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@Shadow9 I can agree on the vaccine, as that's apparently important for people with pre-existing health conditions... but there's no cure for flu or a common cold besides just being sick until you're not.

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow9 so lets say I was exposed

or possibly exposed

I stay. the heck. at home

Shadow9

8:58 AM

Also, high death rate.. 10%, I think? Common flu has much lower death rate.

Journeyman Geek

If I'm in the epicenter of an epidemic, going to another country is the worst thing I can do

@Shadow9 uhm

Flu can kill

BlueSoul

@JourneymanGeek Offices idiotic culture says the opposite.

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow9 Common flu does... that's why mom has to get a flu shot each year.

Shadow9

@JourneymanGeek true, edited my message

Tinkeringbell

She works with elderly/compromised health people and if she carries it to them, they can die.

BlueSoul

8:59 AM

You go to work and spread the flu to your coworkers. Because that's the best way to show that you are a great worker and deserve a promotion. Right?

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow9 and tbh, outside medical workers, I work in a place that's really likely for anyone exposed to pass through

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow9 I still wonder if that's true.

They say the deaths here are from people with pre-existing health conditions too...

Shadow9

@Tinkeringbell well, didn't dig into it.... maybe

Tinkeringbell

I can't find any numbers quickly on how many of those die each year of 'common' cold or flu

Journeyman Geek

(also, I just talked to someone about irrational fears, and I feel like I should be panicing more :D)

Jolenealaska

9:03 AM

The numbers that we have are legitimately scary. The deathrate is NOT 10%, but more like 3%.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Nah.

That's how you get mass hysteria ;)

Journeyman Geek

yup

also my immune system tends to curbstomp nearly anything :D

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Tinkeringbell

knock on wood but I haven't had either a nasty cold or flu yet this year...

@JourneymanGeek They had to debunk a similar rumour about an English patent here yesterday.

Jolenealaska

@JourneymanGeek Yep. If I were you, actually getting sick would be the least of my worries.

Journeyman Geek

@Jolenealaska 0_0

what should I be worried about? :D

Tinkeringbell

9:07 AM

Well you did say your apartment would have a bomb proof room! :P

Jolenealaska

You're in a panic zone. In an airport.

Journeyman Geek

@Jolenealaska ah that's true

but airports, like casinos are designed to funnel people one way :D

and I know all the other ways

The stuff that actually scares me, I can't talk about :D

(Actually, I have a cold-email about an opening I heard about unofficially to write, which actually scares me, and matchmaking which actually has me stressed out :D)

Shadow9

@JourneymanGeek spiders?

Jolenealaska

@JourneymanGeek I used to work for NSA and I can't say that!

BlueSoul

@JourneymanGeek Meta SE future?

Mithical

9:22 AM

YES finally done with all the dental work.

Shadow9

Great!

@Mithical BTW, why not wait until you're in the army and get all of this for free, and likely more accessible?

You went to private doctor?

Mithical

Went with Clalit.

Shadow9

hmm

Mithical

My parents got Platinum so it was fairly cheap, as long as I did it before I turn 18.

Shadow9

Well what's done is done, but keep in mind that during army service, you should get any medical treatment for free.

Magisch

9:27 AM

@Jolenealaska i'm fairly confident the coronavirus would hit me like a flu (e.g a week or two of mild discomfort) so I'm not particularly worried. But I am worried about a local panic

or overloaded hospitals/doctors offices

Mithical

@Shadow9 also I kinda needed to get one of them taken care of, it was starting to really hurt

But... after this wears off, no more numbing! *celebrates*

Jolenealaska

@Magisch It would be dangerous for me to catch it, but I don't expect to run into it anytime soon.

But the world is one big tinderbox today.

This is truly potentially really, really bad.

Magisch

I think if we do see a global pandemic at scale (e.g 15-20% of the world pop catch it) then the main issue won't be from the mortality rate

the main issue will be that society and it's supply chains can't sustain that and will collapse hella fast.

Jolenealaska

@Magisch agreed

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Time to start growing some vegetables! looks up what grows at this time of year

Jolenealaska

9:32 AM

And the supposed leader of the free world is ....

Tinkeringbell

I don't think we have a single world leader?

Jolenealaska

Of course we don't.

Tinkeringbell

I mean, I know they often refer to presidents of america, russia, china, germany, and france as such...

Oh good.

People aren't that delusional yet then :D

Jolenealaska

But one office is often called that and it's sarcasm.

Tinkeringbell

I'd be weary of calling it sarcasm...

People often seem to mean it these days.

Jolenealaska

9:34 AM

MY comment was sarcasm.

