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David A

11:00 AM

The "western media/legal playbook" might mitigate some risk, but it's no expression of boldness or leadership.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. I mean, if this situation had been allowed to get back from the brink at any point before a case is filled...

M.A.R.

And you're not supposed to say "nope" UGH

mag

and surprisingly the press has more of an effect on IPO prices then disgruntled core members

M.A.R.

Goes director crazy

Shadow

@M.A.R. yup

Journeyman Geek

11:00 AM

@M.A.R. Imagine the register's cleverly alliterative title

Shadow

stealing @M.A.R's food

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

Ever since when has SE cared about the press? All I see online about SE is "how they keep closing my questions and downvoting me"

Ofc I know better

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek "This is why SO sucks"?

Journeyman Geek

@UnitatosaysReinstateMonica they spoke to the press....

M.A.R.

DOWNRATE

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

11:01 AM

I know

Journeyman Geek

So some people do ;p

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

@JourneymanGeek and thats what made it really infuriating

M.A.R.

@Shadow OK that's nice artistic liberties you took there! Keep going

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

Falsely accusing Monica

M.A.R.

Pat on the back

Meta Andrew T.

11:02 AM

random very unrelated question

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Q: Why Japan cannot "apologize" enough for World War 2?

Although Japan kept "apologizing" for World War 2 for over 70++ years, but the apologies were deemed not sincere enough by the victims. This stands in huge contrast with Germany, who also perpetuated crimes during World War 2, but has since apologized and moved on. Why is it that Japan cannot ...

Shadow

@M.A.R. careful, I'm eating!

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

Quite honestly, I'm a strong believer that any flowery words like "sorry", "please forgive me" and other bullshit is irelevant

David A

Guilt-Shame-Fear spectrum of cultures

In cultural anthropology, the distinction between a guilt society (or guilt culture), shame society (also shame culture or honor-shame culture), and a fear society (or culture of fear) has been used to categorize different cultures. The differences can apply to how behavior is governed with respect to government laws, business rules, or social etiquette. This classification has been applied especially to apollonian societies, sorting them according to the emotions they use to control individuals (especially children) and maintaining social order, swaying them into norm obedience and conformity...

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

A true apology is where you undo damage and compensate for it

perfectly

Shadow

@UnitatosaysReinstateMonica but they always are

M.A.R.

11:03 AM

> This question is too basic

Very inaccurate! Chemist objection!

Shadow

Same with the bad ads: in the beginning, SE staff would pop by after reporting some scam/porn ad on SE and say "sorry, we took it down, thanks for the report". But they stopped doing even that.

SPArchaeologist-様

@MetaAndrewT. there is also America, who sent a set of origami cranes as a "get better" gift to Japan after the Fukushima incident....

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

I turned on my ublock origin

Shadow

Because 1) they're not sorry, and 2) Those ads will keep appearing.

SPArchaeologist-様

Poor Sadako would have been really happy, I guess....

Shadow

11:05 AM

And 3) they don't want to lose more rep. ;)

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

how is SO community reacting to this?

since that is their cash cow

M.A.R.

Vigorously

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

if too many mods in SO withdraw participation

Shadow

Newbies aren't affected yet, I think.

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

it would take a big hit

ofc, newbs dont care about meta stuff

they only want their code

Shadow

11:06 AM

But bad comments now exist for longer time.

So it's kind of back to year ago.

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

ahh

I hope there are many more non mods with close vote perms also withdrawing

if the review queues get filled up

like roboreviewers

although for a few selfish "badge hunters" this would be a paradise

Meta Andrew T.

@SPArchaeologist-様 kawaii Sadako is kawaii, though...

Shadow

In Hawaii?

Shadow disconnected due to inactivity

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

oh hi

I was here the whole time

SPArchaeologist-様

@MetaAndrewT. Sadako Sasaki, not Sadako Yamamura

Shadow

11:19 AM

@UnitatosaysReinstateMonica stalker :D

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

😈

Shadow

Microwave beeping. Cya!

ArtOfCode

BEEBEEBEEBEEBEEEEEEP

Shadow

Nah. beeep. beeep. beeep.

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

Three beeps huh

My microwave does 4

slightly messes with my OCD

M.A.R.

11:26 AM

OMG OMG OMG what does it mean what does it mean

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

three is balanced

Shadow

@UnitatosaysReinstateMonica wait... maybe mine too. Will listen next time.... :D

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

the fourth beep is like "arfgggh whyyy"

Shadow

Anyway that's what it spewed out:

:P

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

is that rice?

