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terdon

4:00 PM

@Mithical Is that an "s" by any chance?

Greek has the same thing where you write σ normally, but ς (s) if it's the last letter.

Mithical

"tz", or "ts"

BlueSoul

wondering... what exactly is posted by Feeds? Just the blog posts?

(I was thinking to add it to the ignore but I don't know if I would risk loosing something noteworthy)

user400654

xkcd

it's listed in room info

Stack Overflow Blog posted by Feeds
xkcd.com posted by Feeds
Unicorn Meta Zoo posted by Feeds

BlueSoul

oh, thanks for the info.

terdon

@Mithical huh, that's closeish. I wonder if it's related.

BlueSoul

4:10 PM

also another question.

Who ate the parrot?

AKA: do anyone know where @Tink is gone?

user400654

considering the account still shows activity, probably just busy

Shadow9

@curious kind of. There are two sets of letters: one for "printed Hebrew" and one for "day to day Hebrew". The letters in each are totally different in their shapes. The soup has both sets combined, e.g. in the "product name" part, the first line is written with the "day to day" letter set, and the second line with the "printed" set of Hebrew letters.

Writing with the "spoken/day-to-day" letters gives a product more authentic feeling, as if it's home made.

@BlueSoul she's fine.

Just.... not here.

BlueSoul

weird.

Shadow9

@BlueSoul actually....

in The Awkward Silence on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Feb 10 at 12:13, by Tinkeringbell

True. I'm taking a break. :)

So, no Tink for now.

Mithical

@Shadow9 "cursive" and "print" ;)

Shadow9

4:26 PM

@Mithical yeah... :)

user400654

4:55 PM

🚽

cool, another teams ad disguised as an important announcement

Rob

5:14 PM

@Shadow9 & @terdon there's a great explanation of the verticals of typography here:

Typeface anatomy

Typeface anatomy describes the graphic elements that make up Font in a typeface. == Strokes == The strokes are the components of a letterform. Strokes may be straight, as in k l v w x z, or curved, as in c o s. If straight, they may be horizontal, vertical, or diagonal; if curved, open or closed. Typographers also speak of an instroke, where one starts writing the letter, as at the top of a c f, and an outstroke, where the pen leaves off, as at the bottom of c e j k t y. A main vertical stroke is called a stem. The letter m has three, the left, middle, and right stems. The central stroke of an...

user400654

kinda funny how it wasn't used for the new SE imposed faq or the privacy policy update

terdon

@Rob That's about printing, not about different scripts and how they're written though.

user400654

5:52 PM

or the blog update, for that matter

when was the last time it was used for an actual Q&A feature/change?

maybe the 3 vote closure?

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@journey If you're online could you make a judgement at this one please:
https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/343654/should-i-edit-a-question-where-a-specific-version-of-a-software-package-is-not-s

Rob

6:17 PM

Applicable to half a dozen sites (or so), if that's what you are asking.

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Not network wide though.

And very specific about linking an example.

Rob

Off Topic (for one of the reasons) requires:

This question's topic is only applicable to one specific site in the Stack Exchange Network. Questions on Meta Stack Exchange should relate to features or policies that commonly apply to the network or the software that drives it, within the guidelines defined in the help center. You should ask this question on the meta site where your concern originated.

Vote as you wish, or do as you did (ask the moderator, when they return). Don't let others influence your vote.

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@journey is a particular expert regarding SU, that's why I 've been calling hin in here.

Rob

meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/documentation-versions/info

djsmiley2k TMW

6:55 PM

according to what you posted @rob, it's both off topic, and on topic

as it's not simply about one site (however diifferent sites might feel differently about the answer)

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^ That

djsmiley2k TMW

And meta is the only sensible way I can think of discussing something accross multiple sites

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Hmm, there's always a chat room to talk and investigate about specific questions as in that case.

djsmiley2k TMW

This is true, but a lot of chat's are dead.

and chat is empheral.

I think I said that right :D

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The current answers at the question in question aren't very helpful though :-P

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

8:01 PM

@terdon That's not...entirely the case in Gujarati

terdon

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog No idea, but that doesn't look like a sanskrit script based on the 2 seconds I spent looking at its wikipedia page.

Mithrandir24601

@Mithical Ramen's so good :)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@terdon Nope, it's most definitely forked directly from Devanagari script (what you call "Sanskrit script"), but lacking a line at the top.

terdon

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog No, what I call Sanskrit script is Sanskrit, not Devangari.

Sanskrit

Sanskrit (English: ; Sanskrit: संस्कृत, romanized: saṃskṛta, IPA: [ˈsɐ̃skr̩tɐ] (listen)) is a language of ancient India with a 3,500-year history. It is the primary liturgical language of Hinduism and the predominant language of most works of Hindu philosophy as well as some of the principal texts of Buddhism and Jainism. Sanskrit, in its variants and numerous dialects, was the lingua franca of ancient and medieval India. In the early 1st millennium CE, along with Buddhism and Hinduism, Sanskrit migrated to Southeast Asia, parts of East Asia and Central Asia, emerging as a language of high culture...

