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410

3:00 PM

@Feeds Do I get partial credit for a 50% correct guess?

Sep 15 at 18:39, by 410

I imagine some board members preferring a SEA woman for the role.

Meta Andrew T.

Now I forgot what I wanted to do just now...

Ah, YouTubing.

Journeyman Geek

That's mostly what I'm doing now ;p

410

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard The announcement said they are become an enterprise software company, so... what are these public sites, anyway?

A licensing headache, mostly.

Hm, reading that sentence I can't unsee "head" and "lice" together. :/

Journeyman Geek

I'm not sure the enterprise software would have as much of an audience without the public sites.

But I think you kinda know that

Kevin B

3:17 PM

meh

M.A.R.

meh

Journeyman Geek

hem

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

moo

Bart

3:33 PM

omm

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@Bart mediation?

Journeyman Geek

nomm?

Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard resistance!

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. war?!

Bart

4:01 PM

What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Say it again y'all.

M.A.R.

it again y'all.

rene

4:57 PM

→ 50 messages moved to Chimney

Does the sun shine @fbueckert ?

410

No sun. Cloudy. Demand a refund.

rene

I guess this global warming is useful. We need less resources to keep warm in the winter and the sun will give us more electricity. It is a win-win.

fbueckert

5:17 PM

@rene If you're talking literally, a bit. This month has been uncommonly rainy.

If you're referring to my interactions with my solar company, dunno. No response after I made it clear I expect my refund.

rene

Ha, rainy on both fronts ;)

fbueckert

I mean, it's not that large a pot of money. But between the goodwill they've burnt and aggravation I've had to deal with, I'm in zero mood to be accommodating.

rene

Based on your end of the story I see no reason for you to act differently

fbueckert

I'm extremely tired of trying to be reasonable and being taken advantage of.

rene

Past reasonable ...

deal with it ...

fbueckert

5:24 PM

I've already started looking at what I need to do to file in small claims.

rene

Is that something you can do on your own or do you need a lawyer for that?

LOL Try to settle the dispute outside of court.

fbueckert

No lawyer required.

I will definitely be adding time and costs to whatever I ask for, though.

My rate for consulting work sounds reasonable.

Optimus Prime

5:39 PM

New CEO stackoverflow.blog/2019/09/24/…

410

?cb=1 is a onebox killer, isn't it

stackoverflow.blog/2019/09/24/…

Nope

Optimus Prime

not rendering

410

> As the new CEO, I promise to make chat oneboxing work again.

Optimus Prime

Some links should work

testing...

Works

This is the person linkedin.com/in/pchandrasekar

Feeds

Unicorn Meta Zoo: 9: How do we handle problem users?

posted on September 24, 2019

Welcome to the Unicorn Meta Zoo, a podcast by members of the Stack Exchange community team. If you want to avoid spoilers, jump straight to the audio. Participants We are talking about how we handle difficult users. Links If you’ve never played Lemmings, fix that. Wikipedia’s Assume good faith policy. Don’t flip the bozo bit. (Not defined in The Jargon Lexicon as I assumed.) Our …

410

5:54 PM

Wikipedia:Assume the assumption of assuming good faith

As Wikipedia:Assume the assumption of good faith is to Wikipedia:Assume good faith, this essay is to Wikipedia:Assume the assumption of good faith. Assume that fellow editors are assuming the assumption of good faith on your part. == Example argument == "Hey, stop trying to troll Wikipedia" "Hey, WP:AGF" "Hey, WP:AAGF"... ad infinitum. The real moral here is that it's usually best not to start talking about AGF. Though it's also not helpful to make someone think about AGF (by talking about trolling, for example.) == See also == Wikipedia:Assume the good-faith assumption of assuming the assumption...

Jon Ericson

Meta can be a plague.

Tinkeringbell

@410 It's assumptions all the way down!

fbueckert

That sounds like there's some context behind that, @JonEricson.

Jon Ericson

@fbueckert Well, the assuming of assumption of assuming good faith is not nearly meta enough. Let's add a few more. ;-)

fbueckert

Even those two is enough to give me a headache.

410

6:01 PM

Assume the good-faith assumption of assuming the assumption of good faith was in good faith redirects to "Whacking with a wet trout"

Stormblessed

0

Q: The SE Android app has not been working for half a year

The Stack Exchange Android app hasn't been working for me for half a year. I only still have it for the notifications. Even after reinstalling, notifications are the only feature that works. When I start the app, it only loads for some time and then shows a loading error. No home page, no notifi...

