meta.stackexchange.com/questions/351482/… - new Articles feature

is there a live version of Articles available without being on a Team? I'd like to check it out.

@pkamb no

@SonictheMaskedWerehog handled

Are any Teams public or are they all behind corporate logins? Too bad there is not some kind of sandbox Team website.

@pkamb all behind some sorta org

Not all corporate.

So, they're Announcements / FAQs released by the Team's management (that they probably don't want edited, save for spelling - locked). Questions without answers, Games without frontiers.

@Rob I need to take a look but I think anyone can post em

There nothing on MSO, and if there's a way (method) to specify that you are posting an "article" it's not jumping out at me (though the new banner certainly does). Maybe it's just for the Team moderators.

@Catija we use MS Team's. SO lost the SE and CS professors who used to push for their model. But I've stated this before

Other models too, the main point is they killed the relationship with their advocates

@Catija Thanks. We'll wait for the blog article "in the coming weeks" for more info.

@LinkBerest it's going to take some effort and I'm not sure it's possible for everyone (it never is but it's not a solitary bloc.) I think it'll depend on if we embrace that Teams is excellent for non-devs and let people share content with other sites.

@Rob it was posted on Monday...

stackoverflow.com/teams/features/articles

That doesn't expand as nicely, but that leads to the Docs.

@Rob ..........I was very active in Docs (MS Teams has Files & Noes fyi) so that's like reminding me of a different nightmare ;) :)

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@Catija I was an advocate for using SE's model (to the point that we actually tried it) and there's still a chance it could move to a solid model if it embraces non-technical sites - my hope for SE actually embracing that chance just fades each year

@user1271772 also don't ping everyone :D

sigh not that I think you haven't advocated to this - its just a sore point when a committee finally listens to 2 of your recommendations and you have to pull one back :\

@LinkBerest The Q&A model's solid if you can get buy in.

part of it is though, SO is a site and a brand. It feels like a 'natural' way to do this would be to have teams.stackexchange.com/foo rather than having a per-topic/site team

Other than the original trilogy (and not even in 4 parts), the rest are in the SE domain

yep, but buy-in is much more important than model in committee cases (and if SO continues to be seen as a "solve my homework" site - I ain't overcoming this anytime soon)

ah

that's a prickly problem :D

The thing I'm not convinced on for articles is that they're default locked down for editing, which is completely counter to our usual paradigm. Heck, even Confluence doesn't do that.

I haven't had time to mess with it yet...

also other's pointed to their appropriate site (math, .... I swear their are other departments ;) ) and how it would just lead to more of the same

how do they roughly work?anyone can create one, needs an unlock to edit?

@LinkBerest not to math :D

actually physics and literal postings of pictures of homework assignments was brought up (they are closed pretty quick but not always quick enough to avoid FGITW answers)

ah

but isn't that true of the whole internet?

if a university is to buy-in to Teams - its really buying in to Public Q&A

@Aibobot cough reddit was brought up as a competing example (in a much more positive light)

Not going to comment on how fair that is (or accurate) but there you have it

By default, only the creator can edit. They can appoint individuals or groups to have access to edit. I think they can also make it editable by all but that requires a little poking around to figure out... there's not just a "allow editing" button, as far as I can see.

@LinkBerest and reddit dosen't have homework dumps? :D

@Catija ah

that might be a problem :D

(I also mod on reddit worldbuilding stuff but love WB.SE so I acknowledge I'm of two minds - or just crazy - dealer's choice)

I was wondering proposing having a single or set of articles documenting mod tools in depth :D

@Aibobot I think admins also have edit access... someone has to in case the owner leaves the team.

ugh :D

Yes, that can be a problem ._.

Yeah. People can only upvote, but they can comment or they can leave private feedback that the article is either outdated or incomplete with an explanation.

"can only upvote"

That last part is useful for outdated stuff... I know we need to figure out how to "flag" when an accepted (or other top answer) needs to be updated... I'm not sure how best to do that.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO MAH DOWNVOTES!

:D

@Aibobot which we destroy with fire the same as SO but perception is reality and if people aren't motivated to defend Public Q&A at SO (i.e. me and at least 3 others who were for at least 2 years prior) - shrug

no system is done evolving and covid has forced a lot of platform changes so - who knows what tomorrow will bring. (and if SE could start giving some love to the bio people and history people it would have significant impact on the backing at least at the 3 universities I'm involved with)

@LinkBerest heh, that's something I feel SE missed

sure, you can hire dedicated marketing folks

but to a large extent, your best sales folks is the users

always

seriously Chem.SE is a gold mine

(and heh, I am wearing my last SU T shirt at work :D )

I really should start using this profile to answer SU questions and get back to my 10k but I've been working on MS Questions lately for all that (with Joe Friend shockingly - okay semi-shocked)

...note, shocked point is that we agree on stuff not the MS factor

lol

Joe's fine

we've had excellent PMs so far and my main complaint is the inability to retain them :/

hopefully SE keeps up the trend of excellence and actually manages to retain the next 2 they're hiring

@LinkBerest Joe is awesome! If you talk to him again, say hi from me.