I studied ancient Sanskrit as a child (don't ask), that's why I'm a little familiar with it.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@terdon That's a language, not a script. In a similar vein, the text you're reading now is Latin script, not "English script".

terdon

8:08 PM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Hmm, yes. But what would you call the script used for Classical Sanskrit?

this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit#Classical_Sanskrit

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@terdon I guess you could call it the same. After all, the modified Devanagari script used by Gujarati is called "Gujarati script"

terdon

"the same"?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@terdon as the language

terdon

So we're back to "Sanskrit script"? :)

Rob

8:35 PM

@djsmiley2kTMW You'll need to be more specific, the other 4 votes are for: OT, one site - I have posted/voted nothing about it being off-topic.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideasthesia and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

canon

8:47 PM

Sanskript?

terdon

@canon Sold!

Andras Deak

10:21 PM

@terdon it must be a pain to distinguish all those "arc" letters (line 3, columns 2, 3, 5 with 1-based indices)

terdon

11:18 PM

Yeah, it's always weird when it isn't your language. Native speakers will presumably be very used to it. I'm sure there are similarly hard things for people who need to learn latin script.

ert

I suspect context would probably disambiguate it the majority of the time

Andras Deak

@terdon could be...I can't really distance myself from my latin-scripted bias

terdon

Yeah, me neither.

user400654

🍎

Andras Deak

I learned Russian as a teenager and even there I didn't see this issue. Some characters are very similar, but cursive has a way to distinguish them nicely

terdon

11:22 PM

Well, hang on. There's always l (L) and I (i) in sans serif fonts.

Andras Deak

@terdon meh

terdon

Those are 100% identical sometimes.

Andras Deak

I'm thinking more like a vs d (cursive)

terdon

d vs b is hard if you're dyslexic.

ert

Surprised you mention Russian, they've got the worst cursive

Andras Deak

11:22 PM

@ert no, it's glorious :)

ert

terdon

But I learned both latin and greek alphabets as a child, so both are completely natural to me, but I have often heard people claim that the Greek is somehow very hard. Of course, I've also heard Greeks say the same about other alphabets. I doubt there's much objective difference.

ert

Had an ex who wrote exactly like that

It was a nightmare

Andras Deak

assuming you spell out the starting wiggles for every character that looks like "u" :D

terdon

Oh man, cursive is awful in all languages for me.

Andras Deak

11:23 PM

bah, my connection is crapping out again

terdon

I can't parse it. I can kinda sorta do it in English, but French? Forget it.

Andras Deak

@ert OK, maybe there are some problems :P

ert

Heh, well to be fair, the worst offenders are и ш щ in cursive

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Just a quick question: do deleted questions now show with a red background on the homepage if they are loaded by the WebSocket (live refresh)? If so, is this a new system feature, or is it a user script?

ert

The rest is only because of English, where their 'D' looks like д/g/D

Always takes me a second to figure out if it's a g or a d :|

Andras Deak

11:26 PM

@ert also ц

ert

In cursive it's not too bad

Looks super weird though

Andras Deak

@ert also what looks like m is t because m is M but smaller...unless it's not cursive

ert

a U with a y attached to it

Aye, only way to differentiate from M and T is by where the tail starts on the left

top = t, bottom = m

Andras Deak

the way I was taught is that "t" looks like a cursive latin m, whereas "m" is as curly as the cursive in your image, L + half an i (with an initial wiggle)

ert

Never did latin, so I'm not sure

Andras Deak

11:30 PM

you never wrote cursive English?

ert

Oh, I thought you meant that in latin they wrote a cursive m in a particular way

I probably did in primary school, but gonna be honest, I don't really know how to write cursive other than just joining the letters in handwriting

I can read it fine though, usually

Andras Deak

I just meant a cursive m that actually looks like m :)

ert

Cursive ms in English start at the bottom, though?

They start at the top for a printed m

Ah, I guess it's only at the bottom for a capital M

Andras Deak

Bah, internet gave up. Over to mobile.

@ert we're taught to write it as m, starting top left

And what I was trying to say is that the Russian Cyrillic cursive I was taught spells "warm" as menлo (I only used л from my Cyrillic keyboard layout)

That's how the letters look like except л which is pointy like in your figure

I mean 8 and 14 (1-based) in bottom row upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/…

ert

11:46 PM

Yup that's right

Andras Deak

OK, so not entirely chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8236925#8236925 and we agree ;)

I probably just misunderstood you

ert

Ah, well, a t in Russian cursive always starts at the top left, the m always at the bottom left

There are probably more differences, but for me, that's how I differentiate them :)

Which yeah, matches with your example of menлo

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