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Catija

9:00 PM

I know nothing ;)

Magisch

Maybe catija rustled the rusted mechanism that wasn't working

user206222

Ahahaha, appreciated :)

user206222

Thanks, all.

Catija

I'm assuming y'all don't have this:

M.A.R.

Dangit. I got lost in my drives finding my screenshot

9:01 PM

I got this instead

@Catija Yep we do

Need to be logged in to se.com and go to own profile page to see that link

Catija

@CalvT Ah... well, @Aza That's how you do it.

Oded

Syncs up from the oldest network profile.

Catija

9:02 PM

@Oded I get to choose. :D

user206222

@Catija Yeah, that's the one I was using. Odd. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

M.A.R.

@Oded Think you can pick now

user206222

i lost an arm, oops

Oded

Ah, that changed since my days :D

M.A.R.

@Aza \\

Markdown escapes one backslash

@Oded hey, nothing wrong with a retro gamer attitude ;)

Oded

9:04 PM

kids these days

M.A.R.

So, where was I. Right. @Gwideon the second thing is that unfortunately the terms "welcoming" and "fair" and such have become a bit infamous because many people with invalid arguments have resorted to using such terms accompanies with dismissive "this is why u suck" remarks.

Maybe I should add that to What Kills Meta, but not before Shog needs to increase the limit for meta.SE

Gwideon

that is sad.

M.A.R.

@Gwideon Inorite

Gwideon

why do people feel the need to attack others. I get criticism and stuff but being dismissive and attacking someone personally is just..... horrible

M.A.R.

Same goes for "freedom of speech". Thankfully, it's not as annoying because XKCD already gave us something to link to on that one.

Oded

9:07 PM

The whole affair is sad. And as far as I can see there were no personal attacks. That isn't what this is about.

Gwideon

well I'm less talking about the mods and more about the comments

M.A.R.

@Gwideon Hurt people hurt people.

@Oded Gwideon was being general, not about the recent drama

Oded

People (and other animals) lash out when in pain.

M.A.R.

@Oded My version is cooler.

Oded

:P

M.A.R.

9:09 PM

And a quote too.

From someone. I dunno. Einstein, can you take this one too

Gwideon

I think I should shut up

Oded

Seems to be a book

@Gwideon why?

M.A.R.

@Gwideon What?

Gwideon

I'm starting to ramble

M.A.R.

No, that position is officially taken by me

user206222

9:10 PM

I don't know if it's fair to reduce this incident to an animalistic instinct to lash out when injured. I've seen many deliberate efforts to inflame outrage; leading questions, hostility, aggressive language, etc. It's hard not to believe that those thought-leaders aren't driving the depth of hostility.

Oded

Ah, trolls be be trolls.

M.A.R.

@Aza That comment was not about the recent drama.

user206222

@M.A.R. Understood. Back to work with me.

M.A.R.

5 mins ago, by M.A.R.

So, where was I. Right. @Gwideon the second thing is that unfortunately the terms "welcoming" and "fair" and such have become a bit infamous because many people with invalid arguments have resorted to using such terms accompanies with dismissive "this is why u suck" remarks.

Oded

The popcorn has been consumed in copious amounts.

M.A.R.

9:10 PM

Biggest problem

But it's okay

My stance on popcorn is

in The Meta Room on Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 26 at 8:08, by M.A.R.

They probably intuitively understand that popcorn is just fried wood in oil.

user206222

Oh, no, actually I think my remark still applies. Those efforts are what have made "welcoming" and "fair" into cheap words in a public eye.

user206222

People are deliberately seeking to undermine, not build. Terms like "welcoming," "fairness," "unity" etc. are victims of those efforts.

M.A.R.

@Aza That quote is a general remark. I've actually seen it more often used for deliberate outrages.

user206222

Agreed.

M.A.R.

Doesn't need much analyzing. It was just a philosophical pause. Looks at all the dangling cameras

Aaaaand cut.

I just realized. Sneezing is God's "cut". Out hearts stops for a fraction of a second when sneezing.

I dunno why that's necessary but it's a cool fact. Which I never fact-checked. That's very me of me.

winchesterhospital.org/health-library/article?id=157001

That's a very nice existential skeleton crisis image. Which definitely has to do with sneezing.

peterh

9:17 PM

I think this gender pronoun policy is unenforcable.

