Tavern on the Meta

8:23 AM

In the hamburger menu, the link to chat now includes a ?tab=site&host=meta.stackexchange.com. I can't remember if that was ever the case. Chat here doesn't have a site tab either. Is that a regression?

It does make sense for chat.se

8:56 AM

@rene I do know it's been like that for at least a while on chat.se, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was always like that here too...

IPS chat link has gone to host=interpersonal.stackexchange.com for as long as I can remember.

Maybe I'm just getting old and can't remember what things looked liked yesterday ...

On the plus side: Everyday is a new experience.

As long as you leave it at that...

Sure. Remind me tomorrow I said that ...

Snow

9:23 AM

You said that

9:35 AM

@rene I don't recall it being that way a couple of weeks ago, it simply took you to the main page of one of the three chat servers; depending on where you came from. Q#2: We do have a "Site" tab if you come to our chat server from another chat server, using the 'site switcher' (image below). Q#3: It's a bug because switching to our meta's chat main page shows SEDE's room as the only one available (here

(The Tavern) isn't listed). Q#4: There's seems to be an unfinished redesign underway.

@Rob but that is because you are on a different chat server. Chat.so, chat.mse and chat.se are not the same ad have different rooms, they are not synced or so.

"but that", which word or sentence does "that" refer to?

to point 3, the bug part.

I've posted a message in both SEDE rooms as a demonstration: mse, se

Maybe it had been more fun if the message were identical ...

Link from Meta's hamburger: https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/?tab=site&host=meta.stackexchange.com

Link from switcher': https://chat.stackexchange.com/?tab=site&sort=active&host=meta.stackexchange.com

/chat.meta.stackexchange.com/ !== /chat.stackexchange.com/

Notice the meta ... it is complicated / confusing.

9:46 AM

I see it now, but that's where the switcher takes you (from Stack Overflow's hamburger's chat's switcher) when you switch to Meta.

Indeed, the other sites take you to the wrong chat server:

Well, I think it always worked that way. The site switcher shows you rooms on that chatsterver chat.stackexchange.com which are associated with SO or associated with Meta Stack Exchange.

But it does not take you to the other chatservers - chat.stackoverflow.com, chat.meta.stackexchange.com.

BTW it does not make any difference whether you choose main site or meta site for some Stack Exchange site - the same rooms are shown. This was changed in 2016 before these two types of rooms were shown separately. (E.g., there was one list of rooms where the parent site is Mathematics and another one for Mathematics Meta. Now they are both in the same list.)

10:22 AM

@Martin Following your link "changed in 2016", then M.A.R.'s link in his question "This room" goes to a simple URL: chat.stackexchange.com (which takes me to the last site I switched to using the picker (Marc♦️'s word, or Switcher; what we've been calling it). That actual last site I went to directly was different, so either the server remembers or I had a cookie that

used the simple URL to take me to a specific site tab.

The picker ought to recognize MSE as a different server from all the other per-site-meta chat servers.

I guess the "simple url" takes me to the last thing which I used. That might be the tab "favorite" or the tab "site".

@Rob But then it would not be possible to use the switcher to get to rooms on this chatserver associated with Meta Stack Exchange (or Stack Overflow).

Of course, I do not know whether it was an intentional designe choice, that it is possible to make Meta Stack Exchange a parent site also on chat.stackexchange.com.

@Martin Yes, that's what is being complained about in Q3.

Ok, so I will add that I do not see Q3 as a bug. (But that should be clear from my previous messages.)

The last site I visited directly, from the Hamburger, is Space.SE. But the last site I visited from the Switcher was Physics.SE, and the simple URL takes me there (to Physics, instead of Space; the actual last visited):

For me chat.stackexchange.com almost always goes to favorite rooms - since that's the tab which I use most of the time.

10:32 AM

@Martin Well, I think it's a bug because we can't get to The Tavern; others may well see that as a Feature (benefit).

Back in 15 minutes.

But if you "correct" the bug in the way you describe, then you would not be able to get to this room - it is now the only room on chat.stackexchange.com associated with meta.

The questions is whether it was good decision to have three different chatservers and to allow SO and MSE as parent sites on chat.stackexchange.com.

I would hope that people who decided to do it this way had some reasons for doing that. (Being just an average users, there might be many details in the background I am completely unaware of.)

