@Spe @Glo Did you want to discuss your edit and it's review?: meta.stackexchange.com/q/356997#357525 on meta.stackexchange.com/tags/tables/info - Spe, while the edit is pending only you or the mods can edit it again; until the review is completed - then I'd split the first link and correct the pluralization.
@Rob I know it's confusing, but I only wrote the tag excerpt, and am therefore shown as the author of a blank tag wiki on the revisions page. Martin wrote the first real version of it.
@Tinkeringbell I'm kinda hating every second of my current work tasks, so I can relate. And it is not like the rest of the world isn't doing its part to make us any less miserable recently.
... I think I will just leave for a while while you clarify the meaning of this message with @Tinkeringbell. I'm sure she will be very interested to know. @JourneymanGeek too, but doesn't seem around.
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@Tinkeringbell Just a red herring to throw you off as the local parrots expert. And a way to avoid me claiming that if the parrot was red, it needed to be rounder too.
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе Hehehe that's the beauty of it... I had someone mention it to me too, I never realized before. But it's funny that really no-one seems to notice before it's mentioned! XD
@Shadow10YearsWizard Oh, I have monthly expenses for Spotify and Netflix too, yes. And my phone, and health insurance.
But no, no games or apps this month.
Maybe I'll buy something for Christmas vacation, though I still have a few weeks of Animal Crossing to catch up with (haven't played since Turkey Day) and I also have a Professor Layton game I haven't finished yet. And I'm starting to miss Stardew Valley.
@Snow I probably should try again some day. I now have a Wii controller hooked up to my PC as well, and I realized I find that much easier than using a keyboard to navigate games.
[cont from yesterday...] guess how Google CEO replied to the media about the senior AI researcher that quit/was forced to quit? You're right. He said "We are sorry to see her go" without any hint of taking responsibility. Still not like our own case? And needless to say, people don't like his response, at all.
@Shadow10YearsWizard nope that wasnt my problem. The gray bar was there, but only the flag icon was visible. The others were not, but the actions were there.
@JourneymanGeek I'm being very stingy and saving as much as I can... I'm trying to reach 5k over my 'home decoration' savings goal, and make an extra payment on the home loan to bring down monthly costs :)
Sounds like something I could do, tbh ;) I've been using animal crossing screenshots mostly.
Of all the things I can get annoyed about at my workplace, luckily backgrounds aren't one :) But I understand you might not want to have to look at that.
@Tinkeringbell Most of the time I ain't even looking to those in the call. Usually have about a dozen other screens open and be working during a meeting
@Shadow10YearsWizard bookshop to drop off a Vinted parcel
@Snow I mean, I like that to. But some "managers" want to micromanage and make sure you're not doing what Luuklag is doing, and as such say it's good for "team-feeling" to turn on the camera. Luckily, I can usually avoid those meetings ;)
And even if I can't, I do turn on a custom background and just hope the VPN is slow enough to not be able to handle the HD USB camera stream, and then I can turn it off again because it's not working ;)
@Tinkeringbell Yeah, my partner's manager insists every use cameras on calls, but that's mainly about her wanting to see in people's houses and comment on them.
I really just wanted my BMI to be in the "healthy" range. Not really looking forward to any blood-pressure issues or other weight-related health issues.
@Tinkeringbell not really, when working from home it's expected the employee will work from a dedicated room, fitting that purpose. If they choose to do it in the bedroom (or worse) it's totally their choice.
So I agree with "camera on" policy.
Surely it's common question on Workplace.SE these days... ;)
@Tinkeringbell it's expected to share yourself, not your bedroom. You can just arrange it so that nothing is seen, it just takes time. But so is getting ready to go out to the office, e.g. fitting clothes, perfume, etc etc. So in the end, it's almost the same. :)
@Snow :D My weight gain has at least stopped since I'm no longer at the office... (mostly because I can have healthy, structured meals instead of 'meeting food' or grabbing some 'healthy' fast food because the train is late again and I need to go straight from the station to my social thing without having the time for a healthy dinner) Still, actually losing it is hard...
I'm lucky to have the attic to myself. But still my set-up faces the wall, so that there is no mess behind me. Does look a bit more professionel when having meetings with clients.
@Shadow10YearsWizard Well, I can assure you there's no room to arrange my bedroom in a way that gives me an entirely empty wall, there's just too much stuff.
Not going to happen. Work and private need to be separated, and work should be happy I'm not demanding they provide me with a room devoid of personality.
@Shadow10YearsWizard I don't think that's true at all. Many people have been forced to work from home and many, many, many people don't have an extra room they can use as an office. So I wouldn't say that it is expected that they have a dedicated space for work.
I worked from home since before the pandemic so I rented a house with an extra room to make into an office. But not everyone is lucky enough to afford that option.
@Shadow10YearsWizard Eh, if you have daily meetings and children, keeping the living room presentable for every meeting is a pretty serious challenge. And if you're in a couple and you both work from the only available space in your house (the living room), then it's even harder.
And if you're living in a shared flat where your only choice is your bedroom, it gets even harder.
ha! No, you didn't. But you did say it is "expected" that people will have a dedicated room. That's what I disagreed with, I can't see how it could possibly be expected since so many people simply won't have another room available and are not working from home by their own choice.
@terdon to be honest, didn't think about it much. Still think this way but now with both you and @Tink having opposite opinion, will put more thought into it. Results tomorrow-ish. ;)
(Personally, I do my meetings in the kids play room, which is a mess. I just don't mind.)