Gold badge privileges aren’t great

This is so, so not a duplicate

410

All app questions are duplicates of xkcd.com/1174

Kevin B

the app is dead and noone should be using it

(i still use it)

ArtOfCode

I still have it, but only because it puts my SE inbox messages through to my phone

fbueckert

@ArtOfCode That's exactly why I don't have it.

It got annoying, fast.

Mithrandir

6:15 PM

That's why I have it, but that stopped working.

Kevin B

hmm... i think it's working for me? but only if i don't see the notification first through the web

Meta Andrew T.

6:34 PM

@Stormblessed it's not a dupe, but it's also unclear and should still be closed, unless the only question is PWA: "no, but the web now has responsive design, use it instead".

410

6:57 PM

DEV founder posted SO CEO news, with a tiny bit of discussion (so far)

a lot more dIsCuSSioN at HN

Tinkeringbell

7:42 PM

crunch

410

7:55 PM

For once, email spellcheck was more helpful than annoying. I didn't really mean to shart at 6:30.

Tinkeringbell

@410 Well, if anything that's a nice time as you're still home and thus hopefully in the vicinity of clean underwear ;)

410

Nooo.... U.S. pm/am thing.

Was in the context of a dinner starting at 6:30.

At a restaurant.

Tinkeringbell

Ah.

Nice, dinner! What kind of restaurant?

410

The kind that spells "crème brulee" with one diacritic sign only. I take this to be moderately fancy.

"American", whatever that means.

Tinkeringbell

Ah... yeah that says enough. Just a regular restaurant, not something that specializes in a 'foreign' cuisine ;)

M.A.R.

8:00 PM

*foriegn

That's the French spellingeur

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Excusez-moi?

M.A.R.

Uh

Merci, non

Tinkeringbell

rien de rien?

M.A.R.

J'aime la omellette

Tinkeringbell

Je suis une baguette? :P

(My brother actually said that one out loud while we had the window open and a French parking lot attendant could overhear. Poor guy didn't know where to look)

M.A.R.

8:01 PM

Non, Charlie

I assumed for a while Je Suis Charlie was some kinda food.

Mithrandir

oui, oui, mademoiselle

M.A.R.

A short while

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Ouch!

M.A.R.

Hey, it's at least some sort of chocolate. "Charlie the Chocolate" Factory

I took some liberties with the title.

Tinkeringbell

Ehh... don't know if you're supposed to joke about that one yet.

M.A.R.

8:04 PM

Why, is it being remade? O.o

I want De Niro as the owner of the factory

Tinkeringbell

I meant the whole Je Suis Charlie thing...

M.A.R.

Oh wait, that one was about Casinos

Eh, I'm done with referencing it

Tinkeringbell

Cool

Topic change!

I'm going to bed :P

M.A.R.

University's first prof. is grumpy.

Really grumpy.

Grinch level.

Tinkeringbell

Ah. Grumpy professors can surprise you sometimes though :)

M.A.R.

8:06 PM

By . . . ruining Christmas?

Meh, two hours is too short a time to really get to know someone

Tinkeringbell

Sure. Like you celebrate Christmas to begin with? :P

M.A.R.

But he started out with the presumption that we're good for nothing lazy idiots who would rather spend the class in a handstand than studying

@Tinkeringbell Well, it's besides my birthday

Tinkeringbell

Ah, always a good way to get your students motivated.

Threaten them with handstands.

@M.A.R. Ah cool, double dose of presents :D

M.A.R.

. . . not far from the truth. But still.

@Tinkeringbell Nah, we don't celebrate Christian holidays here

Although oddly Valentine's day is pretty popular AFAIK

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. No worries, Santa Claus isn't Christian. Go tell your parents :P

M.A.R.

8:08 PM

"oddly"

Santa is just E.T.

And the lesson in that is don't eat too much candy.

Tinkeringbell

Santa is the Coca Cola version of the Dutch Sinterklaas ;)

Agreed on the candy though :)

M.A.R.

Oh cooooool. That sounds so badass.

Am I to assume he dresses in black overalls and shades?

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Like a pope, but with more red.

M.A.R.

And dodges bullets

That's boring

Dutch can't be boring

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. It actually looks pretty nice.

