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Tinkeringbell

1:00 PM

:( I always miss the good bargains :(

rene

so tempted to make inappropriate comments right now ....

Tinkeringbell

Bring 'em on. I grew up with two brothers, I doubt you'll shock me XD

SPArchaeologist-様

@Shadow interpolating info... making up details.... falsifying results

@Shadow Did @Pëkka stole some of the old SE branded bags from the swag vaults when he joined the rebel forces and now he is selling those on the black market?

Feeds

Research update: Coding on the Weekends

Julia Silge on October 28, 2019

Welcome to this month’s installment of Stack Overflow research updates! I code for work and for fun, on weekdays here at Stack Overflow as a data scientist and on the weekends as an open source maintainer. This is not uncommon. About 80% of respondents on our annual Developer Survey say they code as a hobby, and on my team, it turns out that every single one of us does a bit of coding for fun, whether that’s live coding on Twitch, connecting C# to R Markdown because you can, or learning game development from scratch. …

Shadow

@SPArchaeologist-様 indeed

@SPArchaeologist-様 why black? They're legit rebellion items. ;)

user1306322

1:28 PM

It needs several days until your question gets deleted due to inactivity, so that shouldn't be a great concern. A bounty for example would prevent that. And as far as I'm aware you can't find your own deleted question when they were deleted more than 30(??) days ago. You would need a mod for that. — Tom 30 mins ago

do questions get deleted due to inactivity on SO?

or did the commenter misread and/or mistyped

Shadow

@user1306322 sure, for years, maybe even from day 1. What about it?

It only happens when score is 0 or negative, plus several more conditions.

user1306322

what constitutes "inactivity"?

Bart

430

Q: How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?

What circumstances can cause a question or answer to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? How can a post be deleted? When can't I delete my own post? Can I still see my post even after it's deleted? Can I see a list of my deleted posts? How can I undelete one of my posts? What does de...

See the "by the system" section

Shadow

358

A: Enable automatic deletion of old, unanswered, zero-score questions after a year?

Abandoned, unanswered questions can be a nuisance for readers when they appear in search results. While every question deserves a chance to be answered, at some point the annoyance to those searching for a solution outweighs the increasingly small chance that an answer will be provided. For this...

user1306322

@Shadow seems like the case described here means the question would have to have a score of -1 or lower and no answers

Shadow

1:34 PM

@user1306322 score of 0 is enough for year old question.

user1306322

I thought the commenter meant that the question will get deleted at score 0 with one downvoted answer after 30 days, which got me worried for a minute

hmm... I remember asking a few questions that got deleted after a year like that, after I got the tumbleweed badges for them (back when I checked my notifications for tumbleweed badges)

hello

watup

the ceiling

ah, see, I specifically used "watup" as a colloquial greeting, which is distinct from "what's up" which can be confused for asking "can you please tell me what is above us" :p

Gwideon

1:42 PM

hahahaha

I'm fine

user1306322

good to know

mag

we have a colloquially similar phrase in germany which can be translated to "what goes" and usual punny answers abound

Gwideon

sounds interesting

user1306322

(something something refrigerator on low voltage)

I don't even know why "a running refrigerator" is supposed to be funny in English

Tinkeringbell

Because the idea of a refrigerator with tiny legs running away in panic is quite funny? :P

There's a similar thing in Dutch, a buffet can be referred to as a 'walking buffet' (meaning you have to walk to it and get your own food)... the standard reply to people having/giving one is usually 'that's going to be a tiring evening chasing food...'

mag

1:46 PM

usually the witty response to "what goes" is "everything with legs except tables and chairs"

user1306322

no, I mean, why refrigerator specifically

Tinkeringbell

Oh, probably for the same food reason? It's funny because it means you'll have to chase your food like some caveman :P

user1306322

aren't there any other household appliances which "run" as in "powered on and performing their main function?"

@Tinkeringbell oh that is... not something I would expect a modern human to think of

and I just remembered: a nose can be running

what's it running from?

or is it running for president?

Tinkeringbell

I really hope 'The Nose' will not start running for president.

Bart

He's in jail anyway.

Tinkeringbell

1:51 PM

Hopefully for a looong time!

user1306322

that'd only happen when the Rock whistles on a rock (multilingual joke, I understand if you don't)

somebody could ask about it on one of the language sites but it's not going to be a worthwhile endeavour, I promise :p

user58

Hmmm. Hopefully I didn't go too much into detail about the TL... I'm not entirely sure what the boundaries for what's confidential and what's not are anymore.

