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12:06 AM

@PM2Ring in some cases, that's an advantage

justcool393

12:19 AM

speaking of tha tpost

i can't find it anymore

i know there was a separate one on MSO that I haven;t looked for

fbueckert

4:16 AM

@rene Sooooo...I guess there's another chapter in the solar debacle? Maybe more an addendum.

They're now suing the local power company, saying they're at fault for their lateness.

rene

7:25 AM

@fbueckert they are shifting blame?

JAD

@Magisch last week I biked to work in a T-shirt :O

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@M.A.R. because I'm not extra, maybe intraterrestrial.

@rene of course!! (Googling vreugde vuren)

Well it's @Shree's fault

rene

@ShadowTheBurningWizard the short story is: They almost burned down their own neighbourhood last year and this year they wanted a permit to do it again. That didn't fly.

JAD

@ShadowTheBurningWizard bonfire

basically, a local competition between two coastal communities in The Hague to build has big a bonfire as possible, or at least bigger than the others. Of course this gets pushed to ridiculous limits. Last year they built beyond what was allowed by the fire brigade. One of the fires was so big that it rained embers all over the neighborhood, setting houses and cars on fire.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

7:41 AM

@rene oh... think @Tink said something about it, yeah...

JAD

So now they are a lot more strict with permits, and since the communities couldn't guarantee this wouldn't happen again, the permits were denied. Riots ensued.

and ironically, during the riots, parts of the neighborhood were set on fire...

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Oh, Tink posted something else.

Sep 13 '18 at 19:45, by Tinkeringbell

https://twitter.com/Stefanuzz/status/1040322119777832961?s=09 Not much smoke, let's hope that means not much fire either

@JAD well that's plain silly and criminal, they should be sent to jail. But guess that didn't happen. :(

JAD

Dutch link, but videos and images: nos.nl/artikel/…

@ShadowTheBurningWizard It's very hard to find who exactly is responsible for those kinds of things, since such a huge group of people is involved

Shadow The Burning Wizard

In Israel we have holiday where we're supposed to make bonfires, but somehow there was never a competition who makes the biggest bonfire. Guess it's more luck than brains, lol.

JAD

them's big bonfires

Shadow The Burning Wizard

7:45 AM

Lag BaOmer

Lag BaOmer (Hebrew: לַ״ג בָּעוֹמֶר), also Lag B'Omer, is a Jewish holiday celebrated on the 33rd day of the Counting of the Omer, which occurs on the 18th day of the Hebrew month of Iyar. This day marks the hillula (celebration, interpreted by some as anniversary of death) of Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, a Mishnaic sage and leading disciple of Rabbi Akiva in the 2nd century, and the day on which he revealed the deepest secrets of kabbalah in the form of the Zohar (Book of Splendor, literally “radiance”), a landmark text of Jewish mysticism. This association has spawned several well-known customs and...

@JAD wow lol

JAD

@ShadowTheBurningWizard I'm not going to comment on the perceived amount of brains in those communities

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@rene wait, so it means it didn't happen this year?

JAD

it happened last NYE

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@JAD lol, sum of brains is below zero? ;)

rene

@ShadowTheBurningWizard it is normally due at NYE. Something will happen

Shadow The Burning Wizard

7:47 AM

Sum(IQ)<0

JAD

@rene well, if they can hide the bonfire somewhere, at least it won't be as big

rene

If they find a nuclear weapon they set it off ....

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@JAD another easy solution: turn off the fires as soon as they start, by having fire fighters on alert when this is planned to happen.

JAD

@ShadowTheBurningWizard eh, it wouldn't surprise me if that'd turn into violence against the firefighters

Shadow The Burning Wizard

and make sure to spray all the people involved with water as well.

rene

7:49 AM

The crowd will sabotage the truck

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@JAD high pressure water can do miracles. :D

Israel use it as non lethal weapon for long years.

(against protesters)

JAD

note, there have been a lot of incidents during last couple of NYEs where firework was thrown to emercency personnel: police, ambulance, fire fighters.

rene

I would declare Duindorp a war zone and be done with it.

