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2:26 AM

I have an odd feeling about this question meta.stackexchange.com/questions/325026/… - it feels kinda oddly specific

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

5:36 AM

!!/watch missayisha\.in

SmokeDetector

@SonictheWizardWerehog You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#2669 for you.

6:49 AM

"Bumped out from the room" morning

7:17 AM

Morning!

AFTERNOON!

It appears we have thunder too

Just a bit of rain here.

But it's okay, I arrived at the carpool before it started ;)

7:40 AM

@JourneymanGeek Ivan Lilich spam

Who the heck is Ivan Lilly BTW?

It's 11 a.m. here, so . . . mofternoon

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ mom ter noon

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I don't think its spam

@JourneymanGeek It is spam if they're trying to sell me Ivan Lillich

SOme guy who feels the modern acedemic/schooling system is harmful

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ hm. They arn't. Yet

I think cody's answer kinda indicates its on topic

7:43 AM

I want the liver

eww it's full with toxins

hm. Sure you don't want another kidney?

Maybe a spleen?

I want the little finger.

I have plans for it.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ My concerns are a bit more nuanced

> Modern medicine is a negation of health. It isn't organized to serve human health, but only itself, as an institution. It makes more people sick than it heals.

7:45 AM

but Philosphy.se will have to deal

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ...

Self-righteous sonofabich

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I had an uncle who didn't trust doctors.

He dropped dead.

I wonder what he'd have said if said institution saved his life after a kidney failure

Bit of a shock, apparently a heart attack

@JourneymanGeek at least he didn't harm others, like those who oppose vaccines do.

7:46 AM

Meanwhile my dad basically had 4 clogged arteries, and one doc went "Don't be an idiot" and the other told him when asked how many bypasses he will do...

I guess it doesn't get much better when a philosopher talks about medication

"Oh, we're opening you up anyway... so... as many as we find"

(I'm lucky to have an awesome family GP ;p)

Haha how far down did they go?

Or is it in?

@JourneymanGeek Good genes! lol

Well, kidney problems lost their might in my eyes

But everything else would still freak me out

7:48 AM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 4

@ShadowWizard Graviil Petrov is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I was nice, I showed them the way out with a smile.

Can I confess to something? I haven't read CoC yet

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ me neither.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I kinda nuked him

I did.

7:50 AM

@JourneymanGeek well guess as mod you ought to, as you're expected to handle those who act against it. ;)

@JourneymanGeek So is that nice and welcoming? I'm thinking more of an Ebony Maw way.

@ShadowWizard well I also had some input on the original version and am critical of how some people use it

Said something like "rejoice in the fact that your sacrifice will help the universe in a weird way"

@JourneymanGeek You mean rant about closing/downvoting their questions, using the CoC as a shield?

@ShadowWizard the COC should be a shield

to protect folks

7:51 AM

"They closed my question, it's not nice!1! Nuke them all!!1!"

not a bludgeoning stick

@JourneymanGeek Apply gently only to hurt skin

Never massage. Never.

@JourneymanGeek from downvotes? Don't think so.

And if it will come to this, I won't be part of SE.

@ShadowWizard from abuse

(e.g. if downvotes will be removed)

@JourneymanGeek thing is, many (most?) people consider downvotes as abuse.

Even long time users.

7:53 AM

That would make no sense

@ShadowWizard and that's a fundamental problem

@JourneymanGeek indeed.

I love the term "angry downvotes"

Would have been a hit mobile game

One of the tricky SE problems is...

But the birds stole it

7:54 AM

So they expect the CoC to protect them from downvotes and when it doesn't... they think it's useless and we're back in base 1.

We're fundamentally a platform that tries to avoid needing to deal with the social aspects of things

And well

least for SO - its big enough that people want to bend it to their point of view ;p

(and honestly - SO would survive without downvotes. or quality control...)

It would be horrible though

Q: Doubts in understanding some concepts of potential energy

It'd be like r/memes

6

Let us consider a system of charges in space. The potential energy of the system of charges is determined by the amount of work done by the external force to assimilate the charges in that manner. But what is the potential energy of a particular charge in that system of charges? Does that questio...

well - or Quora or Yahoo answers

Meta title is meta

is the latter dead yet?

