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Journeyman Geek

12:01 AM

@DeNovosupportsGoFundMonica uhm. I kinda have been dealing with this the last few weeks. Constantly

So I am pretty sure that a lot of these conversations have devolved to bickering.

If a conversation does no one no good and folks won't de escalate... They may need help to do so.

Journeyman Geek

12:33 AM

I'm pretty sure my troll meter is well calibrated

Rob

12:44 AM

I've noticed that people are having an exchange in one Q&A and then retaining their ill feelings or bad temper and posting innocuous but deleterious clairification requests or insightful comments in another Q&A.

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Until we get comment locks - if stuff gets too hot in comments, this is the one tool we have that works

De Novo supports GoFundMonica

1:14 AM

@JourneymanGeek please listen with an open mind. I'm trying to help you. I sincerely mean this with all respect, but a couple of weeks makes it quite new for you. This is why I've suggested getting some help.

Journeyman Geek

@DeNovosupportsGoFundMonica uhm. I have been dealing with this the last few weeks. I've been back as a mod a while

De Novo supports GoFundMonica

@JourneymanGeek I completely understand how it can be challenging, and I'm sure you and the other moderators are trying your best

Journeyman Geek

I don't think you really understand.

De Novo supports GoFundMonica

I mean neopronouns and nonnormative gender expression

Journeyman Geek

I have experience in such communities.

De Novo supports GoFundMonica

1:18 AM

I am non-binary, and while that doesn't make me an expert on how everyone expresses their gender identity, I can tell you moderators are clearly in need of some help from someone with expertise

Journeyman Geek

I also am very aware of when people go around in circles

ArtOfCode

@DeNovo ... you're talking to one of the most experienced, calm, and supportive moderators on the network. We're well aware that we're not experts, but going round and round saying "you need to get some help" ain't helping.

De Novo supports GoFundMonica

There are no circles here, just a sincere request

ArtOfCode

You may rest assured that every moderator will do the best they can with what information they have available. Beyond that, take it up with SE.

Journeyman Geek

So practically, until someone higher up the chain of command steps up, the buck, unfortunately stops with us.

I'd rather just lock the comments but this is just what I have

Rob

1:25 AM

I notice that moved to chat seems infrequently used on some sites, perhaps instead of deleting they could get a room and have the conversation moved to continue elsewhere instead of plugging away on someone's Q or A.

Journeyman Geek

@Rob if it looks useful or constructive I have been using it a lot

If it's not, it just moves problems to harder to moderate spaces

Rob

Harder?, I would have thought it would be easier (with the comment styled moderation tools, and the help from everyone handling any flags, alone with the cool-off chat kick that doesn't affect the main site). Really my only experience is that I've been handling chat flags for almost a year and only received three, so I assume that they are infrequent.

terdon - stop harming Monica

1:44 AM

@Rob They are far from infrequent. What kind of flags do you see? You don't seem to have 10k anywhere. Do you have 10k on main chat?

Journeyman Geek

@Rob yup. Harder. Chat is divorced from the main site. At least on the main site I will see the flags

terdon - stop harming Monica

There have been 99 chat flags in main chat in the past 27 days.

Rob

@terdon-stopharmingMonica I get the blue dot on the other chat - IE: Not here or SO, but 170+ other places.

This is what I look like on the other server:

Your's would say a couple of hundred K.

user58

2:06 AM

Ah, 4AM. Time to get up.

terdon - stop harming Monica

@Rob yeah, makes sense. I couldn't be bothered to try and track down your chat profile on main, but I saw you had various accounts with significant rep. I guess many of the flags I mentioned are mod-only, not 10k ones.

user58

You can check at /admin/recent-flags, it marks which are mod-only and which are regular.

terdon - stop harming Monica

52 non-mod and 46 mod in the past 27 days then.

Rob

OK, but I don't see any from here or SO's chat, just everywhere else - for example I have a measly 366 rep. on Math.SE but one of my flags was from the Math.SE Chat (against a well known person with over 300K rep.). I didn't think about there being two types, but it makes sense, with the mod message type being available.

@user58 That's 404 to me here and on another site where I get flags.

user58

2:24 AM

@Rob That'd be because it's a mod only page.

Rob

K

I do have a 'flag page' but it only lives for a limited time, if I go back it's empty the history is deleted.

Journeyman Geek

2:58 AM

So essentially as a mod, moving controversial topics to char dosen't work for me.