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Sonic the Masked Werehog

6:15 AM

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/18919302/iso-kuwait

rene

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M.A.R.

Good noon folks. What's up.

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Q: Why is stackoverflow's popularity decreasing?

I wrote the following query on data.stackexchange.com. It returned some astonishing results. https://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1273685/stackoverflow-average-votes-vs-viewed-count Observations Newer questions are getting fewer and fewer visits. Average votes per questions are dec...

Ouch . . .

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, I saved them a lot of rep!

M.A.R.

It's no wonder that stats can easily be used to lie.

Biden apparently made a very smart choice for his VP. Here's to hoping cheetos loses and the standards are raised a bit again

Exams are almost over, I can go back to binge-reading and procrastinating \o/

Also, it's been long enough and I think I can take learning German more seriously now.

How are things on your end?

rene

@Tinkeringbell I was wondering why you moved it but I didn't consider the option "because the mod is being nice". ;)

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. I saw a thread on Twitter that the VP is also supporting a lot of Trumps antics?

rene

7:27 AM

@M.A.R. Es ist ein bischen warm an diesem Ort.

Tinkeringbell

@rene I was feeling nice, and I'm also kinda tired with all the SO stuff turning up on MSE, and this one was just really wrong but not badly written so...

M.A.R.

@Tinkeringbell AFAIK she's a successful prosecutor so the republicans cannot pretend anymore that "Biden's going to be soft on crime", which has been one of Trump's main attacks on "sleepy Biden". She called Biden racist at one time, and now Biden says 'I'm electing someone that will correct me on issues of race' Really smart move O.o Not to forget she's African–American which plays well in the post-Floyd environment

rene

This one was okay to have indeed.

M.A.R.

I've also heard some negative things about her, but what renowned US politician is there without some blotch on their political record at one time or another?

@rene Ich Esse Kartoffel.

As one semi-eloquent Redditor put it, "I would have voted if he chose onion and liver sandwich for VP"

rene

@M.A.R. Und schmeckt es dich?

M.A.R.

7:33 AM

@rene I dunno, tastes a bit like potato

rene

that matches ;)

M.A.R.

For us Iranians, as an enemy I prefer a smart calm-and-collected trickster over a racist populist any day.

rene

Yeah, I can imagine that.

M.A.R.

Anything new happened on SE/SO?

After the 85 M fundraising

> If a user asks for upvotes in the comments in Stack Overflow will it be considered as an ABUSE?

Anti-Brass Uranium Safe Extractor?

Abolished Beach Umbrellas Screaming "Eternity!"?

Tinkeringbell

7:50 AM

@M.A.R. I mean, I do hope it plays out well :)

Mithical

@M.A.R. not that I've seen... hence the lack of new pins :)

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. nothing yet

Looks like we might see a new pm soon, the opening dropped off the work here page.

@M.A.R. a bus e

Rob

8:09 AM

@M.A.R. I wouldn't count on Biden your time.

John Dvorak

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 5 hours ago, by Cody Gray

Here's the thing: I will nuke any comment that contains the words "downvote" or "upvote" literally on sight, and if I nuke more than a couple of such comments from you, I'm going to be sending you a moderator message to cease and desist.

Is that an official rule?

Tinkeringbell

Cody said it, we'll make it one ;)

Rob

It is for Charcoal. Each votes correctly, not how they are told.

John Dvorak

@Tinkeringbell I was hoping for the opposite.

Tinkeringbell

Why?

John Dvorak

8:13 AM

I mean, "why the downvote" isn't a good way to put it, but "how do I improve my post" I would think beneficial

But apparently that too causes problems?

Rob

Do we have to click on that to see if there's a twist?

Tinkeringbell

I'm not sure. Either sounds like a way to start arguing about how your post is perfect?

John Dvorak

That wasn't the intent though, so is there a good way to convey the intent?

It should be assumed, but that too causes trouble

Tinkeringbell

I think the intent is always that an OP is open to improving their post?

John Dvorak

Unfortunately, many askers aren't

Mithical

8:19 AM

"Why the downvote?" comments are useless. "How can I improve this?" is different.

3

Tinkeringbell

It's a good one to think about fixing, but I do think comments aren't the way to express two 'assumptions' inherent to the system:
a.) The original poster of a post is always open to suggestion for improvement
b.) People downvoting or close-voting a post will point out if there are possible improvements.

