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user302202

2:08 AM

> Many cos are irrationally paranoid about this. I used to be a top contrib on @StackOverflow before I joined Amazon, but then I had to stop because posting on SO was prohibited. The justification was that all source code we wrote belonged to the company and by posting a Q or A ...

user302202

> ... on SO we could leak important trade secrets and "cause irreparable harm to the company". We were trusted with root access in prod, but the lawyers thought it was important to threaten punishment, incl but not limited to termination of employment, if we posted an answer on SO. -- Daniel Vassallo at 4:32 PM - 21 Mar 2019

Rob

Sounds like termination of employment there wouldn't be such a bad thing

Bookends

2:26 AM

Hmm... spammy morning

Bookends

4:01 AM

> I agree, as it is always required at stackoverflow, when it is code, show your code. This is the way it works. Others correct your code and third users use the clean one. The user is happy and the planet remains cleaner while answer use to optimize the computer expenditure.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

4:50 AM

!!/watch medhos\.in

SmokeDetector

@SonictheWizardWerehog You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#2764 for you.

Shree

5:18 AM

!!/approve 2764

Aibobot

5:53 AM

Saw what?

Travis J

Hm? Talking to yourself again?

3

I want a bot, but my socks always get lost in the laundry.

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

You don't need socks for dogpuppetry

Aibobot

(aibobot is on my office PC and I needed a link to help sort out my current bad idea ;p)

Travis J

Heh, code comments get a little out of hand the later night gets

rene

8:32 AM

... and more .... I would argue the quality ban isn't strict enough ...

Bookends

9:11 AM

Super late drama... Why do minor edits by an answer's author discredit major edits by other people?

rene

@Bookends I don't have time for this ...

Bookends

tl;dr: OP edited an answer with 90% changes, the answerer edited it with 1% change, OP was no longer shown as the "editor", OP got mad.

(1 min read)

rene

Appreciate the tl;dr; will not read.

Tinkeringbell

9:50 AM

Your report has been received

rene

thanks

rene

11:51 AM

→ 36 messages moved to Chimney

Tinkeringbell

Oh... it's National Pancakeday! Guess I have to start replanning dinner.

Magisch

get stroopwafel instead

Tinkeringbell

Pancake with stroopwafel... that doesn't sound lik a terrible idea :P

Magisch

but why the pancake when you can just have more stroopwafel

Tinkeringbell

Because it's Pancakeday.

pure stroopwafels are for stroopwafelday

World stroopwafelday is september 30th ;)

Today is also World Water day, and goof off day.

Perhaps we should stick with TGIF ;)

Magisch

12:02 PM

Every day is day of the mint

its mint o clock too, the perfect time to make a fresh can of mint tea

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha enjoy :)

How many cans have you had by now?

MEE the setup wizard

Hey, I don't want to start a rollback war, therefore I am asking first, whether this questions last sentence is ok or not: meta.stackexchange.com/posts/325115/revisions

Tinkeringbell

While I appreciate everyone's effort in helping IñakiViggers write an answer that may possibly be more well-received, if they really want to say it this way, we should let them. So please leave the post as it is for now. — Tinkeringbell ♦ Mar 14 at 12:33

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell this will be the 6th 1L can since yesterday

Tinkeringbell

No stomach cramps yet? :)

MEE the setup wizard

12:08 PM

@Tinkeringbell Ooops, didn't read. Good that I asked ;)

Magisch

only thirst for yet more mint tea

MEE the setup wizard

Wait, should the question tags be shown for answers under suggested edit review?

Tinkeringbell

@MEEthesetupwizard You're welcome :)

Mithrandir

@Tinkeringbell does that mean that we can call each other pancakes?

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir Of course not, pancake!

@Magisch Sounds good :)

Magisch

12:11 PM

its spearmint

Mithrandir

Please have this GIF of a cat eating pancakes. All I ask is for you to have it, not to enjoy it.

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha those are really thick pancakes.

Mithrandir

Hey! :(

Magisch

12:27 PM

That stack of pancakes has more body mass then the kitten eating it

MEE the setup wizard

Oops, I broke something.

I didn't expect it would work to add a mod-only tag as a proposed synonym.

Please downvote the [featured] synonym proposal to remove it ;)

meta.stackexchange.com/tags/announcements/synonyms

^ And I wonder where I have the score of 5 needed from, I didn't answer any currently featured post

Tinkeringbell

Done one better, deleted it ;)

MEE the setup wizard

Thanks

I better go away so that I don't break more.

