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@ShadowTheBurningWizard Do you mean the time they straightened the one that came out at a right angle to what it should have by removing the tooth next to it, then putting in braces? Or the time I chipped a tooth? Or the filling I got about a year ago?

djsmiley2k in darkness

nearly died as a baby, etc etc, pyloric stenosis treatment left my pyloric valve so open that had extremely bad GERD, which ended up eroding my wisdom teeth

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Mithrandir24601 oh lol.... looks like anyone got something done with their teeth..... :P

@djsmiley2kindarkness oh wow

Mithrandir24601

Oh, or virtually all the times they had to remove my baby teeth because they wouldn't come out by themselves (I think my roots are really big or something :P )

djsmiley2k in darkness

12:03 PM

Also caused Barretts Esophagus.

Mithical

@ShadowTheBurningWizard I have no idea how many, this was the first of a few sessions, apparently

Shadow The Burning Wizard

I think I was pulled out as a baby, it left a nasty birthmark...

My mom told me once, but I kind of forgot the full story. :(

djsmiley2k in darkness

@Mithrandir24601 heh i recall a vegan telling me her daughter had her baby teeth at 21 due to her diet

xD

Mithrandir24601

@ShadowTheBurningWizard It's fine now, my flatmate's a dentist and he has said they look decent :)

djsmiley2k in darkness

well nearly died from malnutrition due to pyloric stenosis

at 3 got pnumonia too

Ver Nick says Reinstate Monica

12:04 PM

!!/coffee

djsmiley2k in darkness

Removed my adenoids, they grew back.

SmokeDetector

@VerNicksaysReinstateMonica brews a cup of Cappuccino for @VerNicksaysReinstateMonica

Mithrandir24601

@djsmiley2kindarkness I probably would... But they had to put in the braces at some point :P

Ver Nick says Reinstate Monica

!!/meh

SmokeDetector

@VerNicksaysReinstateMonica No such command 'meh'.

PM 2Ring

12:05 PM

@terdon Also, people living near the Arctic circle, like the Inuit people, didn't have alcohol. The collision of distilled alcohol with Australian Aboriginal cultures & Arctic cultures has not been pretty

terdon

Oh yes, distilled spirits is a different story.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Mithical oh.... sorry to hear.... all covered in the health insurance, I hope? Those things can get expansive... :(

@djsmiley so we can conclude it's a miracle you're alive? ;)

Ver Nick says Reinstate Monica

!!***test***

!!/**test**

SmokeDetector

@VerNicksaysReinstateMonica No such command '**test'.

Ver Nick says Reinstate Monica

oh come on

Shadow The Burning Wizard

12:12 PM

!!/come on

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheBurningWizard No such command 'come'.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

:(

Anyway...

!!/help

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheBurningWizard I'm SmokeDetector a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Ver ^

(list of commands)

Ver Nick says Reinstate Monica

!!//waffles

SmokeDetector

12:15 PM

@VerNicksaysReinstateMonica No such command '/waffles'.

Ver Nick says Reinstate Monica

12:35 PM

!!/lick

SmokeDetector

@VerNicksaysReinstateMonica licks ice cream cone

Shadow The Burning Wizard

lol

djsmiley2k in darkness

@ShadowTheBurningWizard depends if you allow Miracles to be caused by good science.

Ver Nick says Reinstate Monica

12:54 PM

@ShadowTheMiracleWizard

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@djsmiley2kindarkness sure :)

Mithical

Aha! Hot soup and noodles seems to have restored feeling to my mouth. Whee.

@ShadowTheBurningWizard partly

Hitodama

@ShadowTheBurningWizard please, could you bring the history book records? I think this will be a day to remember. Future generations should have a way to remember this event.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Mithical :(

@Hitodama ?

@Hitodama so late..... ;)

Tinkeringbell

1:22 PM

@Hitodama I missed that one. Welcome back!

Shadow The Burning Wizard

lol

Rob

Eggs for lunch isn’t weird.

►

Hitodama

1:35 PM

@ShadowTheBurningWizard two days ago I wasn't here... but since someone had to star that message.... the parrot will be scolded even if it is late.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Hitodama well, fair enough... still don't get the message before, why history book record?

You mean parrot was more uncouth than me?

Hitodama

@ShadowTheBurningWizard exactly

Shadow The Burning Wizard

haha

Well I'm innocent! :D

or... you just missed some of my messages....

hides

And I'm really lucky you don't have Twitter account...... :-D

Hitodama

this day shall onward be remembereth as

𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔡𝔞𝔶 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔓𝔞𝔯𝔯𝔬𝔱 𝔴𝔞𝔰 𝔲𝔫𝔠𝔬𝔲𝔱𝔥

Ben Carp

Hi everyone, I read about significant changes planned for meta.stackexchange, so it will not be used anymore for feedback and feature requests. Does anyone know about it? Couldn't find any meta thread about it

Shadow The Burning Wizard

1:49 PM

@BenCarp it's all just speculation yet

We don't really know what will happen, but one thing is for sure, major changes will take place.,

The Loop #1: How we conduct research on the Community team

Donna Choi on December 11, 2019

👋Hello! I’m Donna, the Community Design Lead at Stack Overflow.

