Tavern on the Meta

(also, having messed with it on SU - its a really solid design though... banner on the bottom? I mean, there's probably a good UX reason for it but... )

Tinkeringbell

8:27 AM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I never have control, that's super frustrating.

Just gimme godlike powers already. And no stupid 'fate' crap.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

8:40 AM

@Tinkeringbell because you don't press it enough

Tinkeringbell

8:54 AM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I actually press ctrl a lot :P How else do you think I copy-paste my code!?

Journeyman Geek

shift insert?

cue religious war

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek I'll be aggressively atheist ;)

Journeyman Geek

hm

I was looking up something a co-worker asked about at work...

and I was reading something before I realised...

Its a guide for CIA agents to avoid identification...

On wikileaks.

Tinkeringbell

I guess that means that information no longer works :P

Do the opposite ;)

Journeyman Geek

ALL I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE ABBRIVIATION WAS

well its the existance of a thing

Tinkeringbell

9:09 AM

Yeah, that's what they all say.

M.A.R.

9:23 AM

@Tinkeringbell I do often hear that. Should I see a professional about it?

Tinkeringbell

Beware of professionals.

M.A.R.

@Tinkeringbell It's like that Winter Soldier thing when my mind locks into obedience

Especially when the chant gets to the "de le oo tmi t" part

OBEY COMMAND OVERRIDE

Tinkeringbell

It's okay, we can fix him.

Aibobot

fetches the comically large hammer

M.A.R.

ACTIVATE PROTOCOL "FIX THYSELF"

Rebooting . . . please wait

Yo world

Tinkeringbell

9:30 AM

@Aibobot you sure you put in the right disc?

Aibobot

hm

gets an even bigger hammer

M.A.R.

What'cha mean yo, I feelin' fiiiine

Tinkeringbell

Talking about discs... I should find a cd reader to connect to the PC and start archiving some old cds...

Mom is talking about throwing stuff out again.

Aibobot

I have not had an optical drive in two PCs

M.A.R.

Something's wrong with my account

I keep getting upvoted on old posts for no reason

If it was one site it could have been a voting ring

I think I have an admirer or something

Tinkeringbell

9:33 AM

@Aibobot Same here, didn't think I'd need one buuuuuut.... if mom is going to throw out my childhood cds without them being available on youtube or spotify, I need to do something! She's already thrown out some old cdroms with games I used to play, and now none of us can remember the game I used to play as a kid a lot XD

We still found some floppies with Windows 3.1 when looking for it though XD

M.A.R.

My disk drive is stuck and makes funny noises whenever I restart my computer

Aibobot

lol

I have a large pile of disks from my 486 I cannot bring myself to throw out

'in case'

Tinkeringbell

I mean, I'm terrible for keeping things 'in case', and not remembering that one game is only making things worse XD

Tinkeringbell

9:51 AM

OBLIGATORY "it just started snowing a bit"

Aibobot

lol

If its games though, inventory, and see if they're on GOG?

then just pick up the ones you want, and keep the ones you ABSOLUTELY must keep

Tinkeringbell

For most of the games I did manage to find online sources... she's now talking about music CDs.

And there's one that definitely isn't on the internet as far as I can tell.

Aibobot

ah

cue.tools/wiki/CUETools_Download is my goto ;)

but ya, that needs an optical drive

Tinkeringbell

@Aibobot I think we have an optical drive lying around somewhere, I should ask my brothers. They will know.

Sonic the Curiouser Hedgehog

10:09 AM

Plot twist: modern computers are simply too new to be able to run said old games

Thankfully, my family never threw out our old computers. Last fall I spent quite a bit of time refurbishing them.

Tinkeringbell

That's what emulators are for ;)

Sonic the Curiouser Hedgehog

That's just not the same, though

I'm not only sentimentally attached to the data/software, but the hardware I used to use it on as well

Tinkeringbell

Meh, for this game, if I knew again what it was called and where I could find it, that would be enough. I'm not actually going to play it again, it was a toddler game that taught counting XD

Journeyman Geek

10:48 AM

Hence the suggestion of GOG - since they actually provide decent dosbox and other tools set up to run the game

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusader:_No_Remorse I used to play this a lot as a teen, but lent the disk to a friend who lost it...

couldn't find another copy. Ended up getting and playing through it on GOG :D

Tinkeringbell

Nice! And lesson learned, never loan stuff :P

Aibobot

11:13 AM

Also, the 90s was an interesting era...

the 90s and 00s was interesting you got loads of shovelware in huge cd hangy sleeve things, cds in supermarkets, a bustling piracy scene...

