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6:26 AM

@PM2Ring what caused the Big Bang?

@LinkBerest does it mean you no longer work there? :/

→ 30 messages moved to Chimney

7:23 AM

@Rob too small

@M.A.R. hmm? Bug? Wait, what are we talking about? Thought it's about the new prayer button that should be used instead of posting "Thank you!" comments. It's not instead of voting, and one can both vote and ~~pray~~ say thanks.

I think? I never tried, just tried the new button one time in random to see how it looks like, and that's about it.

If one can't vote after clicking it it's a super mega bug.

Morning. Just wanted to ask a

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

question. After merging two account my

chat identity is still split in two. Is this

by design?

....

lol. That is a great way of showing the issue. But how can we be sure that @BlueSoul is @Νеvеrꭑoꭇе?

@DavidPostill if you follow the two user accounts links, you will see that they point to the same Meta user

or to be more precise, you will see that @Νеvеrꭑoꭇе parent user gives a 404 error

Q: Make account merges propagate to chat

7:39 AM

@BlueSoul That. So it doesn't prove you are the same person :)

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When two accounts are merged, all the posts/votes are moved over to the "master" account, and the other account ("slave"?) is deleted. The merge is propagated network-wide, so a similar thing happens on each site. But, this does not happen to the chat user. The "slave" chat user is kept, with a ...

Q: Chat not working after account merge

I have recently merged accounts. However, it looks like the chats weren't been influenced by the merge, which makes me underprivileged to participate in chat. The screenshots of the problem are as follows: The chats homepage still shows the new account which I used after my past account was lo...

bug chat merge-accounts

I suspect a SE employee will need to fix this, so use the contact link.

@BlueSoul yes. Chat isn't part of merge.

Never was, and I'm 99.999% sure it never will, as it requires too much dev efforts. :(

Enjoy both worlds.... :D

Guess you can ask a mod here to nuke one, but.... what for?

(i.e. chat profile reset, pretty sure mods can do it.)

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@ShadowWizardWearingMask precisely

@ShadowWizardWearingMask It's character size, did you want one bigger than your character?

7:56 AM

@Rob character can't act as body part(s) it also has no direct connection to brain.

8:08 AM

could a mod grant this user write access to this room please?

@ngn you're in the wrong place.

It's different chat domain...

@ngn Done

@ShadowWizardWearingMask It is, but I can do it :)

@DavidPostill hehe, Tavern is so useful. :D

!!/coffee David for his hard work

@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of Latte for @David

Thanks, I was due for a refill :)

8:16 AM

:P

@ShadowWizardWearingMask i'm usually asking here because many mods gather in this room. is there a more appropriate place to ask for such things?

@DavidPostill thanks!

@ngn no room in se.com domain like this Tavern?

(i.e. room ~~for anything~~ without a focused topic, with mods hanging around)

If not then yeah, probably here is the best bet.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Not that I'm aware of ...

there's the Assembly but it never really took off

:(

8:27 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask There is a mod only room of course, but that doesn't help you :)

@ShadowWizardWearingMask "the nineteenth byte" used to serve as a generic chat. there was a time when we had 4 mods there and i didn't have to look for them in other places, but they are gone now.

@ngn Super User has it's own Ask a Super User Moderator room, perhaps your community should set up a similar room? (I also get similar requests from the RO for chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/52405/the-apl-orchard)) These requests should really be handled by your site mods.

@DavidPostill true... ;)

@ngn oh... sorry to hear.

@DavidPostill i don't know what i should do about it. i'm not a power user here (just chatting and a bit of codegolfing), and i don't have much free time to spend.

@ngn all good, you're welcome here. I was just baffled by the sudden request.

The magic of the Tavern is that one shouldn't be a "power user" to take part.

Anyhow.... ouch - Israeli company I used to work for (amdocs) is laying off 1000 out of 4500 employees due to Corona global crisis. :/

8:42 AM

@ngn Raise the issue on your meta? If you don't have access to your mods when you need it that is an issue for your community and should be raised (and then hopefully resolved).

