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ymb1

9:06 PM

why would a review be invalidated? it's currently +1/-3, the UV timestamp is after the invalidation timestamp, and I've been unable to find an answer on MSE -- the flag is new, marked helpful, so it wasn't a discarded (skipped) review (screenshot to follow)

Tinkeringbell

Is that on a question or an answer?

ymb1

answer

Tinkeringbell

Well, it seems the post is deleted now. That would probably mark your flag helpful but get it out of the queue?

Or was the deleting after the invalidating?

ymb1

it's not deleted, that's just the timeline's color scheme for reviews

nor was it deleted/undeleted

Tinkeringbell

@ymb1 can I have a link to the timeline?

ymb1

9:09 PM

@Tinkeringbell sure thing aviation.stackexchange.com/posts/69800/timeline

Tinkeringbell

Edits do that. Let me see...

No wait, that makes them end up disputed :/

Hmm. I'm stumped on this one :/

ymb1

is it something only a site-mod can know?

Tinkeringbell

@ymb1 Probably, yes. Mod timelines do show a bit more. I have this answer meta.stackexchange.com/a/329080/369802 from a while ago that clearly lists some stuff that can invalidate reviews, perhaps they can check if one of those things happened.

Shog9

@ymb1 if the flag was handled by a mod, that would invalidate the review.

ymb1

@Shog9 but if handled, say "looks ok", wouldn't that make the flag itself at the least disputed?

Shog9

9:20 PM

Mods can just say "helpful" and do nothing. Flag is handled, review is invalidated, nothing else happens.

An edit to the answer will do the same thing for VLQ flags

(mark the flag as helpful, invalidate the review, leave the answer undeleted)

ymb1

the post was edited, but none of the edit timestamps match the invalidation timestamp

Shog9

nothing will match the invalidation timestamp

ymb1

I see

Shog9

the queue syncs every few minutes; tasks that are no longer valid are discarded at that time

Tinkeringbell

@Shog9 They do, are you sure? Most stuff I found said edits mark VLQ flags disputed, not helpful.

Shog9

9:22 PM

try it and see...

IIRC they disputed until ~2013 or thereabouts

John Dvorak

Bring back disputed, please!

Tinkeringbell

@Shog9 Oh. Guess I just found the old posts then ;) I'm on mobile, didn't look too closely. Sorry!

john

9:50 PM

@MetaAndrewT. it's not my fault

I bought the computer in 2015, didn't find Chromium builds; building Chromium was such a pain, I'ven't made again.

Nice to know you've been mayors, check out github.com/JimmySnails/Cytopia it's early, but is something. :)

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Journeyman Geek

10:58 PM

@john teeeeehniccalllyyyy....

hmm chromium.woolyss.com seems to have updated chromium builds. though there's actual, and pretty nice alternatives around

john

mmhm maybe that existed in 2015 but I distrusted - I don't trust it today

Journeyman Geek

then maybe its time to build a new one.

The web's evolving very fast and outdated browsers are a security risk as well

john

it's a browser only for SE. I hadn't used it for anything since GitHub deprecated it. But it's the only one I can properly use for SE

Journeyman Geek

uhm

What fo you use elsewhere?

john

I take good care not to open anything external, I copy and move the link to Opera open there

Journeyman Geek

11:07 PM

SE only supports/tests for the last 2 versions of any supported browser

john

haha, I just left a job where IE 7 and 8 where still supported

Journeyman Geek

(granted I run unsupported browsers and don't have issues but I run the latest versions of falkon and vivaldi)

john

I count SE still supports IE9 then

Journeyman Geek

IE11 actually

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john

Meta Andrew T already sent me there :)

Journeyman Geek

11:10 PM

with good reason

john

I'll rebuild when SE stops working. Feels like chances are either I'll drop bored of browsing SE daily, or I'll install Debian in the host; before you break my pet CHromium 47.

Journeyman Geek

technically its already broken ;p

john

I'll have a look in cvedetails

(using my Opera browser)

Journeyman Geek

also, I miss the old presto based opera :/

(vivaldi is slowly getting to the same feature-ness on blink and isn't chinese owned...)

ankii

may I hop in ?

john

11:16 PM

whoah surprisingly low chromium cvedetails compared to chrome or, say, gitlab
but that makes no sense

Journeyman Geek

@ankii ONE DOES NOT MERELY WALK INTO MORDOR....

chat is fine though

ankii

@JourneymanGeek Have you heard Storm by Vivaldi?

I had this ready to send after affirmation

Journeyman Geek

@ankii no

I mean the browser ;p

ankii

ohh, I just saw opera etc.. do listen if it interests you. youtube.com/watch?v=NqAOGduIFbg

I wanted to ask if there had been any discussions about diamond mods being able to hide the diamond

or just be a normal user, like VTC without closing it single handedly(or with 1-2 votes behind them)

john

@ankii you have my bow, er, vote

ArtOfCode

11:22 PM

many many discussions

ankii

@ArtOfCode could see any on meta.. My searching skills are so bad *-*

Journeyman Geek

@ankii I'd almost ask why, but MSE's a site I've sometimes wished I could do that ;p

ankii

@JourneymanGeek ummm . . . asking for a friend xd

Journeyman Geek

@ankii that said there's good arguements against it in general

On most main sites - in day to day usage, it shouldn't matter

When the diamond matters we're using our diamondy powers (say to closehammer or such)

On per site meta, the hat matters

On MSE, its... confusing

ankii

yeah I agree, the opposition is strong.

in Ask Different Chat on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 25 mins ago, by LangLangC

Or just voice their user role, but "diamonds are forever" 'influencing' people. (Well, and I suspect as well that it mods might often feel that that is actually too often not the case. Being restricted from acting normally and seen as normal users on SE)

@JourneymanGeek how so ?

in Ask Different Chat on The Stack Exchange Network Chat that's quite a description

Journeyman Geek

11:28 PM

We have community mods (who have diamonds and shouldn't be taken as canonical), CMs and Devs (who have diamonds mostly and speak from a position of slightly deeper knowledge and might be canonical) but also non diamond staffers who might be the subject matter experts in some things (and could be taken as canonical)

ankii

yeah that's true..

Journeyman Geek

But on say SU

ankii

guess the discussion is closed there(AD chat) too..

Journeyman Geek

Actually kinda ongoing

but no one's really that sure of how best to handle it

In the past there was a staff page but there's multiple good reasons not to have it

ohhhh

@ankii you just... act as a normal user and you are

I wouldn't be a moderator if I didn't have influence

and that dosen't go away when I take off the hat

ankii

"I influence therefore I am dia-mo(n)d" - Descartes

just an edit with diamond + diamond moderator..

john

11:37 PM

diamond operator is not cool anymore, now spaceship operator is all the rage

ah, diamond moderator, yeah

yea I've seen you doin terrible things

specially you Community<>

Journeyman Geek

11:55 PM

@ankii actually kinda yes

The most important tool of a moderator is surprise... no wait, that's the inquisition

Its the ability to convince people to do the right thing. ;p

ankii

When I was new, every mod I saw was high rep.. thought: wow, at least somewhere, being able to talk well doesn't matter

just answer and participate.. not much decor required for the messages.

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