Shadow

11:27 AM

Yup

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

ayy

M.A.R.

It's probably some sort of cake

They love cakes

Shadow

@M.A.R. Nope

Not this time... ;)

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

Oh but tbh wheat cakes are better than the "rice cakes"

M.A.R.

Who has rice with . . . whatever you're having rice with?

@UnitatosaysReinstateMonica Agree to disagree

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

11:28 AM

I once tried eating rice with those chocolate twisters

it was a weird feeling

But I do eat rice cakes with Nutella spread

Amazing

Shadow

Rice, chicken, and a Moses in the Cradle.

M.A.R.

I don't wanna know about that Moses guy (I hope he's fine) but OK, everyone loves rice with chicken

Shadow

:D

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

Same

In India, I eat rice with mutton, crab, shrimp, fish

in addition to chicken

:D

Shadow

But no cow, right?

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

11:31 AM

nope

my religion forbids me from eating beef

Shadow

hmm

Tinkeringbell

Now I want shrimps.

SPArchaeologist-様

... seems we are at 6k now.

M.A.R.

6k shrimps?

I wanna see a shrimpnado

Grilled shrimpnado. Thank you.

Unitato says Reinstate Monica

yup shrimps are yum

Although I did eat one at TGI Fridays when I used to live in USA

hated it

I think its about how I am not used to eating food that fully cooked

medium and rare doesnt sit with me

mag

11:36 AM

@SPArchaeologist-様 my 100 are still missing until I can coerce gofundme into taking my debit card

Tinkeringbell

@UnitatosaysReinstateMonica A shrimp?

Hmm. I don't know, we don't usually eat much shrimps as I still live at home and mom hates seafood :(

M.A.R.

But . . . Vitamin D (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Us here are said not to eat enough seafood so we're recommended vitamin D supplements.

mag

@JourneymanGeek or other mods: Have y'all been told any timeline for a follow up

or is nothing more known?

M.A.R.

Little tweak: Vit D here is 50000 UI, instead of the normal 1000 or 500 UI pills.

Journeyman Geek

@mag Nothing I can share.

M.A.R.

11:39 AM

Not even a kitten gif?

Shadow

Cryptic as ever...

mag

@JourneymanGeek even the followup plans are confidential now?

what is this

M.A.R.

Or maybe a gif of sunflowers dancing in the wind

@Shadow He has his sunglasses on. I can tell because I have my sunglasses on

this

Adverb: this (not comparable)

To the degree or extent indicated.
I need this much water.
Do we need this...

Journeyman Geek

@mag Basically I have no idea

M.A.R.

@mag this is not comparable to anything

Now if you ask "Honey, what's wrong?" then, it's a duplicate. -1

mag

11:42 AM

seems like my pessimism wasn't misplaced after all

M.A.R.

Realism

All of it is real at one dimension or another

Shadow

@mag because mods can't share private info?

Anything posted in TL is private and mods sign something that forbids them to share it.

M.A.R.

God I love how we can ruin other universes in our stories but suddenly say "oh OK, don't worry audience, it's another dimension! Haha"

mag

I didn't ask for any private info

just if something else was planned

no details

Shadow

> Have y'all been told any timeline for a follow up

Suppose SE staff said something about it in TL. It's private.

mag

11:44 AM

but is the existance of it private or just the content

Shadow

hmm

Deep question.

That's for the mod to judge, and I count on @Journeyman to make the right decision. :)

JAD

let's not play 20 questions around private info

mag

fair enough

it just seems like the thing we get to do now is wait for a lawsuit to shake out and nothing else

ArtOfCode

@Shadow no we don't

Shadow

@JAD we can guess the color of my shirt instead. :P

Journeyman Geek

11:46 AM

@mag @Shadow I suggest relying on the cheerfulness canary

SPArchaeologist-様

@Shadow not to play devil advocate, but if it was something private discussed only in TL, then Journey shouldn't know anymore.

Journeyman Geek

If there's good news I can share, I bloody well will share it

ArtOfCode

we just have a gentlemens' agreement that we don't share stuff

JAD

@Shadow sparkly purple

Journeyman Geek

@SPArchaeologist-様 I'm still a mod

ArtOfCode

11:46 AM

(gentlefolks' agreement?)

M.A.R.

