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Rob

12:38 AM

@SonictheWizardWerehog I thought either it might work with Dev or someone else would recognize the name and take a look. As to your question, yes.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@Rob Nope, they have to be pingable. (Though inviting them works too)

...as does replying to a really old message of theirs

Rob

I didn't really want to comment-spam the other report linked from there. The 9-5 workday is over in North America so it's a problem for someone to look at tomorrow. The additional reports there are only one in more than 20 hours, so no need to chime the klaxon. Thanks for mentioning that.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@Rob Not in Hawaii (jk)

Rob

12:59 AM

Hope you enjoyed that sound.

Rob

2:20 AM

@Mithrandir The Mayo Clinic has an article on the most accurate way to measure temperature - 'nuf said.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

3:07 AM

I guess my $7 IKEA thermometer was a waste...

Hey, it's also a timer, so maybe not completely?

forest

6:10 AM

When someone is ignored, is there any way to hide the little user icon?

Magisch

The icon that they're in chat?

forest

Yeah, which indicates when they reply, etc.

Magisch

prolly only via userscript

Not sure if one exists already for chat

forest

I want to forget someone exists so I can keep myself calm and it's hard when a little icon is tempting me to unignore them to see their replies.

oh

Lemme see if I can just delete the icon in inspect element.

@Magisch I temporarily ignored you and removed your icon from the DOM. Can you say something so I can see if it re-appears?

Then I'll un-ignore.

Magisch

@forest Something to see if it reappears

forest

6:14 AM

It didn't re-appear, yay!

Ok this is better.

Magisch

It's questionable you would need to ignore someone like that, but eh

user choice

forest

Well the alternative is that my poor self control leads me to unignore them each time I see the icon show activity, and then get myself banned from the network for reacting in anger. There are few things that really make me hate someone, but the few things that do tend to agitate me enough that it's better if I just ignore them.

(See? I can be a responsible user!)

lmao what a spam post

> WILLING AND READY TO
SERVE THE ILLUMINATI BROTHERHOOD

lmfao

Magisch

6:30 AM

extremely confidence inspiring that they couldn't spell "illuminati temple" right in the title

forest

"illiminate" oh god

I'm dumbfounded that people can actually fall for that.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

...that's three choices of words

Magisch

@forest This is actually a common tactic in scam attempts. Did you notice that every scam attempt has a tell?

forest

Yeah I've noticed that they often have terrible grammar and the like.

But at least the scammers I've known are genuinely lazy mofos who can't spell.

Magisch

Either poor grammar, something doesn't add up, no plausible path to it not being a scam, etc. This isn't because scammers are inept. They're pre-filtering their marks so only people gullible enough to actually go through get roped in by the initial fishing

forest

6:34 AM

So I think the craziness of the scam itself is for filtering their marks, but the typos (lazy people who are bad at English) and grammatical mistakes (problems when using spintax content generators) are not.

I almost managed to scam money from a scammer last year, but screwed it up by asking for too much. Made them think I was in a worse off position than them after keeping the email thread going (after they knew that I knew it was a scam).

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Followed James Veitch's advice?

forest

I know who that is but I don't know much about him.

Just saw the TED talk ages ago.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

6:56 AM

So inclined to tweet a screenshot of the recent "distraction" rant (with names redacted)...

Decided not to do it, people will search for it and find it anyway.

Magisch

@SonictheWizardWerehog Why?

forest

link?

Magisch

To show how someone going on a rant gets downvoted?

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@forest link

forest

On Meta?

ty

Oh that's a silly rant.

Why would anyone get distracted by feminism?

For all the problems it has, causing distractions isn't one of them.

Also that seems like a troll lol

Magisch

7:01 AM

It's a claim asserted with no evidence, so it can be dismissed with no evidence. No need to try and analyze it to find a point there, there ain't one.

If you believe it is a troll then do the correct thing by not feeding it

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

It's something I don't like, something I feel about, but at the same time I don't want to counter-productively drive traffic to it

stroopwafels

forest

As a retired troll I can say that trolls are very hungry.

They need feeding or they die.

That's why successful trolls have a big audience. :P

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@Magisch And that's exactly what I did. Didn't let my internal bias against them creep up.

Appears that a CM went the same route, but with no success either.

Get Answer Wizard

Yay! Popcorn!

forest

Well it was closed so.

Not like it matters. SE is best trolled via Twitter, not Meta. lol

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

7:06 AM

@forest I know their MO: they catch on to an extremely minor side point in the others' reply, then rebut it hoping they'll rebut that instead, which derails the conversation. Fortunately, I'm immune to that, because I phrase my messages in such a way that it's not possible to catch on to that.

That seemed to have left them in a bind.

forest

The kind of folks I used to hang out with (ED trolls) are a lot more effective.

They tend to succeed in a war of attrition using pure offense.