Tinkeringbell

Good :)

Shadow9

@Mithical now go eat some sugar! :D

Mithical

@Shadow9 can't eat for another two hours

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell time to start hoarding all the monster bunnies before people think of using them as food

and then you have a cuddly entourage

Tinkeringbell

Forward, my army! :D

Magisch

9:39 AM

is a herd of bunnies called a bundle?

Tinkeringbell

I think it'll be at least 2 years before I have a.) my apartment and b.) the garden in such order it will suit a bunch of bunnies ;)

@Magisch It is now ;)

Shadow9

@Tinkeringbell what about car?

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow9 Slow going, but in progress too...

I'm very annoyed at the process and this will be my 3rd/4th/final attempt. If it doesn't work, I'll just stick to train travel.

Magisch

Do you have to re-take the driving test?

Tinkeringbell

Oh, not that process, and no.

Just the process of getting a company car.

Magisch

9:47 AM

Ah

Tinkeringbell

They're the ones that keep suggesting a car is better than trains.

Magisch

I did the math on getting an electric scooter some time ago (thats the fastest thing the government will let me drive) and it's not worth it

like, at all

Shadow9

@Magi can't you drive a car?

Magisch

no, my eyes are screwed up

Shadow9

:(

Tinkeringbell

9:49 AM

@Magisch :(

Magisch

glasses don't sufficiently fix it and I'm not letting anyone laser into my eyes

@Tinkeringbell It would be an additional 30-40€ a month in insurance, charging and depreciation, and I would lose ~25 minutes a day that I would have to spend exercising to maintain current exercise levels I get from cycling everywhere.

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Yep. That's one thing I'd lose to when I get a car. Walks to/from public transport to wherever I need to be.

Magisch

It doesn't sound like much but it adds up.

Shadow9

@Tinkeringbell Why walk when you can fly?! :P

Tinkeringbell

@Shadow9 I'm modest.

rene

9:51 AM

Yep. I notice the walking / lack of walking as well.

Magisch

right now I'm cycling 5.5km per workday just passively. I hardly notice it anymore and it's not lost time because it's a commute. If you look at it that way, cycling is really, really worth it

free exercise + cheaper

Shadow9

@Magisch took my body almost 20 years to realize I stopped doing any kind of exercise and gain fat. So you might be still good to go. ;)

Magisch

@Shadow9 It's easier to stay healthy if you keep exercising throughout

Shadow9

meh... I didn't get sick all those years.

Magisch

I'm not you. I put on weight when I eat an extra 100kcal a day. I have to watch what I eat and how I exercise and keep track.

my health is precious to me

Shadow9

9:54 AM

hmm.... well yeah each and their own body.

But in general, I just don't buy the "You must stay fit to stay healthy!1!" idea.

Magisch

My dad also got back problems at 35. And I'm in a super sedentary job. Just standing up every 10 minutes won't save me forever

Jolenealaska

I'm going to toot my own horn here. I lost 1/3 of my body weight (went from mildly obese to a healthy weight) the same year I turned 50, and I've kept it off for almost 3 years.

Magisch

@Jolenealaska It probably took you some effort though right?

I'm a super lazy git so I optimise every variable I can integrate into my routine so I don't have to actually work for it

Jolenealaska

Um, some, yes. But my innate laziness helped too.

And my Instant Pot.

And math.

And liking bean soup.

Magisch

math is great. so much fuzzy stuff is actually very quantifiable and doing the math once can set you up to not need to again

Jolenealaska

9:59 AM

I'm a mod on cooking.

I seriously like to quantify food stuff.

Shadow9

@Jolenealaska Instant Pot??

Jolenealaska

Pressure Cooker:

amazon.com/Instant-Pot-Multi-Use-Programmable-Pressure/dp/…

Shadow9

oh

Nice.

Bean soup is nice, agree. ;)

Jolenealaska

I pretty much lived on bean soup for like 5 months.

I played with the recipe and the nutritional profile.

And the weight fell off.

Until I was done.

Now if I need to, I just go back to living on the soup for a week or two.

Shadow9

That's... interesting diet.

Jolenealaska

10:08 AM

It worked great for me, saved money and is medically sound. Win/win/win

Whole grains only, a low-fat protein, and dense veggies in every batch.

The only nutritional imperfection is that I tended to like using a lot of sodium.

photos.app.goo.gl/eUJrwePeFpjVAssaA

Definitely not fat :)

I'm pretty sure I never will be fat again, but I have been fat most of my adult life.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Well, 24 hours is a goodly amount of time to think, and seems progress is being made.

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Okay. This shall be my last attempt at a 'soft' approach... If you come back after a suspension, you don't immediately start referring to/complaining about/reminiscing about said suspension again. You're still walking on eggshells here, I advise you find more solid ground.

HostileFork says dont trust SE

Sorry for being so pessimistic.