John Dvorak

Anonymous comments on downvoting would be open to abuse, unfortunately.

Tinkeringbell

Yeah.

John Dvorak

Seems the best option is to just take pride in the occasional mysterious chain of downvotes on very old questions.

Tinkeringbell

something about lost keys or just a pissed off group of people?

John Dvorak

8:27 AM

I do suppose it could be a major coincidence :D

Tinkeringbell

Nah, coincidences are red and round, and when you throw them at the door, the phone rings.

Mithical

your tomatoes might be haunted

Tinkeringbell

I know there was a deeper reason I dislike them.

John Dvorak

8:39 AM

I do think that anonymous comments could be made to work. They can still be flagged.

(unless I'm missing something, which I likely am)

Tinkeringbell

They'll likely fail on pattern recognition for users as well as moderators (if we assume moderators can't immediately see who commented on their posts).

I'm absolutely no fan of people claiming that X user is always commenting on their posts (if the comments are valid suggestions for improvements/criticism on meta posts). But it helps to have a mod flag once in a while about people always being kinda rude ;)

John Dvorak

Right... people would try to guess who posted the comment. Not good.

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak I was more thinking of the false positive flags I've sometimes seen when names are visible :P But that's one too, yes.

John Dvorak

Is there a meta discussion on the topic of where/how/if to solicit for feedback?

Tinkeringbell

I don't think so, not networkwide that I can think of. I'm also not sure if this should be networkwide policy or something better raised on different meta sites, to see how their communities think about this.

John Dvorak

8:55 AM

Thanks.

Tinkeringbell

Whatever I did, you're welcome :P

Rob

Apparently clicking on it does provide the twist; the comment one before the one referenced above:

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 6 hours ago, by TheMaster

@CodyGray Take my meta question for example. I really had no idea why people were downvoting it.. until i finally had to ask after -10 each on both q and a. Then, finally 2 people commented and I understood my question was too technical and unclear. I modified it and was able to get some upvotes.

John Dvorak

Is that a twist?

Rob

9:13 AM

One might have thought the conversation was about:

1 hour ago, by John Dvorak

Is that an official rule?

But it was about someone asking for a comment about how to improve their post, which they received, and they were able to make the improvement; to the benefit of everyone. But, someone steps in and says their own interpretation and offers to penalize people for actions not being discussed; their position isn't well received and comes to a point (several comments later) where they offer to remain silent.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rob that's the user name, prefer to not show it. It's actually just a name of a school.

Anyway.... sadly enough, the whole task has been frozen until a new notice since the client made new requirements which needs too much development time. Thanks for all the help though!

@JohnDvorak it's risky to express opinion or explain votes on SO, nothing new. Any comment can, and likely will, offend someone.

Safe path: don't comment.

Rob

9:31 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask The question asked, in RTL, shouldn't that be on the other side? (Don't need to know the blanked portion, but the order also being LTR supports the question / point, that it should start from the right; not be in the upper left corner).

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Problem solved; or more paying work forthcoming.

John Dvorak

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 4 mins ago, by MrUpsidown

@CodyGray Still, dumping some code, with a MCVE and a clear description of the issue is what I consider a good question. I don't see why it would not benefit to anyone else. I now understand there are very different views here about what is a good question. I now got a moderator message warning me that my behavior on SO is unacceptable because I down voted several answers from the same user when IMO none of them were a good fit to the site. But fine. I will refrain myself from voting.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@JohnDvorak yep exactly the reason why many people avoid SO, and rightly so.

Way too strict moderation.

And now with the social wind blowing from SE direction... it also cause even more people to leave, or just not take part.

@Rob oh. Well, the basic design we got from the designer was that the caption is to the right, and the user name plus logout link to the left.

@Rob not relevant for my paying, I get fixed monthly salary - in that case it was frozen because there are more urgent tasks that can't be delayed any longer.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMask That's nothing new though... you create a certain culture, all goes fine for a while, then people slowly start applying pressure to change the culture... and it either goes fine or it causes strife... but in the end, all the people that were 'go back to wherever you came from with your culture' are gone, and what's left mixes into a new culture.

Empires rise and fall, and from the rubble...

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Tinkeringbell many times when empire falls, nothing emerge from the rubbles.