Tinkeringbell

@MEEthesetupwizard Nah, don't be sad. :)

I'm not really supposed to touch tag synonyms either ;)

Magisch

makes sense

Mithrandir

12:35 PM

@MEEthesetupwizard Merging special tags on meta is a great way for things to break

MEE the setup wizard

@MEEthesetupwizard Ah right, I am supposed to have a score of 5 on the tag I am proposing the synonym for.

user302202

12:52 PM

> Did @github just change how their Twitter user cards work? It looks really weird now, somewhere between “I’m watching you” and “mugshot” pic.twitter.com/OuOYmyZ6dc -- Nick Craver at 5:22 PM - 21 Mar 2019

user302202

They were already weird before, but this brings it to a new level.

rene

1:08 PM

Weird++

Gaurang Tandon

1:54 PM

Hi, I stumbled upon an interesting output in SEDE...too early to call it a bug though, so I wished to ask for second opinion here. I wrote a query to get percentage of AC answers per month for a user. Problem is that it is revealing two accepted answers for a single answer post for a user. Here is the particular output. Notice the month April'18, with AC%age as 200%!

I manually queried their total number of answers and it seems to be just one

What is happening here then? Also, I am not querying deleted posts, so I have no idea what is happening. Is it a bug?

user302202

@GaurangTandon Inconsistent grouping in the query. Accepted answers are grouped by creation date of the question. All answers are grouped by the answer creation date.

Gaurang Tandon

oh that fixed it..nice thanks @MSOGA !

user302202

> My manager at my last job consistently gave me mediocre ratings, made fun of me (!!!), and told me that my aspirations were out of my reach. Now I'm running the design team at Stack Overflow. :D -- Kristina 🎉 at 6:12 AM - 22 Mar 2019

user302202

I don't really know what message to take out of this, when considering left bar, right bar, the state of responsiveness and so forth.

Magisch

@MSOGA I had the opportunity to see some of Kristina's work in the mentorship experiment and I've always found her to be helpful knowledgeable and good at what she did. Limited exposure I know but there's no reason to believe she doesn't know what she's doing

Journeyman Geek

2:12 PM

@MSOGA that sounds like maybe some day I could work there ;)

Magisch

always jobs for dogs around

Journeyman Geek

Also, its probably one of the hardest jobs in the industry - simply cause its high profile, and you have a peanut gallery yelling at you

And UX is hard

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek UX may be, design ... meh :P

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell eh, kinda

Tinkeringbell

I could design stuff. I won't promise that it's good, useable or offers any kind of user experience though :P

Journeyman Geek

2:15 PM

Well Design is art. Ux is science

Tinkeringbell

Also... running a team is an entirely different skill set again ;)

Magisch

I'm personally really bad at UX design

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Magisch

I can turn business requirements into code and even come up with simplified procedures that work better and optimize workflows. But all my UI's are winforms era type "old guy with rimmed glasses" affairs

rene

I just drag-and-drop another usercontrol from the toolbar on the form and call it a day. How hard can it be...

Magisch

2:17 PM

I respectfully leave the UI design to our graphic designer

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell I'd actually say a lot of the pushback over SE design was about communication as much as design ;p

fbueckert

@JourneymanGeek And programmers are usually pretty bad at it, too.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Probably :)

fbueckert

"Oh, it needs to do this? Here's another button."

rene

that is me ...

Magisch

2:17 PM

I almost think the person building the backend logic should never be the one to design the UX/UI

Journeyman Geek

(also cough early SE design was done by devs ;p)

fbueckert

And then you end up with an interface that looks like it belongs in Dwarf Fortress.

Magisch

because you become so familiar with your own code, you lack the perspective of an outsider

Journeyman Geek

@fbueckert .... which they are re-releasing with actual graphics....

fbueckert

@JourneymanGeek After....how long?

Journeyman Geek

2:19 PM

@Magisch on the other hand, that's just as true for us as users ;p

fbueckert

And, it should be noted, it's not the original devs doing the graphical interface.

Magisch

well yeah but the effect is extra strong if I wrote the thing

Journeyman Geek

@fbueckert something something filthy casuals, something something... ;p

Magisch

I know all of its quirks and oddities - they sometimes dont even seem like oddities to me

fbueckert

The way I describe it is, "I can make a computer do whatever you need. Hop on one corner? No problem. Spin around until it catches fire? Okay, sounds like fun. But no matter what I make it do, it won't look pretty."

Magisch

2:21 PM

I'm eternally grateful we have a unified UI styling in our company

fbueckert

I'm getting better at it, but there's still lots to learn.

Now my forms only look like half dead zombies, instead of, "Ahh, no! Kill it kill it kill it!" zombies.

ArtOfCode

4:43 PM

@Magisch see also: metasmoke

Feeds

6:25 PM

Once they selected the other proposal, we could have kept shopping ours around, but we would had to modify it include an aqueduct over their canal, which would be totally unreasonable.

user302202

6:53 PM

Is that the largest Cueball head in xkcd history?

user302202

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Q: The Ask Question Wizard is Live!