Journeyman Geek

I think generalities are fine

Shadow

plz-delete button @rene @Bart @Sonic

Bart

already voted

Meta Andrew T.

2:01 PM

The pizza discussion inside the TL is always interesting though...

Gwideon

i'm just wondering are things cooling down on meta

user1306322

I think so

Gwideon

good

user1306322

haven't seen as many hotheaded comments lately, people are just discussing things now

Shadow

@Gwideon expect heating up soon

Gwideon

2:03 PM

@Shadow Why?

Shadow

@Gwideon cellio.dreamwidth.org/2066742.html

Lawsuit?

Gwideon

Oh wow. Yeah SE could reasonably be sued for Libel

user1306322

@Shadow I don't think it will be something the public can discuss, like what is there to talk about for a long time and in detail?

and the legal process itself is usually a very slow thing, so it could take months or years

Gwideon

true

Shadow

@user1306322 that works for SE, yes. But people who are angry at SE will just be more angry.

user1306322

2:06 PM

angry comments are usually subject for removal as they are genuinely not useful and don't pursue a discussion

Meta Andrew T.

@Shadow then let them be? not our (or at least, my) business anyway

user1306322

as for angry discussion comments, again, I don't know what there is to discuss

like there's a lawsuit, ok, what about it? nobody knows, only lawyers

Gwideon

i'm just waiting for new mods to make up for the ones who resigned

mag

@Shadow probably gonna cost in the low six figures to fight, and chances of success are low

I wouldn't count on it

and even if it works, these cases take long. If it ends up going that way, expect a resolution in 4+ years, with legal team mandated absolutely no comment until then

user1306322

new mods will definitely appear at some point to replace the lost ones, and the decline in overall content quality will be gradual, but... I don't think most sites of the network will be affected as badly as the top 10 most popular ones

mag

2:09 PM

new elections will probably take well into next year to be scheduled so it'll leave quite a gap

user1306322

my prediction is 80% of the sites won't feel a thing after all this in terms of lack of moderation attention

Shadow

True.

user1306322

idk about the profits from the top sites like SO though, but I don't care about profits

mag

right now the primary effect that the mods who are left have more stress

JAD

@mag depressing

Gwideon

2:11 PM

yeah. I feel bad for the remaining mods

mag

this'll probably continue until the outrage has sufficiently died down to hold elections, say spring or early summer next year, and then it'll become a regular footnote in the network's history. this has been your daily dose of cynical mag the overtly cynical.

JAD

@mag I'd expect the first few elections to be dominated by this tbh

maybe not dominated

but affected

mag

sure, but I expect them to clamp down hard on any protest nominations of comments in that vein

another reason it'll be some months before any start

Stevoisiak

I'm a bit surprised the outrage has lasted a full month

user1306322

@JAD at least there will be prominent news articles alongside the initial badmouthing articles, which would have a potential to offset the damage to career prospects

SPArchaeologist-様

2:14 PM

@mag depends. If anyone with enough visibility notice that campaign, I do expect things to become very heated.

user1306322

@Stevoisiak grief from low rate of improvement of the site has lasted for years for many active users, so no wonder imo

Meta Andrew T.

@SPArchaeologist-様 Twitter makes it easy.

user1306322

we've been taught that being active helps solve problems, and now we're doing the only thing we know

mag

@SPArchaeologist-様 who knows

Stevoisiak

To clarify: I more so mean I don't know if I've seen an community outrage this continuous before

mag

2:15 PM

it might become heated in a very different direction

@Stevoisiak every subsequent outrage is a little (or lot) longer, more intense, and more caustic then the last...

user1306322

it also might coincide with the outrage culture of the present day

JAD

I think the licensing thing from september also helped boost it

like a multi-staged rocket

mag

tell you what though

JAD

add to that that there are multiple layers to this drama

mag

if monica makes a go fund me for suing SE over this, and it has to come to that, I'll personally put 100$ towards it

user1306322

2:17 PM

I kinda have to wonder if someone is playing 7D chess, actually intending for the things to improve, but they knew it had to get a lot worse before it could get significantly better

mag

if only to spite the idea that they think this'll just go away

terdon

@user1306322 I kinda have to wonder if someone is playing 7D chess period. If so, I would very much like to meet that someone!

Gwideon

I honestly don't care anymore. I just want the drama to end and people to stop getting hurt.

Meta Andrew T.

@Stevoisiak I remember the rainbow logo was quite intense.

