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3:48 AM
@Tinkeringbell And which allows Google (not Microsoft) to know the locations of secret military bases
 
3:59 AM
A few words on the new moderator age policy:
I participated in the network as a minor, back in 2013-14. Much of that participation was at my school, which had two major problems: first, with disruptions and interruptions from that environment, and second, the fact that many major services, including image host Imgur as well as stackexchange.com (but not stackoverflow.com, superuser.com, or other SE domains) were blocked there.
Which meant that if I were a moderator, I wouldn't be able to moderate any site hosted on that domain, neither would I be able to see or moderate images, or access moderator resources such as chat.SE and the then (and upcoming) TL.
While my school allowed us to bring our own laptops, quite a few don't, and so using SE at school requires using public computer terminals (which creates an obvious privacy and security risk, what with the rights held by a mod). I remember that 50%+ of my SE use at school then was on public computers.
 
In theory it's just as true for work
I use a non mod account on my office pc for that reason, even if it's not shared
 
There's also the issue of family wanting to know all about what one's doing, and also family objections to participating in SE.
 
Still true at 37 🤣
 
I was forced by my family to leave Meta in November 2013, and the rest of the SE network in December 2014.
(my father literally sent an email to SE management asking to delete my Meta account, this was before the 24-hour timer existed; at some points after that was invented, he'd send emails asking for deletion and the team'd respond by starting the timer, which I'd cancel)
Moderators can resign for personal reasons, sure. But family pressure to leave is different from that. Also, it creates logistical hurdles for SE, such as having to set up elections to get a replacement, questions about whether the user would be able to moderate another site again or if they'll have family pressure, etc.
I'm well aware of the long history of excellent minor moderators SE has had.
But I can also completely understand where SE's coming from, from a non-legal perspective.
Even after I turned 18, I still had fear in me that my family would notice what I'm doing and would stop me. Which is why I didn't rejoin the network until a year and a half later.
(To be clear: now they're well aware of my participation here and have no objection to it.)
And even if they hadn't objected, they'd still one day ask me what I'm up to all the time and show them exactly what I do, which would likely involve showing them PII.
(To those wondering how I was able to access Meta.SE while I couldn't access stackexchange.com sites: back then, it was hosted on meta.stackoverflow.com.)
 
4:33 AM
poof
 
actually most of what we do is out here
I don't think I've accessed PII more than maybe 20-30 times over the past year
 
If I'm handling PII at a given point in time and a family member shows up in my room, I'd have to quickly close what I'm doing to make sure no PII is exposed to anyone else. Which creates obvious questions from the family member (you were doing something illegal, you were talking to a dangerous stranger, etc.). And once I'd assure them that that's not so, I'd lose track of what I was looking for or thinking about.
That's not even mentioning Internet connection monitoring software or PITM software.
("person-in-the-middle")
 
hah
Everything I do is mysterious to muggles
But
age dosen't really determine how good a mod is
I know some 20somethings I would not trust with the keys
 
31 mins ago, by Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog
I'm well aware of the long history of excellent minor moderators SE has had.
Not denying that minors can make good mods.
 
and some 16 year olds (well, then) whose parents probably wouldn't have gotten in the way
 
4:43 AM
Just saying that there are other intrinsic factors at play, which might end up creating a problem.
 
and some folks who are good mod material, not minors and have trying family and work situations
 
Which SE would rightly want to not have to worry about.
If those intrinsic factors aren't an issue for a given minor, and they're mature enough to moderate, by all means, let them moderate.
 
Practically this is literally growing pains from an organisation that ran on purely trust and "eh it'll work" to something getting bigger and legal going "WAIT WHAT??????"
especially as legal isn't one person who started early on, and probably just got asked things as needed
 
And the minor mods who I know, the vast majority of them fall into that bucket.
 
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog That's just as much of a concern for someone with roommates. As always, if you're not in a position where you can effectively and safely moderate, then... don't. This is why I made sure to ask my parents before officially accepting the position :D.
 