JAD

For some reason it's a good idea to give explosives to people

I wouldn't want to be there as firefighter

It's completely backwards

Shadow The Burning Wizard

So bring the commando in. ;)

(or @Nog)

Nog can shine like the sun, making them all blind. :P

@JAD anyway.... what started all of this? Anyone knows?

JAD

7:54 AM

Not much of a trigger. We do fireworks because tradition. People like fireworks. Some people like to riot. Ergo people start throwing fireworks at others, like the police.

So the police has been calling for years to ban fireworks, but politics is slow to act because muh tradition. In the meanwhile people continue to throw fireworks at others

it's basically the definition of "this is why we can't have nice things"

There's plenty of people that enjoy it responsibly, but that doesn't weigh up against certain areas being turned into warzones like rene said.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheBurningWizard No, I'm quite sure I talked about those fires in here before too :)

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@JAD but bonfire isn't fireworks

@Tinkeringbell oh, didn't find

JAD

@ShadowTheBurningWizard hmm, but the two can't be seen separated. There will be fireworks near those bonfires. That's an absolute given.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheBurningWizard chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8127343#8127343 Around there

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@JAD meh... so raise the tax of fireworks, a lot, so people will think twice before buying them.

JAD

8:07 AM

you'd think that, but if you see what ridiculous amounts people spend on them, I doubt that'd do much

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Tinkeringbell oh, wasn't around

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheBurningWizard Not my fault! Where were you? :P

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Tinkeringbell December 18th morning... hmm... might have been working! :D

Tinkeringbell

I guess I should've been too :P

Oh well ;) Vacation now!

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Good for you! :D

Tinkeringbell

8:22 AM

I need it :)

JAD

8:33 AM

@Tinkeringbell :(

4 more days to work this year :/

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JAD Me too

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ Me not

πάντα ῥεῖ

But only 2

Shadow The Burning Wizard

8:48 AM

-3

Well we're now in a holiday without holiday in Israel

It's a Jewish holiday, but most people still work as usual.

@Mithical you work during חנוכה? ;)

Mithical

I work at a tourist attraction. Take a guess.

JAD

We basically have 25% of our revenue between xmas and new years, so yeah...

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Mithical oh.... so you work harder than ever.

@JAD what/where you work at?

Amazon?

JAD

@ShadowTheBurningWizard We compare, advise about and sell insurances. Health insurance is one of our big products and here you can only switch health insurance at the end of the year. And everybody waits with doing so until after x-mas

Fermi paradox

9:28 AM

An answer to a question contains the following phrase: "the question posed here almost comes off as a troll". Should I edit this out? Ask the poster to remove it or rephrase it to something less accusatory? Or flag for mod attention?

Tinkeringbell

Pick whatever you're comfortable with in this case.

You listed them in the right order though ;-)

Fermi paradox

Ok, thanks. I ll edit it out.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

10:07 AM

@JAD oh. Weird, in a way.

JAD

10:30 AM

@ShadowTheBurningWizard it's one of those things that makes sense within the context of one country's laws, but not so much outside

djsmiley2k - CoW

10:50 AM

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd work is dead.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

11:10 AM

@JAD exactly. Here we can switch any time, think with few months rate limit.

@djsmiley2k-CoW hooray! Endless vacation for you!!11!!!!1!! :D

Anyway..... now that Monica crisis is finally over, will everyone go back to their original names?

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Journeyman Geek

If anyone can't and needs a hand, I'd be happy to, assuming you don't mind me setting your username network wide.

Rob

They are handing out brown logs already, Christmas came early.

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@Rob UTC?

Rob

-25

Shadow The Burning Wizard

11:32 AM

@JourneymanGeek not a hand, a paw

Can you actually set the name, or only reset it?

(and avatar too?)

Mithical

Can set the name to anything they want

My hands are so frickin' cold, I can barely type.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Mithical gloves

And cream to keep them moist and not super dry

JAD

@ShadowTheBurningWizard yeah, it's something to do with basic health insurance being a mandatory private insurance where the government decides what is and what is not covered, but where insurance companies decide their rates. To keep things equal for everybody, a policy has a standard duration of 1 year, and prices can only be changed at the end of the year. So you end up with a system where the only moment you can switch is before the 31st of December.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@JAD here it's very much alike, except people can move any time.