I'm guessing we should be seeing one in 6-8 weeks, one of the 2 job ads isn't there any more. :D

Huh. I ... haven't heard anything.

@Catija I have less information than you do, I'm basing it off the 'we're hiring' page

I ... did none of the peer reviews I was planning to do today.

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They're due Friday.

I have 9 to do.

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get started? :D

> This funding will allow us to hire additional support for the Community team. We’ll be opening CM roles, a second PM role on the Public Platform team, as well as additional developers and designers to help support the things we need to build.

I'm seeing a product designer role up, there were 2 PM roles (PM and senior PM), 2 dev roles (Senior Developer and Developer)

@Catija oddly enough the last post by him I saw was about SO (not in chronological order - I've seen more recent posts but this was just the latest I encountered despite the calendar date)

Legal is hiring a new director of some sort....

You gotta have targets for the firing range

@Aibobot you just pinged ME.

You are not everyone.

@LinkBerest oh more that almost all of this is pretty much as promised :D

I also see a few faces from the company I don't remember seeing as much on meta...

@Aibobot lol, that was just an old joke I remember from my days as an MP and I couldn't resist

@LinkBerest not funny when we take into account recent events :/

which was told to me by one of our JAG officers (military lawyers) proving he had a sense of humor and making us want to work with him .... that sneaky....

@Aibobot it involved the pepper spray we used not full "range" mind you

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but yeah if you want to delete it - feel free

dosen't sound fun :D

I got tear gassed before.

(training)

yeah, that was every year for every Marine

MP's got a "special" annual called OC Spray

and ... we made our lawyers go through it - hence the joke

^ ah, better video though I still can't find the funny ones (which they wouldn't let us post so not too surprised)

The face in the thumbnail is priceless (and yes we did this every year)

@pkamb The Charcoal and SOBotics teams are kind of "sandboxes"

@LinkBerest A "solve my homework site", that seems partly like cheating and partly like teaching; but certainly it's a better spin than: "It's a: I used to work in tech (electronics technician / computer programmer, etc) but instead of being paid to do my work I do someone else's work for free site.".

@LinkBerest That's an extremely tiny amount of OC. Here is a couple of videos with a one second long shot: youtu.be/3kJ-vGC-g9w?t=44 youtu.be/Asaj-hN-pSM?t=69 - you should see the joyful face when someone gets a few seconds.

engadget.com/google-lens-socratic-math-problems-102931355.html

Oh great. Now kids won't even be learning to use a calculator.

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@Tinkeringbell maybe have an extension that integrates SO with lens... :D

@Aibobot Then kids will no longer have to learn debugging?

:D

maybe have an extension that intagrates lens with lens....

So kids won't even learn to use lens. Yeah, that sounds like the best option :D

:D

(I do like lens for identifying plants)

Yeah, my mother uses it for that a lot too... identifying plants or bugs.

@Rob I knew there were some better videos out there, thanks

@LinkBerest Bear can is much bigger / better than human sized can; though maybe only 50% strength of military grade, the application (dosage) is at least 20x more.

@Tinkeringbell I used to work with 4th and 5th graders and in this area there was a big donation (and grant) for Chromebooks (which was in itself a great thing). I particularly remember teachers being shocked at how students homework grades were improving but they couldn't recite the information when asked - until I showed them what happened when you typed the first question into Google

and they discovered the scourge that was HomeworkHero (or with math, when teaching order of operations that Google just gave the answer)

A couple of places where I worked both had, and permitted you to use, bear sized can.

We had a bigger can (think fire extinguisher size) with our riot gear but we never actually opened it or had any inclination to use them (not just because all that nasty blows back at you)

To be fair, we only had 2 times when we were suppose to "break out the riot gear" and both times we ignored that called our field MP buddies and let them mobilize (one was a bank robbery - and the look on their faces when an MRAP with .50 cal rolled up :)

@LinkBerest It's important to mention that many places besides Google have mathematics, and show the steps involved: math.microsoft.com/en --- Google does more than just math instantly: support.google.com/websearch/answer/134479?hl=en

@Mithical "Why can I improve the downvote?"

@Rob true - but as these school had had old Windows 7 devices which students could only use 5 at a time (versus every student had a device) teachers had a bit of a culture shock is all

@LinkBerest MRAP is nice, but it may be more impressive when SWAT shows up in a stretch Limo.

Back in 20 min.

Terry Pratchett to Teams and education to OC spray - I always end up in interesting conversations here ;)

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@LinkBerest User 4 adds @Sha's topic:

heh ^ cause equations are images - silly Smokey

Actually equations are supposed to be MathJax there: stats.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1604/197829 stats.meta.stackexchange.com/a/1391/197829 but because their reputation is very low (everywhere) they get a pass; at a few hundred it gets mentioned, expected by 500 (or so) and you'll get some DVs after that level if you're posting images - book images are probably going to draw a faster warning than .PDF screenshots.