5:15 AM
And even as an adult, you might be in situations where you can't effectively moderate, or stay in a position of responsibiity
and... there's nothing wrong with that
But - this has nothing to do with the ability or worth of a minor mod
its literally "Legal feels that the mod agreement is a legal contract that a minor can't accept due to foo"
13 messages moved to Chimney
 
5:54 AM
In case there are some mods around here - a request to unfreeze a room was posted in the Assembly about a week ago.
The Assembly was recommended as a room to request unfreezing in this answer: How do I unfreeze a frozen chat room? (Although Tavern on Meta was mentioned in the comments, too.)
 
@Martin done
 
@JourneymanGeek Thanks! Will you notify also the user who requested unfreezing or should I do it?
 
you can do it :D
 
Thanks!
 
 
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7:11 AM
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog but you do realize they did it for your own sake? That's something I'd also do with my kids if I'll think something is distracting them too much from things which I consider more important.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard True. But the point is, parents doing such a thing to their kids is a detriment to that kid's ability to serve as a moderator.
 
e.g. my (7 y/o) son plays game called Brawl Stars whenever he can, sometimes forgetting to do homework because of that. So I limit the time he can play. To me it's just a silly game, but for him it might be important. He even chat with friends from school in there.
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog oh, totally true.
If one is willing to become moderator, they should know in advance they can do it, in all aspects.
It's their own responsibility.
 
That's precisely what I said earlier.
3 hours ago, by Sonic the K-Day Hedgehog
If those intrinsic factors aren't an issue for a given minor, and they're mature enough to moderate, by all means, let them moderate.
 
So one with strict parents shouldn't try to become moderator anyway.
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog yup
 
In my case, however, they didn't merely limit my time on it or merely stop me from logging on. They erased my account, which meant that if I ever wanted to rejoin later, I'd have to start with a brand new account.
 
7:18 AM
And to other news... It's here!
 
In other words, analogously, they didn't just take away my camera, but deleted every picture I'd taken with it.
 
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog they're smart. They knew that you can find ways to "sneak in" while they're not watching.
 
So if I ever wanted to take up photography again, I'd have to start up brand new again.
 
Well, you could save the content elsewhere, and can still track it down, it's not deleted.
It's just not associated to you.
 
7:33 AM
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Q: Imgur image processing after uploading an image is slow again

Franck DernoncourtImgur image processing after uploading an image is slow again: it used to be below 1 second for the past few weeks, and now it is back to over five seconds. Tested on different connections and different computers. In rare cases (<10%) the Imgur image processing is below 1 second.

Anyone else can repro? ^
First image was still quick, but then it's back to several seconds for each.
Still better than the 10 seconds delay we had though.
 
I can repro, first thing I uploaded took several seconds
 
:/
Well was fun while it lasted, guess we can't enjoy fast image upload forever. ;)
sdc upload @Ollie
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard No such command 'upload'.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard Took about 3 seconds here on first attempt. NL, with fiberoptics connection.
 
8:14 AM
@Luuklag and further uploads?
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard same
 
9:03 AM
@Shadow10YearsWizard be happy, at least is not fanservice-gatcha.
just gatcha.
 
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе it's not? He did ask to buy stuff for money, of course we refused.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard Well....
I see toon characters, with some Mexican vibes.
compare with still quite famous things like Azur Lane.
@Shadow10YearsWizard Azur Lane has all female units cast, and lots of swimsuits... Fanservice-driven at its core. And it is not the only one, many gatchas seems to follow that idea
Brawl Star seem far less "uncouth"
 
9:29 AM
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе indeed, I take a look sometimes, and it's fine.
Never heard of the other one.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard I know the name because it was ported to consoles too apparently, and I saw it on sale on amazon and other sites.
Seems to be one of the two big franchises about "strategy warship warfare games but the ships are actually girls"
 
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе yeah, looked at it now. Well, reason Brawl Stars is popular among kids in Israel is that it has Hebrew interface. My son tried to play Among Us at some point after seeing my nephews play it, but couldn't overcome the language barrier. He can read English letters and few basic words, but that's about it.
 
