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4:44 AM

Podcast 238: Mayor of Open Source town

Ben Popper on May 26, 2020

The software industry has become a kinder, more welcoming place. Has it finally left a certain kind of leadership behind?

Journeyman Geek

5:19 AM

@Feeds the pros and cons of sociopathic leadership

uhhh why????

John Dvorak

The SEI management is longing for the days they would dare bully the core part of their userbase, maybe?

(disclaimer: I don't listen to podcasts)

But yeah... that phrase is worrisome even in the best of days.

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

6:00 AM

@JourneymanGeek podcasts were always with a taste of "wild wild west", weren't they? That's what makes them special.

It's like @Tink's forum.... if it will have 100% politically correct language it will be boring and nobody will want to listen. ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance I don't want to comment without listening, but I'm not inclined to listen to the podcast either :D

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

:)

Tinkeringbell

6:21 AM

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance Excuse me... the forum is for trading stuff, how much politically correct language do you expect? XD It's just people saying 'please' if you're lucky! :P

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

7:10 AM

> Yo bro! Give me that cat or I'll throw my dog on ya!

This? ^

:D

Tinkeringbell

7:54 AM

They actually have a pretty 'nice' system... You can put stuff up for trade, or sell things. People could reply with 'X for Y', or 'X currency'. But they've made the system so that longer sentences reward some fake internet points. So each post you make, if you make a full sentence like 'I'd love to trade your X for my Y, please', you get a fake internet point.

It's quite a lovely way to encourage a bit of phatic expressions.

People then use those fake internet points to trade further stuff...

Yaakov Ellis

8:42 AM

for those who like to know this stuff, I left a writeup of the way that the follow button works on the client-side (trying to debug an issue that I can't repro). It is on unix meta, so posting here for more exposure.

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rene

9:03 AM

reposted in SOCVR as well

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

@Tinkeringbell no badges?

@YaakovEllis cheers!

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance Depends on your definition of badge ;) You can use some of your fake internet points to buy badge like things that display with your avatar ;)

Yaakov Ellis

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance (I posted this specifically with you in mind 😁)

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

@YaakovEllis lol, I'm honored! :D

@Tinkeringbell yeah, good enough. And do they have winter bash? ;)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance I haven't been around that long! There's a pretty heated chocolate vs. vanilla thread though :P

Mithical

9:16 AM

#teamvanilla

*goes to pour a drink of vanilla soymilk*

Tinkeringbell

And teamchocolate is winning :P

#teamchocolate!

Mithical

but- but- the statistics are on vanilla's side!

Tinkeringbell

@Mithical Apparently you're using the wrong statistics: belltreeforums.com/threads/chocolate-vs-vanilla.359262 and the current score is -238 or something like that: belltreeforums.com/threads/chocolate-vs-vanilla.359262/page-284

Mithical

*grumble* heathens

Tinkeringbell

Yup, fully certified :P

Mithical

9:22 AM

please provide your certificate for routine examination

Tinkeringbell

Hmm.

rummages through drawers

finds certificate of baptism with a big red cross through it

Does that work?

Mithical

no

especially since that was nullified

well, i suppose then...

a nullified certificate of baptism is a valid certificate of heathenism. you may pass and have chocolate

Tinkeringbell

Yesss! :D

Journeyman Geek

10:05 AM

Uhh. I'm not actually sure if I count :D

@Mithical I wonder how that compares to the stuff here :D

Tinkeringbell

Of course you don't. Your online presense is basically an anagrammed god.

Journeyman Geek

Watched a fairly fun monster movie

also my temp storage hard drive keeps corrupting and my linux download box keeps hard shutting down so... er... I ordered a new one :D

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

10:23 AM

@Tinkeringbell chocolatejs vs. VanillaJS? ;)

@JourneymanGeek new linux download box?

Sonic the Stay-Home Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Is it an SMR drive?

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheStay-HomeHedgehog no

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance yes. It runs Linux and downloads 'linux live cds'

Basically I have a low power Linux box running for some background tasks. Long running downloads, torrents etc

The current one has a sata connection they dosen't work for some reason... And has been hard shutting down, which apparently corrupts the ext4 USB hard drive I use for storage

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

10:41 AM

@JourneymanGeek with its own WiFi?

Journeyman Geek

Uhh. No?

It's wired into my network

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

hehe

I was sure that new cars these days come with their own, independent, WiFi connection - but turns out they just connect with the driver's mobile device.