@SPArchaeologist-様 still an SU mod

SPArchaeologist-様

@JourneymanGeek you resigned only on one site?

M.A.R.

You know, that site that sits there and no one talks about but everyone uses

Shadow

@SPArchaeologist-様 MSE got the biggest hit

JAD

@SPArchaeologist-様 AFAIK, the resignation on MSE was mostly unrelated to this drama

M.A.R.

11:47 AM

Yes and no

Shadow

@M.A.R. Sports.SE?

Journeyman Geek

@JAD Indirectly

M.A.R.

But it's Journey's story to share

SPArchaeologist-様

@JAD maybe, but I did understand he resigned on every site, not just MSE

JAD

@Shadow 3D printing

M.A.R.

11:47 AM

It ends with someone in wheelchairs

Journeyman Geek

@SPArchaeologist-様 you understood incorrectly

M.A.R.

And has no punchline

JAD

@JourneymanGeek Sorry, I shouldn't talk for you

Shadow

@SPArchaeologist-様 where you got that impression?

SPArchaeologist-様

@Shadow oh, just assumed it.

Shadow

11:48 AM

@SPArchaeologist-様 sounds like me. ;)

I assume way too much. :(

M.A.R.

@Shadow when the whole world is on fire an untouched twig is left unnoticed

JAD

SU is hardly a twig lol

M.A.R.

Journey is a twig . . . fetcher

I just got an email from Canon in German. Is that good

@Canon no hard feelings dude/person, I wasn't using the account anyway

Shadow

I even assumed @mag was from India at some point, I think. lol

Nov 7 '18 at 15:01, by Shadow Wizard

@Magisch this reminds me, another reason I originally thought you're from India is your messages about low salary; I assumed in Europe programmers always earn tons of money, and know for sure that in India the salaries are usually low, so I made 1+1. :)

:D

Journeyman Geek

@SPArchaeologist-様 I expected this to blow over in a few days

and figured I'd take a break through the worst of it

M.A.R.

11:53 AM

@Shadow See, you should have put two and two together instead

mag

@JourneymanGeek the next one will be even longer

and the one after that even longer

Journeyman Geek

Well if the underlying issues are not fixed, sure

mag

there has been no indication they will be or that they even consider them issues, and plenty of indication to the contrary

benefit of the doubt only works if you don't remove all doubt

user351483

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@Snow brews a cup of Cappuccino for @Snow

mag

11:57 AM

!!/tea

SmokeDetector

@mag brews a cup of jasmine tea for @mag

user351483

Smokey is still selfish then.

user351483

!!/tea mag

SmokeDetector

@Snow brews a cup of mint tea for @mag

mag

mint tea! my favorite. Thanks @Snow

Shadow

11:59 AM

@M.A.R. 5

user351483

!!/ToastedBagel

SmokeDetector

@Snow No such command 'toastedbagel'.

M.A.R.

@Shadow typical layman response

George Stocker

Monica's GoFundMe reached its goal in less than 24 hours. gofundme.com/f/stop-stack-overflow-from-defaming-its-users

mag

It's still open though

George Stocker

12:01 PM

The funny thing about this is that Stack Overflow had lots of chances to walk-back what it did before it got to this point; but as I understand it, their general counsel left a while back, and are relying on (not sure who) for legal advice. (I'm not sure they have a lawyer on staff, though I hope they do).

9

mag

That's not really a funny thing, but yes. Monica gave them every opportunity to walk away from their decision and save face

George Stocker

But, whomever they're relying on for legal advice has probably advised them that they should just not engage at all. I have no firm knowledge of this, only their actions -- which seem to suggest their strategy is to be quiet and hope it blows over.

Journeyman Geek

@GeorgeStocker wait what?

George Stocker

@JourneymanGeek As I understand it, their general counsel left around 9 months ago? Maybe a little less?

Journeyman Geek

Yup. Totally unaware of that

mag

12:03 PM

@GeorgeStocker My best interpretation of their actions is a educated bet. They don't think they did anything wrong and don't think Monica can summon the funds to fight a full blown non-sure defamation case.

George Stocker

I try my best to follow what's going on. My information could be wrong, but that's what I remember hearing.

M.A.R.