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, things are definitely more boring nowadays :P

Aibobot

MS just tries to sneak in copies of candy crush

Tinkeringbell

Nothing wrong with candy crush, except when you reach the levels where you have to pay to win.

Aibobot

its the sneaking in I take exception to

I'll even pay full price for free software

Tinkeringbell

XD I pay full price for free stuff too

Since the full price of free stuff is often 'null'.

Though at some times it's selling yourself and your private data for free stuff.

Feeds

2:11 PM

The Overflow #56: An engineering argument

Ryan Donovan on January 15, 2021

Welcome to ISSUE #56 of the Overflow! This newsletter is by developers, for developers, written and curated by the Stack Overflow team and Cassidy Williams at Netlify. This week, we say farewell to Winterbash 2020, look for evidence that a program is being emulated, and create a chess AI that matches the skill of a player instead of…

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, that was a new one - though, I feel like I've seen banners on the bottom of several sites for things like this and changes to the ToS and other things... so I don't think it's out of standard?

Journeyman Geek

2:48 PM

@Catija Well - on top's a little more obvious + I suspect folks will mostly take it as a positive change

Front and center is better :D

Catija

3:30 PM

People complain about banners all the time... we never seem to be able to get them just right.

rene

Banners suddenly popup and they get in your way. That is unexpected. Maybe you should try pre-announcement banners: In 6 to 8 minutes an annoying banner will pop up. Click to dismiss ... I see myself out ....

user400654

3:57 PM

I haven't seen a banner in a really long time, think the last one was for the podcast or somethign similar

Rob

4:24 PM

They are frequent enough, and not well positioned, look how it blocks the Top Bar; forcing you to dismiss it rather than taking the time to read it:

It's in the Low Quality Posts queue, and on its way out.

rene

ok

Feeds

4:53 PM

The floor should be slightly curved, but we haven't figured out artificial gravity yet, so for now we just added a trace intoxicating gas to the air that messes with your inner ear and gives you a sense that the ground is tilting away from you.

Nord The Lofty Wizard

wave been a while i was here

so uh, any place where it would be the best/most appropriate, to talk about mindmapping or anything related to that?

would be quite surprised if there was a place for that, though i hope a bit there is

rene

@NordTheLoftyWizard maybe on The Workplace.se, or Project Managers.se ?

Nord The Lofty Wizard

@rene hmm, knew one but not the other, Thanks!

rene

@NordTheLoftyWizard I can imagine it to be a technique used in many fields so I expect you find people that do mindmapping across different SE sites but I think it is a bit of niche to tie it to one specific site. Asking around in chat is probably the best bet ....

Nord The Lofty Wizard

5:10 PM

@rene yeah, but my question even though easy to answer is kinda specific and nitpicked :P which is why i wanted a specific or maybe a place where those kind of related questions come up...

so i guess i might as well try here: Does anyone use mindmapping here? (pen and paper doesn't count here!)

(not the question i want to ask, but it'll help to ask it to someone who use that already)

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

5:26 PM

@Tinkeringbell like this:

Duh! :D

@NordTheLoftyWizard shame! :P

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating That one is nowhere near red!

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell of course, this is your servant parrot, not you. :D

Tinkeringbell

Hmm. Parrot-underlings sounds okay.

Ollie

5:41 PM

@rene Has the pull request for the SEDE login returnURL been merged and deployed?

rene

@Ollie No, that didn't get past Nick his review because I introduced an open redirect loop which is a no-no from a security point-of-view. I haven't revisited the code bits to come-up with a better solution.

Ollie

@rene Ah...

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Aww, really?

It's not just any Meta site.

Nord The Lofty Wizard

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating hey, been a while!

how you're doing?

nice new pfp, is it a black hole? a pulsar? @Ollie

I forgot what was the last one, think this was orange-ish

Ollie

5:59 PM

@NordTheLoftyWizard I went to look for a pulsar and found that. There were far more colorful ones, but this one looks nice up close. Also went great with my Vexillologist hat.

@NordTheLoftyWizard It was a solar eclipse.

Hmm...

Is the string "Following" in Transifex?

