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12:04 AM

That grill is the sex. Living within an hour of central London UK and not being a millionaire I can only dream of one day residing in a house as big as the room housing it must be.

Also edit reviewers, thanks for approving my tag edit on [feature-request]. I'm real proud of that one :)

Sonic the Reinstate Monica-hog

12:27 AM

@Crowie That was a very nice edit; the previous version, quite simply, was rather ad-hoc.

I've made a few refinements to it, but good job; please continue making such edits in the future.

Sonic the Reinstate Monica-hog

12:43 AM

@Crowie The bug tag wiki could use a similar revamp

Rob

12:59 AM

@Crowie You are welcome, it's great to see people doing those (and doing a good job).

rene

7:12 AM

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Templating is hard. I got this gem in an order confirmation e-mail: Thuisbezorgd door $ds.getItem('supplierName')

Journeyman Geek

0_0

JAD

Thuisbezorgd at 8am? o.o :P

rene

I spend the whole day waving down any (wo)man with a van ...

Magisch

my boss would have my head if anything like that went out to a customer

rene

7:30 AM

@Magisch yeah. It is probably an architecture where content and code is separated and are not considered to be an integral part of the quality of the software. Hey marketlng! When this new release goes live, don't forget to make the needed changes to the templates

Magisch

@rene One thing the bosses here are very particular about and attentive to is how customers hear from us. Whatever goes out has to be as close to flawless as possible

even template changes go through a dedicated approvals and testing process. Basically anything that affects anything customers can see.

Journeyman Geek

/me chuckles.

@Magisch we got told off for saying we "fixed" the network cable when we "reattached" a network cable cause "Its not under us"

Magisch

7:45 AM

heh

Journeyman Geek

(we reconnect loose network cables to fix a specific issue with our software)

Magisch

why are there loose network cables to begin with

dont they have a clip to safely attach to a plug

Journeyman Geek

\o/

Users?

Glorfindel

8:12 AM

@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog depending on how you look at it, this is a bug or a feature-request. I never intended it to be a discussion (it may have derailed into one) so I'm curious why you applied that tag.

(Normally, I would've asked that as a comment under the question but you know why.)

Journeyman Geek

@Glorfindel practically that's kinda what it invites :/

I'd also argue the last 4 months were the terrible ones. It was going great before that

Magisch

2019 collectively has the title "everlasting trashfire in multiple acts" in my mind

it's a good year to get depression from reading the news, thats for sure

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch globally? I can't disagree

JAD

@JourneymanGeek good point. Personally it wasn't all that bad. If I ignore the crap that's outside my sphere of influence

Magisch

I mean, personally for me 2019 was a great year. I got promoted and a huge raise at work, my rent didn't increase, all that was positive. But I can't seperate my own situation from the world at large because it feels like it's coming apart at the seams

JAD

8:22 AM

I feel you, it's a big reason I have tuned down the amount of news I follow. It just doesn't make me happy

Magisch

You can really just obtain depression from reading too many news. It seems like your personal wellbeeing and mood is directly inversely proportional to how much news you consume

Gimby

Exactly why I don't read or watch news, it was bumming me out too much :)

Magisch

also feels like more then ever it seems like the KPI news media is going for is how much they can piss you off in ("generate engagement") in a given # of words

Gimby

Something important happens, I hear it from a colleague. I like my news filtered and pre-chewed.

rene

@Glorfindel with the status tag it has become super weird. I'll rollback that retag and wait for the "discussion" with sonic to see if it needs to be re-applied.

JAD

8:27 AM

@Magisch hmm, that plays a big part yeah. The public news outlet in the Netherlands has started doing that more and more too, so I stopped watching

Mithical

...can I get a downvote for science purposes please? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/339896/…

rene

@Mithical always!

Magisch

@Mithical got you one, reply when you want it reverted

rene

and not for science. What a post ...

Mithical

Interesting. Okay, thanks, got the info I need

Magisch

8:35 AM

and reverted

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Mithical you mean hat?