@LinkBerest I'm not going to pretend I'm a saint and didn't know my way around the homework sites when I was highschool ;) In the end though, the only person you're fooling is yourself :)

@Rubiksmoose And that's what it feels like to clean up after SmokeDetector :P

yeah, i mean, we were allowed high end calculators that basically did the same thing back in HS

@Tinkeringbell hahaha. Smokey didn't even give me the courtesy of waiting 20 seconds XD

@Rubiksmoose I've always said Smokey is male, because of that :P

@user400654 And then downloaded Mario off the internet and played that, instead of doing homework :P

@Tinkeringbell Interrupts the conversation Hey!

i was the opposite, i wanted all my homework done in class so i could go home and do not homework

@user400654 I did that for all classes except math. Math was boring.

(which... usually meant going to work)

@Tinkeringbell hahaha

(mostly because I stopped paying attention somewhere around the second half of the fourth year out of six, so I'd be stuck not understanding a single problem anyways).

That was a first... spam for milk, of all things....

Joris Driepinter ...

@rene That's from before my time ;)

Not before my time ;)

English translation: Youris Drypinter.

@Tinkeringbell as weird as it sounds, I remember milk spam from a couple of years ago

And I think I've made a similar comment

@Rob I keep reading it as "Joris Dryprinter"

Gotta replace those ink cartridges Joris!

Joris Bohnson

@user400654 heh, "allowed". My dad was an engineer and was not spending 150$ on a calculator I "didn't need" in his mind. We had Basic & C though - its pretty much the same thing, right?

Also I was not allowed a graphing calculators for tests at all (because they were only like 6 year old technology and the school couldn't afford one per student so if not everybody can use it - nobody can was my teacher's thought)

@LinkBerest that seems reasonable. You need to design entirely different test if graphing calculators are allowed to be used

yeah, Dr. Force was a good teacher (retired math & CS professor who moved to highschool) - people either hated his class or went "FINALLY! SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEIR TALKING ABOUT!!!"

^ you can guess which group I belonged to :)

He also gave me my first formal class in computer science (& programming): was in Fortran & C which I never use anymore - or ever in Fortran's case - but the principles are still ones I use today

yeah, i had to buy it myself

@LinkBerest Missed his calling, not being a Physics instructor.

Nowadays, many schools give everyone (grade 4-5 and up) a computer.

> Dr. Force has a national reputation as an outstanding thoracic surgeon whose research focuses on outcomes in and thoracic diseases with a particular interest . . .

But I'm dealing ATM with a milder version of the exact kinda professor you're talking about so

@Rob he liked physics but preferred pure math and computers - no accounting for this sometimes (i.e. that's also how I am :P ;)

Force = Physics. [I hear that engine starting]

Early calculators cost U$1000, or almost $8K today's money; for a four-banger.

Libraries here were starting to give rent-able wifi "hotspots" (like jetpacks or the like) for low-income families to help with student internet access (combined with the 4th & 5th graders having chromebooks)

I'm hoping they'll be able to start that again this year (covid kinda crushed the amount of those they had to rent - not enough data that was paid for through grants and donations)

Xfinity (and many other companies) have free Wi-Fi, even for non-customers, with continuous coverage in some areas:

it's spotty at best here

Most places around town can't access it, and it's nowhere outside of town

Not so good in The Sticks, but in the city it's fair (for free); some places (restaurants, malls, libraries, community centers, schools, etc.) have fast Wi-Fi for free. Some locations out of town you're lucky to get cellular coverage.

Wi-Fi saves me a fortune in cellular data charges - if it wasn't free I could afford to pay for it with a portion of my savings. You should lobby for free Wi-Fi:

That's a light month.

Noticed that a couple days ago, a moderator was appointed on Ask Patents, but looking through their meta, I don't see any election or nomination posts, or even an announcement. What happened and how?

i mean

"appointed"

if they were appointed, there wouldn't be an election or a nomination

Directly appointed by a CM

@SonictheMaskedWerehog They have only 1 moderator?

They had none before Tuesday.

For over six months

Ouch.

That's a long time to go without.

@Mast SE has never sought out moderators there. It was originally moderated by people affiliated with the project from their sponsors, then those left, and it was moderated by SE staff only.

Interesting.

Some sites have a few moderators, and well behaved users:

I saw the most offensive thing today. Somebody cleaning their CPU before install. (.mp4)

huh... that makes me want to go find one of my old cpu's

Puts CPU in washing machine

@Mast what... what are they using? Pins don't come off that easily, usually...

or am I seeing things

@ArtOfCode I don't know, but I want a gallon of that to fight fungus with.

@ArtOfCode if its brass coated aluminium, maybe gallium