And essentially...

"I want in on $successful_thing, but I don't want any of the things that made it what it is, or to engage with the people who got it this far"

ON THE OTHER HAND, there's folks who're too focused on circling the wagons too

7:58 AM

OMG ON WHICH HAND

the one that is the other other hand.

That one over there...

The left right hand.

@ShadowWizard we have a running joke about my inability to tell right from left...

I have a post it on my desk with LEFT <---- -----> RIGHT (OTHER LEFT!)

I'm like that about East and West

We have East and West Azerbaijan provinces here, I always have to double check which one is the one on the left

@JourneymanGeek well, part of your overall problem with its and it's, no? All due to same "bad sector" in your brain...

I guess? ^

8:01 AM

ooh

Or genes

vaguely!

But one can live with that, so all is good. :D

So, I was born a leftie

they forced me to switch to a rightie in school

I'm left handed too.

8:01 AM

that kinda ...

Now you write with your middle hand?

I don't say it made me dyslexic, but made the effects of it worse

@JourneymanGeek oh, that can cause trouble, yeah.

Writing is so 2500 BC

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ pretty sure people actually do it.

Feel free to Google it.... :P

8:03 AM

It's the age of autocortex and crabby speak recognition

@ShadowWizard I, uh, don't

@ShadowWizard I actually think a good way to describe dyslexia is...

your input's faulty

so your brain overclocks to process it

you can, however clean up the input first

Ear plugs

so pick fonts that are distinct

so your brain isn't going whether its a d or a b

or a o or a 0 or a O

or or or Or or our

or its and it's ;p

8:07 AM

An alternative is to use one of them calligraphic fonts with lots of ligatures and what-not

You won't be able to tell the difference between MAR and LLLLLLL but no one else will be able to either so it's fine

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Fractur is the tool of the devil ;p

I replied to Jeff tweet.... luckily he has no diamonds anymore. :D

(kind of disagreed with what he said)

heh

I did that. On site meta ;)

lol

Ages ago

On a subject he's passionate about.

8:15 AM

hehe and Pekka liked it.... :P

10:00 AM

I'm alive?

That's good, right?

Yeah, it was like... there was a meeting around 1 hour ago, and I don't remember it at all

Hmmm. That was a good meeting :P

10:17 AM

@Bookends Its entirely plausible this is some flavour of the afterlife

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user302202

1:16 PM

If there are no more SO nominations in the next 6 hours, the 11th SO election will set a new record for the lowest number of nominees (11).

user302202

Current record: 12, held jointly by elections 8 and 9 (Fall 16, Summer 17). Not that there was anything wrong with the outcome of those two.

user302202

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Always Be Closing, Downvoting, Editing, Flagging... need a new feature beginning with G.

Feeds

2:01 PM

Terms I'm going to start using: The Large Dipper, great potatoes, the Big Hadron Collider, and Large Orphan Annie.

John Dvorak

I like this version of a Venn diagram. The next version of Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes should definitely use it.

user302202

2:26 PM

I had to count to make sure all 32 possibilities are represented. Never saw this thing before.

user302202

Wonder if there are versions for 6, 7, ... if it's formed by a single rotating shape, it must be pretty complicated.

user302202

It doesn't work for 6 - or for 4, for that matter. We need (2**n - 2) to be divisible by n, because after removing the center region and the unbounded region, the rest have to come in multiple of n by way of n-fold symmetry.

user302202

>>> [(2**n-2)/n for n in range(1, 11)]
[0.0, 1.0, 2.0, 3.5, 6.0, 10.333333333333334, 18.0, 31.75, 56.666666666666664, 102.2]

user302202

So the sequence of candidates is Positive integers n such that 2^n == 2 (mod n)

user302202

BTW it turns out to be really hard to find n such that 2**n is congruent to 3 mod n. The smallest is 4700063497 and only a few others are known.

2:53 PM

Whoa, Maths on the Meta @_@

3:13 PM

But no Meth. :(

ArtOfCode

3:29 PM

probably a good thing, that

scohe001

3:48 PM

eyeballs-required | meta.stackexchange.com/a/325047/232439

@scohe001 you mean NAA flags

Cast one flag and one delete vote.