Mithical

It looks like it was just that one downvote on SFF that's not showing up in my achievements dropdown. I wouldn't have known about it if someone hadn't apologized for causing it, prompting me to check the post timeline.

@ShadowThePrincessWizard No.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Glorfindel well technically it's a feature request. You asked to change wording of something, to a different wording you think is better. Changing to discussion or support would also invalidate the status tag, so no idea why Sonic made that specific edit either.

@Mithical CW?

@Mithical so why? New downvote monitor?

Mithical

@ShadowThePrincessWizard *confused look*

Shadow The Princess Wizard

There was someone who said he can know for 100% certainty he can know who downvote him.

Using some tool he wrote.

Journeyman Geek

8:39 AM

Even we can't

Shadow The Princess Wizard

I know.

Of course, further details about that magical tool never arrived. ;)

Journeyman Geek

Unless you literally were watching and correlating rep changes across the site, in realtime

Mithical

*shrugs* This was just to see if the downvote would show up in my achievements dropdown, to see if it was a bug with the dropdown or what.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Mithical and?

Journeyman Geek

I would guess not

Mithical

8:41 AM

Those showed up; it was just the one on SFF that didn't.

Journeyman Geek

Else they would be posting a bug report :D

Mithical

...and now I got an upvote on the post and it's not showing +8, it's showing +10. I'm baffled.

Journeyman Geek

Other possibility is the apologised for a downvote they didn't actually do :D

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Mithical whistles innocently

@JourneymanGeek they did, there's -2 in @Mith profile there.

Mithical

@JourneymanGeek No, I looked at the timeline (that's the screenshot). There was a downvote.It showed -2 on my reputation tab. It's just not showing as a notification.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

8:43 AM

Looks like some bug.

Small, but a bug.

Hitodama

@ShadowThePrincessWizard depends on how much effort you want to spend, but the solution proposed by Journeyman is totally possible. I think I even mentioned that same idea at least three years ago, probably more

probably, it is not really doable on SO due to the quantity of data to process...

But I think you could actually do that on SharePoint if you wanted

JAD

does the API expose rep changes?

Magisch

I think there's an API page to fetch detailed rep history

rene

@JAD it does have an endpoint that gives you what is at /reputation, but you need to authenticate

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Hitodama go ahead then... ;)

JAD

8:49 AM

@rene does that mean you can only fetch it for yourself?

Magisch

yea

it also includes -1 from downvoting answers iirc

and system rep changes that aren't shown in the normal rep history

like recalcs and all that

JAD

It seems that you don't need the full history to see downvotes

oh no nevermind, it's a generic return type for both endpoints

Hitodama

@ShadowThePrincessWizard I think there are probably better uses of my time.

rene

@JAD remix this or if you trust me login at se-reputation-audit.glitch.me

JAD

is there a list somewhere that specifies what is a private rep event?

rene

8:54 AM

it is private ...

JAD

the list? :P

Magisch

@JAD Does the rep endpoint actually work for other users?

JAD

there are multiple: full history requires a token, others don't

which has me wondering what falls under the public endpoint

Magisch

cause iirc private rep events are system level events (that don't show up in the rep summary or notification box at all) and -1 from answer downvotes, as well as +1 from answer downvoted deletions or reversions

JAD

api.stackexchange.com/docs/reputation-history

Magisch

8:55 AM

can't think of any other rep events that would be private

Mithical

9:07 AM

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@Mithical brews a cup of Macchiato for @Mithical

Mithical

Falling asleep. *yawns*

JAD

9:35 AM

@Magisch It appears that downvotes as not private in the api

(unless it somehow logs me in automatically)

If someone wants to check: api.stackexchange.com/docs/…

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Hitodama like? ;)

@Mithical any easter eggs for the coffee too, e.g. way to force specific type?

JAD

@ShadowThePrincessWizard not that I know of

Magisch

@JAD I just tested for myself, the unauthenticated API definitely does not show downvotes you have cast and that have cost you one reputation point.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@JAD :(

user206222

I have a strong urge to train GPT-2 on MSE question titles.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

9:42 AM

GPT-2? I prefer R2D2.