I didn't like the company, and thought it has bad management, but still... sad for those who now won't have a job.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Good that you don't still work there then ... :)

@DavidPostill yeah, left 12 years ago or so.

(worked there for year and half)

@ShadowWizardWearingMask luckily the share holders will keep their profits </sarcasm>

lol

buying shares of @rene's company

8:50 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask nuuuuu. They created matrix

@jnat chat.meta.stackexchange.com/messages/8449871/history

@ShadowWizardWearingMask they go for 0,01 Euro.

@JourneymanGeek ??

LOL: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/398989/578411

@rene so I buy 99

9:05 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask chat system I use

@ShadowWizardWearingMask I would have to hire you. The shares are privately held.

@JourneymanGeek heh, never heard of it. Matrix for me is Neo.

@rene you mean you hold the shares in a private pocket?

Aibobot

Matrix (protocol)

Matrix (stylized as [matrix]) is an open standard and lightweight protocol for real-time communication. It is designed to allow users with accounts at one communications service provider to communicate with users of a different service provider via online chat, voice over IP, and videotelephony. That is, it aims to make real-time communication work seamlessly between different service providers, just like standard Simple Mail Transfer Protocol email does now for store-and-forward email service. From a technical perspective, it is an application layer communication protocol for federated real-time...

9:31 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask yes. We have a model where we return the added value to those that contributed to that added value, i.e. the people that work with us.

Amdocs wigloo Launch 2009

@Aibobot interesting, I might have worked on that, as I took major part in building something related:

►

I was part of the core team what developed Wigloo.

It was done with SharePoint, which gave tons of headaches to us.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Is this big enough:

After that social experiment failed (or at least never took off) they probably thought "Hey, let's try chat instead!" ;)

@Rob it's just an eye. Boring.

:D

Insert into Plumber's crack and you have eyebrow

Oo

9:44 AM

@Rob nah you have plumber that needs to go to hospital.

At least they could see at the greatest ocean depths, where there's no light.

Hospital needs plumbers too.

lol

Tsk tsk Tink is around but didn't bother to join... ;)

No coffee for you!

10:05 AM

@DavidPostill why not tpu-, or k? (tp doesn't add the user to black list afaik)

@ShadowWizardWearingMask My mistake. Only recently started giving feedback again :/

No TP

10:32 AM

@BlueSoul That is the most badass way of asking a question I've seen on the Tavern

@Rob That's quarantine talk

Haven't you heard ...

@user400654 I can actually imagine space was and is more mystifying. Often the only reason we look back at our own bodies is when we're sick, and illness is hardly sparkly and wondrous to most people

@user400654 we haven't learned to munch on pasta for long enough yet

10:50 AM

> Several studies have shown that Pastafarian communion is healthier for both the body and soul that Christian communion. Don't believe me? Don't eat or drink anything for three days, then have a big pile of spaghetti and a pint. I guarantee you'll feel better than if you just had a wafer and a shot of wine.

Become a Pastafarian! :)

Several studies have shown that there are no other rhetorical devices in this universe that I hate more than Pastafarianism

15 hours ago, by M.A.R.

@Mithical BTW, now that I loaded this message, this sort of thing is exactly why I'm loath to discuss these things with atheists (besides the obvious potential for escalation of course).

Sorry, can't really get myself to joke around that one

@ShadowWizardWearingMask There are many theories, here's a couple of creditable websites: phys.org/news/2019-03-big.html discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/what-came-before-the-big-bang --- One problem with creating a theory is that the Big Bang created the dimension of Time (IE: X,Y,Z,Time), immediately before the clock did not move, without that dimension it's difficult to characterize 'what came when' or was it simultaneous.

@Rob Nods physicistly

* physicistically

@ShadowWizardWearingMask I used "bug" as sort of a derogatory metaphor and it was lost on everyone

@Rob *physicistificationifically

15 hours ago, by Rob

yesterday, by Rob

People attempting Google Translate crashed their computers and got cut off by their ISP.