Rob

6:15 PM

@rene It has 5 DVs and 5 deletion votes; yet the plagiarized answer lingers.

Ollie

@Rob I was thinking about bug-reporting that. How many votes does it usually need?

Rob

JAS

Ollie

@Rob ?

DavidPostill

@rene It's gone away :)

Ollie

Six del-votes?

Rob

6:25 PM

3 minimum, 10 if it's popular.

Ollie

So it was erring on the popular side.

Rob

@Ollie Obviously, it's the Journal of Archaeological Science, it couldn't be Judge Acronyms Soundly.

The Banner's link points here: meta.stackexchange.com/help/deleted-answers - took 6 for some reason; seems excessive.

rene

6:42 PM

I'm obviously bad at explaining things: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/359643/…

Catija

Ummm... are the daily vote summaries working for y'all? I just see "N/A".

For example - meta.stackexchange.com/posts/359561/…

@rene Eh, I understood exactly what you meant.

... however, I don't understand his reply to me.

rene

@Catija same for me

Voting has unshipped ...

@Catija well, I wouldn't try to grasp it. I believe this is part of the line of reasoning: Roomba is bad because I found 6 to 8 examples that had value. If you try to argue that roomba isn't bad overall, that is not in their interest.

Tinkeringbell

@Catija Seems okay to me? But the votes are under 'comment' :P

The N/A is under 'by'

And I see people were happily discussing the thing I was writing in an answer in comments XD

rene

Yeah, that is a bug. I can't see who voted. Can that be fixed?

@Tinkeringbell yes, you did a better job then me, I opted for being lazy.

Tinkeringbell

7:00 PM

@rene The problem really doesn't seem a problem at all to me, if the SEDE query is right: Then there's only 5/6 questions that were actually deleted by the roomba twice, and only one of them now has a really huge positive score. I would be curious to see if the anonymous voting statistics on these posts show some huge support, but the views suggest not?

On a site as big as SO, thats... negligible.

And I think at least two could've prevented from being deleted twice if the OP had had their self-answer ready to go at the moment of undeletion ;)

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Ollie still, swag for just posting things people agree with feels wrong even for me. ;)

@NordTheLoftyWizard indeed! And I got new Wizard while you were away, @TechExpertWizard to be accurate. ;)

@Ollie it also fits meta, as a meta site it should be gray-ish... :D

Tech Expert Wizard

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Huh? sha? What? Yeah, I'm a wizard now and I kinda actually noticed Nord the Lofty Wizard ;)

user400654

🚻

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@rene more like people tend to block themselves when you explain...

rene

@Tinkeringbell here you go: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1358691/…

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

7:05 PM

@user400654 no more actual toilets? :(

@TechExpertWizard what what? ;)

Tech Expert Wizard

@sha What what what? I didn't think you'd ping me ;)

Tinkeringbell

@rene So, not really :P

Tech Expert Wizard

@sha Hey, wanna come over to our cafe for a moment?

@sha? Ya there?

rene

@Tinkeringbell that is what I thought, yes.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Catija something with rant about the really good answers/questions not getting the love they deserve.

Tech Expert Wizard

7:08 PM

Hey, @sha, I haven't used the Smokey fun commands for a while, can I try them out again?

Ann Zen

hey, I didn't know that the command was public!

Tech Expert Wizard

@Ann Don't play with Smokey too much, Smokey ain't supposed to be a fun bot, it's supposed to detect spam and tell people about it.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@TechExpertWizard nah, just came for quick visit and reply to people, going to put kids in bed(s), make supper for wife and me, then some "me" time. :D

Tech Expert Wizard

@Ann I got into a bit of trouble 3 weeks ago when I was playing with Smokey :(

@sha Oh... How about a quick visit to our cafe too?

Ann Zen

@TechExpertWizard how?

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

7:10 PM

@TechExpertWizard of course I'll ping you... I ping even @M.A.R. when I don't forget.

Tinkeringbell

@rene I'm getting the impression that peterh would be better off with different Roomba criteria than making everything ineligible for deleting twice.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

:D

Ann Zen

@tech too many pings?

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@TechExpertWizard don't ask me, I have no powers here.

Tech Expert Wizard

@Ann Well, I am getting a lot of pings these days, but I'm gonna explain...