:D

user206222

hyeh

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Also, any bot would become non-functional and/or suicidal if trained on MSE/MSO titles.

user206222

On it!

Shadow The Princess Wizard

lol

Poor bot...

JAD

@Magisch oh derp... Only now did I realise that they were -2 rep changes... nevermind

Shadow The Princess Wizard

9:44 AM

Why you call @Derpy? ;)

Magisch

@Aza that is cruel and unusual punishment for the bot. What has it done to earn this?

user206222

Gonna try this with all questions first, then positively-scored questions next. Sadly I can't do the L or XL models

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Going early for lunch today to avoid the noon rush of people. I hate standing in lines... :/

@Aza to be honest... the titles are fine, mostly. The contents... less so... so to speak. ;)

user206222

I can also do it on post bodies if you want ;)

Magisch

you could ask a CM for a dump of deleted comments in case you want to do trial by fire

user206222

9:50 AM

grab the nearest CM I need database access to MSE pronto

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Only one CM got direct DB access, I think.

Oh, maybe two.

Magisch

they have internal uncensored SEDE iirc

user206222

The access you're thinking of is write access iirc

user206222

> Could the new Stack Overflow interface be easier to use when looking for some technical information (e.g. how to write a blog)

Journeyman Geek

@Aza Might be worth talking to one of the bot projects

user206222

9:51 AM

I'm just doing this for like, an hour or two of fun, dw

user206222

If it sticks though... maybe

Journeyman Geek

Theoratically, the worst of mse/mso should be gone between dumps

Magisch

you could grab deleted comments en-masse from that. But i'm not sure thats a good idea since the quality seems to be a bit like youtube comments

which i'm pretty sure qualify as a weapon under the geneva convention

user206222

> How can I run JavaScript code in the Safari browser if I don't know JavaScript?

user206222

> Do you know what you're voting on?

user206222

9:54 AM

This is disappointing, I'm switching to downvoted-only

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek I would personally like a dump of deleted comments sometime. Not because I'm qualified to do fancy ML magic with it, but as a repository to make myself sad on demand

there's a certain fascination to the frayed edges of human interaction ;)

Martin

Are other people also getting: "No questions found. Perhaps you'd like to select a different tab?" here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions ? The link meta.stackexchange.com displays some posts. It seems to be the same on other sites in the network.

πάντα ῥεῖ

There seems to be an outage. Every page I am going to shows me 0 questions found.

user206222

If outage, partial outage as of right now; I am not getting that error

πάντα ῥεῖ

Seems to work again now.

Martin

9:58 AM

On sites which have different domain, not *.stackexchange,com, the front page does not work either: superuser.com and mathoverflow.net

Ok, so it seems to be back. Probably it wasn't down for long.

WhatsThePoint

is there a way i can search for one of my comments with specific text, i just got an announcer badge for posting a link to an answer which i have no recollection of, and is also in a technology im not familiar with

Mast

@WhatsThePoint Sure, use the data explorer.

Make sure you're using the correct user id.

Gimby

3

Q: No questions found. Site is down?

Getting sporadic "no questions found" when I try to click any tag. This happened just now, the site's been fine for hours. So it would appear that the site is down or misbehaving. Anyone else getting this or is it just me? (Meta works fine, not just SO)

WhatsThePoint

@Mast i just ran this query and it didnt return anything, is it possible someone changed their id in the link to mine?

select top 100 *
from Comments
where userid = 7147233
and text like '%rails%'

Mast

@WhatsThePoint A lot is possible, it's also possible you didn't drop the link in a comment but somewhere else (chat, e-mail, twitter, anywhere).

WhatsThePoint

10:09 AM

also tried changing the text to search for the post id too

Mast

I wouldn't read too much into it. I got an announcer badge for a question I'd never seen before. The system is broken, they tried to fix it, and it got differently broken this time.

user206222

Getting GPT-2 to work on meta posts is... a little trickier than I thought it would be. GPT-2 can normally mimic formatting pretty decently, but it's struggling with Markdown.

