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V2Blast

12:46 AM

!!/tea

SmokeDetector

@V2Blast brews a cup of earl grey tea for @V2Blast

V2Blast

"Tea. Earl grey. Decaf."

Journeyman Geek

....

V2Blast

1:01 AM

It's a reference to something. :P

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@user1271772 She's based in Europe (the Netherlands), and it's sleeping time now there

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

6:34 AM

!!/watch aquarock\.in

SmokeDetector

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog That pattern looks like it's already caught by Potentially bad keyword in answer and Potentially bad keyword in body; append -force if you really want to do that.

ymb1

7:10 AM

hi all, I have feedback on meta.stackexchange.com/q/337013/392799, which directs me to post said feedback on meta.stackexchange.com/q/339700/392799 ... which is locked ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

it boils down to this comment:

Indeed. I find "private feedback for you" even stranger. What is private feedback for me? Everything? Only the blob of text that follows? It's so robotic, I would make that more personal. "The following is for your eyes only: unicorns, rainbows, lost keys". — Gimby Oct 29 '19 at 12:43

"private feedback for you" was very confusing when I asked a question on a site I'm low-rep on. I understood it as whether I answer yes or no (to the dupe suggestion), it will be a private feedback, and I wondered what the heck for. (PS I had to ask someone to VTC the question for me to begin with, but that's another matter)

apart from now being blue and not yellow, did the same banners with different words and the same mechanism really make any difference...

maybe blue is more calming and that's it

V2Blast

7:48 AM

@ymb1 Per @JourneymanGeek's comment:

There's about 2 pages of answers and a month and a bit. I've had a word with Yaakov, or vice versa, and well- at this point new posts to report new bugs are probably going to be neater. If its here - no need to repost. Else, feel free to handle it as per any other issue on the network :). Despite what the post notice says - its not off topic. It is however of historical significance. I'd also suggest folks not close things as duplicates of this — Journeyman Geek ♦ Jan 5 at 14:01

ymb1

Ah thanks i have a tendency to ignore comments under posts

djsmiley2k TMW

9:15 AM

/me looks in

Tinkeringbell

morning!

Journeyman Geek

@ymb1 I would also add this is as per Yaakov's request, and I have no idea how better to let people know that it's fine to ask a new question

Tinkeringbell

9:31 AM

@rene Someone that cheated me out of knowledge about the best condiment for a chicken sandwich

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Tinkeringbell Depends if you want it india or texas style

Rob

10:10 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yaakov wrote in his comments a few times to open a new question. Here is one example to refer to:

@Bergi if you want to report a new issue, please make a new post. It is hard enough to track issues in answers here. No good way to do it in comments. — Yaakov Ellis ♦ Dec 30 '19 at 14:16

Journeyman Geek

Yup

this was on our block advertising board...

that chicken looks like its... seen things...

Rob

10:41 AM

The meat doesn't look any better, it's outgassing. Scary stuff, some reports in North America say over 35M in lockdown while other reports say over 56M in lockdown.

rene

@Tinkeringbell fair enough ...

Tinkeringbell

11:03 AM

@JourneymanGeek Poor chicken! Maybe it has Kung Flu too!

πάντα ῥεῖ

LOL

Kung Flu flighting ...

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell boooo 😁

πάντα ῥεῖ

scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/…

I am pretty sure that won't be appropriate for SE Super User. — πάντα ῥεῖ 40 secs ago

@Journey ?

Journeyman Geek

No

Looks like word salad to me 😁

πάντα ῥεῖ

Proto word salad to be precise :D

Your question seems to be too hypothetical and unfocussed to be asked at any SE site IMO. — πάντα ῥεῖ 45 secs ago

Andras Deak

11:25 AM

World building...

πάντα ῥεῖ

Not really ...

Rob

There was a rumor about Chicken Tikka Masala but it turned out to be a (possibly NSFW) April Fool's joke.

Andras Deak

@πάνταῥεῖ Presumably the question would involve "a network of quality-centered knowledge repositories in all areas of life and technology", making it fiction from the start

πάντα ῥεῖ

:D

@Rob Condom flavours??? :O

Cindy Meister

@Rob According to the news report on our television, including film from the quarantained cities and inverviews of its citizens, the only restriction (so far) is limited travel in/out of these cities. Life within them seems to go on as usual, except people wearing masks when in public. FWIW our centre for infectious diseases says 1) Masks won't really help for this virus and 2) This virus is a lot less dangerous than SARS was a few years ago.

It's more that China is reacting earlier and more publicly

Rob

11:31 AM

Condomment, is what you ment ...

John Dvorak

isn't people wearing masks "life as usual"?

