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Rob

5:03 AM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Kibbles 'n Bits

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

6:51 AM

@Rob no dog for me

Though the pet shop where I buy fish food is called Mad Dog maddog.co.il

Sonic the Curiouser Hedgehog

7:28 AM

@JNat Cross-site spammers: stackexchange.com/users/20837557/soleil-haver stackexchange.com/users/18957511/anitaitsupport

Luuklag

7:42 AM

o/

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag well it comes in all forms and languages....

Luuklag

True, but this is the first time I've seen it in dutch

whilst it also makes little sense to post in dutch, as there aren't that many of us

Perhaps I've seen spam in Hebrew, but then I couldn't tell if it was or wasn't ;)

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag This chat is filled with Dutch people! It makes perfect sense :P

Also that one sentence is making my head hurt.

> een aantal trucs voor het oplossen van problemen bedacht om uw accountwachtwoord te herstellen.

Luuklag

yeah looks like google translate

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag yeah... actually don't think I ever saw spam in Hebrew. @Mithical did you see such thing?

@Luuklag probably Arabic, which is more "popular", i.e. used by more people... ;)

@Luuklag what does it mean?

Anyway, fridge at work is usually a mess, somehow today it's well organized so I took a pic... :P

Top shelf is mostly my things.

Luuklag

7:58 AM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating It's a scam. They wan't you to call this phone number to help you recover your lost AVAST password

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag oh yikes. I prefer scam offering $100000 :D

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Where I worked as a weekend job you had to label your food with date and name, anything left after 7 days went straight to trash

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag yeah, been in such place in the past, while exploring new places outside my "ordinary" job.

Here anyone can throw away anything if it's expired, usually nobody cares. ;)

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Not everyone can be a Nigerian prince

Mithical

8:19 AM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating yes

It's rare, though

Luuklag

@Mithical What would be the market for Hebrew spam. For Dutch it would be 17M, and then take out everyone that's either to young or too old. So say about 10M people?

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

8:34 AM

@Mithical on SE? Nice... I guess.... lol

@Luuklag princess will be fine too. ;)

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Isn't that the sugarbaby scam then? ;)

Rob

I had some high rep people asking for tech support in the comments a few times this week, COVID brain knows few boundaries.

rene

@SonictheCuriouserHedgehog Now I have to decide if this was all a waste of time. Thanks!

Luuklag

8:49 AM

Yeah rene, congratz!

And yeah, it probably was ;)

rene

Ha!

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

9:11 AM

@Luuklag sugar baby sounds nasty even to me... :O

@Rob ?

@rene sure it was! :D

@rene Happy SE Anniversary!

Rob

The 40 dollar cone

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Rob might be, didn't check the price.

But for @rene I'll pay whatever is needed, he earned it rightfully, with hard work. :D

rene

9:28 AM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating is that for all our disagreements ;)

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@rene yes! :D

Luuklag

9:41 AM

@JNat cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/20837855/ganga-thara?tab=accounts

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

10:13 AM

@Rob I found the Chariot.

Luuklag

10:27 AM

Does anyone know which answer broke the sandbox?

It's really messed up right now, beyond use really...

@jnat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/20438156/webscrape?tab=accounts

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag I'm not sure if anyone remembers how to do it but maybe a sandbox cleanup/replacement may be in order

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@JourneymanGeek only @Shog maybe he can pass the ~~crown~~ tools to some developer? (name starts with "Y" ;))

Journeyman Geek

0

A: Formatting Sandbox

waffles waffles waffles waffles post temporarily edited so the sandbox is usable

@Luuklag that one and temporarily fixed

ooh

this one is a pain

I want to post a meta post on it, but I'm worried someone might actually go do this.

@Ayo quick question if you're free, and if you know

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek post it, delete it, and tag it status-review ;)

Journeyman Geek

If I status-review something then delete it, its still in your Jira right?

@Luuklag close enough!

I'll also invoke the anchient rite of CM Mugging

Tinkeringbell

10:39 AM

We survived the 'empty' post too, is this one going to be that much worse?

Journeyman Geek

I mean, in THEORY I think there's plan B, and that's reporting it as a potential security issue

@Tinkeringbell yes

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Hmm. Just write a post in the Mod Room :P

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell I was thinking another formal route, just reporting it as a security issue

I mean, in theory I could just email SE :D

Tinkeringbell

That's an idea too :)

Luuklag

Why rollback @JourneymanGeek?

Journeyman Geek

10:47 AM

@Luuklag screenshots

Tinkeringbell

And I hadn't seen it yet :P

Luuklag

ah k

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell not much to see, just.... broken page where you can't even edit any answer.

It's using ancient bug with pure HTML code/pre hacks, surprised it wasn't fixed in CommonMark.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Yeah I saw :) I'm still in favor of just posting this on MSE, and just suspending everyone who tries :P

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

oh... not relevant, CommonMark and pure HTML rendering are two separate things.

@Tinkeringbell surely it was reported already... let me see...

