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11:01 AM

@rene regarding that user who copied your screenshot, looks like a troll or spammer, since they also have a deleted account on other site: chemistry.stackexchange.com/users/79089/jimmy-benjamin

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

11:16 AM

A little announcement: I've analyzed every anonymous edit made to this site since I deleted my previous account in November 2013 to the time I recreated my current account in December 2017. I've gone through each edit and determined which ones are mine and which ones aren't. Here's the chart: 1drv.ms/x/s!AqtMgKjEFIvOgcYhXA4N97y_V6hYIw (cc @Shadow)

If you look at the year before I created my account on December 10, 2017, you'll see that I've made at least 280 out of 305 edits, or 92%.

Overall, I've confirmed to have contributed at least 318 out of 419 edits, plus maybe around ~10-20 more.

Shadow Wizard

Congrats, I guess? :)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

For the benefit of those who want to analyze the data...

Mithrandir

I kinda doubt that anyone besides you actually cares about the data... At this point it's really giving off the impression that you're just going "HEY REMEMBER I DID THIS" for the attention.

Like, cool, great, thanks. But there's no reason to keep bringing it up again and again and again and again.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Well, I actually started this analysis in March 2017, just as everyone was reeling in from it. I burned out with around 50 more edits remaining to analyze, then I discovered this file during a drive cleanout, so I figured I'd finish it now.

@Mithrandir Point me to the last time I brought it up before this one.

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir hmm? When did he bring it up before? (In this way)

When we do something good, it's OK to brag a bit.

But yeah, there's a line somewhere.

looking for the line

found a flower instead

e.g. I brag sometimes about being King of Pings. :D

(uh, well, that's not example of something good, but meh.... ;))

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

11:24 AM

A quick search reveals the last time to be one month ago (though that wasn't bragging), then the time it could remotely be considered bragging November 2018

And if bragging about it once every six months crosses the line, I'd be surprised.

There was also one mention in December 2018, though that wasn't bragging either.

Shadow Wizard

There's this one:

Mar 19 '18 at 21:04, by Ano

Over spring break, I've been working on checking each anonymous edit made since my first one in January 2014 and my coming out in early December. After having checked all but 48 of the 413 anonymous edits made during that time period, I've counted 312 as by me, 46 as by others, and 6 as "unknown" (as in, I don't remember). While this isn't the actual count, I can definitively state that I've made 300+ anonymous edits here.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6 mins ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Well, I actually started this analysis in March 2017, just as everyone was reeling in from it. I burned out with around 50 more edits remaining to analyze, then I discovered this file during a drive cleanout, so I figured I'd finish it now.

(2018, not 2017, that was a typo)

Shadow Wizard

oh lol

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Plus it's March 2018 which is 8 months before the next brag

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir If they do, you just gave them attention ;) I'm going to recommend that if people are uninterested in discussing this data they just ignore it and don't have conversations about it. :)

Shadow Wizard

11:33 AM

!!/coffee data

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Affogato for @data

Shadow Wizard

!!/tea Marg

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of darjeeling tea for @Marg

Shadow Wizard

Mar is taken by other user.... since you ditched the dots.... :/

Tinkeringbell

I could use an extra latte. Perhaps in a few minutes, during refinement :)

rene

11:41 AM

@ShadowWizard yeah, it looks like someone who was bored and/or experimenting. We dealt with it, right?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

!!/latte Tinkeringbell

SmokeDetector

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog No such command 'latte'.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Darn.

!!/coffee Tink

SmokeDetector

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog brews a cup of Espresso for @Tink

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Will that do?

Oh, almost forgot the stroopwafels

Rob

11:43 AM

Smokey's just brewing the coffee, says nothing about giving it to the person afterwards :)

Tinkeringbell

I'll take a stroopwafel then ;) I drink latte's because they contain a lot of milk, an espresso would be too bitter for me :)

Rob

Also, that command brings me way back to the good old irc days

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

All café. No smoke.

@Rob Pretty much all coffee shops here in the States are counter service

Anyone got the new Pixel 3a?

Tinkeringbell

Not me.. Pixel is a Google brand, right?

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Shadow Wizard

11:54 AM

@rene left

Journeyman Geek

It's kinda like the Nexus but more googly

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

As a Nexus 6P upgrader I find it the 90% perfect phone to upgrade to

It was a great phone, but over time it kept facing increasingly worse problems. It wasn't running the latest Android well, one of the two speakers would randomly cut out, it stopped being supported in December 2018, and eventually the fingerprint sensor failed. The last straw was a cracked screen, so I immediately upgraded to the Pixel 3a XL.