(the coincidence is not intended)

user1306322

@Gwideon some people enjoy drama and getting hurt in a safe environment, like movie theaters :p

Gwideon

2:20 PM

@user1306322 problem is this isn't exactly a safe place emotionally for a lot of people

user1306322

have you seen Mary and the Witch's Flower?

Stevoisiak

@user1306322 I don't think so. The controversy was initially flamed by several spur-of-the-moment responses they thought would help.

Gwideon

no I haven't

Meta Andrew T.

no, haven't either

mag

I would say the whole situation is way too bungled to be 7d chess

or that would be some truly abstract 7d chess

Stevoisiak

2:21 PM

Now they realize that everything they say or do will be judged to hell and back

JAD

@mag or that's what the 8d chessplayer would want to make you think

terdon

@MetaAndrewT. Hardly! That was far less widespread, I don't think it even made it off of SO and it only lasted 24 hours anyway.

Stevoisiak

Compare the initial Apology/Register comments/FAQ to what came later

You can see a lot more preparation going into each response

mag

I can see a gofundme might raise several grand though

JAD

Don't forget the copy paste responses on the first few resignations

SPArchaeologist-様

2:22 PM

@user1306322 I kinda wonder if someone is playing 7d chess, but they were given the instruction for Monopoly instead.

mag

the people SE ticked off with this are largely software developers

Gwideon

I honestly hate the reaction that this has gotten. I hate how people have lashed out at anyone who disagrees. I honestly felt safer with the new CoC. I know alot of it has to do with monica's firing but some comments that i saw where honestly hurtful. I flagged them but um yeah.

user1306322

@SPArchaeologist-様 we definitely have players who have instructions for capitalism on the server...

SPArchaeologist-様

@mag I can see a gofundme picked up by some visible Twitter influencer.

Stevoisiak

@mag Even worse: They ticked off a community of software-developing wiki editors

Gwideon

2:24 PM

sorry i'll shut up

Cerbrus

Meanwhile, still no response on my GDPR request or email asking for clarification

mag

@Stevoisiak I meant that in a "people who are more likely then your average sample of the population to have excess income and are opinionated enough to spend it on that" way

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

mornins

Stevoisiak

@Cerbrus They've got a full month to do so

mag

@Cerbrus that's curious, I filed one and got the link via automatic email instantly

SPArchaeologist-様

2:25 PM

@Gwideon no need to shut up, I don't think anyone is angry at you or anything.

Stevoisiak

@mag It's possible there's an issue when requesting data with restrictions

mag

might be

Stevoisiak

I think people who just asked for only their data have been fine

Gwideon

@Cerbrus a lot of companies stall as long as possible to respond to stuff like that. one of the reasons youtube's copyright system is so frustrating

mag

they still have only a month unless they send you a timely justification for why it takes longer

Stevoisiak

2:26 PM

@Cerbrus Have you tried sending a second request only asking for your data with no extra restrictions?

Cerbrus

The least they could do is to email back saying, "sorry, there were some issues with the request, we're looking into it"

@Stevoisiak The first request was just that

Stevoisiak

@Cerbrus I imagine manpower is a little limited at SE right now

Cerbrus

@Gwideon Why would one stall a GDPR request?

mag

@Gwideon The knack in this whole situation is that whenever someone (say, a company like SE) kicks off positive changes with a flounder like firing monica, the two become inextricably linked in the discourse. And suddenly outside people who like to stir drama (like the lovely ... people on that 8chan board who are keenly observing this situation) have an in to blend pot stirring into the general discontent

user1306322

@Cerbrus why would anyone stall anything in the legal world to the maximum time frame allowed by law without penalty

Stevoisiak

2:28 PM

Even among the controversies, I still stand by "assume good intent"

user1306322

@Stevoisiak from whom

Gwideon

@Cerbrus not sure but companies tend to do it when they don't want to deal with something

Stevoisiak

@user1306322 Relating to the GDPR request

Cerbrus

@Gwideon There's no reason SE wouldn't want to get a GDPR request gone asap

It's a simple data dump

Stevoisiak

My best guess: The GDPR is normally a fully automatic system. However, something in Cerbus's account caused the system to error unexpectedly. Now they have to get someone to manually review it

Cerbrus

2:29 PM

One that is automated, looking at the response times other have gotten

@Stevoisiak Wrong account

Stevoisiak

@Cerbrus Thanks

Cerbrus

Maybe the fact that I have an account on basically all of the SE sites makes it a difficult one...