Rob

I have my 1K+ rep there, which adequately demonstrates my participation; having achieved that I was gone.

Tinkeringbell

9:44 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Name an example?

Rob

Ottoman?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Inca Empire

The Inca Empire (Quechua: Tawantinsuyu, lit. "The Four Regions"), also known as the Incan Empire and the Inka Empire, was the largest empire in pre-Columbian America. The administrative, political and military center of the empire was located in the city of Cusco. The Inca civilization arose from the Peruvian highlands sometime in the early 13th century. Its last stronghold was conquered by the Spanish in 1572. From 1438 to 1533, the Incas incorporated a large portion of western South America, centered on the Andean Mountains, using conquest and peaceful assimilation, among other methods. At its...

What came from the rubble when they fell?

Rob

What emerged, the ottoman?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Well, some of the rubble is still incorporated in modern culture...

Rob

At the tourist store.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

9:45 AM

@Tinkeringbell but was their knowledge preserved or being used? I don't think so.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMask I would have to dig, there probably is something somewhere :)

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Also.... to name newer example... GeoCities.... :D

> Current status Defunct

lol

Need ideas what to eat for lunch....

Rob

Gotta love da funked.

🍕

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rob yeah, thought about it.

But 1) Waiting time is ~30 minutes, and 2) Whole pizza cost too much and too big for personal use. Sometimes the boss buy pizza(s) for everyone, but today he's away.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardWearingMask ietravel.com/blog/finding-incan-culture-modern-day-peru

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

9:49 AM

Might but a bagel with cheese and veggies.

Tinkeringbell

People still use Llama's as pack animals ;)

Rob

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Tinkeringbell rofl... well, that's correct. You win. :D

So when SE will fall, people will take the voting arrows and use them. ;)

Tinkeringbell

Something like that :P

> Despite concerted efforts by the Spanish to eradicate Incan influence altogether, the lasting impacts of Incan culture finds expression in many ways. You can see it in everything from the pottery practices in common housewares and religious objects to the reed water crafts used by fishermen and built using century-old knowledge. In this way, elements of ancient Incan tradition seem likely to thrive for many centuries to come.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

(in 60-80 years, of course)

Tinkeringbell

9:51 AM

Sometimes, parts of one religion integrate into another, that's another one.

Rob

[wafts screen, smell towards Sha]

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rob not Kosher ;)

In the area around my workplace, only Kosher places. :/

I can go beyond of course but.... lazy.

Rob

I don't know what's in it, but that costs 3 bucks; 14" across.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

hmm... well there is McDonalds which isn't Kosher, but I don't feel like burger today.

Rob

Church's Chicken (equivalent)?

John Dvorak

9:53 AM

Sometimes I buy a 50cm pizza (thin crust, not the American stuff). Two people, dinner and breakfast

Rob

Bürger

Noun: Bürger m (genitive Bürgers, plural Bürger, female Bürgerin)

citizen, inhabitant, resident; legally recognized inhabitant of a city or state
bourgeois, burgher, member of the middle class
(historical) burgher, freeman, usually richer and/or more influential than a peasant/worker but poorer and/or less influential than a nobleman

John Dvorak

I'm wondering, would it make sense to hide the post list on other users' profiles?

Tinkeringbell

I'm not sure, why were they added? :P

John Dvorak

When were they?

Rob

Chop out 'the middle' of the Profile and Activity page; replace with what, or just make the page shorter (and why). There's probably a UserScript for that ™.

Mithical

10:08 AM

Mozilla is laying off 250 people and planning a ‘new focus’ on making money

Welp

John Dvorak

We need a new browser, quick!

(or a way to prevent updates on Android and the last good version, as a stopgap)

I have found a repository of old APKs, but I don't know if they won't self-update

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rob lol good find!

@JohnDvorak what post list? The "Newest posts" section in the profile page?

John Dvorak

yes

Rob

After you've had lunch you'll feel better.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Ideally, the sections will be 100% customize-able, and each user will be able to choose which sections to see, and where they'll be located.

But that's just me dreaming. lol

Anyway, in the current design and state of things, no - it won't make sense to hide it.

John Dvorak

10:14 AM

I mean, it's a great tool for serial downvoters and ... nobody else?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

err..... no?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardWearingMask has mirrors :D

John Dvorak

Except mods of course

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

I use it to just see what user posts.