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Q: New Post Notices rollout on Stack Overflow

As has been previously announced, we have been working for some time on a full refresh for post notices. I am happy to announce that all initial development work and testing has been completed, and that the new notices are now live on Stack Overflow. During our initial launch period these will ...

discussion post-notices announcements

George Stocker

@mag well, at least in the US it doesn't look good for a defamation suit prevailing; but that's where the lawyers are the best people to talk to.

mag

@GeorgeStocker I honestly have no idea but I find it quite saddening we're at the point where "not defamation by the letter of the law" seems a defensible course of action for SE

George Stocker

@mag I mean, when you start talking legalities, thats' what you're asking for.

whether we want that to be the case or not

mag

12:06 PM

sure

JAD

> What is the average air speed of an unladen swallow?
What do you mean? An African or a European Swallow?

European, of course
Approximately 24 - 25 miles per hour

cute

George Stocker

So they do have an airspeed? That's good to know. I thought it was like a quantum experiment -- by the time you knew which one they were talking about the question was over and you'd never need to tknow the answer.

JAD

I first saw this problem on the Google Labs Aptitude Test. A professor and I filled a blackboard without getting anywhere. Have fun.

George Stocker

In other news (somewhat related) a Judge has reinstated part of the Covington defamation suit -- not because of the opinion based things said about the student, but about a factual matter -- whether or not the student was 'blocked' from leaving.

washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/…

SPArchaeologist-様

@GeorgeStocker I think that the problem there isn't the suit, it is the eventuality of Twitter picking up that "a Stack Exchange user had to sue SE for defamation".

George Stocker

12:10 PM

@SPArchaeologist-様 No doubt. It seems like (according to how I'm seeing things transpire); that SE Inc is less worried about the optics of not resolving the issue than they are the legal quandries of trying to resolve it.

3

Which is a problem a general counsel would help with.

mag

@SPArchaeologist-様 you can spin that in an entirely different way if you want to, though

George Stocker

IF they really wanted to resolve it, everyone present (including Monica's detractors) has given them clear guidance on how to fix things.

SPArchaeologist-様

@mag oh yep, quite sure of it... it is just one possible scenario. But if that happens and the story goes viral... Good luck, I guess.

mag

yet, crickets

Meta Andrew T.

@M.A.R. not in the test group :(

Shadow

12:14 PM

@MetaAndrewT. what test group? It's live on SO.

They don't announce in advance anymore, for looong time.

Meta Andrew T.

> During our initial launch period the new post notices (and all related changes) are being shown to 50% of users.

Shadow

@MetaAndrewT. oh. That's plain silly, IMO, sorry. So why announce it? Why mislead us? meh

Wait for the A/B test results, and announce properly.

Meta Andrew T.

I regret using closed:1 with 'active' sort too :D

Pandya

12:42 PM

How about automatically notifying new users a specific meta FAQ post to go through?

I mean a FR

Raedwald

@Shadow They recently started an unannounced A/B test on SO. That didn't go down too well.

Shadow

@Raedwald still, now it's not really a valid A/B test.

Either show it to all users, or wait with the announcement.

@Pandya How? Where? It's very tricky.

New users already see walls of links/text and pretty much ignore all of it.

Pandya

@Shadow First of all visit the similar FR which was status-completed.

Shadow

Nice.

Pandya

@Shadow What I am talking about is: When new user joins the community, we notify him to go through tour to get one badge called "inform", right?

so this is one step to give new user a change to get familiar with how SE works before s/he posts an answer.

The linked FR post works when a user tries to post an answer first time.

Now, my idea is to automatically notify or popup new user to visit How does a new user get started on Hinduism SE? when one joins the community @Shadow

John Dvorak

12:59 PM

@GeorgeStocker reminds me of when they were so afraid of the legal issues of upgrading a license version for everything retroactively that they just ... went with it anyways without batting an eye.

Shadow

@Pandya there's already auto notification when someone creates a new account:

Adding another one would be noisy, IMO.

@JohnDvorak without anyone to tell them, I'm pretty sure they simply had no idea it can lead to legal issues.

Raedwald

Various suggestions have been made to force new uses towards the Tour. The usual objection, IIRC, is that users who don't want to read it will just click through without reading: it will achieve nothing.

Pandya

@Shadow Right. How about notifying this on the next day? Haha

John Dvorak

If only somebody told them. If only.

Shadow

@JohnDvorak if only they would announce on meta before making changes, yeah. It could have saved them tons of time and money by now.