Tinkeringbell

11:29 AM

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance No, just chocolate vs. vanilla ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance oh, the old one does

the new one dosen't so I can save a few bucks

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance that's the new one I have on order

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

11:45 AM

@Tinkeringbell blasphemy! :D

@JourneymanGeek looking very... similar to the old... :)

Journeyman Geek

12:01 PM

Naw. The old one is a nuc type machine

My router is a very similar machine, sure

terdon

12:36 PM

@JourneymanGeek Heatsinks come with USB ports these days!? :P

Journeyman Geek

@terdon it's an industrial PC. They're fairly cheap if you don't mind older laptop chips 😁

One might say they are.... Cheap as chips....

terdon

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, it just really looks like a heatsink. And yes, I know it is a heatsink, which is why it looks like one, but you know what I mean:)

Journeyman Geek

🤣

Yup

My router is one too...

Journeyman Geek

1:14 PM

@terdon Its a heatsink with processing power :D

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

Can a heatsink sink?

Journeyman Geek

sure

it can even sink heat

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

Poor heat...

M.A.R.

@Journey won't need anything warm for the winter

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. actually these things run pretty cool

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

1:26 PM

@M.A.R. he has a dog

Or is it the other way around?

M.A.R.

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance Dogs have small surface area, and shed

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

@M.A.R. but they can't sink

They swim

M.A.R.

And they don't have USB ports

Well, depending on your definition

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

hehe.... just bumped into something odd. SE staff with a name of kids vest.

JC007B

429 1 6

And... banana-moon-clothing.co.uk/personalised-clothing/kids/t-shirts/…

Some staff members don't use their real name, that's fine.... but such odd name is a first. e.g. Grace Note is something more... familiar. Or isn't it? lol

Journeyman Geek

1:50 PM

I think you have it wrong

What exactly did JC007B do to have kids clothing named after them?

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

lol

Wait.. Product Marketing... so it's all a plot to increase sales!

James

2:23 PM

Morning all. I'm wondering if people have discussed language / framework / whatever versions as a core part of StackOverflow? Answers go out-of-date and then start to be downvoted as languages evolve and there are better ways of doing things, and often it's a long climb to get another answer up to be the top voted one containing more recent, significantly different information.

user400654

yea, that's been discussed quite a few times over the years

James

Looks like there haven't been any changes. What were the good points from the opposition?

user400654

> People use outdated technology all the time. For many reasons, upgrading is not always an option. We shouldn't be "handling" them, we should be answering them!

John Dvorak

There's just no good way to version real-life information. Period.

James

I see. Previous versions are also important. Perhaps a way for both sets of information to co-exist in a clear way might work? Other than potentially sabotaging the top post?

user400654

2:29 PM

the problem is, version number isn't always the best... tool for deciding which answer is the best for a given question.

What about answers that are version agnostic? who gets to decide that?

John Dvorak

aaaalthough, if you do have a central authority on collecting and redistributing information, you can determine which of two versions definitely isn't the up to date one by comparing publishing dates.

user400654

assuming... the new answer is a good answer and not just a copy paste from somewhere else

(which is more often the case than not)

John Dvorak

Here, so. In the case I'm thinking about, not so.

rene

@James here is an MSO attempt: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/314172/…

canon

I've been out for a bit. How's the company-community culture at the moment?

Feeds

2:44 PM

The Loop, May 2020: Dark Mode

Sara Chipps on May 26, 2020

We received a bunch of requests to share how we use our feedback framework on specific features. We got excited about this, and given that we just released Dark Mode (and “Ultra Dark Mode”), we thought this was a great opportunity to show how we arrived at our solution.

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

@canon looks like it's.... calm.

rene

calm after the storm

canon

one thousand percent expected that to be a rickroll... and clicked anyway

Tinkeringbell

@rene Wooohoo!

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

@rene and another related MSO discussion:

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Q: How to deal with hugely upvoted, bad and outdated answers?

I was prompted to ask this after reading this answer (scored +749/-3) Note: The answer has been edited and is now correct. Previous version The answer wasn't bad when it was added, but the information is woefully out of date. jquerylatest.com is no longer updated/maintained and is only pre...

discussion old-answers

canon

2:53 PM

hey, I remember that question

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

/cc @James ^^

rene

@Tinkeringbell a fan \o/

Tinkeringbell

I wouldn't call me a fan... but that song isn't too bad ;)

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

@AaronHall comes here often to complain about outdated answers sticking on top...

@Feeds umm.... I'm pretty sure the raise in views/logins/signup etc is not dark mode, but rather Corona. Millions of people got stuck at home with more spare time to waste than before.

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And no, I'm not data analyst. Just using some common sense.

rene

Dark times brought them here ...

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Shadow Keeps Social Distance

2:57 PM

lol

user400654

Why does it seem like every time a post comes from the blog showing data as evidence of X, there's usually a much simpler and more probable explanation for for said data, rather than (X new feature/initiative drove this traffic!)

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Shadow Keeps Social Distance

@user400654 can't blame them. When you're inside something, it's really hard to look outside.

But anyhow, one thing is for sure, the Dark Mode is a great feature, and splendidly done.

