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3:34 AM

Strange of me to ask but... SO teams questions go on MSO right?

4:01 AM

@JourneymanGeek yes, they can post on MSO with 1 SO rep

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Oh, I have a little more than that :D

just saying that those who only use SOfT but not SO can still use MSO ;p

and now I just realized SOfT has its own tour and it looks more polished than our tour :/

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7:52 AM

@M.A.R. I am tired... don't need more tiring out XD

Sonic the Curiouser Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell Yeah, that's described me for pretty much the entire pandemic. Except since my work takes place only in the afternoon, I have no alarm and wake up naturally at around 11-12 or so.

If you wake up in the middle of a sleep cycle (e.g. due to an alarm), you'll feel really tired, but if it's at the end of a cycle, you don't, even though you've not slept much. Unfortunately, that depends on luck, so you can't predict what will happen.

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@M.A.R. jumping around through the house?

@MetaAndrewT. they pay, so they're actually Premium Users.

So yeah, it's expected things there will be more shiny. ;)

8:09 AM

"Pay 100 unicoins to get an exclusive shiny tour for yours truly!"

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Teams:

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Non Teams:

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:-D

8:22 AM

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9:04 AM

@JNat a new try at a backlog of cross site spammers: stackexchange.com/users/20659207/dienlanhthienhoa?tab=accounts

9:36 AM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Making sure the neighbors get the full experience

But no, we have this treadmill and I just run on the treadmill instead of jogging outside

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@M.A.R. neighbors below? Ours gave up on trying to ask us to make the kids not run and jump all day long...

But they also have a baby that cries every night for hours, so we're equal. :D

@M.A.R. what you listen too during this?

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I plug in some handsfree device and listen to . . . stuff

Sometimes I multitask

Practice German or chat on the treadmill

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Ours throw inconsiderately loud parties

Except the grandpa in the floor below supposedly has heart problems when it comes to neighbors making noise but is doing okay during a 110-decibel party.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Building up that neighborly love

9:51 AM

@M.A.R. there will never be a more appropriate situation for this video

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@M.A.R. but then all others in the house also hear it, doesn't it bother them?

@M.A.R. below or above? Doesn't matter much though if it's noise issue...

@M.A.R. granpa still dancing in the parties? ;)

10:21 AM

Does A/u always look this strange: i.stack.imgur.com/ckNXl.png

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@Luuklag depends, what you find strange there?

@Luuklag did you press j?

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@RyanM I pressed j now, nothing happened.

try pressing it twice (or once more)

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ohhh... I have Keyboard shortcuts disabled, so pressing any key won't make any difference. @Luuklag you have Keyboard shortcuts enabled?

10:30 AM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating not that i know of

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating the grey box

@RyanM Apparently that did it

Anyone familiar with the jewish faith could shed some light on the lastest report by smokey?

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@Luuklag ??

oh

sec

@Luuklag nothing to shed, flag as offensive.

It's just some anti-Semite troll.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating thought as much

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@Luuklag yup

but it was concealed enough to not be that obvious to me

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@Luuklag looking at the other answer. it dosen't add much either

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10:38 AM

@Luuklag yeah the question itself contains bad words, it's like questions asking for product recommendations that might still get spam.

@JourneymanGeek correct, but it might not warrant a red flag if it's a genuine attempt

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@JourneymanGeek it's also just one big lie, there's no such thing "uncensored Talmud Sanhedrin"

It's just for spreading lies/rumors about people trying to paint them badly. Nothing more.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I knew there is a Talmud in judaism, so it sounded fair enough at first glance

but it has a R/A flag from me now

another site joined

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@Luuklag indeed, and it does have a story about killing a person called "Jesus" in, well, boiling crap, but it's explained very well in the real answer.

It's not censored.

That user also have similar question, BTW.