But no.... they change/break first, and only then tell, sometimes only in response to bug report. (e.g. "No bug, we changed it on purpose")

Pandya

1:06 PM

An idea just came in my mind: Until user reached to 500 reputation, there should be a space in user profile which gives random tips by linking help-center pages and meta FAQ customizable by mods :)

John Dvorak

Moving fast and breaking things is okay, but you have to fix them afterwards!

@Pandya as if that ever works :)

Pandya

Consider this as proposed welcome wagon !!

SPArchaeologist-様

@Shadow you (most certainly) still have a song to listen to.

John Dvorak

(also, people barely ever visit their user profiles)

Pandya

@JohnDvorak I feel most of new users don't bother to learn SE model. My idea is to suggest improvements in this area and attract users towards learning SE.

Mgetz

1:13 PM

@Pandya That would piss off so many people, particularly on meta.

Shadow

@SPArchaeologist-様 innocent whistle

SPArchaeologist-様

@Shadow I think that you would like it. Someone should show it to a certain company...

Shadow

Amazon?

SPArchaeologist-様

@Shadow watch the video

Shadow

You said listen to the song. Please decide.

:P

George Stocker

1:21 PM

@JohnDvorak It makes a whole lot more sense if you look at it through the lens of "We don't have a general counsel to bounce this off of."

mag

so adam fancoeur doesn't work there anymore?

Shadow

?

mag

adam was general counsel, no?

Shadow

No idea... how you know?

John Dvorak

Maybe they could use the community as a general counsel?

Shadow

1:23 PM

@JohnDvorak lol

Raedwald

@GeorgeStocker You don't need a lawyer on your staff to get legal advice, though.

Shadow

For them meta is just mob.

@mag that's weird. According to his LinkedIn, he still is.

mag

so they do have corporate counsel to bounce things off of

Shadow

But also self employed, so probably charge per case... and a lot. lol

status-too-much-money

So, possible reason for the silence:

SE: Hey [name of consultant], think we should do something here?
Consultant: Give me [amount of money here] and I'll get back with an answer in 6-8 days.

:D

John Dvorak

So, SE is too cheap/poor to afford a hourly counsel, doesn't have a full-time one for the same reason, and the community is a bunch of whiny folks whose legal opinion isn't worth the server space it's stored on?

Shadow

1:29 PM

@JohnDvorak you nailed it

Raedwald

You don't need a lawyer to get quasi legal advice. Much of what an HR department does is related to matters of employment law, for example.

Although it does seem to be a USAian view that once something is in anyway legalistic, only a lawyer can given you useable advice

mag

@Raedwald That is borne out of the fact that if you don't sufficiently disclaim the nature of legal advice, you can be sued and prosecuted for practicing law without a license

in essence, only lawyers are allowed to give legal advice. And if the advice is really bad, you can sue the lawyer for detrimental reliance

John Dvorak

Essentially a modern day guild

Raedwald

@mag I guess the US has a rather broad meaning of "give legal advice" that is not permitted.

mag

No, but they're a lot more litigation happy then for instance europeans, and everyone is avoiding to get sued by any means

to the point where clearly reprehensible policies are implemented to stave off lawsuits

Shadow

1:40 PM

Time for more coffee, it's free!

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@Shadow brews a cup of Affogato for @Shadow

Bart

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@Bart brews a cup of jQuery for @Bart

Bart

Noooooo

Raedwald

Javascript is not Java!

Bart

1:42 PM

Tastes like Starbucks.

Meta Andrew T.

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@MetaAndrewT. brews a cup of Espresso for @MetaAndrewT.

SPArchaeologist-様

@Shadow at this point I am fine with "read the lyrics"

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

2:25 PM

@Bart that's right, we make bucks like stars ;)

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@FélixGagnon-Grenier brews a cup of Espresso for @FélixGagnon-Grenier

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

right on point Smoke.

Tinkeringbell

Coffee!! :D

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@Tinkeringbell brews a cup of Macchiato for @Tinkeringbell

Tinkeringbell

Almost right :)

Bart

2:28 PM

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@Bart brews a cup of Cappuccino for @Bart

Bart

Yes, finally!

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

careful with all that coffee

Tinkeringbell

starts bouncing you were saying?

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

:P

I wish I had some strong alcohol to put in

mag

2:37 PM

parrots dont bounce, they fly

George Stocker

@mag they have someone who hasn’t updated the “i no longer work here” on their LinkedIn profile.

Bart

If you throw them hard enough they bounce

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

that escalated quickly

mag

@GeorgeStocker then you have more information then me

Tinkeringbell

@Bart EY!