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard you've got Mith though

@Mithrandir hmm... "Mith, the master of Math and Meth"? :D

Mithrandir

Wrong on both counts.

scohe001

@ShadowWizard meh too late for me to edit that message now. Besides I'm reasonably sure eyeballs == flags on SE when a post is low quality :P

3:51 PM

Just don't get attracted to Moth too much and all is good. :P

@Mithrandir Can't smoke you man

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ smoked meat is just overrated

@ShadowWizard I doubt he has any meat left after preparing for army tests

More like gunpowder from bones

user302202

@Namaste: I'm not afraid to tell Shog9 that he's holding a grudge. I don't know the first thing about what you are talking about, so if you send a ticket, I'd be happy to look at it. No, I'm not completely unbiased, but I think I can be somewhat objective. Maybe it would be good to have some sort of third-party ombuds, but we don't have one right now. — Jon Ericson ♦ 17 hours ago

user302202

Isn't Twitter kind of third-party ombuds?

3:54 PM

@scohe001 Hmm, fair point. Some posts do make my eyeballs wave in the wind

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ he didn't prepare, just went to see doctors. I prepared, actually. lol

scohe001

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ right! Some definitely make me want to burn my eyeballs in protest

@MSOGA What the frog is going on there . . .

user302202

> if you can't get beyond these paid employees' biases, don't ask me to waste my time. It's time some objective SE employee(s) contact me.

user302202

Sounds promising.

3:57 PM

The guy's wasting their time by asking not to waste their time while they're wasting devs' time in the first place

It's so ironic it's copperic

Metalic

user302202

Incidentally, this is also a part of my job (hearing complaints against my colleagues). I never knew what monsters I work with.

Surely nobody got anything bad to say about @g3rv4! :P

user302202

I could try but I prefer to earn my suspensions by other means.

@ShadowWizard His picture is so small. There

4:04 PM

@MSOGA not sure if it's about another user's suspension or his/her suspension...

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ your nose is blue

:O

@Blueeeeee

YOU DIDN'T

lol

4:05 PM

My nose is actually red now

And an effing waterfall

eww

Stop drinking through your nose then.

You're misusing your body parts.

:D

Which is bad because cold kills the kidneys

kidneys kill the cold???

Kid neys the cold.

Kills kidney the colds

@ShadowWizard I have nothing to say to a neysayer

Huh, smart spammer or legit user?

user302202

4:09 PM

133 rep on UX site, so I'll go with legit

The user has 133 rep on... ninja'd

Ha, I want a ninja.SE

People would post answers sooner than you post your question

user302202

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Martial Arts

user302202

Specifically ninjutsu tag

user302202

> A specific set of skills of or related to the acts of espionage, stealth, counter-intelligence, and assassination.

user302202

4:14 PM

There is so much useful knowledge on SE.

How do they decide who's the winner in international competitions?

Play hide and seek and the fighter that gets found last?

user302202

Only 9 questions, with hardly any practical information on the subjects of espionage, stealth, counter-intelligence, or assassination.

Q: R: Creating binary variable based on text content of factor variable

Well, I'm not entirely sure JFK's killer knew Nonjutsu

user302202

You can learn a lot more about that on SO.

user302202

0

I have a dataset of 250 assassination attempts on leaders of nations over the course of 120 or so years. One column labeled "result" which contains a brief blurb about what happened to the target in each case, with values such as "hospitalization but no permanent disability", "dies within a day a...

r

4:16 PM

Nonjutsi

Ninjustsi

Is it racist to think all East Asian words are the same?

No

njutsi

user302202

Remember when sites had useful blurbs in Google search results?

user302202

By now someone at Google should have learned to filter GDPR stuff out.

4:34 PM

lol

user302202

LinkedIn suggestions can be outright cruel. "Congratulate X on Y years at Z" when Z is their graduate school and Y is an embarrassingly large number...

user302202

Or when Z is their internship that actually ended as those things do, the anniversary only highlighting almost a year of unemployment.

g3rv4

4:50 PM

@ShadowWizard if people don't complain about me it's only because nobody really knows what I do. And I intend to keep it that way :P

user302202

5:22 PM

It's convenient to manage multiple calendars in Google Calendar app. Except when you don't pay attention to the selected calendar and create an event like "haircut" that shows up on the front page of your organization (its web calendar syncs via Calendar API).

user302202

I suppose it could be worse.

