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12:30 AM

@ArtOfCode If it's for a dash cam, it is of the high-endurance variety, right? Other cards will fail prematurely if used in one.

ArtOfCode

No, but it's just a tide over until I can get the 256 card that I left with someone :P

Rob

2:21 AM

@ArtOfCode Next time consider microSD with an adapter, that means the card will fit more devices. Along with endurance, temperature is a very important consideration. Depending on where you are at night it can get cold or during the day the car can get boiling hot. Since it's a dashcam, which you rely on for insurance, you need to choose the best for the application. At least the size is big enough for multi-use.

user1271772

How did this guy join "today" if he was given a 10-year network-wide suspension 2 days ago? mattermodeling.stackexchange.com/users/1042/user770606

Does AOC stand for @ArtOfCode or @AlexandriaOcasioCortez?

Rob

2:40 AM

@user1271772 They snuck in, and were discovered; their new account gaining the suspension of the other, possibly with an increment of the duration.

user1271772

2:58 AM

@Rob You suspended them?

Spevacus

@user1271772 Naw, Rob's not a moderator, nor is he a staff member of Stack Exchange. Only Stack Exchange staff can apply a network-wide suspension to a user.

user1271772

@Spevacus I see.

Interesting that they can click "Join this community" two days after getting a 10-year network-wide suspension. They were suspended on 13 July, and they joined Matter Modelling "today" (15 July)

Spevacus

They're free to do so, but the network-wide suspension will snatch 'em up.

They're allowed to do a few actions, just not participate.

user1271772

@Spevacus I see. Can they comment?

Spevacus

@user1271772 Nope, they can't ask a question, answer a question, vote, or comment.

Journeyman Geek

3:27 AM

@user1271772 yes

Sonic the Masked Werehog

@user1271772 The system reinstates suspensions of users who attempt to create additional accounts to bypass suspensions.

@Rob He did say "micro SD":

5 hours ago, by ArtOfCode

Wow micro SD cards have got cheap

Also, the SanDisk High Endurance cards are rated at "extreme temperatures" in addition to write performance.

!!/watch ido\.kiwi

SmokeDetector

@SonictheMaskedWerehog You don't have blacklist manager privileges, but I've created PR#4183 for you.

Rob

@Spevacus Thanks for replying to them.

Spevacus

Anytime :)

user1271772

3:50 AM

@JourneymanGeek I mean which one?

Aibobot

4:06 AM

@user1271772 and the answer is "Yes"

(jmg and I are the same person. I use this account on my work PC)

Rob

4:24 AM

Aibobot

lol

If I was, I wouldn't need two accounts. One might say its even a sign of weakness :D

Rob

They asked:

2 hours ago, by user1271772

Does AOC stand for @ArtOfCode or @AlexandriaOcasioCortez?

Aibobot

@Rob in which case... the answer is still "Yes"

maybe "Yes?"

Rob

So I expect that they were hoping for an answer related to one of those two accounts.

Since the second one isn't pingable the first is more likely to answer, for what little that information adds to a solution.

Aibobot

But anyone can code... even... politicians... :D

Rob

4:33 AM

Wikipedia says that the second one uses AOC: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez

rene

6:52 AM

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Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

So..... Twitter got hacked. Anyone here affected? Or clicked the link?

(or took part in the hacking? ;))

rene

whistles innocently

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

huh!

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask WHITE HOUSE IN PANIC

Aibobot

@ShadowWizardWearingMask I think carver's twitter was locked

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

6:56 AM

The hackers got access to Twitter employees internal tools over time, and used those tools go log into accounts of mega profiles in the same time.

Aibobot

... his wife was making fun of it

Tinkeringbell

I did see double bitcoins in my wallet this morning...

But nothing else much.

Aibobot

Double of nothing?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@M.A.R. umm.... no? On the contrary, only those who are against Trump got hacked.

So it's easy to see who organized this... he surely has a motive.

M.A.R.

Oh really?