It's quite a massive upgrade from the Nexus, and being a new phone it will be supported for longer

Rob

90%?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

One of the two stereo speakers is bottom-facing, so it lacks true dual front-facing stereo speakers, a feature of the Nexus model. But otherwise it's perfect...

Tinkeringbell

I have a OnePlus (5, I think)... works amazingly well for me. Was also a pretty great upgrade from my previous phone, which was a geriatric samsung ;)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

11:58 AM

It costs less than $500, considering that that's how much the Nexus 6P cost

If you're willing to go smaller, then it's only $400

Shadow Wizard

And tiny? $300?

My phone cost $320 and it's pretty fine.

It's not small at all, just... Chinese. :D

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard Speaking of tiny...I spotted this at the store. A normal-sized phone is on the right for comparison.

Mithrandir

How do you define a "normal-sized" phone?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Too bad Xiaomi doesn't sell in the U.S. market, and hasn't for years...

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I love the form factor.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

12:02 PM

@Mithrandir It's a Pixel 3 XL (non-A)

never mind, edited

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog so? These days you can order anything over the internet. The phone I bought isn't being sold in Israel.

John Dvorak

J5 here. Cheap yet good. Great size.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Import duties from China have increased...

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak better than jQuery?!

oh it's 5

Saw it as JS. ROFL

John Dvorak

It can run jQuery, too

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

12:03 PM

Plus consumer electronics are cheaper in the U.S. than anywhere else.

@JohnDvorak Galaxy J5?

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog already?? Thought Trump's tweet will take actual effect only in June.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

The J series is budget or midrange?

42 secs ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Plus consumer electronics are cheaper in the U.S. than anywhere else.

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir measure all phones, make average? ;)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Finally, rather than wait a while and be forced to use my cracked Nexus for possibly a month, I wanted a new phone now, from a brand that actually sells phones in the States.

John Dvorak

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yes

Shadow Wizard

12:05 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog fair point

When my screen broke I had to order a new one from China and wait few weeks, yeah.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

My budget was $500, the same price as my Nexus, and at $480 the Pixel 3a XL came under that budget while supporting 90% of features I was accustomed to

John Dvorak

I once had an off-brand phone for $50. It was junk but it still lasted me a long time.

Shadow Wizard

With snake, I hope?

John Dvorak

It was technically an Android, but it had the memory of a floppy disc (B:), and anything more complex than a graphing calculator would keep crashing due to insufficient RAM

Shadow Wizard

I once had a phone with some helicopter game I forgot its name.... can't find the game now. :(

John Dvorak

12:09 PM

it finally died when it ran out of internal memory and couldn't boot.

My mother bought an Element P002. It doesn't have a screen lock key, but it does have a flappy helicopter game.

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak wait... what game??

John Dvorak

10 kpx. Not width. Total.

Shadow Wizard

Might be the one I'm looking for.... :D

John Dvorak

It's a spaceship / helicopter flying through an increasingly tight tunnel / obstacle course, and all you could do was rise slowly or freefall.

(or tap the button to reset freefall velocity)

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak flappy bird style?! lol

John Dvorak

12:15 PM

The splash screen shows a helicopter, but the in-game sprite is a sorta-spaceship

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Don't forget that every Android phone since Lollipop has a built-in Flappy Droid game

Shadow Wizard

Well, not what I had back in the day.... 15-ish years ago... there was helicopter that could fire missiles or throw bombs, and he goal was to eliminate all enemy forces.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

(In Nougat the official access path was removed, but it's still there; it can be accessed through a helper app)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard striker!

Shadow Wizard

hmm

Journeyman Geek

12:17 PM

Dos Game Review: Striker

►

Rob

You might say my phone has gone commando, but it's actually quite secure; and doesn't stick out like a dog.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek That looks CGA

Rob

How the Galaxy S9 Tactical Edition Is Transforming Mission Operations

►

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek no... not DOS. It was on my (non smart) phone.

Before smartphones even existed.

@Rob my phone didn't have cover for few months, I didn't know it doesn't arrive with one. I was weird to hold a phone without any cover. lol

John Dvorak

oooh, phone covers. I feel old.

Shadow Wizard

12:19 PM

Guess I can look at all 2000-2005 games.... too lazy....

John Dvorak

My favorite game from that era is Scorched Earth.