Gwideon

Same

Sklivvz

of course it is unforceable

Princess Olivia

It's not unenforcable

peterh

I also feel a French Revolution in it

Princess Olivia

It's unrealistic and extremely hard to enforce every single case, but it's technically possible

M.A.R.

9:18 PM

@PrincessOlivia Yeah. Unenforceable.

Sklivvz

put it this way: if a company wants to help the community be less transphobic they can add tools and teach the community be better

M.A.R.

> If You Do Keep Your Eyes Open During a Sneeze, They Will Pop Out of Your Head

Princess Olivia

It's also way too strict, so there'd be a lot of cases

M.A.R.

Lol

Sklivvz

if the community wants to pay lip-service and do nothing, it writes it in the CoC

Princess Olivia

9:19 PM

@M.A.R. no, that would imply it can't be enforced at all.

peterh

@Sklivvz 1) Actually, no one can make obligatory to talk to something with what you want to. 2) De facto it was already so even until now, the only difference is that it is written. 3) There was also a "new CoC", not even this was really enforced

Gwideon

Also while I prefer they I’m actually not to strict on pronouns just to um let people know.

M.A.R.

@PrincessOlivia You could also gather enough people to force every single person in a continent to vaccinate themselves and/or their children. Technically.

Kevin B

I'd prefer people not speak to me at all

Sklivvz

@PrincessOlivia we'll need to see it, but it's likely to be so overreaching that if it is, in fact, applied (and not merely used randomly at will), it would make a lot of people leave

Kevin B

9:20 PM

(other than chat)

M.A.R.

@KevinB hi, how can I help you

Dangit.

Kevin B

:)

Princess Olivia

@M.A.R. exactly. That's in theory. Realistically, you'd get a lot, but far from all

@Sklivvz It's already making people leave

Sklivvz

@PrincessOlivia yeah, I'm talking 20-30% though

M.A.R.

I'm not convinced the Department of Truth didn't cause the fall of IngSoc.

peterh

9:21 PM

Tim Post said, a lot of thing is about to change. I don't think it so.

M.A.R.

1984 references are so hyperbolic and exaggerated, but they're so fun!

Gwideon

Yeah i’ve Never seen another site try to enforce a policy like this. It’s usually taken on a a case by case bases

Andras Deak

@peterh well, between Tim and you it's probably 50-50

M.A.R.

@peterh I think they have more internal news about the next big thing than us

Sklivvz

enforce: "you can't avoid using gender pronouns"

Oded

9:23 PM

3

Q: Perhaps someone from the Stack Exchange Leadership Team should hold a town-hall meeting?

While Sara Chipps, the Director of Public Q&A did make a response to the Stack Exchange Community, it has been very negatively received and the featured tag isn't enough to keep it visible to the broader network community. It also triggered additional resignations and suspensions of moderator act...

M.A.R.

@AndrasDeak Why did we not get to chat often?

Sklivvz

I haven't used any gender pronouns in the last 30m, am I in breach?

Andras Deak

@Sklivvz we'd have to do the usual mind-reading routine first

Gwideon

Plus it’s usually already covered under a “be nice” type policy

Andras Deak

how do you feel about Emmanuel Goldstein?

Princess Olivia

9:23 PM

@Sklivvz "you get a ban, and YOU get a ban..."

M.A.R.

If I was in bleach I'd probably know it.

Then again, probably not.

Gwideon

Um can I get a summary of everything up to this point um it’s been hard to follow

Andras Deak

@Gwideon I'm sorry but that's quite impossible

I could give you half a dozen links, but it would not help with your anxiety

Sklivvz

@Oded that will end well

Andras Deak

there have probably been literally tens of thousands of messages in various chatrooms since it started, and countless pages of meta posts all across the network

Oded

9:27 PM

@Sklivvz see the first comment ;)

Andras Deak

and all of them are filled with angst

Princess Olivia

@Sklivvz I doubt it takes a lot of time before concerns are ignored again

john

12 hours ago, still pending

Gwideon

@AndrasDeak yeah you’re right.

Magisch

@Oded can you imagine what that would be in this climate

Oded

9:29 PM

Yep.

M.A.R.

@AndrasDeak An old man that probably didn't achieve anything and got assassinated as soon as he started disagreeing with Big Brother but nonetheless became the symbol of the resistance because of a made-up urban legend and the very fact that he's the most hated symbol among orthodox people made him the perfect symbol for resistance

Magisch

That would be an opportunity for someone to train how to read and moderate chat under extreme stress

kind of a trial by fire

M.A.R.