@Shadow10YearsWizard I think that the relevant part is "not working from home by their own choice". While it does have its fair share of advantages, it is not something most had time to plan for.
@Shadow10YearsWizard To me, it also depends a bit on... now that I'm working from home, I'm suddenly expected to let every man into my bedroom, but when I was working at the office, if I needed to call in, I could call in by phone and just audio? That just feels SO wrong to me.
@Tinkeringbell yeah, and some other have older relatives at home - or whatever other "risk category" one could think of - and probably wouldn't like to have a team of sneezing builders going around the house, that was what I meant ^_^
@Tinkeringbell Yeah. my partner has had to remove anything personal in view of her laptop camera. She's upstairs in the study, not the bedroom, but still - there's no photos or anything else discussable in her background.
Like I said, that's not really an option for me. Right now, my desk is on one wall, on the wall behind me are my bookshelves... there's no way I could move those to another wall.
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@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе Heh. I sleep with my window open, which adds another camera problem: In the mornings, my bedroom is freezing cold. So for the first hour or three, I work while wearing a blanket. Sorry, can't turn on the camera XD
You're sounding like a manager. Honestly, if I call in so you can give me status update on the unit, sound and a powerpoint perhaps work fine.
Faces are IMO only needed for 'fun' and 'social', and work calls aren't that ;)
That's not quite true actually. When you regularly work remotely, having faces in meetings is really helpful: you get to know your coworkers better, you can communicate MUCH better since facial expressions come into play, and you can also read the room. It is absolutely horrible to be talking/presenting and not being able to see anybody's face. You have no idea if they're following you, if you need to explain something better, if they're all asleep...
While I haven't pushed to make it obligatory, I do much prefer it when people do me the courtesy of turning their camera on. I just also accept and acknowledge that there are valid reasons not to turn it on.
@Shadow10YearsWizard A flea circus, compared to a quantum computer; recently China's newest attempt took 200 seconds to provide an answer that would have taken the world's fastest supercomputer approximately 2.5 billion years to carry out the same calculations. Source. Earth is only 4.54 billion years old.
Much of the data currently exchanging hands can be viewed as human-centric. We are not the only consumers of the web though, and someday that data may be made easier to read by those non-human consumers.
@Rob Sorry I didn't reply to this earlier. I don't think the technical limitations of tables in markdown need to be highlighted in a tag wiki. Also, text beside the link says "Announcement of the support for tables" not "Note: Mathjax does not fully function inside of tables" - If that was something you wanted included, you're most welcome to suggest an edit to it, but I personally don't think it needs to be in there.
@Spevacus I'm on the fence, @Martin (says Glo) put the information in there for a reason; and I saw the edit removing it. That's why I said it should be split, the answer being a note. It's much better to ditch tables and use straight MathJax (which has far better table support) if the site supports it. Just informing you of the reason for the outcome of the review; there's no "accept and Improve" or "reject and edit" button.
Those buttons do exist for 20kers, I think. Also, I hear you, I'm sure we could work it in as a note. I missed your chat message prior to the review's outcome, so I couldn't reach a compromise on that front.
@Spevacus No problem. As it came to me it "deviated from the author's intent" (which is a valid rejection reason, which I always apply if one fits exactly) combined with a single character edit. --- Rather than choosing the pre-cut template I used the custom reason to provide you with more exact feedback.
That's difficult to simply say yes or no to. If someone is following you around, commenting on your posts, accusing you of breaking the rules, then I suppose that constitutes harassment - But I would flag that for mod attention and explain the whole situation. If it's just a user saying "That's against the rules!" Then I'm not sure that's really harassment. Probably No Longer Needed, and depending upon the wording, unfriendly.
But a lot of people feel accused without there being any accusation, and if I need to twist my brain to see the accusation or how it is false, I'm going to decline the flag.
Something like I'm suspicious of that deleted account that bore the answer you accepted. You must've it created to hoard rep. The comment gets upvoted, the post gets downvoted.
@AnnZen Flag for a mod, custom flag perhaps. They can confirm the answer wasn't written by a now deleted sock and delete the comment if that is the case.
@AnnZen How about... just flag with whatever you deem suitable then, and see which get accepted and which are declined?
If they are declined, you can raise your opinion on why they shouldn't have been on the appropriate site's meta, and get an explanation of which flag you should've used.
A declined flag is a declined flag for the system, though if someone has a gigantic amount of harassment flags and they're all declined, they do become known as being prone to overreacting to the moderators.
@Rob and @Spevacus I apologize - I wasn't careful enough. I did not notice that I was linking to an answer rather to the question. (So thanks for noticing my mistake and correcting it.)
I'm lucky that I visit rooms which have much less users than this one. It's rather difficult make sense of previous messages if the transcript contains several conversations spread over longer timeframe and mixed with other conversations. (But somehow I managed to make thanks of it, looking at messages to which there were replies.)
Re: "MathJax has a much better support for tables". It depends on the situation. If you need a table where only a few entries are actually math and the rest is plain text, using MarkDown seem the more natural solution to me.
Of course, if you want to joint multiple cells into one and similar stuff, then MathJax would be the way to go.
@Martin If you are used to tapping out MathJax on your cellphone it's pretty quick and easy to see the result and what tweaks are needed to adjust it perfectly; sometimes you just want things to line up.
@Rob If I understand that feature request correctly, it's already status-completed. It was intended as a request to have MathJax working in the tables on MathJax-enabled sites. The same user posted this also elsewhere: cstheory.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3064/…
MathJax is supported in tables. So what feature exactly are you requesting? — Emil Jeřábek2 days ago
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