user1306322

@Stevoisiak (SE a few days later: uhh guys we don't know how it happened but apparently something in Gwideon's account caused this error?) lol

Gwideon

@mag yeah. It makes me sad that those two things got linked. if they had resolved the monica situation first i doubt the backlash would've been as bad. there were problems with the first FAQ but um I feel SE and the community would probably be less adversarial towards each other

Stevoisiak

Until the deadline gets closer, I'm still willing to assume good intent

Gwideon

2:31 PM

Lol

Stevoisiak

Heck, it's possible an error like this may have never happened before

Cerbrus

@Stevoisiak Oh, sure. I'm just getting more and more curious what could be causing the delay

Stevoisiak

@Cerbrus I mean, the delay is probably Meta SE being on fire

mag

It might be that simply nobody is available to process the erroring automatic system now

Gwideon

@Cerbrus I don't know much about big server stuff so I'm probably wrong. I would assume that it is an error or something. might submit another request soon

Cerbrus

2:32 PM

@Stevoisiak Well, that wouldn't explain the process failing in the first place.

user1306322

@Gwideon yea that's what people have been saying, and if only someone from management read meta and took it seriously...

mag

@cerb if need be you can still moan to the ICO office that'll probably kick it off

Cerbrus

@mag Well, if they don't respond within that month, I might as well. But they've still got plenty of time

Stevoisiak

@user1306322 I think at this point, they've been reading meta. The new FAQ is evident of that

SPArchaeologist-様

@Gwideon I am not even sure the two things started as separated in the first place. But that is just speculative thinking so I guess I will drop it there.

JAD

2:33 PM

@Stevoisiak a select few CMs who have always been reading meta were reading meta

Journeyman Geek

@JAD there's not many CMs

user1306322

@Stevoisiak we can still assume good faith but evident from the actual changes it might just be that they don't know what they're doing, even with all the best intentions at heart

Journeyman Geek

and most probably are at least a little aware on most days

Stevoisiak

If you look at the original timeline, most of the controversial responses happened over less than a week

mag

we definitely landed on 8chan with this situation by the way

Gwideon

2:35 PM

@user1306322 Yeah. It's part of the reason why I feel both SE and the community are both responsible for the hurt some people are feeling. The community for saying some really hurtful things and SE for sparking the whole situation

Journeyman Geek

erf

mag

someone asked me about it on discord

Cerbrus

Imagine being in charge here, going on vacation for a week, then coming back to this...

Gwideon

@SPArchaeologist-様 they may not have

JAD

@JourneymanGeek ok, all the CMs, who are a select few of the entire company*

Journeyman Geek

2:35 PM

@JAD close enough I guess

mag

@Cerbrus at risk of not really knowing what's going on, i'd probably be at least severely annoyed

Cerbrus

Aye, I'd be significantly displeased

JAD

I for one am surprised at the notion that such a big part of the company is unfamiliar with their own product, but apparently that's how it is

Stevoisiak

Oct 23 at 22:53, by Shog9

But no. It was meant to be like... An appendix. Supplementary material for discussions regarding the blog post.

user1306322

even so, if a decision making officer doesn't have the time to read everything, why not trust subordinates who do have the time to read everything, for a short summary, and act on it?

Stevoisiak

2:37 PM

This gives a lot of context behind the thought process IMO

There's multiple messages if you check the link on that comment

Cerbrus

@Stevoisiak Oh I'm sure they had the best intentions... The problem is just that they're so disconnected from the community, they couldn't even comprehend how it'd be received.

mag

@Cerbrus That is not an accident

Cerbrus

Oh would you look at that

My GDPR request came through

JAD

\o/

Gwideon

@Cerbrus SE for some reason believes they need to distance themselves from the community

mag

2:39 PM

The general sentiment (as george explained and elaborated in his resignation) is that no community is better then a bad one. And we are the bad one

Gwideon

thats good

Cerbrus

Someone's totally watching me here ;-)

Illuminati confirmed

Thanks, Illuminati :P

mag

It's probably at least in part seen to be an opportunity to excise undesirable elements from the community

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

hah^^

Gwideon

Bah bah bah bah baaaah baaaaaaaaaahhhh

Journeyman Geek

2:40 PM

@JAD Q&A wasn't the main product for a few years

Gwideon

sorry it's hard to make musical sounds in text

JAD

@JourneymanGeek depends slightly on the definition of product though. Does it bring in most of the money? No. Can it exist without it? Probably not either.

Bart

@Cerbrus as in all data? Or an explanation?