Rates are all the same anyway.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

12:02 PM

...

huh? So why two same reports? @Mith any idea?

Mithical

*shrugs*

Shadow The Burning Wizard

nods

drinking coffee

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheBurningWizard basically I can set anything you can

resetting is pointless. I'll set it to what you want, copy pasted exactly ;p

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@JourneymanGeek change them all to..... wait for it..... Shadow Not Wizard!

PM 2Ring

@Mithical This might warm you up a little: "Wintertime makes me think of Jimmy Jean"...

Shadow The Burning Wizard

12:12 PM

(to make sure nobody knows it's me behind the change ;))

Journeyman Geek

To whatever is requested, exactly as requested :D

PM 2Ring

Ellen Mcilwaine - Jimmy Jean - 1973

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Rob

12:27 PM

@ShadowTheBurningWizard Only one is active, click on the [MS]'s to see two manual reporters.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Rob so it's a bug, it should give "already reported" for the second reporter, not let another report on same post be created...

Rob

Almost simultaneous. Peek at HQ, where they were reported.

You can file on GitHub.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

meh

Rob

♒((⇀‸↼))♒

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Tired?

John Dvorak

12:40 PM

Do you know why bicycles cannot stand up on their own?

They are two-tired.

JAD

because two and too sound the same?

Mithical

'cause kickstands are dangerous so I take them off

JAD

you know what's dangerous? Falling bikes

:P

Mithical

Not if you know what you're doing. ;)

Journeyman Geek

12:57 PM

@Mithical 0_0

Dangerous?

Mithical

@JourneymanGeek Well, yes. They can get stuck in your spokes.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

JAD

uuuuuuh

something has to be seriously wrong for that to happen though

Rob

Different for a motorcycle.

Erik A

I didn't know we had self-driving motorcycles already!

JAD

1:02 PM

we do! for some definitions of self, and driving

... and motorcycle

Journeyman Geek

@JAD IIRC @Mithical does bike off road

John Dvorak

PID controller, overhead wires, or just a lucky take?

Journeyman Geek

or just enough speed.

John Dvorak

I'd still think it's an unstable configuration

Journeyman Geek

Only need s to do 1 round :D

John Dvorak

1:08 PM

Lucky take theory then?

Journeyman Geek

or lots of takes

John Dvorak

that's what I mean

JAD

bikes are pretty stable due to the angle of the steering wheel

Rob

1:23 PM

Original clip:

BMW Motorrad Riding Assistant at CES

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Here it is on a closed track, self driving:

ConnectedRide: Safety is everyone's business.

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Could someone report this to smokey please

John Dvorak

So a PID controller. Neat.

πάντα ῥεῖ

> german.stackexchange.com/questions/55793/…

Rob

BTW: A few different companies make them.

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Rob not enough dogs

thedailybeast.com/…

Rob

1:27 PM

Look at that dog, pretty shifty!

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ what about it? Random SE question time?

Here is my random question! monero.stackexchange.com/questions/7875/… :P

Rob

That's a great emoji:

H_s(a || i)

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Not an emoji

Rob

Science

Shadow The Burning Wizard

Looks more like English riddle or "complete the word"

Rob

1:34 PM

Scored the rare Taxonomist badge, difficult to get on Meta.

JAD

looks like I need to make a reminder to be the first to make the tag next year

Shadow The Burning Wizard

@Rob hooray!

Rob

＼(^ 0 ^)／

Tinkeringbell

@Rob Nice, congratulations!

Rob

1:53 PM

Simultaneously put me Top Ten, once it updates and says I have 14, and I haven't been trying that hard.

Thanks, both.

Rob

2:25 PM

Extraordinary Toroidal Vortices

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Mithical

2:44 PM

*watching the comment stream* Wow, people are vindictive jerks.