Tinkeringbell

@Jolenealaska I need that recipe for once I live on my own... I'm still working on getting rid of being morbidly obese :/

Gimby

@Tinkeringbell Talk to a nutritionist, please. Don't wing it yourself. There are so many triggers for a body to maintain a high fat percentage and a lot of them have absolutely nothing to do with eating too much or eating hamburgers.

Jolenealaska

10:22 AM

It's super easy. My units are weird 'cuz I am, but here is my most recent recipe:

Tinkeringbell

@Gimby Blegh. Those are overpaid/overrated. Calories in < calories out.

Jolenealaska

@Tinkeringbell agreed

Tinkeringbell

There's nothing physically wrong with me, though the doctor keeps suggesting I quit hormones.

I won't. So we're at an impasse.

Magisch

@Gimby Used to think that. I used to be rather overweight (had about 25kg more then I ought to) but was able to get rid of it just by counting calories and eating less

no extra exercise, no other changes

There are some things that lower your base metabolic rate and make you burn fewer calories, like some conditions, etc. But at the end of the day you can beat that too by just eating a bit less then other people

Jolenealaska

Recipe: docs.google.com/document/d/…

HostileFork says dont trust SE

10:25 AM

@Tinkeringbell I was a resident advisor (RA) in college, and so it was kind of my job to enforce the rules. I got free room and board for doing so. But at the same time, if I could smell the marijuana in the hall, I had to be like "uh, people, you're doing it wrong...and they're going to be on my tail for this when the parents come through on a tour".

So I understand the gray area where you're not really authority but you kind of have to go around doing authority-like things.

Mithical

....

Jolenealaska

It's different every time. I make notes if the batch is noteworthy.

Magisch

In the end the body is not capable of violating the second law of thermodynamics so if you expend more energy then you take in, it's physically inevitable to lose weight

Tinkeringbell

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE If that's a promise to do better from now on, it's a convoluted one.

terdon

@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE What grey area? Tink is authority here.

Tinkeringbell

10:27 AM

@Magisch At the same time though, you want to lose fat, not muscle ;)

Jolenealaska

That recipe will require translation.

Tinkeringbell

So exercise is as important as eating less.

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell a baseline of it is. I didn't lose any muscle and all my exercise is 40 pushups every 2 days and 5.5km per workday as cycling

Tinkeringbell

@Jolenealaska I'm still curious to see what you managed to make of bean soup ;) The one grandma makes is the only one we eat here, and it's gross.

@Magisch Yeah, that's exercise :P

Jolenealaska

@Tinkeringbell No it isn't. For health, yeah. For weight loss, no amount of exercise will make it as fast as eating fewer calories.

Gimby

10:29 AM

The typical arguments, but what works for one person does not work for another unfortunately. Losing weight by eating less only works if you are in fact eating too much. But if you are eating normally yet are eating mostly an unnatural diet... eating less absolutely won't work for you, in fact you will put yourself in the danger zone.

Jolenealaska

The literature is pretty conclusive.

Well, that's a huge if.

Tinkeringbell

Eating fewer calories without exercise will mean that you also lose some muscle, that's what they taught me. Losing muscle comes with a lower base metabolic rate, so you'd want to avoid it, apparently.

Of course just eating less is faster than exercising more, but I'm not sure if it's the most healthy way :)

(It's not being advocated as such here)

BlueSoul

Wes

Does the drama around these parts ever end?

BlueSoul

@Tinkeringbell now with 20% more ink in each can.

Tinkeringbell

10:32 AM

@Gimby Well, so far moving a bit more has worked for me... I just hate exercise/sports, I prefer to spend the little free time I have reading/crocheting/gaming (in that order). It feels like such a waste of time to go chasing a ball...

Wes

taken a quick look at meta reciently

Shadow9

@Wes and?

Wes

Seems like every post I see is an angry "community" post not community bot.

Tinkeringbell

@Wes The flag queue seems to indicate not ;)

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell see, my exercise is under 20 minutes a day

Tinkeringbell

10:33 AM

@Magisch It's still exercise ;)

It's apparently enough for you to keep up what muscle you have.

Magisch

I'm not super fit, yeah

Jolenealaska

How I lost 1/3 of my weight was perfectly healthy for me, my Drs are in complete agreement. It would be a healthy diet for 99% (made up #) of fat but otherwise healthy people.

Shadow9

@Wes so you have some weird filter.... I really don't see so many now.

Wes

Stared items on this room. are also seeming to relate to drams

shog9 monica, moderation, another leaving.

Mithical

*athlete wondering how people don't go stir crazy moving so little*

Magisch

10:34 AM

on a note just how powerful calorie counting is. When I started doing this I ate just under 400 kcal a day less then my BMR. This made me drop 15kg in 2 months entirely passively

Tinkeringbell

@Wes Not my fault. There's a pinned message welcoming a new room owner too ;)

Shadow9

That's no drama either:

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