Journeyman Geek

10:52 AM

@Tinkeringbell posted for docs purposes. Then deleted ;D

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

hmm.... weird, can't find. :(

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek :D Now hope someone ever finds it ;)

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek does that bug run or ruin the page controls?

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag :D

Yes

@Luuklag the main goal was documenting undoing it :D

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating any 10ker would know better and realise they will face the full wraith of dog (tm) so... meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361565/…

I'm actually tempted to delete the answer and undelete the question

it would make replicating it 'harder' but OP worked it out first, and make sure the fix is available

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

11:21 AM

@JourneymanGeek k

@Luuklag nah, quality filters exist in other sites too.

Luuklag

Then its a useless dupe ;)

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag this might be, but won't bother to delete duplicates...

Journeyman Geek

tbh, that would result in the same thing on any other site

the problem is the question lacks meat

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

11:57 AM

@JourneymanGeek skinny

Luuklag

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/20785803/thom098?tab=accounts

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

12:37 PM

wth was that lol

ex husband..

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I don't know how this would benefit any spammer...

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating sociopath

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

yeah lol. Wasn't really a spammer, more like.... weird troll.

Luuklag

yay, our email domain is blacklisted by microsoft :/

which stupid collegue did send an email to 50 people at the same time this time...

Rob

12:53 PM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating In all that fire?:

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag LOL... how?

Luuklag

marked as spammers

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag ohh

Luuklag

Not really sure how, cause it's IP based

Hopefully we don't share our mailserver with different companies

Or at least its IP

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Rob there was just ash, no fire.

Luuklag

12:57 PM

Unfortunately, messages from [X.XX.XXX.XX] weren't sent. Please contact your Internet service provider since part of their network is on our block list (S3150).
You can also refer your provider to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. [AM5EUR03FT013.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com]

This is the error I got

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

Unfortun ately?? lol. Typi cal for Micro soft.

Probably their code doesn't support long words.

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating It breaks hard-coded, I tried putting it back together but missed a space

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

:P

Luuklag

If you're receiving this error, it means your email message was sent from a server or domain that is currently listed as a high volume spam source by a reputable global block list.

That's what I suspected.

Probably someone that mailed a bunch of people at one time again. Probably all in the TO: field

Rob

1:12 PM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Looks like a couple of shells:

Far more, way better images and angles here: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9307057/…

rene

1:48 PM

@Luuklag you could visit mail-tester.com, send an email to the temp address they offer and then check the score. It comes with a recommendation report, including setting up spf records adn dkim stuff.

Luuklag

2:01 PM

@rene thx for the tip. But all that stuff is (luckily) outsourced. So I just send them an email to fix it :)

Scores 9.9/10

At least Microsoft has the courtesy to let you know they spam blocked you

for a while KPN (a dutch provider) just silently dropped all our emails

rene

Yeah, I also have it "outsourced" but it is a pain if you in the end have to diagnose stuff yourself and then tell the outsourcing party to fix their stuff.

Feeds

Sacrificial architecture: Learning from abandoned systems

Ryan Donovan on March 01, 2021

One of the tough decisions you and your team may face as you scale is deciding between keeping your current codebase and rebuilding on a new architecture.

Luuklag

2:17 PM

@rene True, as far as I can tell we only have invalid DKIM, but that doesn't appear to matter much

Rob

2:28 PM

@Feeds Not a particularly good move to start with Perl, nor to move from C++ to Java - javatpoint.com/cpp-vs-java eweek.com/development/ten-advantages-java-has-over-c/15

John Dvorak

Yeah, Rust is a much better target for switching to

especially if you have already been exposed to C++

Meta Andrew T.

@Feeds Software design pattern: Sacrificial pattern?

Luuklag

@MetaAndrewT. Should we then dance around a piece of sourcecode while burning it?

Meta Andrew T.

2:44 PM

either that, or... the coder instead...

Rob

2:55 PM

@Feeds That's really a tiny niche of the overall architecture and usability design: highscalability.com/ebay-architecture infoworld.com/article/3041064/… and it's better not to look at it at such a low level: businessintelligencemarket.com/…

I think that the idea for the story came up because eBay is one of the examples used in school - it's not a "homework question", it's a homework answer.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

3:45 PM

@Rob yes that's the source.

@MetaAndrewT. 🚽

I sacrifice a lot in there ^

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Do you ever get working software in return?

Journeyman Geek

Depends... pulls out the bristol scale

Tinkeringbell

There's... an official scale. of course.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell actually.... many bugs were solved while I was sacrificing time and resources in there. :-D

It gives me time to think clearly.

Tinkeringbell

Ah yes. I do that while I'm sleeping, then wake up in the middle of the night, make a mental note to remember, sleep more, and don't know what I was supposed to remember in the morning XD

Journeyman Geek

3:55 PM

@Tinkeringbell Heh, I once was stuck in a video game, and saw how to win it in a dream....

and it worked :D :D :D

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell and so bugs persist.... :D

@JourneymanGeek LOL.... what game?

Journeyman Geek

Halflife 2

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

How can you get stuck in a Shooter game?