Then

WHITE HOUSE HAS NO COMMENT

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

6:58 AM

Yup. Can't prove, but personally I'm 100% convinced. ;)

M.A.R.

Everyone is convinced but can't prove

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

And to be honest? Kudos to him. He knows how to take revenge.

Mad Scientist

@Aibobot all verified accounts were locked for a while as far as I understand

M.A.R.

Isn't that the point of these things? We can't prove the US helped the rebels in this South American country, and overthrew that other government

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Aibobot yeah, as @Mad said, it's because he has that blue "V" icon.

Sonic the Masked Werehog

6:59 AM

@JourneymanGeek Cross-site spammer (on sites you moderate): stackexchange.com/users/18988618/ido-kiwi

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Does he? How does this help him in the political landscape?

Mithical

"V" icon?

M.A.R.

Does it make people like him better?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Verified account

@M.A.R. a lot

Mithical

That's a checkmark...

M.A.R.

7:00 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Huh

@Mithical It could be if you wrote v with a permanent marker and tried to erase it

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Mithical meh, it looks like a "V"

and "V" is shorter than "checkmark". :D

M.A.R.

Haha if you say so

Rob

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@SonictheMaskedWerehog they're already suspended on SU

rene

@ShadowWizardWearingMask talk an employee into doing things they shouldn't do is my trademark. I've found myself at the keyboard of production servers numerous times. I was escorted out of our company data center only once.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

7:04 AM

@rene nah, doubt the hackers got that far. More likely they did it all remotely.

Here is the hack in its full glory:

M.A.R.

So, what does Nick have to do with Trump? Scratches head

rene

They did it at 1.5 meter for sure

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@M.A.R. nothing. Twitter blocked all ~~blue~~ verified accounts.

M.A.R.

So who did it?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Comparing to SE, it's like hackers will get access to several mod accounts in the same time.

Considering the possible damage, the only option is to just block them all until it's sorted out.

M.A.R.

7:06 AM

People that aren't cryptic often are extremely incomprehensible when they're being cryptic

Oh I think I get it now

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@rene 2 meters here. We win. :D

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask It's like the event that shall not be named all over again

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Our distance is bigger!

Tinkeringbell

I wonder how much money they made.

Mad Scientist

@ShadowWizardWearingMask mod accounts aren't powerful enough, the hacker in question had the ability to change the email associated with an account and take it over entirely that way

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

7:07 AM

@Tinkeringbell $100K

Tinkeringbell

There's absolutely no mention of it in the news here O.o

(the whole hack, I mean, not just the money)

M.A.R.

@Tinkeringbell Your news is also hacked

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

lol

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. May very well be, they also didn't report on Trump acing his test.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Tink maybe your news don't hate Trump enough.

Rob

7:09 AM

A search turns up many hits.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Local media here hates Trump a LOT.

M.A.R.

They're Dutch. They hate everything.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

hehe

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Eh? Didn't he at least feign helping Israel?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@M.A.R. nah, that was single account. No?

@M.A.R. ohh, he does.... but using the wrong person as the middle-man.

M.A.R.

7:10 AM

Or was that also some propaganda by our news?

Our news is so cool they don't need to be hacked

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

lol

TL;DR: Trump is helping our PM, directly and personally. Hence he's hated by the local media, who hates the PM for long years.

M.A.R.

You gotta admit he tries really hard to be hated

PM, I mean

Wait, Netanyahu or the new guy?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

nah

M.A.R.

Who's nah

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@M.A.R. Netanyahu is still the PM, for 1.5 more years.

Only then Gantz will become PM.

Until then, his official title is "Alternative Prime Minister".

Rob

7:13 AM

Nah is the guy in that song.

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Hehe like a battery?

So why wasn't there an election almost before changing the PM?

Or you like to be punctual?

Aibobot

@SonictheMaskedWerehog done the needful

M.A.R.

@Aibobot kthxbai

Mithical

There are elections every time the government falls apart

M.A.R.

Falls apart?

Aibobot

7:15 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask actually

M.A.R.