He'd also act as a really good filter to keep all orthodox belief out.

I like Nolan-y theories

Andras Deak

@M.A.R. Are you sure it wasn't The Party who made him into a symbol?

Journeyman Geek

@Oded honestly don't see it going any better

Gwideon

9:31 PM

@JourneymanGeek why?

Sklivvz

It needs to get worse before it gets better

M.A.R.

@AndrasDeak For every part of the Party mindset that seems to be bound by no rules or limitations, like craving power and acting humble against it, there needs to be a solid foundation in things they genuinely believed to be true.

It had to start from hypocrisy, not lies

Sklivvz

It's the whole denial/anger/bargaining/acceptance thing

M.A.R.

DOUBLEPLUSUNGOODTHINK

Gwideon

I’m gonna go

Sklivvz

9:32 PM

as long as there is no apology (thus: there is no acceptance of the harm caused) then there can be no true healing

Journeyman Geek

@Sklivvz but for who?

Sklivvz

SE

Journeyman Geek

Cause I'm totally engrievened by this

M.A.R.

Goldstein was a real person is my theory, because in the beginning some people needed to believe he was important so they could attribute all evil to him and begin to establish the doublethink principles of The Party.

Sklivvz

Ah

makes sense

I went through that when I stopped working here

john

9:33 PM

@Gwideon be safe

Sklivvz

@JourneymanGeek it does apply to you too I guess: "it can't be this bad"/"fuuuuuuuu"/"come on let's do a round table"/"screw it, not worth it"

Journeyman Geek

@Sklivvz I accept its bad

@Sklivvz on the other hand quite frankly times like this bring out the worst in people

and the worst people

And I can't have that

M.A.R.

Subtly cheese laugh

Magisch

@Sklivvz What scares me more is that staff does not seem to acknowledge or accept how bad it is

"we'll put some new processes and it'll be fine"

meanwile the network is disintegrating so fast you can barely follow

Andras Deak

9:49 PM

@Magisch but they are sorry to see it turn to dust

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I'm not really sure what's the plan

And there's a few things I'm seeing that I'm a bit confused by

(also holy carp, I'm surprised to see laura)

Old CM. One of the good ones.

Andras Deak

@JourneymanGeek assuming good faith can do that to you ;)

Sklivvz

also coming from our secret crypt

Journeyman Geek

Not that there's any bad CMs, just excellentones

Andras Deak

all CMs are best but some are bestest than the others

Journeyman Geek

9:51 PM

@AndrasDeak and yet

Magisch

I dont know what the gameplan is

this isn't blowing over

it's picking up steam

the damage done in this week will ripple for years to come even if they fix it right now

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I've seen a few sites lose their core

Magisch

like the workplace

Journeyman Geek

its usually quite a bad

Magisch

there is nothing left

Andras Deak

9:52 PM

If we stick with "good intentions toward those that agree with Monica's dismissal (if not the circumstances)" then this could all make sense as a way to evaporate problematic (and not hardline enough) elements from the community

Journeyman Geek

oh going further back

Magisch

the heart has been ripped out of that place

Journeyman Geek

Was thinking SF

@AndrasDeak I've talked to a few people

I cannot be mad at them

For specific actions. sure

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

3

A: Perhaps someone from the Stack Exchange Leadership Team should hold a town-hall meeting?

The only way this would work is if everyone agreed to put down their pitchforks or pointy implement of choice, and hear this from a neutral stance. I...don't see that happening in the short term. In fact, I see this as a prime chance for those who are just anti-Sara to simply throw her under th...

Andras Deak

@JourneymanGeek I don't see how that ties in with what I said

Journeyman Geek

9:54 PM

But they have and have acted in what they feel is best for their community too

@AndrasDeak this should not be a purge

also do you mean agree r disagree?

Andras Deak

"Should not" as in "should not", or "should not" as in "I don't believe it is"?

Journeyman Geek

@AndrasDeak I think we are both confusing each other.

Mgetz

@JourneymanGeek "Their community" I'm wondering if "Their community" doesn't include us

M.A.R.

I should not believe it is

Journeyman Geek

@Mgetz ooh

M.A.R.

9:56 PM

There. Best of both worlds.

Journeyman Geek

that is a hard talk

but I would hope not

Mgetz

@JourneymanGeek remember when I said this has deep roots, well that's the question that seems to lack an answer and has been outstanding since a long time back

M.A.R.

Well, both yes and no.