9:46 AM
your meme status is being questioned @Shadow10YearsWizard meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19478/the-many-memes-of-meta/… ;)
welcome back Jnat
 
3 in 1, nice!
Any discount?
:D
@Luuklag swords clashed!
Now it's Mari's turn.
@Luuklag who is Jnat? I see only JNat here. ;)
I also don't see any @luuKlag around. :P
 
10:23 AM
@Shadow10YearsWizard Shift key can be finicky at times
 
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog my trick is to use the auto complete, then remove the @. Risk: pinging. :)
But when it's a long name, e.g. MetaAndrewT. it saves lots of seconds typing it right. :D
 
Not many people know that holding the Ctrl key (Option on a Mac) scrolls through words rather than letters, plus that's difficult on mobile
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard I like how how suggest that as a long name and not either of the two people having this conversation ;-)
 
@RyanM well, I'm just "Sha" or if one wants to have the long version "Shadow"... and SonictheK-DayHedgehog is just @Sonic. All the rest of the name is just noise that change anyway every few months. ;)
 
I do, of course, mostly jest ;-) I guess calling Andrew "Meta" is...not really the right name.
 
10:35 AM
Well Andrew made a decision to become @Meta, that's his problem. :D
I prefered him as @Meatballs!
When Norm was soup, I think.
Anyway, I'll probably rename again with something related to winter and/or winter bash.... suggestions are welcome. :)
 
Shadow Wizard Wearing Hat?
 
Dupe
I was already this.
 
rats.
 
Shadow Rats? nah
:D
Shadow The Hatter Wizard will be new. Star if you like, if this reach 10 stars I promise to use it, otherwise it's just another name to consider. ;)
 
Shadow Wizard Wearing Both a Hat and a Mask Because it's 2020 and This Definitely Fits in the Character Limit
 
10:39 AM
@RyanM LOL, way over the limit yeah.
Going to supermarket to buy some groceries and something for lunch. Maybe frozen pizza. Cya!
 
Be careful! :)
 
o/
 
10:53 AM
@RyanM Now I wonder. Can 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯 be used in usernames?
 
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе Probably. The allowed character set is pretty broad. Just don't count on @mentions from many people ;-)
 
@RyanM Didn't they restrict the set after someone used Zalgo?
 
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе You Monster.
 
Times like these I wish I had a sock for testing
oh wait, I have a zillion profiles...but I should be working or sleeping
 
@JourneymanGeek I guess I could try with "𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔲𝔰𝔢𝔯 𝔬𝔫𝔠𝔢 𝔨𝔫𝔬𝔴𝔫 𝔞𝔰 𝔇𝔢𝔯𝔭𝔶"
 
10:56 AM
@RyanM I don't know if there's a hard rule for that, but you'd have annoyed users/mods
 
@JourneymanGeek for using 𝓌𝑒𝒾𝓇𝒹 𝒸𝒽𝒶𝓇𝒶𝒸𝓉𝑒𝓇𝓈 or for using test accounts/profiles?
 
@RyanM interestingly, there was a user whose username caused a chat bug...
the bug was patched, the user still has the name
 
@JourneymanGeek meta jurisprudence shows that users were allowed to use zalgo, even if that overflowed on other users messages, so cute character sets should be the last of problems :P
 
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе Zalgo breaks things
Fractur just breaks my brain
I'll merely be mad at you
 
@JourneymanGeek ℂ𝕠𝕦𝕝𝕕 𝕕𝕠 𝕨𝕠𝕣𝕤𝕖...
but I see no reason for user renaming now so, :P
 
11:23 AM
.....
Actually that's easier to read
Its not my eyesight
Its literally my brains
 
@Tinkeringbell I wasn't able to resist... ended up going to nearby bakery and buying a toast.
 
Rob
@Shadow going to supermarket to buy some groceries and something for lunch. --- It's the perfect name.
 
@Rob too long
 
that's strange toast...
 
Rob
Shadow buying a toast ...
 
11:27 AM
"Shadow toast-eating-wizard"
is he a wizard eating toast, or a wizard at eating toast? Who knows! ONLY THE SHADOW KNOWS WHAT TOAST LURKS IN THE HEARTS OF MEN!
 
Rob
Doesn't look nutritious.
 
@JourneymanGeek hand made
@Rob might fit! Will consider.
@Rob well there's onion, tomato, and cheese.
All for only $7
 
Rob
That's expensive. It looks like a Cinnamon Roll Pretzel, with syrup.
 