John Dvorak

but you aren't allowed to vote on the posts anyways

Journeyman Geek

10:16 AM

@JohnDvorak or a good fork

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak Don't forget about the serial upvoters!

John Dvorak

those are the worst

Tinkeringbell

Yeah.

Meta Andrew T.

I deserialize upvotes!

Rob

@JohnDvorak That's one of the things that the 'Serial Voting Detector' looks for, visiting there and going through the user's posts; it says that in the FAQ, ... somewhere ...

Tinkeringbell

10:33 AM

It does?! I thought that stuff was supposed to be super secret?

Rob

2nd paragraph, 2nd sentence; and further down "How does ...":

507

A: What is serial voting and how does it affect me?

What is voting fraud? Voting fraud is the systematic voting against correct voting rationales. Fraud most often happens with a single user continually voting (up or down) on many of your posts within a short period of time. This is not considered normal behavior and the system will not allow it. ...

Should have said second section, instead of paragraph. "They saw a post of yours that was extraordinarily helpful to them and they feel that going through your posts systematically and upvoting them is the appropriate way of granting you additional reputation (the bounty system is the proper way to do so). ... Every night around 03:00 UTC, a voting fraud detection script is run that looks for patterns such as these. It basically looks for users who have voted on another ...".

Rob

11:01 AM

@rene your comment got cut off: 3dprinting.stackexchange.com/questions/6574/… -- you might want to edit your MS comment to add that back in: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/258356

(the part about the spam link).

rene

@Rob thanks!

Rob

✔️

Rob

11:23 AM

@Tinkeringbell It doesn't always work: i.stack.imgur.com/fHcZj.jpg

Tinkeringbell

@Rob Well those obviously aren't serial :P

Rob

Here's someone who didn't eat their cereal:

So what I take from this is that StackExchange does not have something like community managers who could, dunno, chat with some people and figure out a solution, and I (a user who is essentially volunteering their time) should go and fix this obvious UX issue myself? No thank you, and I don't think I'll be giving feedback in the future. — Taschi 4 mins ago

Luckily, our time is free to waste.

rene

Yeah, I think I have a comment there as well

Rob

With 4 upvotes, how dare you.

rene

11:39 AM

@Rob yeah, I'm pretty good at leaving comments that attract upvotes. Just judge the opinion of the casual reader and phrase it so they agree. Profit. Personally I think it is outrageous that those icons look so familiar but hey, everything for the popularity vote.

LinkBerest

Those icons are nearly identical if you're color blind (slightly different as one is bendy but small it's hard to see this).

I still don't need to have them changed though. The title of the question usually tells me which site it is

John Dvorak

Chat mini-challenge: create a question title that might plausibly exist both on Puzzling and Workplace.

LinkBerest

There have been two at least

John Dvorak

But let's be honest: pretty much anything is a plausible question title on Puzzling.

Also, I do think this could be an interesting daily challenge, with the two sites being rerolled randomly each day.

LinkBerest

One was about "puzzles during free time" (workplace about employee lounge) and .... Actually there are a few puzzles that use the workplace as part of it but only seen one on Hot

John Dvorak

11:50 AM

Language site combos would be hard :D

Should I create a bot?

Best titles would be voted on multiple transferable vote style except with public votes

LinkBerest

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Q: I like to work individually, but I work in groups

I like to work individually, but I work in groups. I like to work in my office, but I work in the field. Yet I am satisfied. What am I?

riddle

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I came here for a workplace question, I always confuse the logos... — Noir Jul 26 '16 at 8:42

That question was also the first time I upvoted or even encountered Mithical for an added bonus

Mithical

12:24 PM

@LinkBerest I have absolutely no recollection of that answer FWIW

Currently very intentionally taking up two seats on the bus by blocking the seat next to me with my bag so that nobody sits next to me.

John Dvorak

In before the transport company starts counting fare for bags that occupy seats

Rob

Mithical

It's the first time I've been on a bus in like five months

...which is why my semi-regular complaints in here about the bus system dropped off suddenly in case anybody noticed

Rob

@JohnDvorak Challenge met.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Mithical lol

rene

12:33 PM

@Mithical did the bus system get better in the mean time?