Journeyman Geek

@Mgetz so here's an interesting problem

M.A.R.

We are part of that community but statistically insignificant.

Andras Deak

9:57 PM

@JourneymanGeek yes, that's why I'm asking for clarification

Sklivvz

twitter.com/OdedCoster/status/1179871507536908314

Journeyman Geek

and its cultural

M.A.R.

Some of our desires would as well be shrugged off as those of statistical anomalies.

Journeyman Geek

I believe that inclusiveness should be inherent

M.A.R.

@Sklivvz text-pls

Journeyman Geek

9:59 PM

And not something that ideally needs to be legislated

we set the rules of the road. We talk to each other

M.A.R.

What bites is that volunteer effort is discarded as granted, and our effort is not seen as effort.

Journeyman Geek

But the world is not ideal

We build shields, safe spaces for people

M.A.R.

It's so impersonal. We're another data point, and not even a big one at that.

Andras Deak

shields are great for hitting people on the head with

Journeyman Geek

But I'd rather not have my safe spaces with 12 foot high fences topped with barbed wire

M.A.R.

10:00 PM

@AndrasDeak That's the right way of thinking

Mgetz

@JourneymanGeek I agree, however if you go down the path of policy there will be winners and losers and the path of policy has been followed. They have tried to pretend to be solomon and split the baby but it's failed about as well as actually splitting the baby.

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek As a dog, you really should get on the offensive.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. Dogs are love ;p

user1306322

oh I thought it was a cute hedgehog in a hat, those 16x16 pixel avatars are hard to see

M.A.R.

@user1306322 It's called Ashley. Ashley is a boy's name. In Singapore.

Journeyman Geek

10:01 PM

@Mgetz the COC as written is in a sense a collaborative effort

Andras Deak

@M.A.R. like the famous singer, Rick Ashley

user1306322

there's also Ashley Birch from "Hey, Ash, watcha playing" youtube series (also voiced Tiny Tina in Borderlands 2)

Journeyman Geek

We have owned it - though as with many things on SE it took loner than anyone realises to do

M.A.R.

107

Q: Threshold experiment results: closing, editing and reopening all become more effective

This post details the outcome of an experiment that reduced the thresholds for closing and reopening questions to 3 votes on Stack Overflow. Warning: this post is looong. There is no "tl;dr". There is no summary. I've been thinking about this crap almost every day for 7 years, and I'll be damned ...

discussion featured edits vote-to-close vote-to-reopen

Go read this. I enjoyed it, and I needed it.

If you've read it

go read it again

Andras Deak

pretty pictures

ArtOfCode

10:04 PM

→ 6 messages moved to Trashcan

→ 1 message moved to Trashcan

user1306322

ye, illustrations are always welcome in statistics-heavy posts

Journeyman Geek

So folks. TO add on to the pinned posts.

Oded

@ArtOfCode? WTH

M.A.R.

@Art I miss the days we could move audit messages too. That was so meta.

Or did I imagine all that.

Journeyman Geek

There's folks who are not nice out there. And they get attracted by drama like this

ArtOfCode

10:05 PM

@Oded we're not doing out-the-employee. We're not even looking like we're doing it.

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek I like your apocalyptic tone.

Oded

Public knowledge

M.A.R.

We're not even looking like looking like looking like.

user206222

I sure do love getting essays in my notifications about how trans people essentially care too much and should just relax.

Journeyman Geek

@Oded in this situation ...

M.A.R.

10:07 PM

:/

user206222

Like, okay. Look. Here's the thing: this isn't just about Monica, and y'all know it. It maybe is, a little bit, but people wouldn't be this angry if they felt the issue were of any substance.

Oded

Meh

Journeyman Geek

@Aza It is for me

And honestly you cannot speak for people who are not you

Shadow

@JourneymanGeek same here.

Journeyman Geek

@Oded a few of the staff have gotten doxxed and threatened in the past

user206222

10:08 PM

People are this ticked not just because a mod was terminated, but because they think the issue she was terminated for is silly. Not every person is gonna think this, but reading those comments on the trans/pronoun-related posts?

Andras Deak

@Aza I disagree, though I also can't peek into alternate universes. I believe the reason this blew up is not because the percieved importance of the subject, but rather the circumstances in which Monica was sacked.

Shadow

I'm not familiar with most other involved mods, and honestly not care yet that much about any CoC update.

Journeyman Geek

@Aza and this situation brings out the worst in people

M.A.R.