11:42 AM
@Rob it's improvised, bakery didn't have toasts today (they were busy making those), I asked about it, and the bakery owner suggested to make me a toast anyway from the available ingredients. ;)
@Rob well it's cheap for whole meal.
@RyanM you can try and revert, we have 15 minutes grace period.
 
Rob
@Shadow10YearsWizard Is this what it's supposed to be?:
Bagel toast (Hebrew: בייגל טוסט‎, romanized: Beygel Tost) is a sandwich commonly eaten in Israel. It is composed of a pressed, toasted bagel filled with vegetables and cheese and is grilled on a sandwich toaster or panini press. While the bagel is round with a hole in the center, it is unlike the typical American bagel in that it is made from a different dough with sesame seeds. Bagel toast is generally filled with tzfatit, feta, white, or yellow cheese, green olives, corn, tomatoes, onions, dressing, and pizza or chili sauce.Bagel toast is typically found in cafes or coffee houses in Israel and...
 
I mean that would explain the unusual looking bread
 
@Rob yup. Nice find.
 
Rob
Google-ForU 🥋
 
Rob
12:03 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard Here we have tacobell.com/food - it's an oversimplification to say that everything on the menu is one of those, with variations on the casing and fillings.
 
@Rob yeah, Taco Bell is well known here, even though no actual branch in Israel.
 
Rob
12:24 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard Apparently the copy of "Taco Bell" was "El Taco", but they closed. You do have Mexicana, but that's not a copy, it's a huge upscaling of Improvement.
 
@Rob we, mexican food isn't popular enough in Israel, yet.
 
Rob
12:39 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard I noticed that there are a lot of questions online, why? - Speculation that there's not much travel between the two countries, but I don't know why that prohibits people from liking and eating the food - missed opportunity. It's not like it's going to be expensive or unpopular.
So there an immigration rate of 127 from Mexico, yet only 5 from Japan. Yet there's lots of Japanese restaurants!?
 
@Rob Yeah well if the people immigrating don't open restaurants... :P
 
1:16 PM
@JNat elaborate cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/19344651/purnima spamming almost identical questions everywere, in hopes of generating leads to a spammy profile description
you alive @SmokeDetector
 
!!/alive
 
@Tinkeringbell Yup
 
Apparently not dead yet ;)
 
Rob
@Tinkeringbell If you compare Netherlands Mexican vs. Japanese restaurants there's slightly more Mexican restaurants.
 
@Rob Perhaps because dutch are more into meat then into fish
Hence they like the mexican quisine more then the japanese?
 
1:24 PM
I've never been to either...
 
Rob
... and Israel the reverse?
 
well there is this story about fish in teh bible ;)
 
@Rob same, it looks like the takoyaki lacks tomato :P
 
Rob
True.
 
1:32 PM
I see poffertjes listed as similar to takoyaki XD
 
Rob
Puffertestes?
 
@Rob well it's about taste
 
Rob
Yes, those would be mostly air.
 
@Rob nope, no testes involved there xD
 
Rob
The fugu (河豚; 鰒; フグ) in Japanese, bogeo (복어) or bok (복) in Korean, and hétún (河豚; 河鲀) in Standard Modern Chinese is a pufferfish, normally of the genus Takifugu, Lagocephalus, or Sphoeroides, or a porcupinefish of the genus Diodon, or a dish prepared from these fish. Fugu can be lethally poisonous due to its tetrodotoxin, meaning it must be carefully prepared to remove toxic parts and to avoid contaminating the meat.The restaurant preparation of fugu is strictly controlled by law in Japan and several other countries, and only chefs who have qualified after three or more years of rigorous training...
 
1:44 PM
My best guess is that we love special things, ordinary stuff like Starbucks failed here.
 
1:58 PM
@Luuklag borderline, doubt Mr. Nat will nuke her.
 
Rob
Starbucks is just, expensive coffee.
 
@Rob and boring taste.
And not coffee.
 
Rob
A splash of coffee, with foam.
 
Starbucks for coffee lovers is like w3schools for programmers.
 
Rob
10 bucks please.
 
2:00 PM
It's insulting their intelligence.
 
