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Journeyman Geek

6:00 PM

@Stevoisiak There's a few folks who're linchpins

user1306322

@Stevoisiak how so?

CalvT

@JourneymanGeek was that rollback comment for that answer, or the question?

Stevoisiak

Seeing which communities have had multiple mod resignations, and which ones havent

Journeyman Geek

@CalvTs erf

I'm clearly tried

user1306322

tried and true :p

Mgetz

6:01 PM

@Snow sorry to be cynical, but if a mod is dismissed by the company I don't think they'll be allowed an appeal on the grounds that only court/forced arbitration could settle it and it would still be hostile.

rene

@user1306322 related: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/124749/… and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/321241/…

Bart

So tried you need a good rset and some splee?

user351483

@Mgetz So why would Sara talk about an appeals process?

Stevoisiak

I've seen one community without any mod resignations, but worry that the fall of SE could hurt the welcoming community they currently have

Mgetz

@Snow for future cases. I don't think appeal will be allowed in this case

Journeyman Geek

6:03 PM

@Stevoisiak and well, sadly enough that can be a concequence of what happens now

Mgetz

at the end of the day the SE staff is the final court of appeal. If they make a decision it is final.

Journeyman Geek

@Mgetz its just as important the process is fair

Mgetz

@JourneymanGeek A fair process involves lawyers and a court room. We're not and never were going to get that.

Journeyman Geek

@Mgetz its true

But I've never seen a action by SE do so much damage to the network, ever

Ælis

@Stevoisiak I'm wondering what community you are talking about. There is a lot of different community in SE and I think multiple of them might be in the case you are describing

Journeyman Geek

6:05 PM

and honestly

Mgetz

@JourneymanGeek I have, but nobody realized at the time. It's irrelevant now at this point as it can't be changed.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

methinks they've cleared the way for the Super Moderator Election 9000™, where they'll be able to get all the Right Thinking people in

Journeyman Geek

I see the best and worst in people

@FélixGagnon-Grenier :/

Stevoisiak

@Ælis I'm purposely not mentioning it because I don't want to out anyone

Journeyman Geek

@Mgetz well not in such a short time

Mgetz

6:07 PM

@JourneymanGeek true, what I'm referring to started ages ago, but it's the root of what's happening here.

Journeyman Geek

and not in a time which is supposed to be crucial to SE's future

But it always is isn't it?

Stevoisiak

I'm assuming you don't to elaborate on what change that was

Journeyman Geek

@Stevoisiak depends on who you ask

Ælis

@Stevoisiak Make seen and this community would probably appreciate that

Mgetz

@Stevoisiak Nope, because re-litigating it now won't change anything

Journeyman Geek

6:09 PM

@Stevoisiak I always felt that the focus on careers to the exception of core Q&A was a start

and the same folks probably were behind toe focus on SO

but...

things were getting better

Stevoisiak

@Ælis I'd prefer not to. I'm sorry.

Mgetz

@JourneymanGeek it's older.. much much older, the things that set today in motion go back at least to 2013ish if not further back.

Journeyman Geek

honestly, felt like we mattered for the first time after the great big layoff

@Mgetz ah

ArtOfCode

There's quite a few sites without mod resignations, but quite a lot of them are the small betas whose mods don't frequent TL so much

Ælis

@Stevoisiak Oh no, don't apologize, I was just saying that I agree with you decided to not "out" this community (sorry if I wasn't clear ^^')

Stevoisiak

6:14 PM

@Ælis Ah, ok. Thanks!

Ælis

@ArtOfCode That's what I thought. Since I spotted at least one with no formal mod declaration, I was curious to know if Stevoisiak had spotted the same or another one. But, in any case, it might be better not to say. So I will just leave it at that :)

Stevoisiak

I more-so didn't want to out because of sentiment of the community

Journeyman Geek

@Ælis SU hasn't lost any mods

Stevoisiak

It's a friendly chat in there right now, and I wouldn't want to ruin that

user351483

@ArtOfCode Lucky buggers.

Andras Deak

6:17 PM

whether any given mod decides to stand up is their very own private business, as private as it gets, and discussing it would be in bad taste

Journeyman Geek

But least for me, I'm sticking out for my community rather than anything else

and I'll say the core folks there are excellent and kinda have been a great help in getting through this

also, they're worried if I'm holding up ok, which is touching ;p

Ælis

@Stevoisiak Sorry, didn't want to start an argument, I didn't think this topic would be so emotionally loaded (I might have needed to think more before posting, sorry about that ^^)

Journeyman Geek

nd that's true of a lot of spaces

Stevoisiak

@JourneymanGeek When I was first reading up on this, seeing your post was what made me realize how serious this was. I look up to you as a voice of reason on SE.

Journeyman Geek

Thank you

Ælis

6:20 PM

Not related: those all chat have different "ping noise"? This chat room make a weird "bird noise" when someone pings me which is different than the pings I'm used to (on "The Awkward Silent")

Mgetz

@ArtOfCode I know I directly informed one of the mods of said sites and I've respected their decision not to get involved.

CalvT

@Ælis Different chat sites

Journeyman Geek

But unless the right people listen, I'm not sure what good I can do

CalvT

There's chat.so, chat.se and chat.meta - all have different noises

Journeyman Geek

@Ælis I think each server does

@Stevoisiak honestly - the big goal for me is if we come out of it

Ælis

6:22 PM

Oh, thanks for the explanation!

Mgetz

@Ælis it's the door alert sound from Star trek IIRC

Journeyman Geek

we're not so fragmented and bitter and angry we can't pull things back together

Ælis

@Mgetz So, not a bird xD

Journeyman Geek

Maybe deserve my MSE hammer again ;p

Stevoisiak

I would not want to be an MSE mod right now

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Mgetz

6:24 PM

27 Star Trek Generations Door Chime

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Ælis

I would not even want to be an MSE room owner right now

Stevoisiak

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Journeyman Geek

@Stevoisiak I honestly, and correctly felt I couldn't handle it at this point of time

Stevoisiak

Oh hey, some good meta news.

@JourneymanGeek Completely understandable.

HDE 226868

"I've been thinking about this crap almost every day for 7 years, and I'll be damned if I'm not gonna inflict at least a little bit of that pain on anyone else who thinks they're interested." - Hey, Shog made me laugh, even on a day like this one.

Journeyman Geek

6:27 PM

@HDE226868 some people have the gift ;p

Oded

And some certainly don't...

Journeyman Geek

They do not

Some also wish they did 😁

T. Sar

Agh. This whole situation is depressing.

Journeyman Geek

Uhmm also water is wet

user58

@Ælis It's been not fun for the past few days, I'll admit. It's about as bad in the MSO equivalent.

user1306322

6:38 PM

I mean like 90% of the site's userbase will never even learn of this entire incident, so different perspectives

user58

@HDE226868 I reiterate my Tweet.

Stevoisiak

I only learned about this yesterday. Catching up on it has been... an experience

HDE 226868

@user58 Oh, yeah, that one. :D

Stevoisiak

@user58 Your tweet?

Ælis

@user58 :/ Lots of love and courage to you <3 Also, I will most definitively not checkout this MSO equivalent (well, I probably shouldn't even be there, all this agitation is bad for my sleep but I couldn't resist ><)

Journeyman Geek

6:40 PM

@user1306322 I'm sure folks will find ways to 'educate' members of their community on happenings

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