@Aza I think helping people realize this isn't just about this issue and they just generally shouldn't pass judgment or assume things about people in a much different situation could help wash the (perceived or not) political agenda off of it.

Anything that politicians touch stinks.

Mgetz

@Aza it's been building a loooooong time, this is just the latest incident

M.A.R.

10:09 PM

Hey, that sounds familiar.

They don't just do it about Lavender (TIL) people, it's just this topic is the buzz today.

In an ideal world, it shouldn't be . . .

Adam Lear

@M.A.R. Eh... Just about everything in life is political. The things that people tend to think aren't are usually in situations where they aren't affected by the specific politics.

Journeyman Geek

@AndrasDeak precisely

Shadow

First time I see the term Lavender.

Is it widely used?

Journeyman Geek

Nope. First time too

Shadow

hmm

user1306322

10:10 PM

@Shadow it was used in the comments and posts a number of times in those hot posts just today

Andras Deak

@Shadow I read about it years ago, then I forgot about it

Mgetz

@Shadow dunno first time too, but I instantly made the connection so it was fine.

Shadow

@Mgetz sure, but so many terms...

user206222

@Shadow It's not widely used but I've seen it, it's not spurious or anything.

M.A.R.

They just do the same horrible presumptions and pass judgment about people of a different financial status, culture, ethnicity, etc.

Andras Deak

10:11 PM

to me (as a complete outsider, NB) it seems like a nice alternative to the alphabet soup

M.A.R.

Well, TBH the letters get hard to pronounce after a while.

My username used to be PhMgBr and people complained all the time.

Mgetz

@Shadow I think that is a frustrating thing for people that want to be allies and get lost in the terminology to the point they give up. Then they get called bigots... and it goes bad from there

Andras Deak

@M.A.R. and as a continuum of human identity is discovered there'd be more and more letters to add and keep track of

M.A.R.

@AdamLear There are some things they touch more often. And they don't wash hands

Shadow

I don't care for terms. If one asks to be addressed as a female, I'd do it, no matter if that person is male or female. If a person prefer same sex persons I'm totally fine with it. That's what I know, and for me it's enough. :)

But I'd still learn new terms as they arise, no problem.

user1306322

10:13 PM

I like lavender more than queer, it doesn't have that negative alternate meaning of weird associated with it, so when I saw it used today I was pleasantly surprised

Mgetz

@user1306322 actually I agree with you, rainbow community works too for me

Shadow

@user1306322 for now.... I suspect it might change if/when it will become widely used.

M.A.R.

Yeah, no matter what year it is, previous negative connotations carry on for some people

Mgetz

although that does have a whiff of unicorns about it

Shadow

Lavender for me is smell of a soap... well, was.

Andras Deak

10:14 PM

@user1306322 also queer is a much more specific term as far as I know, as I understand lavender replaces all of LGBTQ+

M.A.R.

Aye, that's the Q

Mgetz

@Shadow I think of soap and the great british bake off... and people over using it and having their baked goods called 'soapy'

Shadow

@Mgetz lol

M.A.R.

Have you had baked hat.

Mgetz

@Shadow rose has the same issue, that said apparently lemon and lavender is a good combo if done right

Shadow

10:16 PM

Anyway..... what did I miss here? Anything important in the last 6 hours or so?

Andras Deak

@Shadow Shog's close vote test results?

M.A.R.

@Shadow Yes. All my messages are important.

Andras Deak

and Town Hall suggestion for Sara on MSE

M.A.R.

Wait what

And I posted a screenshot of someone complaining about leaking radiators

Shadow

@AndrasDeak rofl

M.A.R.

10:17 PM

Haha, good times

Mgetz

@M.A.R. car or heating?

Shadow

@M.A.R. you are not @Bart

Andras Deak

@Shadow how so?

Shadow

@AndrasDeak sad joke

M.A.R.

1 hour ago, by M.A.R.

@Shadow Citation frigging needed

Shadow

10:19 PM

@AndrasDeak it's.... like routine goes on while the place is on fire. So, funny in a way.

M.A.R.

Hm, how does Bart talk

Andras Deak

@Shadow Shog's happy place. We should find another experiment for him for a few more days

M.A.R.

Uh, Dutch, Dutch things, Dutch waffles. Stick, Shtick, lightning.

Shadow

I'm sure he has low voice.

M.A.R.

Well, I picture him talk like Javier Bardem.