Rob
Huge McDonald's coffee is 2 bucks, and perfectly good.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard that's their call
 
@Rob but seen as wrong place for coffee, so most people will never try.
@Luuklag sure, just giving fair warning before he'll say he's not nuking. ;)
status-working-on-password-strength-validator
 
Rob
@Shadow10YearsWizard Seems that it's the right side of the border, more proof would be better, there's just enough that we can see; along with what might have been deleted: sqa.stackexchange.com/questions/46343/… mathoverflow.net/q/378338/122794
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard If password = "test" then strength = strength + 1337
 
Rob
2:06 PM
Wrong sites, same theme.
 
@Rob still, nothing that justifies nuking, IMO.
@Luuklag yup
 
Rob
@Shadow10YearsWizard That's their mistake, they have a reasonably large selection: mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/mccafe.html
 
hmm... need to check for adjacent characters...
e.g. "n2kkk!9S" is nice, but not super strong password.
Due to the three adjacent k's.
 
Rob
@Shadow10YearsWizard Spam profile, only questions downvoted and OT; they came here for one thing, to promote their profile.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard three adjacent k's is always a bad thing ;)
 
Rob
2:15 PM
O's would be more popular.
 
@Rob still, it's not rare to find users with low quality content.
@Luuklag lol could have 6 as well. :D
 
Rob
Potential for Improvement.
 
whats the rationale in doing it yourself, there must be a gazillion algortihms out there to do this
 
2:31 PM
@Luuklag I don't trust others to do my job. ;)
And I hate regular expressions.
I'm 100% sure all existing validators use those.
So I'm writing one without.
More lines of code, but at least lines I understand and can change at will.
 
I did it!
All ready now, I got all the data I need.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard I think your missing a button or 2
Is this excel forms?
 
2:49 PM
@Luuklag yeah lol. My TestZone program for.... urgh... ~15 years.
I keep adding stuff to, well, test.
@Luuklag nope. Plain .NET WinForms application.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard looks awfully similar then. But yeah windows is known for recycling stuff
 
@Luuklag In what way it looks the same?
 
every way xD
 
3:04 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard the perfect UI
 
3:15 PM
@Luuklag All those buttons? :D
@JohnDvorak thanks! blushing
 
Rob
3:32 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard People are disagreeing with you.
 
🚽
 
@Rob why though?
 
Rob
Did you read the comments?
 
Why would anyone read the comments?
 
Rob
 
3:45 PM
@Rob too bad, answer already deleted.
That was raw spam.
Spammer don't always put links in their profiles; they're still spammers who were rented to spam random sites.
 
3:56 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard they appear to have a valid question on SO at a first glance
@Shadow10YearsWizard well yeah, the design is very much alike. Usually I don't use forms.
 
@Luuklag so? Might be "silent spammer" waiting for their chance.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard or compromised account, as that question was 2 years old
 
@Luuklag me neither these days, I'm upgrading security of old software.
@Luuklag might be, yeah.
I suspect people are also selling accounts.
Time to wash some dishes at work, luckily most are already washed.
 
I bought this account off that Tim guy like 13 years ago really cheap. Turned out to be a good investment.
2
 
4:12 PM
traded it for his keys did ya?
7
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard luckily we have a dishwasher for that
 
@Rob For some reasons, LdShadowLady seems to be quite fond of that one....
 
4:32 PM
@Luuklag got one at home, but not at work. :/
using @TCP IP
:D
 
Does your wife know you call her the dishwasher?
 
Rob
@Shadow10YearsWizard Sometimes people sell their laptop etc., and people recover the disk.
 
 
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6:57 PM
 
7:28 PM
@Mithical I remember: back when that existed, one canonical post referred to the 10k queue as the "moderator queue", while the real moderator queue was referred to as the "diamond moderator queue".
 
!!/alive
 
@QueenieGoldstein Of course
 
@SmokeDetector !!/dead
 
@QueenieGoldstein Not spam, just NAA
 
7:29 PM
@QueenieGoldstein I reported it to Smokey.
 
@Ollie where?
Manual?
 
@QueenieGoldstein Charcoal HQ
 
@Glorfindel helped me get some privileges there.
 