Journeyman Geek

@JAD well, there was little/no development on Q&A for a bit

SPArchaeologist-様

@Gwideon Sounds of Silence, mentioned that before. Even in the best case scenario, they have decided the best solution was a vow of silence.

Journeyman Geek

2:41 PM

and careers took most of the attention

Gwideon

@SPArchaeologist-様 that's not a very good strategy as not addressing anything will just make the community more annoyed.

rene

No. "The Bat Cave" — Snow 44 mins ago

misread as The Bart Cave

Shadow

@Gwideon ask Grace

Cerbrus

@Bart The actual data

user1306322

@Stevoisiak Before there was not enough nuance in the rules of conduct on the site. After... there's not enough? And if getting enough is too complicated, can we go back to simple?

rene

2:43 PM

@Shadow I'm sure that reference gets missed ....

Gwideon

okay

Stevoisiak

@user1306322 Imo, the new FAQ is good for me

Gwideon

i think the new FAQ is good

JAD

@JourneymanGeek I understand how that means that you don't get in touch with the entire product from day to day, but still...

Shadow

@rene who knows :)

Stevoisiak

2:46 PM

The Code of Conduct update itself is simple, only a 2 sentence change

user1306322

I didn't think any change around FAQ was warranted at all, I would have still trusted moderators to do their thing, just based on the discussions on meta.

Stevoisiak

The FAQ was the complex part

Journeyman Geek

@JAD there's apparently employees who don't know what Stack Exchange is? ._.

JAD

Bizarre in my mind, but ohwell

user1306322

@Stevoisiak so before it was Be and.

and the other line didn't have a proper sentence structure at all :p

that's weird diff screenshot

Stevoisiak

2:48 PM

@user1306322 Original text was "Be kind and friendly"

It says it above the image

Cerbrus

Looks like they don't have my physical address on file. That's good :-)

user1306322

then the diff image is incorrect

Stevoisiak

The diff only shows the +line, not the -line

Which, yes, is a bit strange

JAD

it's difficult

user1306322

one of the things I would like is for the team to set more transparent ETAs on bugs

I get that site icons is not particularly important but at least give me an estimate in years

Stevoisiak

2:52 PM

ETAs in software development is hard

user1306322

as a developer myself, I know that

SPArchaeologist-様

@Gwideon oh, I know... but so far it kinda "worked". See how we forgot all the previous incidents from the last year and half.

(notice: nope, I don't really approve this but... it is working for SE or so does it seems)

user1306322

I usually put a "lowest priority, PRs welcome" on such issues in my projects

but SE is closed source so yea no dice

SPArchaeologist-様

Problem is that every time the "anger bar" does not really reset. Every time it restarts a little higher than the previous one.

JAD

@SPArchaeologist-様 yep, and the issue at hand ends up as colleteral damage as a result of the bigger issues

user1306322

2:55 PM

there's also a stamina mechanic that comes into play at high anger values...

Meta Andrew T.

Heh, not different to my country.

user1306322

player reviews for this game are declining lol

but like in all MMOs with certain flawed mechanics, you can just avoid raids altogether and grind bushes for grass to craft pots...

Cereal

Oh my god lol. I've been trying to figure out what game you people were talking about

user1306322

the untitled goose game

wak

mag

46 mins ago, by mag

@Stevoisiak every subsequent outrage is a little (or lot) longer, more intense, and more caustic then the last...

Cerbrus

3:02 PM

@user1306322 *honk*

user1306322

sounds like "outrage" is a name for a boss attack

"caustic" is of course a type of poison stat

big Dark Souls vibes

Cerbrus

@user1306322 to be countered by...

user1306322

ye with a judge and cases like that no wonder attorneys have to break into private property and employ illegal tactics to inspect the entirety of the case

(yes, it is known that the game is a commentary on the state of Japan's broken legal system)

Tinkeringbell

@Cerbrus Those games are fun :)

Cerbrus

@user1306322 Oh I don't even really know the game

user1306322

3:06 PM

oh it's fun enough, you should check it out

Cerbrus

I'll add them to my backlog xD

user1306322

store.steampowered.com/app/787480/…

all 3 games remaster

holy hell the price!

some companies haven't heard about regional pricing at all, probably wondering what's with all the piracy

Cerbrus

Yea, I'm not gonna pay that...

mag

regional pricing might become illegal in europe, by the by

user1306322

winter sale is coming up, maybe it'll be down 90%

Tinkeringbell

3:09 PM

@user1306322 Me and my brothers had fun seeing how much they still dare ask for the Freddi Fish games.

user1306322

@mag then I expect prices to match to a regional average and not go dollar-for-euro in number coz that doesn't exactly match up in buying power

mag

@user1306322 iirc france's position on this is that if a game is 60$ in the US; it must be 60$ * {Dollars-to-Euro-conversion-Rate} in all of europe

user1306322

look at this insanity steamdb.info/app/921570

sit down with an accountant or something, look at the other game's pricing policy, it's your job!