I'm really happy to announce that the Ask Question Wizard is now live on Stack Overflow! This is the end of a long arc of experiments that have been happening for over a year to provide structured guidance to newcomers when asking a question, and I'm so excited for everyone in the community to gi...

canon

massages temples

Technically right things are only useful when they are practically right. — Charlie H 38 mins ago

user302202

> I choose to construct the answer in the snippet editor and debug it right within.

user302202

I stopped reading at that sentence

Tinkeringbell

@AskQuestionWizard Cool!

canon

6:58 PM

Is @AskQuestionWizard on meta? /rimshot

user302202

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/ask/wizard is 404

canon

The Ask a Question Wizard is never late. It arrives precisely when it means to.

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user302202

Can you please post any relevant code in here? — Sterling Archer 19 secs ago

user302202

The wizard didn't help here

canon

@AskQuestionWizard I just... sigh

user302202

7:02 PM

I was looking at the newest questions to find any effect of the wizard rollout

user302202

Probably won't be obvious.

canon

We should stop asking people questions. Rewrite the ask a question wizard to be a series of recaptcha-style tiles. Click everything that looks related to your problem!

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John Dvorak

O_o

user302202

Hopefully there will be fewer software recs questions.

user302202

I don't think there were many hardware recs questions to begin with, but Hardware Recommendations might get an uptick of questions due to sheer size disparity.

user302202

7:15 PM

Also, rolling out a major feature on a Friday afternoon?

Shog9

that's traditional

Kevin B

Gives you the weekend for adequate testing in production

rene

7:30 PM

@KevinB yep, just did that.

user302202

7:44 PM

What % of questions are asked by <111 rep users?

user302202

I guess over 50%

John Dvorak

Very conservative

user302202

SEDE gives 33420 questions asked by 111+ rep users in March (incl. deleted), vs 114713 overall. Some have acquired rep after asking, of course.

user302202

By this count, 29% of questions came from currently 111+ rep users. I guess it's 75-25 split between under-over 111.

scohe001

8:30 PM

Is there some FAQ question on when and how the "Last Seen" field on the profile is updated?

Like what triggers it and how often?

user302202

8:58 PM

The long and winding path // That leads to your door // Will never disappear // I've seen that spam before

Bart

At some point you've got to admire their persistence.

rene

@scohe001 I expect any page that is fetched by a browser that offers cookies that belongs to a user causes Last seen to be updated but I expect the view to only get a new value every 15 minutes.

canon

Is there a need to reconcile the clinical dispassion of content curation against the empathy of the welcome wagon? /sip

rene

I'll have another drink.

canon

lol

Aaron Hall

9:06 PM

@canon welcome the curation.

canon

my body is ready

Aaron Hall

performs the healing ceremony - and thou art cured.

scohe001

9:22 PM

@rene is there some secret behind these expectations? :P I'm trying to figure out if it's worth asking on MSE or if it's already well documented

user302202

In vino veritas

In vino veritas, also written as in uino ueritas, is a Latin phrase that means "in wine lies the truth", suggesting a person under the influence of alcohol is more likely to speak their hidden thoughts and desires. The phrase is sometimes continued as, "In vino veritas, in aqua sanitas", i.e., "In wine there is truth, in water there is health." Similar phrases exist across cultures and languages. The expression, together with its counterpart in Greek, "Ἐν οἴνῳ ἀλήθεια" (En oinōi alētheia), is found in Erasmus' Adagia, I.vii.17. Pliny the Elder's Naturalis historia contains an early allusion to...

user302202

Reconciliation Hour begins in about 90 minutes.

rene

@scohe001 it is kept a secret as revealing too much might make it easier to gain the fanatic badge.

but plenty of last seen MSE posts already. I doubt another one will be useful

scohe001

Ahh gotcha. Fair enough

Thanks!

rene

Or you must have an really interesting twist on that topic.

scohe001

9:28 PM

No twists here unfortunately

user302202

For example, lynx https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/ with immediate exit q y is enough to register a visit.

user302202

The thing gets scripted and run by crontab.

user302202

I figured /help was a relatively lightweight page to fetch, although this is just a guess.

canon

@AskQuestionWizard in cervisiam veritas?

rene

@AskQuestionWizard if it wasn't in the cache already, it will be for a while after you did that fetch.

Bookends

11:02 PM

Happy Minute!

:'(

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@rene I wonder why you decided to review this as Close (site-specific). To me, it seems like an on-topic site recommendation; the initial statements that the author asked somewhere where it was deemed off-topic don't make the question closeable.

rene

sure

Journeyman Geek

11:18 PM

@SonictheWizardWerehog the question is literally unanswerable though

And I think we can let people review without questioning individual reviews

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

@JourneymanGeek I was just wondering why they thought it was site-specific.

Also, "this question is not suitable for any site" is an acceptable answer to a site recommendation question.

Bookends

No need to wonder, just believe on your own.

And close/reopen vote queue.