11:02 AM

There is ELL, not to be confused with eel

14 hours ago, by M.A.R.

Actually, I've watched quite a lot of movies and a few of the best TV shows, but I'm rather inexperienced when it comes to documentaries, except the altered, translated and probably pirated crap on our TV

My question remained unanswered! Storms out of the Tavern

ELL's Jon Skeet, StoneyB, is still on hiatus

Sigh Some wounds don't heal I guess.

@M.A.R. Given that I answered before you asked the question I feel very offended ..

@M.A.R. If you can't joke about pasta there is very little left of your sense of humour ...

My humor only involves being snarky at people and Mith.

@M.A.R. try imdb.com/title/tt0397483

Mostly Mith

> The story about the life of the legendary Dutch footballer Johan Cruijff.

Well, I guess the first step would be to pronounce his name right

Crew-jiff?

No wait, it's that weird Dutch thing like in Martijn

Cr-ewe-ewe-ewef

Maybe one ewe less

@DavidPostill Aw, sorry, but I deleted that from my Watchlist

Maybe it's my academic snobbery kicking in, but I don't enjoy that stuff.

@rene You like soccer?

11:13 AM

@M.A.R. You say like that one is not a subset of the other...

@Mithical You're special. Less than three

Ah, yes, I'm #1, of course, which is less than 3

OK. Selects Mith for AB-testing in the next crappy feature

Thee is less than three

@DavidPostill What else do you watch/have you watched?

11:25 AM

@DavidPostill oh, all good! Just thought there's some reason behind it. :)

@M.A.R. Documentaries? Not really my cup of tea, but I do enjoy things like "Planet Earth". I no longer have access to a TV (a conscious choice) and without one I'm working my way through films and TV series that I've previously missed or want to watch again. That list includes SciFi/Fantasy, Action, Detective/Forensic, ... which gives me more than enough to catch up on or watch again. I lived in NL for nearly 10 years and so missed out on a lot of UK TV productions.

I'm currently watching GoT from the start (I only saw the first 4 series before, so no spoilers please) and Babylon 5 (that's 134 episodes, including the films).

@DavidPostill ooh

And of course watching other stuff in between :)

@DavidPostill got fed up with me and rand quoting it all the time? :D

@Rob thanks! enlightened

11:30 AM

@DavidPostill non spoiler spoiler...

@DavidPostill hey! Did it too recently. Which reminds me, forgot to update @M.A.R with my final thoughts. :/

the first season is a bit of a drudge. the last season is incoherent but has the best individual episodes

It was a great experience, I noticed many things that just slipped in the first round. @David

@JourneymanGeek Next up S02E18_Confessions_and_Lamentations. Spoilers not a problem for Bab5 as I've previously seen every episode and most of the films.

@JourneymanGeek Nope :)

Babylon 5.... isn't it really old series? Remember watching something with that name, but 10+ years ago....

With some "dark force"... is it?

11:32 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask going on 20 I suspect

@JourneymanGeek ?

20 what?

@ShadowWizardWearingMask its from 1993

oh wow

@ShadowWizardWearingMask After the successful airing of a test pilot movie on February 22, 1993, Babylon 5: The Gathering, in May 1993 Warner Bros. commissioned the series for production as part of its Prime Time Entertainment Network (PTEN).[1] The show premiered in the US on January 26, 1994, and ran for five seasons.

Still one of the best space "soap operas" ever, but of course the CGI is now very dated.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask it has a few things for it

4 of the 5 seasons was ONE ARC

shoulda been 5 but it was nearly cancelled

it actually finished

@DavidPostill if they hadn't messed up the DVD transfer...

11:35 AM

hmm

I feel it would still hold its own

@DavidPostill nah, nothing can ever beat Star Trek.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask pfft

Star Trek is the Friends of SCi-Fi.

The clever thing is that the plot was mostly preplanned and there were things happening right at the end that finally made sense if you had seen the whole series ... or brought closure to stuff that happened very early on.