Rob

@CindyMeister The only purpose I see for the masks is coughing or spitting when you talk, as for containing the virus it takes more than a $2 piece of paper. I guess it makes the person appear considerate, is the positive way of looking at it.

John Dvorak

so it's a security theater?

Rob

Proper protection requires Biosafety Level 3:

Biosafety level

A biosafety level is a set of biocontainment precautions required to isolate dangerous biological agents in an enclosed laboratory facility. The levels of containment range from the lowest biosafety level 1 (BSL-1) to the highest at level 4 (BSL-4). In the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have specified these levels. In the European Union, the same biosafety levels are defined in a directive. In Canada the four levels are known as Containment Levels. Facilities with these designations are also sometimes given as P1 through P4 (for Pathogen or Protection level...

Cindy Meister

11:50 AM

@JohnDvorak More (until now) in Japan, I think... But, yes, I've also encountered Chinese tourists, recently, here in Switzerland, in the train, who were wearing masks.

I don't think it's "theatre". Keeping in mind the population density and how diseases are quickly spread due to mobility, it seems to me not such a bad idea.

Reading in the newspaper today: Last weekend was "Hilari" in a small town in the region. The school children were told: "But you come to school on Monday - no playing hookie, just because you were out having a good time!". The kids were in school on Monday, but by mid-week more than half the school was at home, sick, in bed. With the flu.

@Rob And if everyone "believes" it can also prevent wide-spread panic or "odd" behavior.

The "experts" here say the virus ought not to be dangerous for "normal" people. The problems would more manifest in the otherwise weakened (elderly, babies, those with immune-system problems) because it attacks the lungs.

John Dvorak

Not dangerous for normal people and spreading wide? That's bound to cause mass panic.

Rob

A week off with pay and travel only to buy food or turn oneself in to the hospital would be a better course of action. It's not necessarily (or only) how "dangerous" it is, but how contagious it is - if it made everyone sneeze or laugh it would still be a huge problem. If in a few weeks there are additional measures there's bound to be some "panic" too.

Cindy Meister

^^Agreed That's why the quarantain's are in-force.

In Asia (including China) they're apparently taking people's temperature in places of public transportation (airports, train stations) in order to identify and isolate/treat anyone with a fever. The Chinese are instructed to take anyone sick to hospital for tests and treatment. There's concern there's a lot of cases that aren't identified (which makes sense if people think they have a "normal" flu).

In France and Australia, people who've returned from the Wuhan province in the last week have been hospizalized (and quarantained) with the virus. But they're apparently stable and in no danger. So, yes, extremely contagious. Especially because it's a new mutation so everyone has to build anti-bodies and there are no vaccinations available.

John Dvorak

12:07 PM

so, everyone on Earth sneezing for a month, then nothing? There are worse scenarios than that

Rob

The problem is that the onset takes a week (you're most welcome to provide a link to a better source) so people can spread the virus for a week before knowing that they are infected. --- Coronaviruses mutate so after one is infected and cured you can recontract a variant and become sick again; like ripples in a pond, under a waterfall.

John Dvorak

plot hook

Journeyman Geek

12:28 PM

@CindyMeister not everyone has a temperature apparently

My usual job's in an airport - and we're kinda the most high risk of our work sites

the idea of masks is to restrict spread by droplets as I understand. Even N95 (the 'standard") sorta mask won't do much good

@Rob During SARs the protocol was home quarantine

Rob

Probably 65.6 million / 365 = 179726.02 people per day travel through the airport, prior to the outbreak.

Rob

1:09 PM

Amazon is sold out of the approved respirators. They are not expected to be 100% effective, at 95% efficiency, with a 0.1% (guess) chance of transmission close contact with 1000 people would represent 5 transmissions; even if the transmission was for the most part ineffective it would only take a week for one person to pass it to another.

Tinkeringbell

2:13 PM

@JourneymanGeek Hey, tell that to the person that told me :P It's not an original joke XD

ymb1

4:30 PM

@JourneymanGeek hi -- RE "I have no idea how better to let people know that it's fine to ask a new question": my suggestion: unlock, edit the eye catching header to say something like: If you have feedback, check if it's been posted [here], if not, ask a new question, lock

Journeyman Geek

@ymb1 can't edit it

Else I would have done it in the first place. Have a FR for being able to do that :D

ymb1

that's a new acronym for me, gotta be higher than a CM? :P :D

Journeyman Geek

Feature request

31

Q: Freeform lock reasons would be useful

There's a fixed, and rather small set of lock reasons, with fundamentally two different types - post and comment locks. Maybe it's meta, but a lot of the time our decisions when it comes to locks may need a bit more nuance - and it's pretty essential folks understand what is happening and what we...

also I see a typo. damnit

ymb1

uha!