This keeps getting more and more intense

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@M.A.R. the elections ended in a draw, three times. Instead of going to fourth elections, both leading parties agreed on a rotation.

Aibobot

If there's a possibility that your account was compromised as a mod, emergency removal was always an option

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rob this.

M.A.R.

"Yeah, falls apart, after that nuclear fallout on international waters"
"NUCLEAR FALLOUT ON INTERNATIONAL WATERS?!"
"Yeah, we trashed the matrix and apparently it was powered by nuclear energy"

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

7:17 AM

@Aibobot removal of the diamond, I hope?

M.A.R.

@Aibobot ACTUALLY

Rob

@ShadowWizardWearingMask This: youtu.be/IoyvvEWHodk

Mast

Can someone feed this answer to smokey?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Rob hey

@Mast why? It's not offensive enough to deserve red flag IMO.

Just NAA.

Aibobot

@ShadowWizardWearingMask uhm. I WOULD HOPE SO.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

7:19 AM

Anyway, gone....

Mast

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Troll post.

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Meh it's your typical troll

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Mast didn't check the account, they posted more like this?

Mast

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Who knows, I don't have 10k on that site.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@M.A.R. not sure, they usually use more vulgar language.

Mast

7:20 AM

But it's a fresh account, can't be up to much good.

M.A.R.

1 troll post is 1 troll post

Mast

Standing policy is to flag obvious troll posts, last I checked.

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Well, it's absolutely useless, and it tries to be funny.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Mast sure, but the language used was proper, in a way.

M.A.R.

@Mast Lines get really blurry when you see and handle a lot of spam, and @Sha's trying to find the mist in the fog

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

7:22 AM

finding a @M.A.R in the forest instead

M.A.R.

Hey there

Mast

A shining turd is still a turd.

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask My name is database error. I'm an NPC with a useless quest.

28

Q: What is Stack Exchanges official stance on words such as "black list", "white list", "master", "slave", and so on?

I've just had one of my questions edited on StackOverflow to swap out "black list" and "white list" for "allow list" and "deny list" respectively. There was no comment on the change but I assume it to be due to those words being racially charged. I don't mind the change (except for the introduce...

Are you frigging kidding me.

Mast

@M.A.R. Surprised it took this long.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Mast that's genius. I'll use it in the future. :P

Rob

7:25 AM

That's been up for a while, I tried answering but it wasn't well received; no matter, everything else is going great.

M.A.R.

@Mast Kidding people is no easy process

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@M.A.R. same reaction

M.A.R.

It's bordering on 1984 levels of ridiculousness.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

No, but...

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. about which?

M.A.R.

7:26 AM

We might just abolish the words for the two colors.

@JourneymanGeek actually

Mast

@M.A.R. Let's abolish the concept of colour while we're at it.

Has the side effect of being more inclusive for the colourblind.

Aibobot

@M.A.R. that someone replaced blacklist with denylist - which seems to be something a lot of projects are doing anyway, or that someone realises why someone did it, and is annoyed anyway or...

M.A.R.

@Mast Doctor, I concur. To use the red sign for stop and evil and all those things is racist to people of native American descent.

Aibobot

I'm vaguely tempted to punt it over to SO

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. I think the top answer there has a point... if the documentation changed, change the post. Otherwise, don't meddle.

@Aibobot I was too, though I think right now it's doing better here than it might ever do on SO...

M.A.R.

7:28 AM

@Aibobot That someone assumes blacklist and whitelist EVER referred to the skin color.

Aibobot

@M.A.R. only "red" was a modifier cause europeans were terrible navigators and needed to differenciate them from the other sort of natives to oppress... :D

@M.A.R. ... its a thing

Rob

Blacken half of the Sun, so things are equal. Abolish the word "code" because it makes some people feel an insult is directed towards them ...

M.A.R.

@Rob Ur face iz code

Aibobot

then again, I was born a leftie and the very word sinister refers to us northpaws....

M.A.R.