@sha Well, meh, just tried two so I can't get into any big trouble like that time, right?

in Ann, Tec, and Vic's Café, 11 secs ago, by TechBOT

@TechExpertWizard brews a cup of cortado for @sha

@sha Come on, my chatbot's inviting you over here ;)

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

7:11 PM

@TechExpertWizard no time, actually I'm over my time already, wife will start to get annoyed soon. ;)

Tech Expert Wizard

@sha Oh... :( Well, ok...

@Ann OK, so lemme explain ;)

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@AnnZen by abusing it with dozens of commands

Ann Zen

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating bye ^^

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@AnnZen cya!

Tech Expert Wizard

@Ann Um, yes, that's kinda what I did, lemme give you the conversation bookmark ;)

@sha cya!

Ann Zen

7:12 PM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating oh...

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@TechExpertWizard two is fine, yes.

Tech Expert Wizard

@Ann But don't tell anyone else...

@sha Yeah, of course they can't be that strict and stringent lol ;D ;)

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@TechExpertWizard they can, actually, but not always

Tech Expert Wizard

@sha It's nonsense for them to say I'm whatever if I just played with Smokey for two commands, right?

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

e.g. here I almost can't discuss my favorite topic(s).... ;)

Tech Expert Wizard

7:13 PM

@Ann I can't find it...

@sha What's your favorite topic(s)?

Please don't say it's p**p...

Tinkeringbell

Don't try to trick people into getting into trouble, please.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@TechExpertWizard you're not wrong

Tech Expert Wizard

@Tink I'm not trying to get sha into trouble ;)

@sha Oh... Well, I knew no one would like someone talking about that here, so I think Hans is probably not welcome here if he talks about that...

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell meh, worst case I'll get suspended. ;)

Tech Expert Wizard

@sha I wasn't trying to trick you, my friend ;)

Tinkeringbell

7:15 PM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating That would make a nice and quiet weekend... we should do that every Friday!

Tech Expert Wizard

@Tink What?!

Tinkeringbell

Random chat-bans during Happy Hour :D

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell too quiet, you'll all miss my... special stuff. :D

Tech Expert Wizard

@sha P?

oops...

@sha I hope you get the idea...

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Yeah, I'd miss that a lot... like a toothache :P

Tech Expert Wizard

7:17 PM

@sha You're one of my best friends...

Well, goodbye everyone, I just came here to respond to @sha's ping 😉 I got carried away from what I was doing at the moment 😉

rene

@Tinkeringbell that is probably a good conclusion

Rob

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I remember a discussion last year where a few people have 100's of K reputation and zero posts, but I couldn't find it. There are a couple of SEDE queries for the other odd possibilities, only one post or no questions: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1300418/… or data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1207352/… (Saints).

Tinkeringbell

@rene I do those, sometimes! :D

Catija

7:46 PM

@rene Oh, goodie. :/

Rob

Here is a query, but the postless users have low rep: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/635080/…

Then there's one question Matt, with higher SO rep than you:

mattshane, Athens, GA

83.7k 3 15 5

Nord The Lofty Wizard

8:05 PM

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Nice!

@TechExpertWizard wave Hi, pleasure to meet a fellow wizard

🔭

Is that a telescope?

it is

What do you need that for? :P

DavidPostill

@Tinkeringbell Looking through your window? :)

Tinkeringbell

8:15 PM

Not much to see with a telescope here, light pollution is too much :(

user400654

here the issue is trees moreso than light pollution

Tinkeringbell

Oh, there's some trees here too...

But yeah, would love a place where I could actually put a telescope :D

user400654

there's tall pines in every direction, so anything lower than that just isn't visible, but at least it's a clear dark sky past that

by the time it was dark enough to get a good view of jupiter/saturn, they were too low

Tinkeringbell

8:40 PM

You do actually have a telescope?

user400654

i do not

sits in the... i'd like to have but dunno if i'd relistically ever use category

Tinkeringbell

Ah. I know that category... It's pretty big over here ;)

user400654

i'm sure i'd use it for a bit when i first get it, but i mean... once you've looked at various planets/targets once... would probably lose the enthusiasm. could see getting something cheap

Tinkeringbell

Would definitely be cool to have one :D

Rob

10:08 PM

@user400654 There are so many closeup videos and photos, and images from Earth using huge telescopes, that telescope sales are down; for planet watching.

user400654

11:05 PM

☕️

Tinkeringbell

11:33 PM

Coffee at this time? :P

Tech Expert Wizard

11:51 PM

Hi @Nord!

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