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@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I'm also sus of OP

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I don't even know what a Sanhedrin is :D

10:46 AM

The Sanhedrin (Hebrew and Jewish Palestinian Aramaic: סַנְהֶדְרִין; Greek: Συνέδριον, synedrion, "sitting together," hence "assembly" or "council") were assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one elders (known as "rabbis" after the destruction of the Second Temple), who were appointed to sit as a tribunal in every city in the ancient Land of Israel. There were two classes of Jewish courts which were called Sanhedrin, the Great Sanhedrin and the Lesser Sanhedrin. A lesser Sanhedrin of 23 judges was appointed to sit as a tribunal in each city, but there was only supposed to be one Great Sanhedrin...

wiki does

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So.... who is this??

Possibility Advocate, Planet Earth

64 2

community-managers discussion stack-exchange-team

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@ShadowWizardisVaccinating from what I understand, someone who is handling the job openings on SE

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@JourneymanGeek well better let the site mods deal with it, surely they get more than few of those once in a while.

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....

@JourneymanGeek their occupation lists talent acquisition

10:49 AM

@Luuklag gone ;)

like you can buy talent....

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I'm amused-horrified that someone went "Hey, there's a mistake on a job ad- you should post on meta"

Its appreciated but...

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@Luuklag yup

@Luuklag sure, with enough money....

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating the staff indicator is caching ....

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@ShadowWizardisVaccinating in certain cultures, you just ate people.

fortunately that's no longer the case.

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10:50 AM

@JourneymanGeek to get their talents? Yeah...

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In other cultures you picked their pockets... :D

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@rene nah, turns out Yaakov is the Bringer of Indicator. Only after someone notice it's missing.

Staff indicator added. Confirmed official answer. — Yaakov Ellis ♦ 3 hours ago

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Not ideal but hey.... it works.

unless I'm cached, still not shown on mine...

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10:52 AM

@MetaAndrewT. reload, I do see it.

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@Luuklag oh, I figured it was a mistake but I was trying to work out CM seniority levels

and that was a handy way to document

I was guessing it was an opening for manager number 3

which should get the backbone of things set up

Not what I'm looking for, but its still an interesting data point ;)

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating What? I said a handsfree device. An earphone. Only I hear it

@MetaAndrewT. tags deployed

@Luuklag You've selected the post with a keyboard shortcut

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating sheds light offensively

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@ShadowWizardisVaccinating the funny thing is - if memory serves, you never actually see the greenhouse UI. I THINK I applied elsewhere where they didn't have it as well hidden, and I got very similar form letters

@M.A.R. apparently I did yeah

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can't remember which it was, maybe hubspot

10:59 AM

@JourneymanGeek yeah their also a testimonial on the site

I think Teresa is to blame for working with Greenhouse

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What's Greenhouse?

Not Redhouse.

@M.A.R. hiring software

I mean, besides a plant that has to do with eating cucumbers off-season

@MetaAndrewT. +500 bounty

I never get why people need software for that, you just put an add on your site, get letters, and pick out a few candidates

It aint that hard, especially if you have a dedicate HR department

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11:01 AM

@Luuklag dosen't scale i guess

@JourneymanGeek ofc it does. It has done so for ages. But it isn't fancy and shiny

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I don't know how big SE's HR department is, but supposedly they get a lot of applications for SRE and dev roles

And it doesn't cost enough to be cool

@Luuklag Shhh, our most important task as a species in this century is to forget how to do the most basic things so we'd create jobs for people

Monetize hiring, firing, tiring

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@Luuklag well - in theory you can bypass that

but that means having contacts

11:03 AM

@JourneymanGeek Not possible during the pandemic

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@M.A.R. like "I know somebody, who knows somebody...."

I'm kidding, @journey

Sets up a meeting with Gus

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lol

I suspect if a role that was open to me came up...

I'd have 2-3 people go "GEEEK! THIS IS IT! APPLY!"

But right now - well, dosen't look like it ;)

Come to think of it, the updated review queue has cometh, and oh boy/girl, it surely looks disorienting for a while...

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🧀➡➡➡➡➡➡➡➡➡🧀

boy/girl/CHILD

11:09 AM

the cheese moved someone...

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11:24 AM

@M.A.R. oh, thought also ear-free.

@M.A.R. you can't, requires a Torch.

@JourneymanGeek what is greenhouse?

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@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Its a house of glass used to...