11:36 AM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask 👏 😠

@DavidPostill though there was a few alterations

some sadder than others

@M.A.R. oh thought you replied to my latest message lol

Sinclair should have been valen much later, but the actor had serious mental health issues. THey replaced him, and kept it secret till he passed on.

@DavidPostill Without TV, you end up with quite a lot of free room in your free time

@M.A.R. well, the room still exists?

11:37 AM

@M.A.R. Yeah. I wouldn't have the time to catch up and rewatch the good stuff :)

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Sure does

So I'll head there in 6-8

I have big news.

I did prefer Sheridan/Bruce Boxleiteners maniac energy to Michael O'hare's serious sinclair tho

@DavidPostill READ THE BOOKS READ THE BOOKS

@ShadowWizardWearingMask So have you actually watched all of Bab5?

11:38 AM

@DavidPostill no, I wasn't a big fan of it. I don't remember much, watched it with my grandfather.... wait.. which makes it much more than 10 years ago. 20-ish more like it, yeah.

@M.A.R. I SHOULD! THEY COVER THE TELEPATH WARS! THEN I WOULD KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO BESTER!

He was 90+ when we watched it.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask So you are not qualified to judge :)

@JourneymanGeek You and your Balloon5

@DavidPostill lol

I'm my own judge. :P

11:40 AM

BBL lunch

@M.A.R. I WILL BITE YOU.

@M.A.R. just finished mine

lunches on @M.A.R.'s hamstring

@JourneymanGeek careful, he got extra body parts.

he can keep his kidneys

11:41 AM

Who knows maybe by now he also got another hand, or leg. :D

@M.A.R. = Zaphod Beeblebrox

Two heads?

Nah, we would notice.

Also, hard to hide.

Easier to hide extra hand or leg.

@M.A.R. well, I have soft spot when it comes to bugs...

sdc bug for David

@ShadowWizardWearingMask No such command 'bug'.

:(

maybe....

!!/hug rene

@ShadowWizardWearingMask No such command 'hug'.

11:45 AM

grr

11:56 AM

@M.A.R. no, why?

Q: Proposal for a tweak to reputation

@ShadowWizardWearingMask HA. HA. All your organ are belong to us now.

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I came across this question today. It is the one and only question ever posted by its contributor. In the space of almost 10 years of inactivity, they have accumulated >20k reputation, and are rated as in the top 2% of contributors. No doubt it is a helpful question to a certain audience... but i...

discussion reputation

Do certain companies care about "top x% user" as opposed to just rep?

12:11 PM

@M.A.R. this reminds me of Don... too bad he can't be here, he could be a useful/funny addition to this site/room.

@M.A.R. probably

> Assumption
There is no bad question. (Ever heard of that? Isn't it a good value to have?)

If I ever hear this or another variation I'm gonna throw a fit.

Rereads the quote

Throws a fit

Fits a throw

A fit throws

This person has almost 100 less reputation points than I do on Stack Overflow; so the answer probably should be no.

1:26 PM

🚽

1:55 PM

@M.A.R. Actual name is "Huey, Dewey & Louie's Asking Protocol"

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2:24 PM

$(🍰)

ah, the rectangle is accompanied by a dollar sign this time, lovely

It's a little cake

ceci n'est pas un gateaux

:D

@Catija not so little.

I want the berry on top.

I don't know what to do today.

2:35 PM

🎂

@Catija bake a cake?

Are you on holiday? @Cat

🥳

Yeah

Figures, you're here. ;)

just have a birthday party for noone in particular

2:36 PM

Wait... why holiday, if I may ask?

4th of July extension.

@Catija ohh

Happy Canada day...

I have b-day in 9 days

Happy birthday!

@ShadowWizardWearingMask not a terrible idea.

2:38 PM

Wife and me got a habit of taking each other to a spa on his/her birthday, wonder what it will be this year, don't think spa are open yet.

@Catija thanks!

