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Meta Andrew T.

2:19 AM

Flying butter effect... for this morning...

Shree

6:23 AM

First time I see this error unable to open any SO page

ThiefMaster

@Shree why did you bother censoring your IP at the beginning when you left it in plaintext below? also, why censor IPs at all - your IP is exposed to the internet anyway, so if you have any security issues you are screwed regardless of whether you post it in a screenshot or not ;)

Shree

:D

Journeyman Geek

7:33 AM

Lol

When burying the evidence make sure bits are not sticking out?

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

8:23 AM

@410 How you know that's him? Might be other person with similar name.

Anyway, wasn't newsletter renamed to "digest"? I got email now with newsletter written all over it, as usual. Bug?

@ThiefMaster it's exposed to staff and mods only, not to anyone.

Well, now it is.

Journeyman Geek

well now it is ;p

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

lol

Journeyman Geek

But I honestly don't see the point of being too precious about your IP address

I won't share it, but I literally have a domain pointed at my home IP cause I'm lazy

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Anyone with access to a web server can also plant some basic code that logs the IP while serving image then onebox the image to get IP addresses of everyone, but that won't give exact mapping who owns what IP.

Journeyman Geek

yup

but what can you do with the IP?

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

8:27 AM

yip

@JourneymanGeek try to hack it?

Journeyman Geek

hah

and then?

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

surely there are/were/will be vulnerabilities letting hackers (or just bored script kiddies) take control of machines with compromised IP addresses.

Journeyman Geek

erm

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

So logging those is useful for hackers.

Journeyman Geek

no? And if you could you might as well use shodan or brute force stuff

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

8:30 AM

@Shree disable all your scripts, likely one of then went rogue and started sending requests to the server in insane amount.

Journeyman Geek

uhm

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard I think team smokey might have been aware

and er

the post isn't there anymore

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

?

What's team Smokey?

When it's already reported, Smokey says it

in Chimney, Sep 13 at 6:30, by SmokeDetector

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Post 1: Already recently reported [ MS ]

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard oh, I kinda recognise a few flaggers on sight ;p

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

lol

meh not a spammer, can safely remove from blacklist

I think

Journeyman Geek

8:50 AM

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard that answer...

I want to fix the layout

but I have no idea howwwww

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

?

oh on SU

Yeah seems intended to use inline images.

It fits with icons, not such images though.

meh

Suggested an edit there now. @Journeyman

Journeyman Geek

Ahh. Better

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

:)

Though 333 was special number :(

410

11:17 AM

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard click network profile, compare the photo to LinkedIn.

Deep forensic analysis of the image is optional.

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

11:57 AM

@410 heh

That means one thing: he removed the full name and picture on purpose, and forgot to synchronize the network profile.

I bet those accounts will be nuked soon and he'll get a new, blank, account.

Meta Andrew T.

nuked Stack Overflow and started a new one

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

12:20 PM

That might happen when Shog rage quits.... :D

@JNat long time no cross network spammer for you... Enjoy! :D

While you're on it, another one for you... @JNat :)

Journeyman Geek

1:56 PM

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Magisch

2:09 PM

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard Didn't Joe get poached by microsoft?

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch yup

and he didn't seem very disgruntled

just had a better offer

Magisch

seems a bit unfair to expect PM at stack to compete with "teamlead at new team in area that really interests you with better pay" at microsoft

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch yup

especially if you were pretty happy there

Magisch

seems like microsoft realized they really wanted to keep him and came up with an idea that was too good to pass up

Journeyman Geek

Or there was an opening, and someone went "Hey, wasn't there that guy...."

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

3:26 PM

@Magisch he left Microsoft in favor of SE, then got back to Microsoft, yes. Those are the facts. As for the "why" we can only guess, my guess is that it's not only due to money.

Mithrandir

And it's probably best to avoid the speculation.

Kevin B

but it's fun

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Manager get tons of criticism, sometimes not very nice, manager leaves. Sorry but hard for me to accept it's just coincidence.

Mithrandir

1 min ago, by Mithrandir

And it's probably best to avoid the speculation.

John Dvorak

> Coincidence? I think not!

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

3:29 PM

@Mithrandir so we shouldn't talk about anything related to it?

Kevin B

just not here ;)

Mithrandir

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard I don't think speculation about someone changing jobs is an especially appropriate topic for this room, so... correct.

410

Maybe we can switch from speculation to contemplation.

> If you want a place to be more welcoming to the folks you respect, then start by doing respectable things in it. Strive to make it a place that you're proud of, and only then hope that others will be proud of it too. twitter.com/shog9/status/1176650938003574785

Having contemplated this for a while, I still don't think I am getting it.

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@410 Sounds like Shog expects people to be respectful towards one another on SE.

410

Specifically, I don't know where respect enters the welcoming equation.

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

3:35 PM

(or actually, MSO, where they're not)

@410 it's not about the Welcome Wagon

It's more basic than that.

410

Generally, one expects welcoming to be directed toward the downtrodden masses, worthy of pity more than respect.