Oh

@Luuklag this is @ShadowWizardisVaccinating

Journeyman Geek

11:49 AM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Its a portal used for managing hiring

SE's used it through at least 3 of my applications.

maybe 4

@JourneymanGeek Not a very high succes rate...

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@Luuklag I passed only the 5th driving test... all good... ;)

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@Luuklag \o/

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Ouch, how did that happen? I just passed the first time

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@Luuklag Pretty much, the job opens up, someone talks me into it, I apply and... well

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11:53 AM

@Luuklag probably I just didn't know how to drive properly... ;)

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I end up working with them as a mod :D

technically this time didn't count

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Didn't you have to take drivers lessons

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@Luuklag Well, you only need to get through once ;)

also one of the applications - I could have sworn was as an IT person in the NY office (just decided to give it a shot) and my email says project manager...

A role I was manifestly unequipped for :D

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12:18 PM

@JourneymanGeek why?

@JourneymanGeek one can always learn.... ;)

@Luuklag sure, took a lot. But something didn't click...

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@ShadowWizardisVaccinating So - I have this mental limit of how many times I'll try

I was pretty sure that the requirements ruled out most mods, so I didn't have that much of a chance

So - eh, not worth burning one of those ;)

I mean, I don't want to be like that aspiring mod who stood for, and lost nearly every election in early SE :D

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating ah well, at least practice made perfect

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@JourneymanGeek fair enough... :)

@Luuklag I wish! :D

Well you passed the test ;)

I am a much better driver today then I was just after passing my test

But in my defense I only took a very quick course, and got my license after 1 month or so

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12:34 PM

(and TBF - I really want to see more mods and other community critters interested/hired as CMs and other roles)

1:01 PM

joined three new sites today because of smokey

spam is getting to more obscure places

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1:15 PM

@Luuklag I'm at 123 accounts

mostly from spam flagging I suspect

@JourneymanGeek is there an easy way to see?

I think im just over 100

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just look at your network profile

@JourneymanGeek and then manually count everything under accounts?

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@Luuklag 103

@JourneymanGeek okay cool

my guess was about right then :)

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1:22 PM

my bad

its on your regular profile page per site

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summat like that

ah yeah

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I think I'm missing something like 5 sites? :D

@JourneymanGeek shog has 175

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Shog's kinda a former CM

(I thought there were 127? Maybe forgot A51 ones)

@JourneymanGeek there must be sede for that

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1:31 PM

stackexchange.com/about sez 173

@JourneymanGeek Last time I checked that one was wrong :P

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\o/

I complained about that to Yaakov, because it gave me the wrong answer for the hat dash quiz

@Tinkeringbell Can't be that wrong when shog has 175 accounts

I think the right answer was 176?

Might even be more...

I have 176 accounts now, at least XD

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2:02 PM

@JourneymanGeek good, less work for you when you'll become a CM... ;)

(manually joining all sites ;))

@Luuklag no, I just use the the search:

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Fun trivia: my unread inbox items in gmail is 103, same as your sites count. :D

Hello @Ayo!

You look good in blue.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Hey it's great to meet you here, hahaha

/o/

Hi Ayo

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Ouch how you got that far

My work mail has 32 unread, and I aint proud of that

O.o Neither of my inboxes has any unread e-mail. Though I sometimes wish I hadn't read what I read.

@Tinkeringbell I leave things that I still have to do unread

2:17 PM

Ah yeah I put those on Jira under 'interruptions' before deleting the mail XD

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@Ayo thanks! :)

@Luuklag most are school notifications, I don't really read them... ;)

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@ShadowWizardisVaccinating 263 at work 😁

@Luuklag How do you get to read a lot of emails? I think I need some help

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@Luuklag well, I get over 1000 error notifications per day, 99.99% of them are... out of my control.... so it's very hard to keep it clean. ;/

@Ayo Well not all of them are important, so I just scan through. If I don't think it needs anything from me I just simply mark them as read

2:20 PM

@Luuklag This makes a lot of sense! So when you go back to your mail, you know exactly what you need to respond to

If that was the wrong call someone will send a reminder in 6-8 days

Yes! I should start doing that, it could help with my loads of emails, haha
Thanks!