Tinkeringbell

Thanks. It helps to know I'm not the only one thinking it :)

Rob

3:58 PM

Golf Tips : What Is a Mulligan in the Game of Golf?

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Mithical

4:32 PM

→ 17 messages moved to Chimney

djsmiley2k - CoW

5:04 PM

Merry Christmas to all who await it.

Happy Wednesday to everyone else :D

Tinkeringbell

Both of those for you too :)

curious

@Mithical i tried doing that from mobile earlier but figured it was a bad idea :)

Happy holidays and all that jazz :)

Mithrandir24601

@ShadowTheBurningWizard How would I know? :P

Fermi paradox

5:45 PM

@Tinkeringbell Could I have a short clarification please? There were 3 people involved. Which two are suggested to take a break?

Tinkeringbell

@Fermiparadox You and the OP of that post.

Just leave them alone from now on.

Fermi paradox

What do you mean by that? Do you mean I should not comment under their posts? Or answer their questions?

Tinkeringbell

At least for a reasonable while, that seems sensible, yes.

And if you do see anything that's not okay, just flag it.

Fermi paradox

Ok. I'll refrain from posting answers and comments under his content. For what it's worth i didn't search for that user's content, I just read the answer and commented (without a hint of sarcasm or ill intent). I don't even remember what I've discussed with them in the past tbh. Anyway.

Tinkeringbell

I can see that you both had at least two unpleasant comment exchanges in the last few days. So yeah, a bit of disengagement won't hurt here.

Fermi paradox

5:59 PM

I agree, no problem with that. Btw, i just checked what happened in the post and now I understand the situation.

Rob

No Mulligans, in Tournament play.

djsmiley2k in darkness

6:11 PM

.... BoI ?

Tinkeringbell

6:31 PM

@user170039 I saw your comment and deleted it too. If it helps: There's currently 127 deleted comments on that post. It can be summarized as either personal attacks at Sara, or meta-ing in comments: Comments about deleted comments, about edited comments, discussions about whether people should vote down or not (kinda my fault, I started that), comments about the post score, and comment threads about whether the MSE community is nice or not.

All these threads add up to a huge amount of comments in no time, but commenting about deleted comments does add up too and drown out other comments, l…

M.A.R.

8:33 PM

@ShadowTheBurningWizard Oh please this

Heh

Next Skeptics HNQ: Did Thunberg's sneeze cause some global warming?

If the opposition merely considers her a spoiled brat and a troll, then this only feeds the troll

Which I kinda agree with, maybe as much as I prefer if I didn't live in a hot Jacuzzi

djsmiley2k in darkness

wrapping time D:

M.A.R.

Merry Christmas everyone, BTW!

Hope 2029 doesn't end in such a shitty manner, if we were around to remind ourselves of these dark times.

Don't tell nobody but I gave a 10-year-old this ring to go throw in a volcano

#Parenting_Skills_FTW #They_See_Me_Rollin

Tinkeringbell

8:50 PM

@M.A.R. You don't have kids. So it's not a parenting skill ;)

Happy Christmas for those that do celebrate it :)

M.A.R.

@Tinkeringbell ~~Target~~ practice

curious

@Tinkeringbell Finally ending a decade of poorly kerned years. Cheers! :P

Tinkeringbell

@curious XD and 2020 is going to be better? :p

I bet people will mess that up too ;)

@M.A.R. Ah. Yeah, that makes perfect!

curious

9:05 PM

@Tinkeringbell not nearly as bad because there's no 1 in it :D

djsmiley2k in darkness

2021

:D

See you in two years

Tinkeringbell

@djsmiley2kindarkness Nooo! Don't leave us!!

djsmiley2k in darkness

9:22 PM

t

:D

k.

curious

@djsmiley2kindarkness :P

djsmiley2k in darkness

wrapping last pressie now \o/

Tinkeringbell

Wrapping presents is usually fun :)

curious

Tell me about it as I try to keep my eldest from scotch taping the baby into a mummy :)

Tinkeringbell

See. Fun!

You should honestly let them :P

curious

9:43 PM

x)

V2Blast

A happy belated Festivus to everyone

djsmiley2k in darkness

@Tinkeringbell nope

just immence feelings of guilt and inadquacy.