@M.A.R. That's why Sinterklaas comes with Black Pete ;)

M.A.R.

8:11 PM

Look at Bart. He's probably Sinterklaas's glasses.

Tinkeringbell

Poor Bart.

M.A.R.

What a waste of awesome naming potential

What's Hoofdpiet?

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Like the boss of all Pieten. He's like the manager, only having to have Sinterklaas above him.

M.A.R.

If I ever become a CIA hitman by any chance, I'd call myself Dutch L. Sinterklaas.

Tinkeringbell

You do know that's now on the internet? :P

M.A.R.

8:14 PM

@Tinkeringbell Nice, a grim bureaucratic hierarchy is forming

@Tinkeringbell It's so obvious so no one would look for it. Logic.

My password is also "password".

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. The rest of them are just very chaotic. I think there's some kind of 'intern' rank too, but I didn't really follow the 'Sinterklaasjournaal' that closely for the past ... oh, decade? :P

M.A.R.

The interns are paid starvation wages and form the frontline in battles with no shield.

Or sword.

Or shoes

Tinkeringbell

Eh, I think they're mostly there for the storyline: Someone has to mess something up :P

M.A.R.

Or . . . No wait put that back on

Tinkeringbell

Also now I want to eat sinterklaas snacks :(

You're a bad influence!

M.A.R.

8:16 PM

Like a pro CIA

thing

man

Tinkeringbell

You sure? :P

M.A.R.

That obviousness logic is still at play here.

Watch the next romcom, and count how many times they explain how lame a joke or a plot point is so it automatically becomes un-dumb.

Tinkeringbell

I don't watch romcoms. They make me want to puke.

M.A.R.

> Ded Moroz

That's my Russian sidekick

With a thick accent and a kalashnikov

Tinkeringbell

Sounds more like with training pants and loads of vodka to me :P

M.A.R.

8:19 PM

Yeah, Russian folklore.

@Tinkeringbell Can't argue with logic.

Tinkeringbell

Okay, that's enough stereotyping for today. I am still going to bed :P

M.A.R.

Goedenacht!

Tinkeringbell

Goedennacht!

M.A.R.

I should too. The days of freedom and prosperity are over, and waking up at 7 a.m. is haunting our lives.

410

6:15 here

Tinkeringbell

8:21 PM

Heh. I get to work from home tomorrow which means no pair programming, more chat during builds/tests/restarts, and sleeping in :P Still going though ;)

@410 22:21 ;)

M.A.R.

23:52

410

The waking up thing.

M.A.R.

That's just cruel

Heading to sleep, night

410

8:37 PM

Pchandrasekar

101 1

Member for 2 months. Some activity on TWP and Space.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@410 Lacks the staff bit

410

Starting Oct 1.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

In the past they could hand out staff bits without anyone noticing; now they can't

410

Better than the bozo bit.

Which isn't even marked in user profiles.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

9:22 PM

@JourneymanGeek Spam account: meta.stackexchange.com/users/616260/cbdwholesaledistro

ankii

10:04 PM

Does SE staff visit IPS meta? especially if the FR requires their attention.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

13

A: How do I get attention for old, unfixed bug reports and feature requests without official responses here on Meta?

For issues raised here on Meta.SE, the advice in Sonic's answer about editing to clarify or answering to strengthen the argument is sound. Especially for feature requests, sometimes the actual request (in the question) is poorly-argued but a strong answer can help. Requests or arguments based o...

If SE staff has not responded to a per-site meta request that's received a lot of community support, you can ask a local moderator to escalate that request to the CMs

410

Ironically, this thread is status-review since last October.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Putting a status tag on this so I can pick it up again soon as we solidify how meta and our behind-the-scenes bug tracker coordinate, and one of the first goals is to show a better sense of presence (is it being worked on? if not, when? Is it even being tracked? Can we give users agency into how priorities get set? Etc) Anyway, more to come, but this is a great reference point for more visibility into internals. — Tim Post ♦ Oct 31 '18 at 18:23

Clearly, this hasn't happened yet.

410

I'm not getting a better sense of presence.

ankii

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog well the voting is poor on the post.

But I feel that's due to lack of conversation about it on chat

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

10:08 PM

@410 Also, IIRC I'm the user with the highest number of status-review posts here

ankii

if I had discussed it beforehand, it might be better

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

> That part about support is important; get your community to show up and vote on meta.