Hell, I can't even give the acronym of some of the troll groups for fear of getting banned lol. That's how effective many of them are (or were).

But I think that's true for troll groups and communities, not individuals.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Is this a good anti-troll reply?

forest

Nah that just feeds them with attention.

The most effective tactic against trolls is hellbanning.

But I don't think SE's software supports that.

Magisch

I don't think we need to springboard this into a whole conversation about the mechanics of trolling

forest

It's interesting though!

There's a lot more to trolling than most people think.

ArtOfCode

7:11 AM

@Sonic "don't feed the troll" means "don't respond", not "respond in a way you think is clever enough to beat them"... because that's exactly how they work.

forest

Especially since nowadays half of all "trolls" are of the "post something controversial and be really annoying" type, which is incredibly unsophisticated.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

You know what? I'm done. Let's see how they fare against the Twitter overlords.

forest

lol

Magisch

sigh

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

just kidding, testing for reactions

forest

7:16 AM

So recon? :P

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Actually, after the recent reply to my comment, I'm beginning to change my mind.

forest

about?

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

I really don't know if I should go through with the tweet.

forest

Well, do you want to give ammo to trolls?

They live and breath sites like Twitter.

Magisch

Can we change the topic now

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

7:20 AM

Sure

Magisch

This is becoming irritating

forest

ok

Magisch

I heard you can get stroopwaffels with strawberry jam as stroop

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@Magisch You wouldn't mind if we continued the discussion in a different room?

Magisch

I can't stop you and don't care

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

7:23 AM

@Magisch So "stroop" refers to the filling? I didn't know that

Magisch

I assume it does

I saw one that had nutella as filling and was dipped in molten chocolate on top

extremely tasty but also high in calories, I guess

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

I know chocolate can

Speaking of which, I've been out of stroopwafels for a while, I need to go order some more...

forest

You guys are making me hungry. :(

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

and the parrot ~~swoops~~ stroops in

Magisch

morning @Tinkeringbell

Tinkeringbell

7:25 AM

Morning!

Magisch

Stroopwaffels is like tinker beetlejuice. Say it three times, tinkeringbell appears

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch hahaha actually... if you call it 'waffels' once more Imma get angry :P

Magisch

wafels?

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Yep ;)

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/11334605/persatuan-insurans-am-malaysia

Get Answer Wizard

7:30 AM

Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Stroopwafels.

Tinkeringbell

7:40 AM

Ugh. Now I want stroopwafels :D

Get Answer Wizard

8:11 AM

... using Google DNS at office broke my internet O_O

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell get those filled with nutella and dipped in molten chocolate

Tinkeringbell

You're making stuff worse, not better :P

Mithrandir

Here, have some bobka instead...

Magisch

8:27 AM

@Tinkeringbell if you let your imagination run wild, you can smell them :p

fresh double chocolate stroopwafels

Tinkeringbell

Ugh. Ah well, I can go shopping this afternoon and get some :D

ocæon

9:13 AM

i heard chocolate

thanks tinkeringbell, hands are near falling off, and it does make a difference for others

ArtOfCode

Urgh, I've got to be at work until 10pm

Won't that be fun

ocæon

@SonictheWizardWerehog added brief edit, need a break and i'll come back to it though it may be too late

Magisch

9:54 AM

@ArtOfCode fun in the climbing park?

Journeyman Geek

@JNat stackexchange.com/users/11334605/… an insurance spammer who actually posted, for your gentle attention with doom and fire.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JourneymanGeek Can moderators clear a user's network profile username and bio, or is an SE employee needed for that?

3 hours ago, by Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JNat Cross-site spammer: https://stackexchange.com/users/11334605/persatuan-insurans-am-malaysia

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheWizardWerehog No

That's something we'd probably want/love better tooling for eventually

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

So that's why that part of my flag hasn't been handled despite the whole thing getting marked helpful.

Presumably the mod handling it put in a CM request to clear it

Tinkeringbell

10:21 AM

You're missing area51 perhaps?

user437611

Yeah, just figured. :P

Tinkeringbell

@Blue Scrolling is the easiest way :P

user437611

I expected it should be possible to write up a query from Data Explorer...but that's not gonna update till Sunday. :P

user312109

11:30 AM

Cheerio everyone today's topic is second class users or user who are disqualified from running for office? Can anyone run for Moderator and had a moderator ever been hired on by Stack exchange?

user312109

I'm thinking about college and would like to know what classes to start with? Other than English classes?

Mithrandir

...are those two questions in any way related?

Journeyman Geek

Muze is musing

ocæon

@JourneymanGeek amuzing!

@Muze there are no classes now chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7639818#7639818 we're all suspended

ocæon

11:51 AM

@Muze meta.stackexchange.com/q/135360/505013 all other questions about becoming a moderator are being closed as duplicates of that one

user302202

12:47 PM

@Muze "had a moderator ever been hired on by Stack exchange?" is answered by meta.stackexchange.com/a/259883 if I understand the question.

user302202

Could someone make that answer a CW... (Catija is missing)

user302202

FR: answers by deleted users should become CW automatically.