Journeyman Geek

actually no, not a typo

actually that was due to that question

ymb1

4:35 PM

@JourneymanGeek I meant editing this: "New Post Notices have been launched network-wide. Please post all new feedback, bugs and feature requests to the new announcement post." on meta.stackexchange.com/q/337013/392799

to become sth like: If you have feedback, check if it's been posted [here], if not, ask a new question

Journeyman Geek

....

OH

OHHHH

Actually...

NO ONE EVER SUGGESTED THAT

SERIOUSLY

AND IT IS MUCH BETTER

I'll do that.

ymb1

:D great thanks

Journeyman Geek

gimme a sec to get myself reoriented with what was said and I'll thow together something suitable

DId something quick and hopefully clear

I still want a better way to do it :D

@ymb1 that's one of the nice things about many eyes (and brains) on a problem :D

yawns

Its a public holiday

good thing is people are relatively lazy

bad thing is, if something goes wrong, all hell with break loose

Catija

Meh. Hell ain’t so bad.

Journeyman Geek

4:50 PM

@Catija I like quiet nights. Especially when I've got day shifts mon and tuesday :D

Magisch

@Catija fun fact: hell means bright in german

Journeyman Geek

though

the alarms at the client's side of things are going off

Catija

My German is limited to the songs I know.

And my pronunciation is atrocious.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Which german songs do you like best?

Catija

Dunno. I was a voice major so they’re not pop songs... mostly classical stuff or opera.

Journeyman Geek

5:03 PM

so no Rammstein :D

πάντα ῥεῖ

Maybe you could be interested about Rammstein :D

Catija

Deathklock.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija Not german. But awesome

also, the last time I introduced a friend to it like a decade ago...

"Wait, what is... whoa... "

Catija

I’m as aware of Rammstein as the average American, I’d guess.

Journeyman Geek

(granted she introduced me to synphonic metal) :D

πάντα ῥεῖ

5:04 PM

Klaus Nomi is also awesome.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija Rammstein is... strange :D

Catija

@JourneymanGeek a joke... because they were based off Rammstein.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija 0_0

Really?

(maybe the people. The music style...)

Catija

That’s what I always thought?

Journeyman Geek

Granted Fictional granted metal bands are not something I consider deeply :D

πάντα ῥεῖ

5:07 PM

My most preferable german singer is Rio Reiser.

Rio Reiser - Junimond (Official Video) (VOD)

►

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

5:21 PM

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/17074716/aquarock-property

@Catija Are you OK with being pinged for these?

Mithical

Is anyone else having trouble with the mobile text box in chat?

ymb1

mini rant: question asker asking themselves :'D

I expected a mechanism overhaul, not a facelift that doesn't make sense in multiple scenarios / end of mini rant :D

Rob

6:04 PM

Scorpions - Full Concert - 08/31/85 - Oakland Coliseum Stadium (OFFICIAL)

►

So great 35 years ago, epic today (but a fair bit mellower).

πάντα ῥεῖ

How's that related to anything?

Rob

LOL

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Mithical I used the mobile text box to post the messages above yours. Are you using the new, or old interface?

Mithical

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog New. The textbox wasn't selecting and the submit button wouldn't work. Seems to be working again though.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

33

Q: New duplicate automatic comment makes literally zero sense when voting to close as a duplicate of an unanswered question

A few days ago, the automatic comment when voting to close a question as a duplicate was changed from: Possible duplicate of [x] to: Does this answer your question? [x] While some people may disagree with the change, the merits of this change and whether or not you prefer it are irrel...

feature-request status-deferred vote-to-close duplicate-questions automatic-comments

Mithical

6:10 PM

meta.stackexchange.com/posts/335026/revisions YES

Journeyman Geek

.... Oh

I... did... not expect that.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

I've found several cases, both old and new, in which developers fail to consider the case of unanswered duplicate targets. They're not allowed on main sites, and it seems their testing always assumes that a duplicate target is answered without considering that they are allowed on meta sites (and on main sites if the same user posted the same question).

ymb1

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog thanks, though the question doesn't address OP closing own post

e.g., the proposed: "Is this the same as your question? [x]" also would not work

possible dupe worked, whether it was OP closing, or someone else, as a notice in a comment

Magisch

@Mithical yaakov coming in clutch

:D

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch Probably cause its 2am... what does... "coming in clutch" mean?

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:18 PM

> dailymotion.com/video/xsefeg

Magisch

it's an idiom

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch one I seem unfamilar with :D

First hit... UD...

nooope

4

Q: What does "coming through in the clutch" mean?