Welcome to CHAPTER #1 of The Loop, a new blog series from the Stack Overflow Community team. This post is a deep-dive into our research approach: what it used to be, what it is now, and how it continues to evolve.

Learn more about The Loop in CHAPTER #0 (yes, our chapters are zero-based).

If you work on a product that’s ever benefited from research – whether that’s talking directly to users, analyzing experiment data, or any number of other research methods – you know how indispensable these inputs are for making the right decisions. …

Tinkeringbell

@BenCarp There were posts, but they didn't really shed any light on what's supposed to be happening, just that people were very unhappy with the idea....

Shadow The Burning Wizard

> Meta feedback. We monitor Meta for bug reports and small usability/copy issues after shipping changes to the site. Note that this may change based on what the next iteration of Meta looks like, as mentioned in the previous chapter of The Loop.

That's the latest info ^

djsmiley2k in darkness

@BenCarp So right now, it's ignored

in the future? It's ignored.

Notice the capital 'I'

And the full stop '.'.

Tinkeringbell

I don't actually know. It may well be that Meta still exists, and people can still request features... but with an expectation that you can't push the priority of those requests.

I also get a hint of 'meta people know really well what power users want, but we also want to know what those people that aren't those want, so when we're working on something we're not going to get feedback about that on meta (only?)'.

Lastly... well, I suck at keeping secrets so if anything major were to happen to this site they'd either have to not tell me in advance or tell everyone ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheBurningWizard supposedly there's supposed to be a "proper" bug tracking system to replace that role of meta.

Ben Carp

1:58 PM

I just hope, how shall I put it... dedicated community members who contributed to SOF expressed criticism on meta. I hope the intention is not to avoid criticism.

Journeyman Geek

@BenCarp I get the feeling its messy :D

Tinkeringbell

Probably not, though if with all those changes Meta ends up to be a place where only that kind of stuff happens... well then we have a bit of trouble justifying a need for a Meta ;)

Journeyman Geek

There's a lot of folks invested in meta, both within and without the company

but there's also folks who 'don't get it'

Ben Carp

@JourneymanGeek, what do you mean by "don't get it"?

Journeyman Geek

@BenCarp - ooh, that's complicated.

Take your pick

- Its a insider's club

- its hostile

- its a place solely for ranting

- WHAT IS THIS THING AND HOW DO I TURN IT ON?

Not all inaccurate - but not all of what meta is.

Ben Carp

2:03 PM

I see

Journeyman Geek

And there's a ton of spending against accumilated goodwill and community 'debt' that makes things trickier.

John Dvorak

Interestingly enough, all of this points can be made in the opposite direction as well

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@BenCarp it is, no doubt there. The way to reach a place where people can't criticize SE and/or SE actions isn't clear that's all.

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak it can

@ShadowTheBurningWizard the critique moves elsewhere

Twitter, Dev, the other thing

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Blog? Doesn't count.

Journeyman Geek

2:03 PM

and gets more hostile

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Comments there are white listed

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheBurningWizard the internet is a big place

Shadow The Burning Wizard

But complaining on Twitter won't make anyone see it.

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Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheBurningWizard Discord.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Same.

John Dvorak

2:04 PM

in before "why didn't my blog comment get approved? It was polite!"

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheBurningWizard unless you're someone famous, or it gets picked up by somewhere famous.

Tinkeringbell

I had a group of IPS people there some day aaand we did a lot of complaining.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@JourneymanGeek still, most current meta folk won't be there to see any of it.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheBurningWizard maybe not

rene

complaining is easy

Ben Carp

2:06 PM

@JourneymanGeek,
>ton of spending against accumilated goodwill and community 'debt'
Can you elaborate?

Journeyman Geek

@BenCarp well - I probably speak of the smaller sites

but we've always been second fiddle to SO - and things got pretty bad. They got better. We're kinda at the point where a few sites-communities are debating moving to alternatives.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Ben but why you ask, if I may ask? You don't seem active on meta yourself. :)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheBurningWizard insider's club :D

Shadow The Burning Wizard

lol

Journeyman Geek

@BenCarp the thing with this crisis is a lot of folks who're the 'core' of their communties, even SO kinda lost faith in SO inc

With a lot of previous issues - say with the layoffs and other things like that, there was an idea stuff could get better

Shadow The Burning Wizard

2:09 PM

True ^

Journeyman Geek

The most we have is "lets try to maintain the status quo, and keep an eye on our own sites"

For me, that includes meta, which is/has been challenging :D

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Is

@Ben in case you missed it, you can reply to specific chat message by hovering it and clicking the arrow to the right, next to the star. This way it's easier to see context.