Mithical

no

rene

awaits complaint

Mithical

First complaint: the fact that I had to block off the seat next to me myself means they're doing it wrong

rene

@Mithical Uggh

Mast

12:49 PM

@Tinkeringbell I have already written thrice during the past one month, never received any reply so I tried to write it here. I will try again to write to them. — Saif 5 mins ago

That's something we hear a lot lately, people not getting a reply. Is it really that bad or are some users trying to stir up trouble that's not there?

Mithical

Contact is known to not respond a large percentage of the time

Tinkeringbell

@Mast There probably isn't much to respond too, so I doubt writing a fourth time would help. Especially if it's about deleted socks that were used to evade suspensions, like Martijn said.

We know the response time of contact-us is loooong.

I don't know about how often no reply follows at all, but I do think the recent wave of 'I was suspended/had accounts deleted on SO and didn't hear back within 3 business days from contact-us' is giving a bit more of a negative image than it really deserves.

Mast

By the meta posts you'd say it's getting worse.

Tinkeringbell

There's definitely and increase in numbers of people complaining about a suspension somewhere other than MSE :P

That's getting worse, yeah XD

You could write a (preferably very bland and neutral) meta post asking about the average response time, perhaps for things like people asking about suspensions or sock pupped account removals specifically... I don't know if you'll get an answer though. There's been one recent one already that doesn't have an official answer either: meta.stackexchange.com/a/339848/369802

Rob

A blogger in the making ...

Tinkeringbell

1:10 PM

^That one seems scammy at the very least.

They have another, exactly similar, answer.

Rob

Almost a copy, like it's the answer to everything; with a bit of tweaking before the punchline.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

1:32 PM

@Mithical well, most people don't care, that's the reason the second wave isn't going anywhere, maybe only becoming worse.

If people would really care, it would have been gone long ago.

!!/wear mask

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardWearingMask No such command 'wear'.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

See? Even Smokey.

:P

@SmokeDetector here is your new avatar: /cc @ArtOfCode ;)

@Tinkeringbell mod just deleted that other answer.

Well if I'm here alone, I'll at least brew something.

!!/coffee Ollie

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of Affogato for @Ollie

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

setting room on fire by accident

rene

1:52 PM

HMP is back meta.stackoverflow.com/a/400216/578411

5

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@rene were they gone?!

Well maybe they just needed a vacation.

:D

rene

LOL

M.A.R.

2:41 PM

@Rob Pfft. I don't want no JCPOA.

Rob

3:02 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask At least use the high resolution original, and a non-flamable mask:

John Dvorak

For starters, gotta remove the floating eyes

Catija

And the ears...

DavidPostill

@Catija I don't see any ears ...

Catija

DavidPostill

Ah. OK

Rob

3:12 PM

He had his eye closed.

If people are seriously interested, and not just replying to Sha's joke I can respin it.

DavidPostill

@Rob Go for it. I'm sure @ArtOfCode will like it. And maybe change SD to use it :)

Feeds

How we built it: our new Articles feature for Stack Overflow Teams

Roberta Arcoverde on August 12, 2020

Roberta Arcoverde, tech lead for Stack Overflow Teams, provides a deep dive into the decisions that shaped the architecture of Articles, an entirely new content type.

user400654

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Rob

3:38 PM

@M.A.R. Reports are that it was popular, also unclear if they were paid to celebrate.

Mithical

Positive bus change: they've redone the bus stop where the drivers would always pass right by without stopping so now the drivers can see if there are people there.

Mithical

4:20 PM

Brrrr

Why is the AC on so strong on this bus

Tinkeringbell

Because the busdriver has to wear a longsleeved button shirt and long pants, with closed shoes and socks? :P

Mithical

Wearing a sweatshirt, closed the vents, and still cold

DavidPostill

@Tinkeringbell At least round here the bus drivers are provided with uniform shorts and short sleeved shirts to wear in the summer. They do have a strong union if that makes a difference.

M.A.R.

@Rob it was popular among young people and leftists, and was opposed by conservatives (so yeah, popular). Turned out people aren't as politics savvy as they think and it was a whole lot of wishful thinking. Turned out rightists were right, so it makes it a difficult topic to even be reminded of. AFAIK the US clearly had the upper hand, we didn't get scrap out of the deal, and it was essentially a leash so we wouldn't have anything to negotiate with in the future.