@Catija bows

@user400654 way too many details on a small icon, it looks like a dirty face. :P

🎀

@Catija send August pics, of course, what else

You all browse from mobile?? lol

I'm still in bed

throwing TL;DR on @M.A.R

@Catija oh wow. And alone at home?

2:40 PM

Andy is downstairs. Kids at daycare.

Call Andy, play some board games with him then. :D

Gus woke me up this morning by crawling across my face with a very full diaper.

ewww-ouch

Well that's part of being a parent...

Let me guess, he also aim perfectly when you change his diaper? ;)

💩

Nah hard to aim that ^

And no icon for pee. :(

(been in that discussion before, recently, think that here? ;))

2:43 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask he hasn't had an out of diaper incident since he was a week or two old.

@Catija oh wow, lucky you.... personally didn't have much too, maybe a few, but friends kept telling horror stories.

These days my 3 y/o is using a pot, and cleaning it is worse than changing diaper. :/

That's not to say he hasn't had poo-splosions.

Diaper you throw away as-is.... pot you must clean very well.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Hmm. unicode-symbol.com/u/1F755.html

@Catija does it mean he had, or didn't have? :)

@DavidPostill rectangle with a dot?!

2:47 PM

Bennett's nearly four (in two months) and he just sits on the toilet to poop and stands on a stool to pee. He's got one of those toilet seats that make the opening smaller but sometimes he just sits on the regular seat.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask did. And still does sometimes.

@Catija nice, that's what my older kids did too - both just skipped the pot, and started using the toilets at 2.5-3

Small daughter on the other hand... just isn't there for some reason.

@DavidPostill but.... how is it related to urine? lol

@Catija oh. That really sucks, yeah. It just reach... anywhere.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask That's too bad. Hopefully she'll get there soon.

@Catija thanks! :)

2:50 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Alchemical Symbols is a Unicode block containing symbols for chemicals and substances used in ancient and medieval alchemy texts.

hmm

Alchemists use to pee on their experiments :)

Well, not something that can really be used today, as nobody will understand what it means.... ;)

@DavidPostill so that's how they turned things to gold!! :P

> German alchemist Hennig Brand discovered phosphorus when he tried to make gold from urine

>
Phosphorus was first made by Hennig Brandt at Hamburg in 1669 when he evaporated urine and heated the residue until it was red hot, whereupon phosphorus vapour distilled which he collected by condensing it in water. Brandt kept his discovery secret, thinking he had discovered the Philosopher’s Stone that could turn base metals into gold. When he ran out of money, he sold phosphorus to Daniel Kraft who exhibited it around Europe including London where Robert Boyle was fascinated by it. He discovered how it was produced and investigated it systematically. (His assistant Ambrose Godfrey set …

They talk a lot about pee on tours of Vesuvius.

2:55 PM

Yay! New stuff to read! :P

yahav you really need to find another interest...

hmm....

I'll keep looking! :D

terdon

3:13 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask What do you mean? That's obviously a picture of a public toilet seen from above.

You know, one of these:

4:31 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask 🝭.

5:43 PM

@terdon I doubt there were public toilets in the ancient times... but nice try! :D

6:06 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Why not?

6:57 PM

hmm

someone just @'d someone else in a comment, but the ping went to me

because they deleted their comment before the @ comment ahppened?

Was it the OP and you were the first person to comment (and only after the other person deleted)?

yep

the other person commented second, and deleted it moments before the OP's comment went through

Status-bydesign

7:24 PM

@M.A.R. OK, checked deeper now, looks like there were, but different. E.g. In ancient Rome:

So the square with the dot isn't fitting. ;)

@Mithical you know, it's very hard to make me stop bad habits. E.g. since childhood I have a habit of chewing my lips, my mother tried to make me stop for 20 years until giving up, my wife for 12 years, not sure if she gave up yet... :D

LinkBerest

@YaakovEllis I will pass it on. I didn't send the original email (though I was involved in the process) and am working with a different team. If they want to contact you they will - I let them know to put your name in the email

Though I can suggest adding the fact that you can opt out of the reactions on Teams to the meta post talking about them being added (not being able to even find that info in meta was a big annoyance for the team)

7:40 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitation_in_ancient_Rome mdpi.com/2071-1050/8/8/779

Even the Minoans were goin' and Terdon would know 'em.