I retracted my flag for spam
put NAA there
@Ollie Glorfindel is omnipresent on all metas!
 
7:30 PM
@QueenieGoldstein Glorfindel is omnipresent
Not just on Meta's
I wonder if he has a money tree in his backyard, so he can be on SE all day
 
@Luuklag YOU are ABSOLUTELY correct...all sites have been last seen today
@Luuklag Maybe StackExchange made an AI compiling 11 years of so many sites lol
 
@QueenieGoldstein Glorf? We determined that he's a bot years ago
4
 
How did @Glorfindel's rep double in just one year (2019)?
 
Because he contributes very well to the community.
 
And very fast*
 
7:35 PM
(The rep league tables were retroactively recalculated to revalue question upvotes at 10, and the value shown there doubled, so it wasn't caused by that.)
 
@Mithical Anyone can do that. Just look in his silver badges, see if you can find the "Not a robot" badge ;)
 
I should also mention: as of tomorrow's UTC day (and today if you count years as 365-day periods):
Celebrating 3 years on Meta.SE today.
 
Wowzers @Sonic.
Although @ShadowOwns10Monkeys has been on the network for ten years, so.
 
The Dec1-Dec18 2019 is peaceful
 
What's really outstanding is that (as far as I'm aware) I outpaced every non-mod or staff in rep gain at this point, clocking in at 60k in three years. Glorfindel only had 55k in 3.5 years, then his rep doubled in 2019.
(That's after taking into account the revaluation, by the way)
 
7:45 PM
This ones taking long to go out of sight! math.stackexchange.com/a/3941892
 
There was an incident a while back when a (non-SE-related) author claimed a YouTube channel was plagiarizing their content by showing their content in a video, even though a link to the source was in the description, claiming that they didn't supply adequate attribution because it wasn't in the video content itself.
...because "no one reads the description" in their view
(got it partially wrong, it was an issue of plagiarism, not copyright)
 
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog This guy is seriously using neural networks (Style GAN and Voice GAN) to generate his YT videos...Look at the feed
 
🥏
 
8:06 PM
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog don't think the help vampire dupe applied. Sure it was a dupe, not that one.
 
@rene Does the question body of meta.stackexchange.com/q/135538/377214 address that question?
 
Anyone in here that knows a thing or 2 about a google home mini?
 
I have one! My mileage might be limited, though.
 
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog no, that is to prevent it from happening
 
8:09 PM
Mine refuses to worj when I set my wifi to 5ghz, it works fine when I switch bacj to 2,4ghz.
 
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog yes, that one would be a good fit
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Well both Den bots died...
@Ollie my rep gain is stable, yeah.
180k over 10 years, making it ~18k per year.
sdc 🚽 for @Spe
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard No such command ''.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard :(
 
8:43 PM
@Spevacus Kenny is back!
in Shadow's Den, 17 secs ago, by KennyBOT
~ That is gross ....
@FOX having more trouble though, something with rate limit...
 
9:16 PM
this feels like a potential teams sale :D
 
@JourneymanGeek Maybe they could put that German-speaking fellow in India on that, once they're hired ;-)
 
9:29 PM
:D
Posted a response
the bot is annoying :D
 
10:09 PM
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog something happened on Stack Exchange in the fall of 2019. I'd rather not have that happen again ...
 
10:27 PM
@Glorfindel ...but you profited quite a bit from that...
 
10:40 PM
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog it doesn't feel like profit to me (though I struggle to find the right word). We've lost a lot in that period :(
 
starship is in the air
 
10:56 PM
@user400654 not anymore
 
😃
i'll have to watch a replay later, i missed the fun part
 
It was pretty much as awesome as any failed attempt could be
 
Rob
11:51 PM
@user400654 ^ 2nd link = last few minutes, not a particularly spectacular explosion; small compared to some of the early missions - probably very low on fuel, the amount being exactly calculated.
 
mostly just wanted to see how they killed the horizontal velocity/how much horizontal velocity it had
will check it when i get hoem
 
Rob
That's about one and a half minutes earlier.
There's blue sky background, difficult to determine horizontal speed exactly, you can tell that they were coming in fast and fired a bit late; crashing slowly.
 

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