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Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheBurningWizard something I am terrible at after a decade of using this chat :D

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@JourneymanGeek you getting better! :D

Ben Carp

@ShadowTheBurningWizard, Well, I just started answering questions a year ago, and during November I was trying to understand the decision to change reputation for questions to 10. I noticed there is a lot of criticism, and thought some of it makes sense. Now I read in their email about the decision to move feedback from meta. It seems selfish, becuase they are ignoring people who contributed to SOF.

Mithical

2:14 PM

@JourneymanGeek then again it's no worse than your apostrophes ;)

Journeyman Geek

@BenCarp well - there was a lot of politics over that

there was a spirited discussion in the moderator team that shaped the official announcement

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@BenCarp oh... yep that's also true. They'll still get feedback, but in a different way.

Journeyman Geek

But some early drafts were leaked

@BenCarp they want to

I doubt it will work as well as they want to

John Dvorak

spirited, as in the corp was ghosting you the whole time?

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Mithical he can't control the missing apostrophes

Journeyman Geek

2:15 PM

@JohnDvorak actually

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Or more accurate much harder to control

Journeyman Geek

the final version did take into account moderator feedback

and on its own would have actually probably gone better

Fundamentally, while folks are attached to rep, the numbers are fairly arbitrary :D

Ben Carp

2:39 PM

Thanks

djsmiley2k in darkness

wait a moment

did someone just explain something in chat

and no ones exploded in an argument or WWIII about it?

I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS ARURRGGGH.

there we go, status quo restored.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2kindarkness you do realise that's a core competancy of mine :D

djsmiley2k in darkness

2:56 PM

Explainer Extraordinaire?

Tinkeringbell

So, Non-Dutch people... what does this warn against? :P

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Tinkeringbell overzealous chicken?

Tinkeringbell

Almost ;)

Shadow The Burning Wizard

lol

If worst is sausage, "glad" can be... milk... so it's "Milk ahead"? :D

JAD

glad => slippery

Tinkeringbell

3:03 PM

@ShadowTheBurningWizard Where did you get that translation from?!

JAD

@Tinkeringbell random guessing? :P

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Tinkeringbell twisted mind

:P

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheBurningWizard Veeery twisted indeed :P

Shadow The Burning Wizard

haha now I have to work hard to restore @Hit's faith in my uncouthness. :D

Hitodama

@ShadowTheBurningWizard if you are jealous and want a free scolding too.... you just have to ask, you know.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

3:05 PM

@JAD slippery rooster? Must be horrible for the poor thing.... ;)

@Hitodama nah that would be pathetic....

I'll show the parrot who has bigger... beak! :D

Feeds

Tapping into the coding power of migrants and refugees in Mexico

Marcela Torres on January 08, 2020

Mexico and Latin America’s tech sector is growing rapidly, and the current market is demanding more experienced talent. But many startups in Mexico and in Latin America are failing to meet their tech goals as there’s not enough talent to build it.

HolaCode, which I founded two years ago, is focused on educating new coders in this region, and then supporting them through the early stages of their career. As we take on this challenge, we are also keeping a strong focus on diversity and ensuring that no communities from this fast growing market are left behind. …

John Dvorak

Let's play "SO blog title, or dystopian sci-fi movie elevator pitch". You've just lost.

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Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheBurningWizard Bigger, or more foul? :P

Shadow The Burning Wizard

SE getting ready for Trump conquest of Mexico, declaring all its population US citizens?

@Tinkeringbell sharper!

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak Heh, so they're draining coders of their powers over there? That sounds more like any random coding job than a dystopian sci-fi movie!

Journeyman Geek

3:10 PM

@ShadowTheBurningWizard Happy... er....

Hitodama

@Feeds this is weird... You can clearly understand what they were trying to say, yet the title for some reason just fell so wrong.

Luuklag

3:48 PM

Hey everyone, does anyone know of a list with (all) reasons that cause a comment to be auto-deleted when flagged? Or is it only the comments that start with "Thanks"?

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag I think the entire list is sekrit... to avoid getting THNX and having to add that to the list as well ;)

So it's probably 'learn by experience'.

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell fair point

Tinkeringbell

meta.stackexchange.com/a/238837/369802 < list of some expected cases...

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell thanks

Tinkeringbell

no problem!

Luuklag

3:58 PM

Well time to head home after a very unproductive day

Hitodama

@Luuklag If this can be of some consolation, not very productive here either.

At least I learned that it is not worth to try to have dynamic component templates in an Angular Element based SPFX web part.

Tinkeringbell

I made a list based of a different list?

yay tracebacks from may last year, that need 'fixing'. I think I can knock out half the list based on 'I want recent logs and see if this is still happening' and 'These things don't even exist anymore'.

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