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Sterling Archer

2:42 AM

Has there ever been the idea tossed around of a comment ban?

aka not being able to post comments (maybe without review first) because you were flagged rude too much?

Bookends

3:32 AM

@SterlingArcher There were, after the new CoC and comment flags revamped

But I think your specific feature request is not yet (inb4 "omg, another review queue")

And thus, morning...

rene

9:04 AM

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rene

9:35 AM

@Shog9 @Catija Is an SRE aware of the errors happening on Jobs? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/381391/… three reports in the last hour.

Tinkeringbell

9:51 AM

@rene Who needs a job on the weekend anyways.

rene

Maybe those that don't earn enough during the week?

Tinkeringbell

Nah, they need a better week job or some kind of universal income. Not a weekend job ;)

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Shree

10:07 AM

No for emoji :) meta.stackexchange.com/a/260623/163529

Catija

12:06 PM

@rene meep ... uh.

Mithrandir

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Aibobot

12:42 PM

@Tinkeringbell I wouldn't apply to another job while at work ;)

Tinkeringbell

@Aibobot That's true.

rene

@Catija meep ... meep ...?

WUT?

Tinkeringbell

Seems to translate to 'I'm back to the next'

rene

It did? I didn't translate

Tinkeringbell

I did... before deleting ;)

The Dutch translation gave 'nogmaals <random letters>'

rene

12:52 PM

so you deleted valuable content ;)

Tinkeringbell

You have low standards for what makes valuable content ;)

ɪBᴜɢ

1:24 PM

-3

Q: Javascript injection (tested and working as of March 17th 2019)

If you run this snippet, on stackoverflow as a question or as an answer, javascript will be injected and if you are registered your nickname will be show in an alert! Obviously this script could have been evil and send to a remote site all your credentials, or do things in your behalf. func...

it's annoying to see idiots posting whatever they believe to be "hacking".

rene

@ɪBᴜɢ left a comment

@ɪBᴜɢ if your answer blocks deletion of the question, maybe delete the answer?

OP self deleted

Shog9

2:42 PM

@rene thanks for the alert

rene

np, if it is on the money making entity I better let you guys know ...

Shog9

yeah, probably saved us a bit of time. Hat-tip to @Cat for somehow being awake & raising an alarm

Poor SREs not having a very relaxing Sunday morning :(

Catija

@Shog9 Gus gets the "credit".

Shog9

we should send that kid a t-shirt or something

SO-branded bottle?

Catija

3:07 PM

He's got a onesie.

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 doubly fun when a few key folks are out on a convention ;p

@Catija the legendary so onsie? ;p

Catija

"Future Stack Overflow User"

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Probably the only thing rarer than SU hoodies ;)

Catija

He's not actually worn it yet.

Journeyman Geek

needs to grow into it?

also took me about half a second too long to remember who gus was.

/me is looking forward to getting back to his 'normal' shift rotation. Also getting a lot of sleep tommorrow

Catija

3:11 PM

It probably fits now.

It's also short sleeved.

But it's getting warmer.

Also, to be honest, I'm not a fan of stuff that predicts/prescribes a future for him.

Magisch

Stack exchange is varied enough that nearly anyone can find a site to relate though, regardless of profession or interest

Catija

Yeah, but it doesn't say SE.

Magisch

ah

i'm actually not a big fan how schools tend towards that everyone should learn to code

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I agree ;p

I also think there needs to be more diversity in tech skills

Magisch

I think diversity of perspective and soft skills are grossly undervalued in tech atm

Journeyman Geek

3:17 PM

yup

Magisch

Being real about it, I currently work on webdev, sql, and some ERP stuff. I don't need to be real good at math for that. I don't need a unique ability to visualize workflows, but I do need a good grasp on understanding user's concerns and reading their reactions

Bookends

Nothing beats the Sunday meta drama... Upvote request denied for election reputation

Magisch

basically I think we're focusing too much on the technical side of programming at the absolute detriment of all the adjacent stuff that even enables technical solutions to be successful