Mast

On the grand scale of things, shrug

WhatsThePoint

@Mast ive already searched chat, and i doubt id send someone the link to a post in ruby on rails which ive looked at for about 5 mins

Mast

@Aza Is this going to be a "don't parse HTML with regex" problem?

user206222

10:10 AM

I already did that, <.*?>, easy

user206222

(don't kill me)

Magisch

don't parse markdown lest markdown parses you back

also your above comment may have summoned forth the dread gods

user206222

Someone is going to pop in and try to explain to me why <.*?> is wrong, you just know it.

Journeyman Geek

Not me :D

Hitodama

mumble....

<([a-z]+) [^/]?>

nope, still not working (here)

user206222

10:13 AM

The only thing I really have to be worried about is if someone leaves a trailing < and another person later leaves a trailing >, but there are enough posts here that... it doesn't matter if I lose a few hundred of them to the regex gods

Journeyman Geek

@Aza sanitize your input? :D

user206222

> If it appears that we can't find any matching data for a matching question (such as to see if there is a previous search history), we remove that question as "dummy"

user206222

this is very honest

Mast

@Aza That works, for some values of works.

user206222

> At first, the system didn't even take anything. Only new members started asking questions, and asked by new members. Now, there is a whole site dedicated to providing history for new users, and giving them this data of old users. I am sure that some newbies would use this information to improve existing features.
> It should be possible to do this with all new users. There should also be something to show this history in the future, as the system should know the history of new users.
>
> So, what is to be decided in the case of no new members asking questions?

Journeyman Geek

10:15 AM

0_0

Hitodama

nope, SO only.

user206222

this is, shockingly cogent

Journeyman Geek

@Aza since I'm popping in and out randomly - that's ML made up right?

user206222

yeah

Journeyman Geek

Actually, blah, politics

Sounds like certain western political leaders if they were on meta :D

user206222

10:16 AM

I'm using the worse of the four iterations of this system, to be fair

user206222

;)

Magisch

yikes

user206222

LMAO

user206222

> On December 20, 2013, the US senate voted to support the bill, which allows the US to request an extension for a one-year delay on a ban on voting to close.
> As a result, the ban on voting to close is now extended for two years, from December 20, 2013, to June 30, 2015.
> This means that all US senators - including those who voted to close - will be able to vote to extend the ban on voting to close.

Magisch

lets all be glad the bot isn't self aware or it would be depressed

top shelf situational comedy tbh

Journeyman Geek

10:18 AM

@Magisch That might explain Marvin...

John Dvorak

In other words, clinical depression isn't a mental health issue. Clinical depression is an inevitable outcome of applying rational thought to the state of mankind.

user206222

> I know that if you don't have a knowledge of Java, you can't post a comment, but does a comment cast doubt on that fact?

Gimby

@Aza My brain just went SPLRT.

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak that's a depressing thought

John Dvorak

I depressed myself writing it

user206222

10:23 AM

> Where do I go to ask questions here?
> Is there any way to help me understand the technicalities?
> Why is there no offer button at the bottom of the page?
> There are no buttons at the bottom of the page, so I guess they are not properly formatted, and links are not to the top of the page. There are no buttons at the bottom of the page, so I guess that links are to the bottom of the page. There are no buttons at the bottom of the page, so I guess that there is no place to go to ask questions here.

user206222

this user is having trouble getting the page to load

Journeyman Geek

Ok

I have probably seen about half of those

Mithical

@Aza media1.giphy.com/media/3oEduMxnDCIc5Do2wE/giphy.gif (de-oneboxed)

user206222

That was downvoted question titles, which I think was a pretty boring proof of concept

user206222

(The good stuff is deleted and mixed with "how do I do [x] in html" questions anyway.)

John Dvorak

10:31 AM

Here's another one for ya: Strong anthropic principle guarantees you will exist in a universe that supports the existence of conscious observers, in a location that supports the existence of conscious observers. Strong anthropic principle guarantees exactly that and nothing more. Also. The population of Earth is growing exponentially. You are most likely an average person. In an exponentially growing population, the vast majority of people will be born in the last few generations.

user206222

The Doomsday Argument has some deep statistical flaws.