Magisch

1:19 PM

it's a sea ... of blue!

next level combinatoric punnery: there's a timber post with a cat on it :D

ocæon

1:38 PM

@Magisch oh yeah, i getz it! ... darn replying moved my userpic

Get Answer Wizard

1:56 PM

Huff...

TGIF!

away from zzz

Journeyman Geek

2:35 PM

@Magisch .....

defenestrates the cactuse pot an all 🌵

Mithrandir

@Magisch I just can't wait for the Team Tim Post Post Post.

Get Answer Wizard

Wait until Tim found his keys, and you'd get flooded with upvotes...

Mithrandir

3:42 PM

the tim post cat post post

Tinkeringbell

5:02 PM

I think it's time to start lame glue puns :P

Feeds

5:31 PM

[five years later] Ok, it seems we were accidentally zoomed in slightly too far. But imagine there's a cool-looking twisted accretion disc just outside this black square!

EKons

6:01 PM

@Feeds pitch drop experiment be like

user302202

6:46 PM

> Arts and Crafts and Interpersonal Skills meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/64017

user302202

I know it looks weird but how else could I put this. Feel free to improve the suggestion.

Tinkeringbell

@AskQuestionWizard Use a &?

user302202

That's not the official name of the site.

Tinkeringbell

Ah. Hmmm.

EKons

I think she meant the second "and"... :P

but yeah that would be confusing

user302202

6:52 PM

That'd look even weirder and inconsistent with the rest.

Tinkeringbell

Or just link both, so one of the ands isn't blue?

user302202

Or use italics for site names.

Tinkeringbell

That a good one too

Get Answer Wizard

+2.78 for italics

thankfully, no one is from Beer, Wine & Spirits

user302202

7:05 PM

> Beer, Wine & Spirits & Unix & Linux

user302202

Fortunately, nobody was elected on both.

user302202

What's the name of Joel's new dog?

user302202

And I think Joel's phone number is visible on the full size image

user302202

or is that some pet recovery service

user302202

Tinkeringbell

7:25 PM

@AskQuestionWizard Where'd you get that?

Journeyman Geek

9:13 PM

I'd guess his blog

But where on it...

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@AskQuestionWizard Looks like a pet recovery service. 1-888 is one of several codes that represents a toll-free number here in the States.

@AskQuestionWizard Yes it is.

Arts & Crafts

(view the Markdown source of the above two messages)

I think I found a bug. But trying to reproduce the full extent of it will require a chat bot, as it's extremely tedious to do so manually.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

9:33 PM

This bug specifically. It would be really nice if someone wrote me a chat bot to post links to all designed sites in chat (into a different room), so I can see which sites are affected by it.

Catija

10:05 PM

@SonictheWizardWerehog You don't have to test them all... it's pretty much just going to be the artwork that changed as part of the site redesign. Android is an outlier because their chat design didn't change.

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek I made an even worse one in german today

The german word for struggle "Straucheln" is very similar to bush or random plant "Strauch" so I commented that the small bush they have in the office looks like its struggling

One guy from order processing threw a leaf at me :p

user302202

10:45 PM

@Tinkeringbell From Joel's post about the next CEO. The version republished on SO.blog did not include pictures.

user302202

BTW, found a decently sized image of Taco as a puppy (the blog had a thumbnail of this one)

Catija

There's a bunch of images of Taco on his Twitter.

#tbt to the @MilkBone days of my youth. @trello

Tweeted by TacoTrello on April 9, 2015 at 5:39 PM

user302202

11:04 PM

But I could not find anything about Taco's successor except that one photo. Joel's instagram is now private...

user302202

Something tells me CS50 does not have much voting going on.

user302202

Megan got her PM diamond.

user302202

Something new: Codepass "automatically finds solutions to your coding errors while building a historical knowledge base of trusted solutions".

ocæon

knowing nothing of the megan of whom you speak, i'm still inclined to say ~yay~!

user302202

11:16 PM

I guess Megan is the new Joe, but this is unconfirmed.

ocæon

such unconfirmed, much sigh

Catija

@AskQuestionWizard She is the new DAG PM, yes. :) And she's awesome.

user302202

So it's still DAGteam and not MEGteam...

Catija

?

user302202

I thought this could be an opportunity to rename the team.

user302202

11:25 PM

15

A: Meet Team DAG! (Developer Affinity & Growth)

Not an answer, but a plea. Please Please change the name. This is an Australian word that is used frequently. a lock of wool matted with dung hanging from the hindquarters of a sheep. more commonly: In Australia, it is often used as an affectionate insult for someone who is, or is pe...

Catija

Not my call.

ocæon

@AskQuestionWizard uh.. wow. that is a bit vivid

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