That can't be taken away. :)

James

3:20 PM

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance Thanks. Seems like not many people know about this, but it's an interesting solution.

user400654

I use dark mode for some things, but i don't like to use it on websites. This chat for example i like dark, but not main/meta.

If they ever revamped chat, it'd break what i'm using to get dark mode and additional features, and it'd never get updated as the people who created/maintain it have moved on from SO

djsmiley2kStaysInside

3:39 PM

Porkchat ftw

Tinkeringbell

3:51 PM

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance If that's true though, the spike should've started starting before the dark mode (which, IIRC, went live to beta around April Fools)... Corona was already there causing lockdowns and massive amounts of free time across Europe by then!

John Dvorak

When did it explode in the USA and in the India?

Tinkeringbell

I know one of the IPS mods was on work from home before I was. And she's from the USA

I'm guessing that means next to nothing since it's the USA...

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

6:19 PM

@JohnDvorak late

user737013

.

user737013

Hmm... Meta's chatrooms have a slightly different GUI...

user737013

Nice

Mithical

Not really. Any room hosted on chat.SE that's parented to chat.Meta will look the same as here, I believe.

user737013

@Mithical Nah! The other normal chats have rounded edges around the containers which contain the messages. There'll be many other subtle differences, but this was the first one which I observed.

user737013

6:30 PM

Same goes for the different buttons.

Mithical

SEDE - Stack Exchange Data Explorer

Discussion related to the usage of Stack Exchange's Data Explorer

user737013

I know I am being pedantic here :P

Mithical

Try visiting that room and tell me if it's different as well

user737013

@Mithical It's the same as this room, but different from other rooms (for example, the h bar, the one in which I am usually in).

Mithical

That's because the style and design of the room is inherited from the parent site - which for the h bar is Physics.SE, and for the SEDE room (and any room on Chat.Meta) is Meta.SE.

Nothing to do with which server it's on per se.

user737013

6:33 PM

@Mithical BTW, it doesn't matter at all. I just said that because I was bored and I wanted to start a conversation. "Hi!" seemed too mainstream :D

user737013

@Mithical Oh, I see...

user737013

Anyways, Hi, everyone!

Mithical

@FakeMod Oh sure, but the intricacies of SE and especially chat are a topic I enjoy discussing :P

user737013

@Mithical BTW, I don't really know why these (Meta) chatrooms are hidden from the users of other SE sites. Seeing the starboards, it's quite a fun place to be ;-)

Mithical

What do you mean by "hidden"?

Like any chat room that's parented to a room, it shows up occasionally on the sidebar of the main site (in this case, Meta.SE), which is about as discoverable as any other chat room.

user737013

6:43 PM

@Mithical By hidden, I mean I never really knew about them for quite a time (this is my second account, so don't judge my experience from its age). Whenever I go to the chat from Physics SE (the site on which I participate the most), I always end up seeing the site chatrooms. Atter that, clicking on "all rooms", I get to see all the rooms over the whole network except SO and MSE...

user737013

@Mithical Well, I am not quite active on Meta.SE :-) My statement was for those users who aren't quite active on MSE.

M.A.R.

6:56 PM

@FakeMod They're on different servers, so . . . technicalities

user737013

@M.A.R. Hmmm... But it doesn't take a lot of work to notice that MSE has a ~~"special"~~ different chat, if you visit MSE main a few times and (as Mithical said) notice the chatrooms on the side bar.

M.A.R.

@FakeMod exactly?

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

9:19 PM

@FakeMod next time use coffee to break the ice. ;)

See?

@M.A.R. maybe?

M.A.R.

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance Eh?

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

@M.A.R. sure

M.A.R.

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance Sure?

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

@M.A.R. pee (well it's a sure thing ;))

Now we need some warm...

?

:(

Oh well. I'll watch Killing Eve then.

Fitting mood ^

M.A.R.

9:38 PM

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance Is Eve about to get killed?

V2Blast

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance perhaps SmokeDetector was just taking a nap

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance I feel like they made the same claim in a past post (on the blog or elsewhere), and someone challenged it with the same reasoning, and a staff member might have responded with the relevant data?

Shadow Keeps Social Distance

10:52 PM

@M.A.R. yup

She's always about to get killed, that's the whole show. ;)

@V2Blast or staying away due to my previous message...

@V2Blast yeah, answer on MSE posted after that message.

user707129

11:14 PM

What do the election results mean? e.g. ell.stackexchange.com/election/download-result/4

V2Blast

11:30 PM

@ShadowKeepsSocialDistance No, I mean earlier than that. Like, at least a few weeks ago, or maybe more.

Sonic the Stay-Home Hedgehog

@Daniil There's a video linked in the election FAQ that explains how it all works.

In the particular case you linked, it was a two-candidate election, so the threshold was about one third. Both elected moderators received more than a third of first choice votes each, and so both were elected without any further recounting or rebalancing.

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