Magisch

daily yikes: a supplier off handedly admitted they use # lines of code commited as a key KPI for their devs

user206222

> Asking people to do work which shouldn't be performed by a third-party is like asking someone to write code which isn't being used on the internet. Someone should have taken that question and turned it into code.

Magisch

remind me to never trust their software again

user206222

Working on getting the bot to write good comments, now.

Hitodama

10:33 AM

protip: until MS drops the react nonsense and moves to Angular, trying to bruteforce Angular into SPFX project doesn't seem worth the effort

John Dvorak

In other words: Strong anthropic principle guarantees that you exist in a state that allows your existence. Strong anthropic principle is perfectly okay to let you suffer. Strong anthropic principle gives you a very high probability of seeing a massive die-off of your species that will never be recovered from.

user206222

This is... slightly less successful than I thought it would be. Like, it's working -- pretty damn well, at that. MSE is just... boring? It's just boring, it's writing MSE comments.

user206222

Ye olde average MSE comment.

user206222

Text-writing bots were better when they were terrible.

user206222

> The most important thing here is not that we remove irrelevant questions that are not in the "right place" on the network. The most important thing here is that we remove the most irrelevant questions that have very little ability to persuade new users to answer the right questions.

user206222

10:38 AM

like it's just writing cogent, reasonable comments, this SUCKS

Magisch

run it on 4 chan

and then step back from the machine as it combusts

user206222

consider: no

John Dvorak

And what about all the people who won't be able to join the community because they're terrible at making helpful and constructive co-- ... oh.

Magisch

@Aza 8chan then?

Journeyman Geek

That would count as cruel and unusual punishment

Magisch

10:39 AM

(don't kill me)

Journeyman Geek

@Aza MSE ought to be boring 🤣

user206222

> "You can't have it both ways" is not an acceptable answer. I have had several close votes on the question, but the question was closed because of a bad answer. I didn't take the original answer as a comment on the question itself, but simply as a comment on the question itself.

user206222

Like, I can't emphasize how readable these comments are, straight out of the box

Journeyman Geek

Oo

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek what exactly made you go "now that's too far" with respect to 8chan vs 4chan

I'm not sure there's much of a difference they're both maxing out the toxicity meter

user206222

10:41 AM

> Not sure if you've seen this before, but on September 5th, a user who was "banned" for posting "You have a smoking gun" on the previous day was not, in fact, banned for posting "you have a smoking gun" on the previous day. It was a moderator who banned for flagging that user.

user206222

ye olde moderator complaints

PM 2Ring

@JohnDvorak :D I was just about to link that.

user206222

> If you want to send some hate mail, you're allowed to do it. It's just not cool to do it.

Magisch

have you finally found the apex of spam

a bot that automatically makes constructive comments

user206222

setting prefix='Viagra' and seeing what comes out

Journeyman Geek

10:43 AM

@Magisch compared to MSE?

user206222

> Viagra: "It's not the drug itself, it's the interaction with the user that is problematic."

user206222

LMAO.

user206222

> Viagra is an excellent medical device, but it is a bit too expensive for a lot of people. I've read about this from several people. It's a bit too late to change it.

Journeyman Geek

cough if it is, the user might need to see a doctor

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek no it seemed like you were objecting to the bot parsing 8ch comments but not 4ch ones

Journeyman Geek

10:44 AM

I didn't even see the mention of 8 chan

John Dvorak

@Aza s/viagra/insulin/

user206222

> Viagra, erectile dysfunction, and sexual dysfunction. I tried this a few years ago, and I'm glad I did. I'll make a little note to my answers that I've done this.
>
> It's a joke. It's a joke!

user206222

(within the same comment)

Hitodama

Weird. I didn't notice I was in the Anime room.

PM 2Ring

@Aza Either your bot passes the Turing test, or most MSE comment writers don't pass the Turing test...