Journeyman Geek

in the ending you only have the modified gravity gun

you need to shoot the energy balls at a specific thing to end the game

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@JourneymanGeek oh... never did such missions, always just went for online pvp modes.

Journeyman Geek

4:06 PM

I prefer single player games since I have not much of a predictable schedule

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

Well back then it thrived with players from all around the world, there were many people at any time.

user400654

i prefer single player games so that i can decide to put it down for a week and it not matter. but old FPS's were that way as well

Journeyman Geek

yup

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

yep

user400654

now days everything has a progression system, so if you give it up for a week, you're giving up a week of progression

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

4:08 PM

@user400654 unless you pay few $ to buy what you missed...

Journeyman Geek

I was playing cyberpunk. Now I'm playing valhelm, which is basically me dicking around building things :D

user400654

^

can share a pick of my recent building

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

I play Castle Clash for 7 years... it's free to play but f2p players have no chance against those who pay.

@user400654 sure thing!

Anyway.... in the last few months I got into the top ranks by buying account from someone who quit.

I still don't pay to the company though.

user400654

can't get mobile to work in here

ohwell, maybe later

Journeyman Geek

I'm still working out building dynamics

I can build a octagonal building, with 45 degree angles but I can't roof it

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

4:11 PM

@JourneymanGeek can't you ask others in the game to help? Guilds?

Journeyman Geek

26 degree polyons work, and you can mostly roof em

You could do multiplayer

user400654

I took a peninsula with a low land bridge and turned it into an island, with a dock on the calm water side

then built up stone walls around it

Journeyman Geek

but I don't mind taking the time to yanno...

lol

I haven't even tried to fight the first boss yet :D

user400654

haven't put actual buildings in it yet

just my little crafting hut for building

Journeyman Geek

I'm now trying a 3x3 braced cube, and seeing how high I can get

user400654

4:14 PM

stone was surprisingly hard to build with

it generally has better support, but because the blocks are half the height of wood walls, you end up reaching similar limits quickly without added support

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

This? ^

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

user400654

there it goes

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@user400654 nice! Who is Ronon?

user400654

heh, someone who used to frequent js chat

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

4:19 PM

@user400654 lol, that message is automated (e.g. when a Friend gets online) or sent manually?

user400654

automated

it pings their location on the map, like a /s shout

i built that friday/saturday, haven't logged in since

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@user400654 so it might be infested with monsters by now..... :O

Journeyman Geek

I think they don't spawn near houses + you can build defenses

user400654

they don't spawn on pathed ground from what i understand

and since it was all flattened inside, it's all pathed

but it's also kinda like minecraft, in that mobs spawn near players

there's noone anywhere near that

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

Good!

user400654

4:26 PM

one issue with that design is... that boat is a target, and gets attacked by everything

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@user400654 so put it inside the house.

Gibbs has a boat in his basement.

Journeyman Geek

oh that's something that I actually need to experiment with eventually

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@JourneymanGeek building boats in your basement?

user400654

i could make a sort of... door'd bay to back the boat up into, but that boat is quite tall

Journeyman Geek

building boat garages :D

user400654

4:30 PM

and the sail is wide

Journeyman Geek

or more precisely, arches

and see how high I can get em

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@user400654 you rent sailors?

@JourneymanGeek does height really matter? (in the game ;))

Rob

Doctor Surgeon Lawyer vs. Cat Lawyer:

Journeyman Geek

builds tend to have a maximum height based on structural integrity

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@JourneymanGeek heh, very realistic.

user400654

4:34 PM

there's also some... ways around it

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

I do hope there are toilets in each building.

Journeyman Geek

no toilets

user400654

for example, wood placed on stone, even unstable stone (orange) count as foundation

Journeyman Geek

but you need a fireplace

user400654

but wood can't support stone

Journeyman Geek

4:35 PM

and there's smoke

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@JourneymanGeek good enough, make use of the pee.

user400654

so you can't do a back/forth

Journeyman Geek

I'm really early on :D

user400654

there's also iron-laced poles that work similarly, but are tall

Rob

Wood and stone construction:

Jul 2 '20 at 20:18, by Rob

Journeyman Geek

4:45 PM

I mean, I'd totally experiment with it (I have a specific design for my chimneys that lets me close or open them to the outside with a single door... ) :D

user400654

4:55 PM

it seems there's two options for dealing with smoke: a big enough area above them for it to aggregate, or... a chimney, but a chimney doesn't completely negate the need for area above the fire for the smoke to aggregate

for example, a 3x3 building 1 wall high with the middle square of roof raised one square isn't enough to prevent smoke damage

Journeyman Geek

I just do a 2m square base, door on the house side, opening perpendicular to it, and at least a 6m tall space above it with a 26 degree roog

user400654

but if it's 2 walls high, you're fine

or even 1 and a half

Journeyman Geek

yup

Feeds

Level Up: Mastering Python with statistics – part 3

Ben Popper on March 01, 2021

Comparing summary statistics like the mean and median can help us understand how these variables are related, but we can learn even more by using visualizations.

user400654

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