It was IMHO a frigging fiasco on our part

Tinkeringbell

@DavidPostill I was thinking of that time 3 years ago when bus drivers in France started wearing skirts ;)

M.A.R.

4:25 PM

Read Obama on how much it was conjectured we'd gain, and how much we really did gain.

Tinkeringbell

I know over here they can wear short sleeves, I have no idea about the pants. Never paid much attention to be honest.

I know train personnel always wears long pants.

Mithical

I've definitely seen the bus drivers in short sleeves

Can't see from my vantage point at the moment though

M.A.R.

Bus drivers here don't have uniforms, and are solely male

Busses here are probably more of a pollutant than the 40 cars they're supposed to replace

Public transportation was already a tragedy before COVID. Can't imagine how they're faring now :(

The whole world is concerned about the economic hit it's taking and we're all like "jokes on you, I'm into that sh!t"

The state media is silent as a sleeping baby

Tinkeringbell

sleeping babies can make a surprising lot of noise.

M.A.R.

I just ruined your day. You're welcome

@Tinkeringbell only when their internal alarm goes off

Tinkeringbell

4:31 PM

Heh. You'd have to bring stuff stronger than that to ruin a day which started by seeing 'Hyves' being trending on Twitter and finding out that's because Facebook and Instagram have decided to ban images of Black Pete that aren't used to say Black Pete is racist :P

M.A.R.

"It has been precisely 119 minutes since I've disturbed the big hoomans' peace"

I think I've told you that mom keeps telling me I used to cry exactly from 9 to 11 p.m.

Tinkeringbell

No, you didn't, I think.

Now you did though.

That's weird.

M.A.R.

I'd been punctual all that time, and now I'm making up for it, to be sure

Tinkeringbell

I was two weeks late to my own birth, apparently.

Then took long enough to land mom in hospital.

M.A.R.

They were looking for bread supplies :p

BBL gonna teach little bro some chemistry

Tinkeringbell

4:35 PM

Good luck!

Mithical

5:02 PM

@Tinkeringbell Hmm. I was eight weeks early.

Arjun

5:47 PM

Floyd Mayweather - I AM BOXING

►

see the starting

canon

5:59 PM

how's the weather in here?

Tinkeringbell

Better than in real life

rene

warm

user400654

6:30 PM

Feeds

8:15 PM

Congratulations to whoever wished for revenge on a forest near the Tunguska River, a 1980 Chevy Malibu in Peekskill NY, Alabama resident Ann Hodges, every building in Chelyabinsk with glass windows, and the non-avian dinosaurs.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Mithical wow, nice!

@rene whoops

I'll fix the leak.

@Mithical hey, same here!

פגים rulz!

:D

user1271772

8:32 PM

@Catija @YaakovEllis @g3rv4 @NickCraver AI has been at 10+ q/day on more than 50% of the days in the last several months (often even at 20+ q/day). I am curious if they are being considered for graduation, because "When a site starts to consistently receive 10 questions/day, we’ll consider it for graduation."

Catija

Graduation doesn't really exist currently.

user1271772

@Catija Really?

I knew it became a multi-stage graduation process rather than a single-step one.

Catija

No... we're kinda getting rid of the "graduation" concept entirely. It gives too much expectation that there's anything wrong with being in beta still.

Beta sites are sites... the imposition of things like minimum QPD is... just a false ideal. Many sites that hit that target in the past no longer hit it any more.

user1271772

I agree. There's some "graduated" sites with nearly 0 questions/day, hahaha

Catija

So it makes little sense to require that a site hit that point and then... do what? If a site is stable, knows its scope, has ducks in row... that's what it needs... but we haven't gotten that project completed and I don't know when that will happen.

user1271772

8:41 PM

Like WindowsPhone.SE

Mad Scientist

The big difference is still privilege levels, if you want to get rid of graduation you have to find something better than the current binary switch between beta and graduated privilege levels

Catija

Anyway, we're eradicating the term "graduated" or "graduation" as much as possible, if not entirely.

Even privilege levels aren't a difference. The sites with no custom theme don't have the higher privilege levels.