Rob

My MilSpec cover certainly adds some weight, and it's annoying to have to remove it for the goggles, but it's drop proof.

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak awesome game! Played it for years with my nephews after family dinners. :D

Favorite weapon: Funky Bomb.

Though they usually just used Death Head and won. So unfair. :(

John Dvorak

My favorite: bouncy walls, 10x magshield, max boom power, launch a death's head

Shadow Wizard

hmm... sounds like you played some fancy advanced version

Rob

12:23 PM

Missile Command, with the large inertial trackball, was one of my favorites.

Shadow Wizard

Too bad it became really buggy on Windows 7 and 10, got stuck frequently.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yup

No Distraction Wizard

1:56 PM

Hot Meta Post (and important too):

20

Q: Does meta have to mean murder?

It's often said on this site that meta means murder and that this acts as a deterrent. Our site, which is supposed to act as the central clearinghouse for network-wide matters, doesn't have a great rep despite the good efforts of many people here. Using a system designed for objective(ish) Q&A,...

user302202

2:07 PM

It's a large critical audience. (Come to think of it, it's not that large, but it makes up for size in being extra critical.)

user302202

I do like gnat's suggestion about hiding comments on Meta, though.

No Distraction Wizard

I have a more radical proposal by mixing Magisch Geek's answers... but too lazy to write :x

John Dvorak

located and downvoted Gnat's proposal

user302202

Hm, is this a good suggestion or a bad one? Let's check the comments... oh, it's a bad one. DV.

user302202

Also, why does it even matter? If SO-the-company likes the idea of chatty system comments, they can go ahead with it all the same, whether the proposal is at -30 or +30.

John Dvorak

2:11 PM

This suggestion seems reasonable... Oh, wait, the comment by User314276 shows why it cannot work. Dow... Oh, wait, I didn't read the comment. Upvote!

Journeyman Geek

@NoDistractionWizard eh, My original idea was a little more extreme

user302202

A two-line comment hardly "shows" anything as much as expresses a belief.

Journeyman Geek

but I was doubtful that fundamentally changing how meta works would be feasable

No Distraction Wizard

Basically:
1. Only allow 1 "required tag" because mixing them is confusing and open to "abuse" (is this tagged with [support]? but it's also tagged with [feature-request]! *dv*)
2. Abolish downvote penalty
3. Only allow downvote on [discussion]

Journeyman Geek

@NoDistractionWizard then everyone avoids discussion ;p

John Dvorak

2:13 PM

#2 and #3 don't make sense together. Additionally, even #3 alone is bad.

user302202

From personal experience: "If we add an optional filter by reputation, NOBODY will see the posts by new users, and the site will collapse" does not show anything. It reiterates a wrong idea of how people use site settings. But the conversation stops there, everyone now sees the proposal is bad.

No Distraction Wizard

That's why it's radical. Even yesterday's proposal in jest about giving +1 for downvote as consolation reward.

user302202

@NoDistractionWizard Remember the score I got when I proposed removing DV penalty?

user302202

(checking) -20

Journeyman Geek

@VoteDukakis that's part of the fun of meta. People love their sacred cows and challenging them is hard

user302202

2:16 PM

That somehow didn't require disassociation of the post, though.

John Dvorak

I got to go now. Please don't ruin the site while I'm away! (Or afterwards, for that matter)

Journeyman Geek

Well you'd need to request it

besides, you do occationally dump your accounts and make new ones ;p

user302202

Spring cleaning...

user302202

> Do you want to be a vampire,still in human,having talented brain turning to a vampire in a good posture in ten mines time to a human again, with out delaying in a good human posture

user302202

Sure. What wouldn't people do to have a good posture...

user302202

2:20 PM

Throw in the promise of weight loss with the all-blood diet, and I'm in.

No Distraction Wizard

Oh yeah, about the comment, while some comments themselves might be problematic, the inbox notification to the OP is more problematic on Hot Comment Post... like getting 20+ notifications in a short time..?

I actually want to propose to automatically create a chat room for a meta post as the only comment, then disable the comment thread. But that's also too radical.

In the end, it's Meta Radical Exchange...

user302202

2:38 PM

Meta Emotional Exchange

John Dvorak

@JourneymanGeek wait, isn't that illegal?

user302202

I'm unaware of any U.S. federal or state law on the subject, at least.

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak only if you do it to get around system restrictions

Which isn't the case here

user302202

Unrelated: the custom question filter looks so under-powered that I can't even bother enabling it for testing.

No Distraction Wizard

You mean it lacks of reputation filter?

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