Or at least that's my reading of welcoming.

ymb1

I asked Should I be worried about how fast I use the site? -- I'm pleased to announce I got my first stack captcha, yay :D

Mithrandir

There might be some context that... most people won't get. :|

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@410 Not the point either, from what I can tell. Shog direct this to the long time users who now bash the mods and each other on MSO.

ymb1

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

3:38 PM

@ymb1 and? You passed? :P

Mithrandir

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard Of course not, they're a robot.

ymb1

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ apparently :D

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

:D

ymb1

PS wasn't testing or pushing any limits, but I changed how I typically browse, mainly based on this: meta.stackexchange.com/a/330351/392799 now my bookmark is a search string for is:a created:2d.. and sorted by new

I was sensible to make it "2d.."

well, there's another similar bookmark for is:q ... so maybe opening both at the same time triggered it

that other bookmark filters out the Q's that's been answered

I think it warrants a support/feedback post, so I've just posted that

410

4:56 PM

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard Okay.... Well, here is another one to decipher.

> The problem with explaining all of this malicious stuff as "stupidity" is that after a while you just start thinking of everyone as stupid.

...and that's when they strike. https://twitter.com/shog9/status/1176902280701857798

Unrelated: I am baffled by all the Thomas Cook stuff.

I tend to pay for the flights I take and for the hotel rooms that I stay in.

Giving someone a bunch of money in return for a promise that they'll handle everything... doesn't sound remotely appealing.

Millennials killed Thomas Cook. (?)

Tinkeringbell

@410 It's actually quite common over here... you can book entirely arranged stuff, where you pay 1 lump sum of money for the transportation, hotel stay, meals (and sometimes entry to the theme park :P )

@410 I actually think a lot of millennials still use travel agents, though online.

410

It just sounds so... geriatric to me. Like checking into assisted-living housing or something.

"We'll take care of everything" are scary words to hear.

Tinkeringbell

@410 It's just pre-holiday laziness...

Meta Andrew T.

"We'll take care of everything from this point." are indeed scarier...

M.A.R.

@410 Orwellian dystopia

rene

5:11 PM

all-inclusive

Meta Andrew T.

near-hit

rene

6:21 PM

I somehow connected the dots between this and this. I guess @Aaronshekey likes that ...

Feeds

6:55 PM

xkcd.com: Book tour wrap-up

posted on September 25, 2019

Thank you to everyone who came to events on my book tour! If you weren't able to make it to any of my tour events, How To is now available everywhere, including at Barnes and Noble, Target, Amazon, local independents, and more. Some Barnes and Noble locations and indies have special signed copies, so you can check with your bookseller to see if those are available.

I could type this into a solver, which MIGHT help, but would also mean I have to get a lot of parentheses right...

410

@Feeds Sure: take a limit as one of two unknowns ->0 or ->infinity. Voila, one unknown left. Write some justification of why this is physically natural in your situation.

@Feeds Well, at least Randall is not inserting animated ads in this feed, like those ads on Physics.SE

John Dvorak

@410 To be fair, only one of them is actually animated, and only one or two display nudity (depending on if you count the foot)

life-on-mars

7:14 PM

Hola... is there a specific reason why there is not general business site? or did no one ever try to build one... I mean there is a whole section labelled business after all

M.A.R.

@life-on-mars There is no particular reason why a site does or does not exist

Sites are proposed through Area51.SE

And if they gain enough followers, they'll get a chance at Private Beta

Mithrandir

What do you mean a "general business site"? I'm not clear on what you're asking.

Do you mean a question and answer site, or a site for Stack Overflow's business?

410

@M.A.R. Not the correct order anymore. Followers first, Area 51 proposal second.

Startups was the closest SE site to this topic. Fittingly, it failed twice.

M.A.R.

That sounds fittingly confusing

You will not confuse me. I already have something to confuse myself with.

Conufsito ergo sum.

410

When submitting Area 51 proposal, one has to provide a link to some online community that's supporting it.

life-on-mars

7:19 PM

@Mithrandir a Q&A site

410

So, step 1 is to gather support; step 2 is to propose the site.

Mithrandir

So... a Q&A site for general questions on running a business?

life-on-mars

yep

M.A.R.

Well, we have money.SE, where all the loan spam goes

Mithrandir

In that case, yep, @M.A.R. hit the nail on the head.

M.A.R.

7:20 PM

Apparently it was my finger

410

@Mithrandir That's for personal finance.

Absolutely not corporate.

life-on-mars

@M.A.R. hehe ... loan spam... we all need that

410

Out of the surviving sites, Project Management is somewhat relevant.

Mithrandir

...I was speaking in reference to the Area 51 answer, not the Money.SE. Chatception.

(Does A51 OB?)

area51.stackexchange.com

life-on-mars

project management is already pretty specific...

410

7:24 PM

Well, do you want to include accounting, corporate law, hiring, fundraising, ....

life-on-mars

I just found that someone proposed something like it 8 years ago on area51 -_-

410

then it gets very broad, and not really a SE site anymore.

But the root issue is that the people who are good at running businesses are busy running businesses, as opposed to hanging out on forums.

life-on-mars

hmmm... I see your point... but isn't that the case for much of SE? I mean take law for instance

M.A.R.

Someone's got a lot of time on their hands, and their idea of trolling is asking for subscribing to PewDiePie . . .

It's kinda a new low not to even be agitating when you're trolling

a quality that includes the essential human virtues; compassion and humanity. "there is a need for understanding not vengeance, ubuntu not victimization". Please send part of quadrillion. — crip659 29 mins ago

Lol this is smart

life-on-mars

Ubuntu the operating system or the philosophy?

M.A.R.

7:38 PM

Depends on who you're asking. To me Ubuntu would be a peaceful bearded Indian monk that talks about Chakra in a charming accent

life-on-mars

100 quadrillion... lol