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch actually that's kinda true for many things

Mithrandir

@Magisch pokes tech writing

Journeyman Geek

3:20 PM

there's a few other issues that are non engineering related though, especially in less functional environments

Magisch

we do have one guy at work who's not a programmer, but has a really good grasp on user needs

as far as our productivity is concerned, he's worth his weight in gold

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch some of our devs are probably essential but...

they apparently scared our junior dev a little too much

Tinkeringbell

coworkers with crappy soft skills aren't fun to work with.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell managers with crappy soft skills are worse ;)

Which is why Im going to start sending resumes out next week ;)

Mithrandir

"You have been resumed. Continue from last checkpoint?"

Journeyman Geek

3:27 PM

however that's spelled

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir Very well Englished :P

Magisch

pretty sure as of now a tech writer would be better for our team then another dev

rene

always better then coworkers with crappy soft kills

Journeyman Geek

HARD KILLS! HARD KILLS!

Tinkeringbell

To be honest though... I've had other co-workers whose soft skills were lacking as well, but they were perfectly great to work with once you figured out how to manage past that...

Journeyman Geek

3:30 PM

@Tinkeringbell it also depends on the flavour of social awkwardness

Tinkeringbell

I guess I shouldn't just make statements based on one anecdotal co-worker that was a pain in the ass to work with...

Journeyman Geek

;p

Mithrandir

@JourneymanGeek s/e/é, but I was just making bad jokes

Journeyman Geek

ah ok

(my contract is up for renewal, and my manager seems to be playing hardball ... even before we're talking money)

Magisch

there's a difference between being socially awkward, aware of it and taking measures to correct it and fit in better and going "I guess thats just how I am and you have to deal with it"

Journeyman Geek

3:36 PM

more or less

Anne Daunted

There are fun and humor. fun has the following usage guidance: "Questions that are light-hearted but hopefully of some additional use beyond mere entertainment." humor has none. What is humor for? Sometimes, questions get both tags. Should its use be restricted to questions about humor and SE, like "Is it allowed to write joke answers?" or something?

rene

Humor starts when the fun is over

I'll see myself out ...

Journeyman Geek

I don't think anyone though about whether they should, only they could... when creating the tags

@AnneDaunted feels like a question for meta ;p

we might consider tag synonyms?

Anne Daunted

@JourneymanGeek Possibly. There are questions tagged humor that are not fun like this one, although humor may not be needed, with etiquette or behavior being more suitable.

Another topic - the FAQ When should I create a new tag? contains in its answer the following: "For example, on Stack Overflow, if a new programming language has been created and is in wide use, but no one has asked any questions about it, a new tag should be created for it." A bit misleading, isn't it? You usually don't create a tag if there is no accompanying question. This should maybe be made more clear (first question etc.).

rene

3:53 PM

@AnneDaunted that is wrong anyway. You can't create tags out of thin air. It needs a question (best two)

Journeyman Geek

Its vaguely implicit

and you can sometimes end up asking a question then getting someone to create the tag

Anne Daunted

@JourneymanGeek It's the FAQ. It should be explicit. Else it just causes confusion.

Journeyman Geek

> To create a tag, one must apply it to an existing question. Any user with the Create Tags privilege (300 on most sites, 500 on Meta Stack Exchange, 1000 on Mathematics, and 1500 on Stack Overflow) may add new tags to any question at will by typing the new tag into the question's tags field, and submitting the post or edit1.

seems explicit enough

Anne Daunted

I saw that, too, but it comes much later

Journeyman Geek

we could swap with "but no one..." with "and there's a need for a specific tag for the language" ?

cause there COULD be questions, just without the tag

Anne Daunted

4:02 PM

"but no one has asked any questions about it" - could be improved and turned into something like "but you are the first one to ask a question about it".

@JourneymanGeek True, but it's just an example of when it's appropriate to create a new tag, not the only case when it is

Journeyman Geek

Yup

that works. Go ahead and make the edit ;p

Anne Daunted

No, I'm just bringing to attention what I notice. I leave the execution to high-rep users.