@JNat Cross site spammer: serverfault.com/users/581647/john

@πάνταῥεῖ that's not cross site.

It's a single site.

Also, no other accounts.

@ShadowWizardWearingMask OK, different users, same links: aviation.stackexchange.com/users/50344/john

Ancient john?

Yaakov Ellis

7:55 PM

@LinkBerest tell them to please email me at [my first name] @ [this domain]

yaakov@chat.meta..? :P

Yaakov Ellis

@Mithical figure it out

*thinking face*

8:09 PM

Typical mediaeval castle toilet, this one from the Tower of London. Looks like a square with a hole to me.

They look like this from the outside. You can imagine when happens to anything put in the hole ...

John Dvorak

Dumping the contents of a toilet into an interior corridor seems like a bad idea

A slightly more sophisticated mediaeval urinal, which has clearly influenced modern design ...

@JohnDvorak Erm, see the second picture ...

Precursor to the modern long drop toilet ...

When you scat, your enemies had to too.

@Rob Another fine example, complete with inbuilt illumination for peeing in the dark :)

> The toilets of a castle were usually built into the walls so that they projected out on corbels and any waste fell below and into the castle moat. Even better, waste went directly into a river as is the case of the latrines of one of the large stone halls at Chepstow Castle in Wales, built from the 11th century CE.

> Some castles, such as the 11th-century CE Corfe Castle in Dorset, England had latrine shafts emptying directly in the courtyard or bailey while still others hung conveniently over a cliff face, as at Peveril Castle in Derbyshire, England, built in 1176-1777 CE.

To think that this started it all:

6 hours ago, by DavidPostill

Poor Cliff!

8:22 PM

lol

I wonder if this was the origin of the sport of Bog Snorkelling :)

For those who don't get the joke "Bog" is UK slang for toilet

John Dvorak

🤢

🤮

lol

Damn, forgot the -

8:46 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ how do you know same user? John is a very common name.

@DavidPostill +

@DavidPostill I admit my defeat. ;)

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Check the spam links they posted in their "answers". It's very likely ...

SmokeDetector Commands

6

@Rob Yeah, I know. I'm trying to remember them which is difficult at my age :/

Star it, if enough do it will remain on the right side for a while, you can also ask for it to be pinned; or keep a tab open ...

@Rob I think I only need to remember f, k, v and n :)

8:54 PM

or you can bookmark it

@Mithical I put them in my notebook :)

(thumbs up)

9:20 PM

so

@Rob I've got this site open next to my Charcoal HQ browser tab ;-)

Probably a couple of times a month people ask, so it's handy to have it on the board; but even pins detach themselves after a period of time.

@theX walrus

@DavidPostill you did it!

@Rob two weeks

😂

But it's linked in every Smokey message, no need to pin

!!/welcome theX

9:35 PM

@ShadowWizardWearingMask Welcome to Tavern on the Meta @theX! I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network, and posts alerts to chat. You can find more about me on the Charcoal website.

Sonic the Masked Werehog

9:57 PM

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/18979908/bs-broadcast

10:15 PM

^ That's two clicks and a scroll away; while my link is direct to the section David needed.

I'd say we're lucky toilets don't need documentation, but it's not true.

11:16 PM

Wait, @SmokeDetector , you're a bot?

No she isn't

11:34 PM

really?

Spevacus

Heh, don't let the evil room owner dissuade you. SmokeDetector is a bot, and it guards the realms of Stack Exchange from those who wish to plague it with spam and other villainy. :)

Side note: Journeyman Geek is not evil, I'm just having fun.

11:46 PM

Oh, ok. I got it XD