Darry wants to find what happening in the pipeline, so he took sister Trisha's help by holding his legs to see what's happening in the pipeline. Some rats suddenly start coming at them, so she drops him and he falls into the pipeline. Trisha: There were rats coming at my face. Darry: Th...

meaning-in-context phrase-meaning phrases

@πάνταῥεῖ slightly more pleasant than a pack of cardinals I suspect

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek :D true. A single Sonic can be handled easier.

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ was referring more to what @Mithical was talking about WRT one of my questions :D

rene

6:34 PM

@JourneymanGeek read that as dutch instead of clutch and was wondering what we screwed up this time ...

Journeyman Geek

@rene that's worth ... Poldering

rene

lol

πάντα ῥεῖ

Searching for dry land :D

> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterworld

ymb1

6:54 PM

trying to understand the process, over the past year I've submitted a few [bug] posts -- sometimes I see [status-review], but not once on any of my bugs, does it mean it hasn't been seen yet by the respective team?

Journeyman Geek

@ymb1 there isn't really a "formal" process

Essentially, Meta's informal. If a staff member sees a bug or FR or... some other request, and its on their plate, or on the plate of someone else they are talking to... well...

ymb1

I just remembered

just the once, I posted a bug in the wrong place, and apparently it affected SE as a whole, and was solved: aviation.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3227/14897

Journeyman Geek

Well, not wrong

ymb1

now I wonder, was it brought up on Meta.SE?

Journeyman Geek

for quite a while we were told that bug posts anywhere get looked at

(dosen't scale that well alas)

ymb1

7:04 PM

doesn't seem like it was brought up: meta.stackexchange.com/… yay me

Journeyman Geek

@ymb1 ya, but that was a few years ago and before the big layoff.

ymb1

:(

Journeyman Geek

(though practically I'd be surprised if folks who worked here often didn't see/find bugs themselves. :D)

There's still a lot of dogfooding

It's Over

8:03 PM

I realize that in the absence of my wisdom Journey has taken over chat

Journeyman Geek

@It'sOver what do you mean "Has taken over". :D

It's Over

Yeah . . . Dogs have this tendency to go on top of everything

Or was that cats.

Or squirrels

πάντα ῥεῖ

Just pee everywhere :P

It's Over

Catsquirrel, the tenth servant of Sauron

πάντα ῥεῖ

Catweazle, does someone remember?

djsmiley2k TMW

8:18 PM

Cats climb inside everything...

πάντα ῥεῖ

8:58 PM

djsmiley2k TMW

lol

yes

people without cats don't realise how true it is

πάντα ῥεῖ

Give a cat a box and see them happy :)

πάντα ῥεῖ

9:12 PM

rene

9:58 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ see also: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8201961#8201961

Rob

10:47 PM

Dharman

@Rob I knew the ceiling cat was watching me

Is there a similar room for SO?

Mithical

Oct 27 '19 at 12:25, by user58

The Meta Room

General chat & hangout for Stack Overflow, including Meta disc...

8

3

Although it's kinda dead.

Disappointed in SE

@Mithical not anymore :-(

Dharman

@Rob Beware the tiger is gone. Look behind you...

Are there any mod championships taking place right now on SO?

My flags have been disappearing in less than 60 seconds all day long and I have flagged a lot today

Mithical

I believe it's named Samuel

Disappointed in SE

10:59 PM

stackexchange-timeline.webflow.io

Almost didn't notice there were three new resignations yesterday

V2Blast

hello all

Catija

@Mithical I like mine better.

2

V2Blast

lol

Catija

I made it years ago when someone told me I’d been pronouncing Shog wrong for years.

Mithical

Wait... how were you pronouncing it and how is it pronounced? I remember when you posted the image but I don't remember anything else.

And I have no idea what the story behind the ceiling Shog is, I found it in my files with no recollection of it...

Catija

11:06 PM

It’s pronounced the way you’d pronounce it for the rhyme to work. I pronounced it like show with a g on the end.

Journeyman Geek

Ah, I have been doing it right then

Mithical

Okay yeah you were weird.

;)

Catija

Yeah. That’s what he keeps telling me.

But none of y’all pronounce mine right so... oh, and the first time he said my username that I heard it... was hilarious. Apparently the entire CM team pronounced it wrong until I had my first interviews.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Catija

So most people just call me Cat.

Journeyman Geek

11:09 PM

the ija is a ya right?

Mithical

Cat, ya?

Journeyman Geek

@Catija I'm pretty certain I'd insist all of you call me Geek :D

Catija