Journeyman Geek

eh

but its your idea. ._.

Anne Daunted

Just a lesson I learned on MSE

Bookends

how high is high-rep user? :p

Journeyman Geek

4:16 PM

@AnneDaunted its a terrible lesson

Bookends

Anyway, regarding "but no one...", there are actually 2 cases: there are existing questions but not tagged with the "core" tag, or there is no question yet.

rene

@Bookends 2 meter

Bookends

> participate in the online democracy of programmers

rene

4:36 PM

yeah ...

Not sure if I have spend my time useful on meta this afternoon

Journeyman Geek

5:04 PM

depends on what you mean y useful ;p

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

6:28 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I agree with (2), but isn't that humor bonding us? — Ooker 3 hours ago

Oh man how many of you guys have bonded with me? (｡♥‿♥｡)

In the totally non-creepy way of course

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ if you need to add that it is creepy ...

Bookends

6:53 PM

O=H=O, there you go!

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I realized I couldn't write a constructive comment without using emoji, so I decided not to...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

7:24 PM

Okay. Thank you. By the way, you have my vote for moderator as first choice. — Marvin 20 hours ago

The SO way of campaigning is . . . being helpful on meta?

@Bookends ʕノ•ᴥ•ʔノ︵ ┻━┻

Tinkeringbell

7:38 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Hey! No flipping the furniture in this Tavern!

Mithrandir

8:03 PM

*clutches head* migraines make it very hard to study

Head has been pounding all day. :|

Guess I'll go to sleep and just wing it in the morning...

Tinkeringbell

You can do it :) Just think of how you did them last week :)

Mithrandir

The difference is I can't wing math like I do English :P One is my domain of expertise, the other tends to make my eyes glaze over :p

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Mithrandir Hmm, the eyes glazing over thing can explain some of your chat messages

@Tinkeringbell (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Mithrandir

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ chocolate glaze. my eyes are donuts

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:20 PM

That's . . . creepy but accurate

Mithrandir

Sums me up in a nutshell.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:33 PM

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A: While on vacation my taxi took a longer route, possibly to scam me out of money. How can I deal with this?

Not a complete answer, I admit. The advice I was given when visiting Istanbul is that taxi drivers often can't read, so that I should give them both a printout of the address and also a simplified map, showing them which roads I expect them to take to my hotel. That the driver can't read roman ...

This other guy was upset here that an answer might be woefully ignorant, right?

Well, now can't say I don't agree

user302202

8:51 PM

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Q: It became hard to get answers from experts

I checked my past questions and recognized that it became very hard to get answers from experts. Yeah, I know I could use bounties, but on almost all questions? I have the feeling that complex questions, even if they are very short and simple, won't get answers just because of the continues stre...

discussion questions

user302202

I think this deserved better reception than it got. Bounties are hardly an answer.

user302202

(1) have to wait 48 hours; (2) the kind of extra attention you get for a bounty is not necessarily what you want

user302202

Proposed 30K privilege: can set a bounty immediately.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@MSOGA If I was phrasing the discussion, I would have focused more on the impracticality of doing this for every question instead of just a mention and made it more clear and less prevalent the random possible solutions I threw around (the final paragraphs)

user302202

The sentiment isn't really new, of course.

user302202

9:01 PM

May 2 '17 at 1:24, by Jason C

SO has been frustrating me lately. I always have a hard time getting questions answered. I feel like people aren't answering non-trivial questions as much as they used to.

rene

9:31 PM

Wait, what meta.stackexchange.com/q/325360/158100 ?

Sterling Archer

Holy crap

user302202

9:52 PM

If "thank you, Jaydles" leads someone to conclude he died, we have a serious misconception going around: that the right time to thank someone is when they are dead.

rene

needs one more delete vote and then we can return to the regular schedule ..

rene

10:11 PM

turns out it isn't that easy ...

Catija

10:26 PM

Nothing is easy

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