Bart

2:39 PM

@Tinkeringbell you didn't want to come over here for a completely normal experiment in the LHC, so this is what I'd have to resort to.

Tinkeringbell

Actually... I'm kinda curious to see the inside of an LHC, but if I recall correctly, you were having more nefarious plans in mind than just a tour of the facilities... you messed up your own chances here by letting me know the evil plan...

(there must be a tv trope about that)

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

I thought angry birds had given everyone the opportunity to fully live their bird-throwing fantasies

George Stocker

@mag I’m basing that off of that I’ve done the same thing in the past — put together a new job without updating my linked in profile for the old one. It’s an easy mistake to make, and for people that don’t spend their life on LinkedIn, even easier to miss.

Journeyman Geek

2:59 PM

test

Interesting

Bart

Wait ... you do a test and Evan appears? How does that work?

Raedwald

test

rene

we had ...

Bart

Language Mr. Carroll ...

Raedwald

This is under control. Comparatively.

mag

3:01 PM

Coming in like this and with such language is not ok

Journeyman Geek

@Bart That wasn't what I was testing for >_>

Bart

@JourneymanGeek well, it's still your fault. Be careful the next time.

Tinkeringbell

He's back everyone :D

Raedwald

You spawned a monster!

Feeds

My Most Embarrassing Mistakes as a Programmer (so far)

Ellen Spertus on October 29, 2019

I agree with the saying: “If you’re not embarrassed by your old code then you aren’t progressing as a programmer.” I began programming recreationally more than 40 years ago and professionally more than 30 years ago, so I have made a lot of mistakes. As a computer science professor, I encourage students to learn from mistakes, whether their own, mine, or famous examples. I feel it’s time to shine a light on my own mistakes to keep myself humble and in the hope that someone can learn from them.

I had a high school English teacher who argued that Romeo and Juliet was not a tragedy, since the prota …

user351483

3:03 PM

@JourneymanGeek Seems like that test failed.

Journeyman Geek

Test had unexpected responses

@EvanCarroll Not the appropriate way to bring it up

If you have an issue with moderation, I must insist you bring it up the appropriate way.

And certainly not here.

user351483

And using the "Contact Us" form is the appropriate way here.

Journeyman Geek

Yup. And I am sure you know where that is by now.

user351483

... Since that bypasses moderators and goes right for the horse.

mag

nobody has a right to be unpleasant in this chatroom either

rene

3:06 PM

Hmmm .... leaves ....

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

damnit, I mist all the heat.

Raedwald

I've been linking to this FAQ a lot in the past few days: What recourse do I have if I believe a moderator has abused their privileges?. Essentially: to appeal, raise a flag. Complaining on MSE of Chat is not the recommended approach. And if you don't think they abused their privileges, well just accept the deletion/temporary suspension.

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user271002

waffle

user351483

@FélixGagnon-Grenier It was barely tepid.

Journeyman Geek

@mag Also - I got reinstated. Apparently through the new process

mag

3:07 PM

neat

user351483

@JourneymanGeek Ooooh. Shiney!

rene

@FélixGagnon-Grenier it didn't really ignite, sorry.

mag

I'm looking forward to once again throwing off topic posts ~~to the wolves~~ to the dogs

Journeyman Geek

The joke being I found out when I opened a new tab and saw the flag queue

user351483

@JourneymanGeek LOL. I got an email congratulating me on winning an election.

Raedwald

3:09 PM

@JourneymanGeek Does that make you the first?

rene

@JourneymanGeek You saw how much the Parrot and that other dog had been slacking?

Journeyman Geek

@rene eh, they're difficult decisions

@Raedwald I can neither confirm nor deny

rene

@JourneymanGeek select all, decline! No?

mag

now we know why rene isn't a mod...

Journeyman Geek

Oh, some of them have value

mag

3:10 PM

(it's actually because he refuses to run I'd totally vote for rene)

rene

@Snow maybe they re-ran the Opa-vote thing again and you came out as winner?

user351483

@rene I have no idea. I get the feeling that some things are somewhat manual (since they're not done that often).

Cerbrus

3:27 PM

No point in drawing extra attention to it

rene

→ 1 message moved to Trashcan

@Cerbrus fair enough

Cerbrus

Yay, flowery seal of approval

Bart

rene is no seal

user351483

arf! <clap clap> arf!

Shadow

3:56 PM

peeking inside Tavern

throwing popcorn away

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