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

Table headers are now mixed case rather than uppercase

10:49 AM

I see @rene escaped this conversation almost an hour ago ...

real life is happening

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Understood, here too; just checking back for a second.

@Martin Yes, SEDE'S lone room should probably be moved over here with us on MSE's chat server (since we take their Q&As, usually): chat.meta.stackexchange.com

@Martin There is 'room at the Inn'.

Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog

@Martin Originally, the plan was to have separate chat servers for all sites in the network. But that didn't pan out because those individual chat servers had very little traffic each, unlike SO's server which had tons of traffic by comparison. So it was decided to merge all the non-SO servers into a single one. That combined server had the same amount of overall traffic as SO's one.

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I'm not sure if it's still the case today, but it still remained the case for many years later.

Meta.SE has its own server for two reasons: first, because this server houses some SE-internal chat rooms which contain content that need to be separated from normal moderators (who have mod access on chat.SE but not here), and second, so the team can test changes to chat here on this low-traffic server before rolling them out to the much larger chat.SO and chat.SE servers.

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@rene Interrupted too many times by people smelling you? ;)

11:12 AM

@rene Mine might start happening soon too... it's almost time for lunch :P

@Rob I am not sure which room you mean by "room at the Inn".

The link prior to that line, as rene mentioned there's a duplicity.

@Rob I am not sure whether that is technically possible. But I recall that when I created the room on chat.meta.stackexchange, some people said that old room is worth keeping for several reasons: !. They primarily use chat.stackexchange.com, so they would not notice new activity on another chatserver. 2. Newbies might not even know how to use chat.meta.stackexchange.com.

Having said that, the old SEDE room is dead silent most of the time.

that ^

I still don't see any room called "room at the Inn". Maybe I completely misunderstood what you're trying to say.

11:21 AM

@Rob at 10:45 CET it is a fixed ritual including coffee, vitamin shot (apple), stand-up, other phone calls. That keeps me busy.

Also, "Inn" and "Tavern" are used interchangeably in English; "room (space available) at the Inn'" is a popular expression.

Tavern

A tavern is a place of business where people gather to drink alcoholic beverages and be served food, and (historically) where travelers would receive lodging. An inn is a tavern that has a license to put up guests as lodgers. The word derives from the Latin taberna whose original meaning was a shed, workshop, stall, or pub. Over time, the words "tavern" and "inn" became interchangeable and synonymous. In England, inns started to be referred to as public houses or pubs and the term became standard for all drinking houses. == Australia == "Wowser" was a negative term for Christian moralists...

If by duplicity you mean that there are two rooms devoted to SEDE, that is intentional.

So "Room at the Inn" is just a different name for Tavern on the Meta?

If that's what you meant, I don't see why you mentioned that in reply to that specific message. (Or maybe you meant the message before?)

@rene rene doing standup; a packed house.

Tavern on Meta is on the chatsever chat.meta.stackexchange.com - and it is not among the rooms on chat.stackexchange.com which have meta as their parent site.

We are well off-track; and with that I'm bowing out.

Meta Andrew T.

11:39 AM

room topic changed to Tavern on the Inn

Mithical

12:09 PM

room topic changed to Tavern Inn the Meta: MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS AND BACKLOG! General friendly chit-chat; general discussions about MSE or the wider network also welcome. [bug] [crickets] [discussion] [excuses] [support] [waffles]

12:24 PM

All in favor?

Snow

Um.. Isn't a Tavern a kind of Inn anyway? It's like calling something the Bar Pub. Or my I missing something.

Oh, you covered this. Didn't scroll up.

Q: Why was this closed and then re-opened without adjustments and why some comments left and other removed?

I just liked the wordplay... but it's probably confusing if you're not aware this room used to be called 'Tavern on the Meta' ;)

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@Tinkeringbell Ye Olde Cupcake Shoppe

or "The Prancing Pony". Totally because Lord of the Ring, not because ponies, trust me.

Mithical

12:42 PM

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе +1

Pimp Juice IT

1:21 PM

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I'm curious why a mod closed this question Time to reconsider the secret ballot methodology? and turned right back around and re-opened it without any edits? The comment was "Not suitable for this site" during that closure. I'm also curious to know if this is something normal or if any other mods...

discussion

Am I allowed to put link here for others to see in case they can elaborate for me?

On the post of course but FYI for here I suppose, just in case.

John Dvorak

Well... you can certainly try.