@Aibobot In very minor senses, when racial subjects did become sensitive, yes.

But let's not be hypersensitive over a subject we don't want people to be hypersensitive about.

Aibobot

7:31 AM

@M.A.R. unfortunately... politics

Rob

@Tinkeringbell That's what my answer says, but it wasn't upvoted.

M.A.R.

Black has always been the lack of light, and light has always been depicted as the source of good.

That doesn't mean Sauron was African-American

Unless played by Samuel Jackson

I wanna see that ^

Aibobot

no no no

M.A.R.

yes yes yes

Aibobot

He's definately strider

then we can have that old guy ...

M.A.R.

7:33 AM

There was this hilarious dub over Darth Vader of Samuel Jackson

Aibobot

Morgan Freeman as gandalf the grey

M.A.R.

Duh. Obvious choice

Idris Elba as that Urukai that captured Pippin and Merry

Mast

@Aibobot As Gandalf the White.

M.A.R.

Wait, no, the other guy

Mast

Calling a coloured man white is quite offensive, I think.

M.A.R.

7:35 AM

Djimon Hounsou

Aibobot

@Mast calling him gandalf the black though...

M.A.R.

He loves being the angry villain

Aibobot

MR T as gimli, mohawk and all

M.A.R.

Idris Elba will be Boromir

Tinkeringbell

Can I just be random Hobbit #13?

M.A.R.

7:37 AM

No

Aibobot

though, if samuel L jackson was boromir...

Tinkeringbell

:(

M.A.R.

You'd be the no-man lady that stabs the king of Angmar in the eye

Aibobot

"One does not simply ***king walk into ****ing modor, mother******"

Rob

Only if in 3D

M.A.R.

7:37 AM

@Aibobot He dies early. No

@Aibobot No, still no

Tinkeringbell

Okay, I'll take that. But I still want to do a random hobbit too, preferably at the party scenes :D

Aibobot

@Tinkeringbell they might serve tomato.

Tinkeringbell

Given the amount of food at hobbit parties... I'll eat around that.

M.A.R.

"My name is Sauron and I will avenge thee . . . Say what again, I double dare you"

Even dialog not adapted to LOTR is perfect

@Tinkeringbell They didn't seem to have much chocolate though

Tinkeringbell

Not everything needs to be chocolate to be tasty ;)

M.A.R.

7:40 AM

It'd probably be Gondor technology

@Tinkeringbell citation needed

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. my stomach?

Rob

Fly cheese.

Tinkeringbell

More like my taste-buds, sorry.

M.A.R.

No tertiary sources

Tinkeringbell

Or perhaps the neurons in my brain?

M.A.R.

7:40 AM

For instance, I'm having kebab as an early lunch.

Now if the rice was chocolate crisps and the kebab was a chocolate bar, hmm

Gariman Singh

@ShadowWizardWearingMask that question has been deleted for being a spam.

Tinkeringbell

If Iranian kebab is sorta similar to the kebab you can get over here (and not, like Chinese food, horribly maimed), kebab is good too :)

M.A.R.

Excuse me. Kebab is of Middle Eastern origin

Rob

s'more kebab

M.A.R.

It's basically minced meat, a little of fried onion, and a few spices of your choice beaten to a literal pulp and shaped the way you like and fried

It has a few more ingredients I think but I wasn't the cook

Rob

7:46 AM

It wouldn't fry very well shaped like gold bars

M.A.R.

Chadwick Boseman as Aragorn

He just makes a good king

@Rob I don't want it to shine, I wanna eat it

Rob

> shaped the way you like

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@M.A.R. yesyesyes.org

Aibobot

@M.A.R. lies. It clearly aliens plotting the future of humanity....

M.A.R.

@Rob If it's that thick the outer layers would burn while the inner layers are uncooked, you're still bound by the laws of physics

Rob

7:48 AM

That's what I said.

Aibobot

(I assume you don't mean those giant blocks of processed meat that have slices carved off....)

M.A.R.

@Aibobot Well they're taking their time. I'm cool with that.