SPArchaeologist-様

@user1306322 Japan? You mean that isn't Los Angeles?

Meta Andrew T.

@user1306322 my currency is the 2nd/3rd cheapest :D

3:12 PM

haha

uuuh?

but it's heck expensive compared to the minimum salary & living cost...

user1306322

@JAD all locations in the game are translated to be "in America" but all the art is still japanese backdrops and traditional furniture

SPArchaeologist-様

@user1306322 also, Yokai.

JAD

3:22 PM

lovely

SPArchaeologist-様

3:36 PM

@rene you are lucky. I misread "The Mod Squad" as "The Mop Squad"

Tinkeringbell

@SPArchaeologist-様 That's much the same squad anyways ;)

Bart

The place has been a lot like Viscera Cleanup Detail anyway

SPArchaeologist-様

@Tinkeringbell depends on how you read it. Use the mop or BE the mop?

Tinkeringbell

@SPArchaeologist-様 Probably both :)

user58

4:08 PM

Out of curiosity, is anyone here familiar with Puzzling.SE's game chat rooms?

Stevoisiak

@user1306322 The reason why Ace Attorney is set in America is pretty amusing.

> Because of the time zone difference trick in the first episode, there was a need to decide on where the game was going to take place. Thus, the localization team of PW:AA had already picked the direction of the localization for me -- total localization. - Source

user58

...more to the point, I'm trying to get a game of Contact going and it'd be nice to have some fresh blood ;)

SPArchaeologist-様

@user1306322 noticed that line only now. Just wondering, why you asked?

Rubiksmoose

4:23 PM

@user58 oh man, that looks fun. But the rules are a bit confusing to me at first read through. I need to read them again.

user58

@Rubiksmoose There's a game sorta happening now. If you watch it, it should make things relatively clear :)

Tinkeringbell

4:38 PM

I'll look tonight. I kinda suck at puzzles if they're not jigsaws though ;)

Rubiksmoose

@user58 Can one just jump in? Or is it best to wait until a new one starts?

user58

you can jump in

Rubiksmoose

attacking I would assume?

user58

yes; only one defender per game

Rubiksmoose

Excellent. I've understood at least that much.

user58

4:43 PM

:)

user58

5:38 PM

→ 4 messages moved to Trashcan

Let's... not get into this now, please.

→ 5 messages moved to Trashcan

Stevoisiak

@user58 Thank you

Kevin B

🚽

Stevoisiak

You're doing a great job

I really appreciate everything you guys have been doing

YetAnotherRandomUser

I thought this was the random room for meta. If it's not, instead of kicking me, how about you direct me to the correct room. The description didn't say one way or another what this room is about, so I figured it was the generic chat room for all discussions. Even if I was being rude (which I was not), kicking me out of a room and deleting what I say is objectively incredibly rude.

Rubiksmoose

General note: we talk about plenty of hot topics here. There's a good way to bring it up suich that it is likely to start healthy productive discussion. And there's bad ways which lead to flame wars, name-calling and other unkind and unwelcome behavior. Try your best to do the former.

5

Stevoisiak

5:43 PM

@YetAnotherRandomUser Calling out a specific user like that would not be acceptable in any room on SE

user58

This is the general MSE chat room. That doesn't mean that anything goes. Coming in here, posting a rude message, and then leveling accusations at a specific user is not acceptable.

Rubiksmoose

@YetAnotherRandomUser They are a room owner. It is their job to keep chat on-topic, friendly, and generally to avoid things blowing up as much as possible. Far from being rude, it is their job to remove things likely to run afoul of this room's guidelines.

mag

a kick is like a wikipedia trout

a small reminder to re-evaluate behavior

user58

A kick is a warning. Please treat it as such. You were also asked specifically not to bring this up now, after your first message was removed.

@Stevoisiak With the right background music (warning: potentially NSFW image, because why should it be possible to find a song without an objectifying image), anything is possible... ;)

Stevoisiak

@user58 The YouTube Music version has a SFW thumbnail music.youtube.com/watch?v=VxRibbAomKw

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