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@Luuklag well but if it's a customer (or in Ayo case SE user) they might just give up and think nobody cares.... ;)

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating That's where 'rules' come in. Just sort those 99.99% straight to the trashcan folder

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@Ayo are those the "contact us" sent by SE users?

2:22 PM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating If it's a customer you can simply tell by their adress ;) And I do get a lot of customer emails in which I'm CC'd. So still no need for me to reply then.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I sure hope those end up in a ticketing system and not an individual CM's mailbox

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating No, my personal email box

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@Tinkeringbell nah, I just add a Label, then I can Select All and delete, but still get to see them before.

@Luuklag Yes, we do, we have a ticketing system that help's us sort through them as we review

@Tinkeringbell I only have 1 rule in my mail, everything that is a notification from our file share server goes straight to trash

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@Luuklag huh

I cleared all error emails 15 minutes ago, already got 8...

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2:26 PM

@Luuklag I have a few... everything that's e.g. spam from JIRA but not notifications goes to trash, as does the SAFe spam, and the notifications from our server monitoring system that aren't related to the part of the software I'm responsible for.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating When I share a file externally it sends an email every time someone opens it.

I miss EU regulations sometimes, it seems both Jira and SAFe don't have to offer a 'never send me e-mail again' button.

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@Luuklag with their full name, address, and IP? ;)

@Tinkeringbell promotional email?

never ever never send me e-mail again

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Yep.

2:28 PM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating nope: The file XXXX has been downloaded by public share link.

that's literally the entire email

@MetaAndrewT. I'll make sure to send you an e-mail tonight ;)

I guess they do some logging back-end

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@Luuklag huh, so what's its point?

And in case its a secure share, they mention the emailadress that was used

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I have no clue!

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@Luuklag lol

@Luuklag our ticketing system (freshdesk) send auto email when client opens a ticket.

2:30 PM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Like the red indicator on your ticketing system isn't enough?

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@Ayo yes, that's harder to sift through than the work email, risk of missing something important is bigger... (e.g. mail from wife in my case... ;))

@Luuklag no, as I don't directly visit it. :)

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Haha, yes

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Guess I can, but used to just reply to the emails, or at least wait for email then go to the ticket through there.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating You don't just talk to your wife?

;)

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@Luuklag nope

WhatsApp, and rarely emails. ;)

2:36 PM

hahaha sounds like fun xD

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LTA: Less Talk, more Action! :D

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I'm amazed you managed to limit yourself to 3 kids in that case ;)

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@Luuklag hehe :P

@Luuklag Maybe it's not his choice :P

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@Tinkeringbell actually... I wanted only 2.

Wife insisted on three.... and got what she wanted. ;)

2:50 PM

As usual ;)

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lol

Which reminds me... @g3rv4 any chance you reconsidered another kid? Small chance with everything you say, it sounds like rough ride, but who knows... and world will be better with extra @g3rv6 in it. :D

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating trying to boost population growth?

What I wish I had known about single page applications

Ryan Donovan on February 24, 2021

Single page apps are all the rage today, but they don’t always operate the same as traditional web pages.

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@Luuklag what about you? Will you have more?

@Luuklag just one ;)

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating wouldn't know how to afford that xD

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2:53 PM

I know better than to try and convince @Tink, for example. ;)

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating She isn't mature enough yet xD

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@Luuklag oh... the money wall, yeah. Well, three is fine, I approve. :P

@Luuklag I'm too old for kids :P

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@Tinkeringbell no, I had my first at 32. Wife same age as me. :)

Cats are kids, right?

2:55 PM

Yes.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating We settled on 2, but then the second turned out to be two for the price of one

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Mentally, not physically :P

No, cats behave better

@Mithical That is why there will also be a strict no-cats policy here ;)

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@Mithical that's exactly what my daughter think these days!!1!! Did you... talk with her lately?! :D

2:55 PM

@Mithical according to my SIL yes

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She says she won't have kids because she will have cats.