Shadow The Princess Wizard

10:46 AM

Is there a whole room for Viagra?! going to that room

:P

user206222

> Insulin::get_rate_limit() => 0

user206222

[snrt]

user206222

> If you have a high cholesterol or diabetes you should be eating a high carb diet and exercising. As a matter of fact, I've had a requirement to exercise to the point of exhaustion because I was tired of having to do it all the time.

user206222

Now it's just spitting out medical advice.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Boring

!!/medical advice

SmokeDetector

10:49 AM

@ShadowThePrincessWizard No such command 'medical'.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

boo hoo

user206222

> The new CoC does say: "Transcript and error messages are not required to be upvoted by users." +1, guys.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

?

user206222

this one, this one got me,

user206222

> I am a moderator, and I will, in all seriousness, be offended by any and all comments. If I am going to violate the rules, I will make it clear, and I will have the chance to explain myself.

Journeyman Geek

10:52 AM

Some days....

Crowie

Yes, there are some things to think about in [bug]. I can't promise anything. That one looks like more of a challenge as it doesn't have an obvious formatting flaw that the other did ie. all the content was there in [feature-request] but the readability could be easily transposed.

I'm sure my curiousity will get the better of me...

user206222

I give up, I think. I just wanted it to generate funny comments, but all of this is just, stuff like

user206222

> Elections are a great opportunity to see whether there are any effective barriers to entry to the community, and whether we can make it so that more people can get involved. The problem with that is that if you are going to be trying to help people, you need to make sure that you aren't a burden.

user206222

like, good comments. terrible.

Magisch

when you're trying to generate troll comments but fail, does that mean the troll has actually succeeded?

user206222

10:59 AM

I guess, but I'm the one being trolled :(

user206222

I know the answer: buy more graphics cards, try again with m o r e m e m o r y

Journeyman Geek

Lol

user206222

"I am a moderator, and I will, in all seriousness, be offended by any and all comments" still has me cracking up though

Shadow The Princess Wizard

11:15 AM

> You voted to close this question 10 mins ago

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowThePrincessWizard I did yes.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ I did too

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Good so son. Much appreciated. ;-)

As soon it's got closed, delete vote please.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Not enough please

πάντα ῥεῖ

Please

Shadow The Princess Wizard

11:22 AM

One more please, please

πάντα ῥεῖ

Please

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Good boy! Now I'll vote.

:P

Also, if I'm your son it means you became a dad while being less than 10 years old, which I don't think is technically possible. @πάνταῥεῖ (unless I'm mistaken about your age? ;))

πάντα ῥεῖ

> german.stackexchange.com/questions/55662/…

Shadow The Princess Wizard

> man who may be about 20 years old

I'm double

(and no, I'm not 2020)

:D

But think you can still adopt me? Is there age limit for adoption? :P

@JNat cross site spammer. Thanks! :)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowThePrincessWizard IIRC there's none.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

11:30 AM

:)

πάντα ῥεῖ

I believe there's none even in any directions of age. I.e. a younger person may adopt an older one.

PM 2Ring

@ShadowThePrincessWizard Adult adoption can be a lucrative thing. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Prinz_von_Anhalt

πάντα ῥεῖ

@PM2Ring It's often done for these reasons

Though for my personal case it won't be lucrative, unless a rich young person adopts me :D

Journeyman Geek

chewing noises

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek THX

Hitodama

11:45 AM

@ShadowThePrincessWizard and what about the poor ponies fallen in the sea about 10 months ago?

πάντα ῥεῖ

I will suggest a scope-change. Basically this is a wake-up call to the community to actually overcome the inertia, make up its mind and do something. I just now realized it. I will edit and vote for reopen. — Trilarion 46 mins ago

Massive Attack - Inertia Creeps

►

Hitodama

Jan 10 at 11:14, by Tinkeringbell

@Derpy Okay, so new thread for you: I saw this (Dutch) news video this morning. A while ago, a big shipping ship lost a few (270) containers of stuff, and they opened and now there's all sorts of stuff washing up on Dutch coasts. One of the things is MLP figurines. A real-life pony farm now has opened up what apparently is a 'My Little Pony Rescue Center' where people can turn in the ponies, they are cleaned up, and then people can 'adopt' them again :)