@Shadow Are you implying my voice is high pitched

Or are you implying that I'm loud thinks which one is worse

Andras Deak

10:22 PM

Why not both?

M.A.R.

@Shadow Go read his post. Amid all the crisis, it's always a nice read.

Andras Deak

Do we do anything with meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/67261?

M.A.R.

Ya know, like how in real life you're angry or frustrated, and talk to someone nice and calm down a bit

@AndrasDeak Uh, leave me out of that one.

That's definitely not gonna get into a rollback war (╯T_T）╯︵ ┻━┻

Andras Deak

it's only a war after two rollbacks, and we're at 0

Mgetz

@AndrasDeak /sigh

Andras Deak

10:25 PM

OK, rolling it back. Conflicts with author's questionable intent.

M.A.R.

You know what, let me find more funny SE screenshots.

joran

@AndrasDeak /atomic sigh

M.A.R.

I dunno if Gems from SE is even being updated any more.

@joran Quantum sigh

Nice

user1306322

@M.A.R. wanna take a quantum break lol

joran

@M.A.R. I meant to imply "big", maybe should have gone with "nuclear"

M.A.R.

10:27 PM

Oh, whoops.

Andras Deak

atomic is bigger than nuclear

M.A.R.

Gotta blur the names or something.

Andras Deak

factor of 10000

user1306322

I thought atoms were smaller than nucleus which... consists of atoms?

wait

M.A.R.

The nucleus is 10^-5 times smaller in radius than the atom

Andras Deak

10:28 PM

@user1306322 nope

atom = nucleus + electrons

M.A.R.

The atom has electrons around it behaving like a wave. Squashed all over the place.

user1306322

my brain was thinking of the word particles :D

Andras Deak

nucleus means "core" or "kernel", as in "of the atom"

Mgetz

@M.A.R. If I observe this sigh did it actually happen or is it a hisen sigh?

M.A.R.

@Mgetz You can tell when it happened but never its momentum

Andras Deak

10:30 PM

*where

M.A.R.

whenre

Andras Deak

when goes with "how strongly" :P

user1306322

btw do you guys know if you can add unpopped popcorn kernels to ramen? will they soak in the water or are they too dry

Shadow

Dry

M.A.R.

@AndrasDeak Nitpick.

Shadow

10:30 PM

I think

user1306322

I kinda like the dry corn in those "barely any vegetables" packets in cheap ramen and was thinking how to find similar corn to add more of it in a bowl

M.A.R.

I have to first try that

Mgetz

ok my day is over, I'm out

M.A.R.

Good . . . uh

Night

Andras Deak

@user1306322 with ~~magic~~ engineering imgur.com/gallery/e2nj0WV

user1306322

10:32 PM

that's a cool device

Andras Deak

it even reverses the cob at the end, always blows my mind

StephanS

10:46 PM

@user1306322 those little dried up vegetables are the best, I personally enjoy the Peas

peterh

@Magisch I can only hope, not a single person-decision decides, what is a "personal attack". Just a half hour ago, I only asked from someone, if she is an internal or remote employee. Then I could not talk half an hour long.

@Magisch Furthermore, the current most vocal interpretation of some events, can be seen as at least serious errors made by some staff members. It is hard to talk about it, if there is no way to criticize them.

@Magisch Furthermore, you are not a mod, not an admin, not a staff. I doubt your legitimity to create any rule.

Andras Deak

@peterh going forward you should look for the signs. If you see authoritative-looking people telling you not to press a matter, you should drop it

peterh

@AndrasDeak This mentality doesn't lead to anywhere. You can vehemently mis-interpret any context, and then expel anybody, but the result won't be very good even for you.

ArtOfCode

@peterh Hi, I'm a mod. I back up what Magisch said.

Andras Deak

@peterh and I hate to break it to you but Magisch is a room owner here, so he has a lot of right to create rules

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10:55 PM

> Thanks again to everyone who participated in this [3-vote close experiment]

Journeyman Geek

@peterh I back up what mags said too

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Does this include those whose questions were closed

ArtOfCode

You are welcome to criticise. You are not welcome to launch personal attacks, attempt to assassinate anyone's character, attempt to reveal or obtain anyone's personal information, etc etc etc.

Andras Deak

@peterh I can manage

user194636

@peterh it also helps to link to particular messages when context is important

peterh

10:56 PM

@ArtOfCode Was it written to anywhere?

ArtOfCode

@peterh What?

Journeyman Geek

@peterh so...

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