Sorry, clipboard error

ankii

ah found that in Monica's post

0

Q: Improving "Other" Flag text for uniformity in close vote comments

For questions like this (not calling out, it's just recent and an apt example) . . How can I read faster? . . and comments like these . . I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this question is not related to interpersonal skills. . . which: vary user-to-user and are n...

discussion close-reasons custom-close-reasons

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

That's what I linked to

410

UMZ #10: How do we handle Sonic?

ankii

10:10 PM

it was long

Optimus Prime

More than greta's protest, I'm interested in A51 storming

ankii

Actually I may have misunderstood your intent - if you mean changing the pre-filled text in the free-form text box, we would need a SE employee to do that, mods can only add new (static text) reasons. — Em C ♦ yesterday

well summarised.

bringing it up here(Meta) would require me to know what the close voters see (>3k) in the "other" close reason, in some other sites. I am currently a close voter only on IPS

410

It's the same everywhere

> I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because

ankii

@410 So it would be helpful.. ?

410

My favorite approach there was to delete "because".

The reason cannot be submitted as is, but changing it does not require adding text.

ankii

10:21 PM

as mentioned in the meta post, " are non-informative about where to look for help on on-topic questions" This is the main concern.

People should know where to look for closure reasons. Not everyone comments with magic links

Em C

hi @ankii

ankii

\o

Actually we need as you said some official reply, but they may strike it off claiming poor votes.

I don't really any opposition. (except one -1 on CWiki answer, idk why).

It's just that there's no +1s

410

The post notice says "If this question can be reworded to fit the rules in the help center" which links to closed-questions

Em C

I haven't written an answer there yet bc I wanted to look up stats first

410

Which links to various things, including on-topic page.

Em C

10:26 PM

but yeah, what @410 said - the on-topic page is already linked if the question gets on hold

s/said/is saying :P

410

And SE is working on revising the post notices, so maybe the link will be better placed there... ?

Em C

oh yeah, that's a good point too

410

I suggest to shift your effort in that direction: seeing if that notice can be improved further.

ankii

that's a good chain you made

410

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Q: How could we improve our planned post notice improvements?

Megan has written a post on the Stack Overflow blog about changes that are planned/upcoming on the Stack Exchange platform. I've seen a bunch of discussion about it on chat - but it feels like having it purely on the blog is a little clunky. So specifically - what does the MSE community feel ab...

discussion closed-questions blog post-notices

ankii

10:27 PM

and good points too. Didnt really pay attention to the yellow banner

closed post won't let me flag other.

410

Still, the banner is only shown after the question is closed. And it gives no notification to OP.

Whereas your custom close reason is shown immediately and with a notification.

ankii

a lot of damage is done before closure.. Dvotes, no attention(comment/answer) and silently a bomb of closure. Silent closure is rare, but a comment early is best to have.

410

So/.//./....././//. maybe keep lobbying for that change. But I'm skeptical. The string is likely to be network-wide.

And if it's changed, the localized sites get an untranslated string and... it's a high bar to meet.

ankii

@410 what do they see in local sites?

Em C

@ankii could you post a screenshot of what it looks like to you?

ankii

10:32 PM

@EmC flag with rude, spam, mod attention. Otherwise reopen.

410

@ankii There is no free-form "reopen" reason like the close reason.

Em C

@ankii oh nvm, I misunderstood

ankii

@410 yeah I meant, when I needed the text, I didnt pay attention to already closed posts, so neither their banners.

410

If any text is changed network-wide, the new string in English gets automatically pushed to localized sites, and they will have to work to replace it with translation. It's work. And repetitive one.

ankii

well I'm in dilemma. As you said.. keep lobbying. I am not very hopeful about FRs. (recent issues. )

I can try to put be nice references and see how it goes

Thanks a lot for the input!

Journeyman Geek

11:15 PM

Keep lobbying probably dosen't work any more imo

The best you can do with an FR is get attention

Journeyman Geek

11:37 PM

More specifically - its impossible to tell who is or reach your intended audience when metaing if you're actually trying to get something changed

its easier with incremental changes - but a lot of it is having your finger on the pulse of things and pushing things so they happen maybe even years down the road

410

Butterfly effect.

Journeyman Geek

Well or more or less taking a longer term view of things

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