: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/879471#879471

Shog9

@EvanCarroll Heh... Tax cuts and schoolkids, eh? Guy knows how to play to an audience.

Anonymous

@Shog9 He was surprised to note, once the downvotes on deleted posts were restored, that his downvote:upvote ratio on SO was so much higher than on MSO.

Shog9

11:36 PM

@JeremyBanksʬʬʬ Same here, oddly enough. I guess stuff just doesn't get deleted as readily on MSO.

animuson

@Jeremy: What if I sing more Bieber lyrics?

It can be a karaoke Happy Hour...

Evan Carroll

Biebler!!!!!

Anonymous

@animuson It's too late for him to undo them.

Evan Carroll

Jeff said today on his twitter last night that everyone should follow me... I think this is sound advice, and it better equips me to lead MSO down the path of revolution -- overthrowing Jeff.
http://twitter.com/#!/theevancarroll

If you're following too many people, just unfollow Jeff -- he's throwing in the towel to be with his kids and wife anyway, so his life will probably get pretty boring pretty fast.

animuson

Twitter.com makes heavy use of JavaScript - If you cannot enable it in your browser's preferences, you may have a better experience on our mobile site.

Again, where's the "please"?

Sorry, @Evan I don't have a Twitter account.

Evan Carroll

11:45 PM

Get one.. even stupid third graders sign up for the service in droves. It isn't hard to register.

If Jeff can do it -- so can you!

Unless he wishes to stop you by way of coercive and undemocratic force.

animuson

Nah, I really don't want one. I don't tend to care what stupid things my friends are doing. They're usually stupid things that I don't care about...

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Shog9

@EvanCarroll I only follow people if they follow me first.