Mad Scientist

Not that this matters all that much, as we probably won't have any new sites in the future

Catija

That got tied to the theme for some reason... and, well... as far as I'm concerned, a site that needs the higher privilege levels should be able to request them independently of being beta or not or having a design or not... And sites that aren't beta often can't support a community at the higher reputation levels.

user1271772

AI already has a custom theme thanks to sponsorship, and they've already had moderator elections. There is the difference of rep levels that MadScientist mentioned (which usually happens last, I think). But what about community ads?

Catija

8:43 PM

... that has less to do with an active and engaged community and more to do with voting culture.

Mad Scientist

The privilege levels should simply be tied to the number of active users that can close vote.

Catija

Yes.

Precisely.

Mad Scientist

I remember the Gaming site just out of beta when I joined. It had something like 4-5 users with 3k rep at that point, so the community couldn't actually close stuff until a few weeks or months later

user1271772

AI has 33,600 users, which is more than most sites had at full graduation!

Catija

@user1271772 Community ads are tied to non-beta sites because they're manual. We don't have an automation for them, otherwise they'd be network-wide. If we can get them automated, anyone can have them but... even sites that have them often don't use them.

Users != active users.

user400654

8:45 PM

wasn't there some kind of... bot spam asking people to sign up for it for $$

user1271772

True, they do have 514 avid users though.

Catija

AI only has 2 10 k users which means that only mods would be able to delete questions.

user1271772

@user400654 Really? I didn't know that

@Catija Okay

Catija

So, even if AI wanted to not be beta, I wouldn't change their rep levels.

user400654

might have been a different beta site, i can't recall

but it was very recently, last few weeks

Mad Scientist

8:46 PM

@Catija The community can't really delete stuff anyway on any site except the few extremely active ones.

The privilege levels were designed for SO, and never changed later.

Catija

Three delete votes on NAAs isn't that hard to get.

user1271772

Data Science at 0 people above 7000 rep, when it was launched! area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/55053/data-science

Mad Scientist

@Catija I'm pretty sure it's out of reach for all the smaller sites

Catija

They also only have ~8 people who have the rep to close, and are around often, so that's... not great.

user1271772

Quantitative Finance had only 3 people at 10k: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/117/quantitative-finance

Catija

8:48 PM

They also don't have higher rep levels...

So... Not an issue.

user1271772

My understanding though, is that for the multi-stage "graduation", the rep changes was often the last thing to change. So I wouldn't expect AI to change rep level yet, but maybe the community ads could be done.

Mad Scientist

I'd probably require at least 20-25 users with close votes that have logged in the last month for automatic graduation. You can probably get a better threshold by crunching the data from actual sites, but it does need to be comfortably bigger than the 5 votes to close

Catija

Again... "graduation" and rep levels are not in any way tied.

user1271772

@user400654 You're talking about Ziliqa, which was in A51 commitment, not in Beta.

Mad Scientist

@user1271772 they don't need high rep users when they just destroy people asking bad questions ;-)

Catija

8:50 PM

And having close votes isn't the same as using them. If none of the high rep users bother with review, it's irrelevant.

user1271772

@MadScientist I'm not extremely familiar with that site.

user400654

oh... area51 isn't the same as beta?

Catija

No. Area 51 sites aren't actual sites yet.

Mad Scientist

@user1271772 There was an incident a long time ago where a mod destroyed a user for posting low quality questions (which in this case meant questions someone without a PhD in economics would ask). This caused a bit of drama, and then someone explained to the mods there in which cases destroying users is appropriate

user1271772

@MadScientist When was that?

I had no idea about Quantitative Finance stack exchange until I found out my younger cousin had asked a question there. It was well received! I'm proud of her :)

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Q: Probability density function of simple equation, compound Poisson noise

I would like to find the probability density function (at stationarity) of the random variable $X_t$, where: \begin{equation*} dX_t = -aX_t dt + d N_t, \end{equation*} $a$ is a constant and $N_t$ is a compound Poisson process with Poisson jump size distribution. In other words, $X_t$ solves the ...

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She followed my Area51 proposal, and through that I found out that she'd used quantitative finance one time (her only post on the entire SE network).

Unfortunately she was never able to properly "commit" to the A51 proposal since there was this severe bug which caused a lot of people to become committed as "unregistered users" due to some caching issue or something. But we got into Public Beta eventually anyway.

Mad Scientist

8:57 PM

@user1271772 2011

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