@Luuklag oh, lol! Nature played a trick on you.... ;)

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@ShadowWizardisVaccinating That's exactly what you think these days!!1!!

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@Tec you're late for the party.

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@sha Meh wdym?

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Did you bring the cake?

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2:57 PM

@sha What party? What cake?

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@TechExpertWizard party to celebrate new two CM's

Cake or riot

Wasn't the cake a lie?

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@rene What cake? What lie?

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating The one stuffed with leaves?

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3:01 PM

@rene shh that's a secret

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@sha What secret?

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@TechExpertWizard of life.

Let's get back to serious business :P

Who remembers the old view of the suggested edits queue very well?

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Surely we can find screenshots?

Quantify "very well" :D

3:02 PM

@Tinkeringbell why?

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Better than borked human memory...

@Luuklag It came up somewhere that currently, when you're reviewing a task, you can only see inline edit diffs, no side-by-side or side-by-side-markdown.

wot

Once you're looking at the review history of a task though, you can choose side-by-side and side-by-side markdown.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating You're right. So go do something useful and get me that screenshot. First one back gets a.... pretty parrot picture?

@Tinkeringbell Only for title-only edits. :)

3:05 PM

Are you sure?

Yeah I just pulled a title-only review task up (already completed, though) and it was forcibly inline diff.

How about tag-only?

Yeah, must be btw... the thing I reviewed this morning was side-by-side markdown.

I could've just trusted my memory, darn it.

:D Also, apparently tag wiki edits force you into MD? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/28397965

Wait... that's not MD, it's just... fixed width. :/

@Catija At least I can't see any other option (again, don't have the rep to review either so take with a grain of salt).

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@Tinkeringbell yeah, lol. So no need for screenshot after all. :D

3:08 PM

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Not much room left for side by side view

@Luuklag Yeah, that complaint I did find ;)

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@Catija column width is similar, but still small

In that case it doesn't matter too much as text is short

@Luuklag So... you can get a side-by-side dif if the body is also edited but not if it's a title-only edit.

@Catija Yeah, this is actually my favorit way to review, but it's too bad the actions get crammed in below the review stats

I have a wide monitor, and now the site uses only half of the real estate

or 3/5th to be precise

3:12 PM

If you compare the full width of the page with the left nav to the review page that doesn't have left nav by default, it looks like they didn't expand the page properly - so there's the width of the left nav missing that could be added.

Probably another inch of space on my monitor.

My screenshot is about the full width of my monitor, but on smaller monitors it would be different ofc.

Yeah, but the width of your monitor doesn't generally matter for our interests... (nothing personal) we have a max width to the page we serve, so that's why I was looking at comparing the max width of the page with the left nav to the width without it.

@Catija yeah that's fine, you can't have one size fits all. Although it could be more responsive ;)

But this review block eating up a thrid of the width is not really helpfull

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This is what I'm talking about - two pages at the same width, should be keeping the max width of the top one, not forcing a smaller max width on review pages.

@Catija that would surely help.

I'm already in the proces of writing an answer to the announcement post

3:16 PM

Feel free to suggest it - just make your own screenshots.

:P

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A: Visual design changes to the review queues

bug The review screen is limited on max-width Here is a screenshot of both the regular site, and the review page at full width, 100% zoom. As you can see the max-width of the review page is smaller.

And a FR to move those actions to a better place meta.stackexchange.com/a/361376/361484

Cool :)

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3:35 PM

Almost forgot it's Purim today!

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@Mithical you celebrated it somehow?

Actually rewrote that bug into a FR, as both pages have the same max width of 1100 px.

They just didn't account for the sidebar

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I sure hope that's a toy rifle

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@Luuklag yup.

I mean, its as much plastic as a real AR, but with none of the metal

🔫

@user400654 Sticking with the water theme

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@Luuklag I actually think most gun emoji are

3:48 PM

@JourneymanGeek yeah might be true, not glorifying violence and stuff

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@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Only MS are the real OG

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@Luuklag yup

lol

Anyway the (real) solider in the image is a volunteer who got back to service on his own will to help fight COVID.

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