@Aibobot Those can be cooked well but they remind me of prison food

And difficult to keep clean too

Rob

*thermodynamics

Aibobot

@M.A.R. that literally freaks me out

M.A.R.

Thermodynamics is not part of physics. OK

Rob

7:49 AM

No

M.A.R.

@Aibobot Well you can make rice cakes or whatever it is you Eastern folks do to rice and still do it on a huge scale and that'd freak me out.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask "We're all in this together"

Considering the products, I think I'm interpreting that exactly as you do

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

:D

Aibobot

@M.A.R. at worst, 6 foot long pancakes. Salty pancakes...

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Well they're no cheap, those yes yes yes.... $21.99 for 150ml is a lot of money.

M.A.R.

@Aibobot google.com/…

@ShadowWizardWearingMask ew, don't do that while we're in this together

I thought first it was some charity until I scrolled down

@Rob to most people it sounds that your answer is mostly irrelevant, not wrong

With you people always have to look for the inner meaning and the second or third unstated lines of reasoning and most people don't come prepared for that sort of mental gymnastics

You can do what random does and keep it to edit reasons

Aibobot

8:13 AM

google.com/…

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

8:25 AM

@Aibobot no need for your private (?) tokens, this link is enough. ;)

Aibobot

@ShadowWizardWearingMask laziniess + I'm not logged into google on this PC

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Aibobot oh so what are those tokens?

Journeyman Geek

No idea 😁

Magisch

8:53 AM

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HOUSE!

9:30 AM

@M.A.R. It's a matter of common sense, to process the information presented and make use of it. We see people fail at that frequently enough, the benefits of which are the pandemic, defund / abolishment of the police, even poor marks in school and asking if they completed the test OK (with a score of less than 40%); I'd here write "I've seen it all" but I suspect better is yet to come.

Thanks for your insights, though

Rob

10:46 AM

@M.A.R. It's like the Twitter hack Bitcoin fraud committed on Wednesday. Step 1. It's your lucky day, rich and famous person is giving you free money. 2. How much does the free money cost? just send any amount and receive double back. 3. Don't think why you would have to send any money at all, or why they won't give you three times as much - just send that cash. --- The tweets were only up for a short period of time, $100K lost.

John Dvorak

@Rob $100K arrived at the fraudster's account. It's uncertain how much came from victims and how much was money laundering.

Tinkeringbell

11:11 AM

Meanwhile, the national disaster here seems to be that IKEA is introducing a vegan version of their swedish meatballs. I haven't yet found out if that's going to mean 'replace' or 'offer alternative', but given what they did to the soda's I think it's safe to assume they're forcing people to eat vegetables.

Aibobot

Oh the horror

oh the huge tofu manatee :D

Tinkeringbell

@Aibobot I know, right?! No more meatballs with ketchup... meatballs with salad dressing just aren't as nice!

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

Think I never had meatballs in a non-restaurant place.

Tinkeringbell

We eat meatballs quite regularly... They're nice :)

I don't think there's 1 kind of food I only get at restaurants... because I usually pick something that I know I like XD

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

11:27 AM

@Tinkeringbell me too, just not in places IKEA. ;)

They sell furniture, not food...

Aibobot

@Tinkeringbell also, didn't they contain horse at some point?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

@Aibobot yup, good memory.

Tinkeringbell

@Aibobot Yeah, that was quite a huge fuss at the moment... I mean, I get that people get upset if they pay for expensive cow and get cheap horse but it seemed that there were also a lot of people upset at the idea of just eating horse meat?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask

11:43 AM

The later, mainly.

Tinkeringbell

(I know horse isn't kosher but...) Is it really that unusual to eat horse meat? It's apparently what 'paardenrookvlees' is made of, which is a pretty common thing to put on bread here. And there's also horse meat in kroket, frikandel, hamburger...

John Dvorak

11:59 AM

I wouldn't mind eating horse meat but if somebody takes horse meat and says it's cow then it makes sense that would upset a lot of people

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