Tinkeringbell

@djsmiley2kindarkness Oh. That doesn't sound fun no.. are you afraid the presents aren't good enough?

djsmiley2k in darkness

always

Tinkeringbell

And how are they always received? ;)

djsmiley2k in darkness

9:56 PM

lol yes well

Tinkeringbell

@V2Blast Festivus? Where's that from? And why belated?

djsmiley2k in darkness

a life long condition of anxiety and depression means, no matter how many times i'm proven wrong, the feeling never fades D:

i'm rather no presents at all

Tinkeringbell

But you do get presents too? Don't like those either?

djsmiley2k in darkness

half the time i don't feel anything about presents...

Tinkeringbell

@djsmiley2kindarkness Ah. Brains are weird like that sometimes. I'm sorry to hear. I've read exchanging presents for 'normal' people is mostly about the joy they get when giving...

So the not feeling anything might actually be more typical than you think

But if giving isn't fun either, this is hard.

djsmiley2k in darkness

10:00 PM

yeah I simply "Don't get it" and it's really stressful

I feel that I have to act pleased and happy

but reality is, i'd rather no one spent money on me

Remember Sheldon getting a present (for penny I think)

having to make sure he gets the right value, etc

Tinkeringbell

I think I do, yes ;)

Reciprocity is hard :)

@djsmiley2kindarkness Maybe it helps to think about it as not what you want, but what they want to do. Like I said, giving presents is mostly beneficial for the gifter ;) let them have that pleasure...

How does Sheldon say it? It's the social rule or something like that?

djsmiley2k in darkness

yeah, that's why I do it at all

but.... i get no enjoyment, that's all

Tinkeringbell

That sucks :(

Magisch

I have a deal with some of my family

we don't celebrate christmas, and nobody gives each other gifts

V2Blast

10:17 PM

@Tinkeringbell Originally from Seinfeld:

Festivus

Festivus is a secular holiday celebrated on December 23 as an alternative to the pressures and commercialism of the Christmas season. Originally created by author Daniel O'Keefe, Festivus entered popular culture after it was made the focus of the 1997 Seinfeld episode "The Strike", which O'Keefe's son, Dan O'Keefe, co-wrote. The non-commercial holiday's celebration, as depicted on Seinfeld, occurs on December 23 and includes a Festivus dinner, an unadorned aluminum Festivus pole, practices such as the "Airing of Grievances" and "Feats of Strength", and the labeling of easily explainable events...

Tinkeringbell

V2Blast

> The non-commercial holiday's celebration, as depicted on Seinfeld, occurs on December 23 and includes a Festivus dinner, an unadorned aluminum Festivus pole, practices such as the "Airing of Grievances" and "Feats of Strength", and the labeling of easily explainable events as "Festivus miracles".[3] The episode refers to it as "a Festivus for the rest of us".

Tinkeringbell

My deal: I peel all those and I don't have to cook tomorrow

djsmiley2k in darkness

10:33 PM

i'm sat here waiting for the wife

beause she's not sorted the 1001 things she should of done

Tinkeringbell

Sounds like my mom

Why do you think I'm peeling stuff at 11:30pm

djsmiley2k in darkness

lol

it's annoying

i've got sleep apnea so i need my sleep

tomorrow she'll be moaning at me for being tired

and i'm like.... i'm ready to go to bed at 9:30, I've sorted everything, lets go?

Tinkeringbell

10:52 PM

@djsmiley2kindarkness I'd have gone already ;)

@V2Blast Sounds fun!! At least more than skinning vegetables alive, then quartering them ;)

V2Blast

11:21 PM

@Tinkeringbell For the vegetables, definitely :P

Sonic the Reinstate Monica-hog

@Mari-LouA I was reading through the FAQ entry on suggested edits, and I found that the middle paragraph of the subsection "I'm not modifying the post body, but I'm still receiving an error about needing to change six characters. What gives?" is rather long and convoluted.

I took a stab at editing it to make it less convoluted, but it would be nice if you refined it further.

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