Q: Language Learning.SE is not a bad question toilet

"Resignation day"

or... anything romantic

user302202

Like "venereologist appointment".

user302202

0

Historical context : Please stop using SoftwareEngineering.SE as your toilet bowl A question was recently migrated from Linguistics to Language Learning, possibly under the impression that language-specific questions are acceptable there. According to Language Learning.SE's help center, "Questi...

discussion off-topic-questions moderation migration

user302202

Some question toilets are better than others. LL is a good one.

5:37 PM

I kinda just came here to see whats happening

Nothing to see here :)

ok

That said, it's already late and I'm starting to get sleepy~~💤

I have competitions and humanised SE logo characters to make

Mithrandir

5:54 PM

Sounds interesting.

Actually the idea came when I was doodling on ms paint but it still looks cool

user302202

@Bookends There's more math underneath that... Turns out, a rotationally symmetric Venn diagram for n sets exists if and only if n is a prime number. This was proved pretty recently, in 2004. (More precisely: the necessity of n being prime was long known; the sufficiency is hard.) Survey article

user302202

A picture from that article: a symmetric Venn diagram for 7 sets.

A: Difference between storing an ObjectId and its string form, in MongoDB

Oooh, reminds me of spirograph!

Pretty :D

user302202

6:27 PM

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I, personally, blame your code. I get around this pefectly fine in my applications by coding the right way. I convert to string in code to compare and I ensure that anything that looks like an ObjectId is actually used as a ObjectId. It is good to note that between the ObjectId (http://docs.mong...

user302202

Today's example of "SO is toxic" from a ... 3rd party ombud.

user302202

Conveniently omitted context: the question contains

user302202

> and tho my code is certainly partially to blame, I mostly blame mongo for making this so weird.

Looks like 20k+ rep having fun with each other

user302202

7:13 PM

John E Gatewood

@JohnEGatewood1, California, USA

CEO of Stack Overflow, co-founder of Fog Creek Software (Glitch, FogBugz), and creator of Trello. 🙂

62 tweets, 143 followers, following 2.3k users

user302202

Hmm, that description.

What? Joel Spolsky is a sock of Gatewood?

user302202

7:56 PM

Notice how you never see Joel Spolsky and John E Gatewood in the same room?

Adam Lear

🤔

OK crap, I just realized it's going to be hard again deciding three worthy candidates out of the current 11

But the tree guy is definitely my first choice

user302202

primaries.charcoal-se.org

user302202

8:20 PM

Unix Election Overflow:

user302202

(I upvoted one post and downvoted the other.)

caching?

user302202

They are different posts, with different Post Ids: 5243, 5244

Q: Updating the Hot Network Questions List - now with a bit more network and a little less "hotness"!

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ why is it hard? You think there are no 3 candidates worthy among those 11?

weird

race condition or did someone double clicked on the election button?

user302202

8:32 PM

Remembering that #1 and #2 in the primary round are 10/10 in getting diamonds, and that there are only 2 diamonds being given out... looks like the election is over.

user302202

16

Some of you may have noticed that we've been making some changes to the Hot Network Questions on the back end over the last week or so. I'm here announcing our first round of changes to how the HNQ works and give you some ideas of why we're starting here and where we're planning to go in the futu...

discussion featured hot-questions announcements

Yay! Thanks @AdamLear :D

Adam Lear

:)

user302202

> Q: "How would you have changed StackOverflow if you started it today?" @spolsky : "I would have made comments disappear after 7 days. Everything that is bad in SO happens in the comments." Interesting StackOverflow thoughts in @WixEng with @spolsky pic.twitter.com/Pq36t1sV1z -- Yuval Perry at 4:39 PM - 11 Mar 2019

Shog9

8:48 PM

10 years late, but still a good idea

@rene No, there are more than 3

user302202

Well if there was another way to say "this answer does not actually solve the problem described in the question, but is being upvoted by hordes of people who have a different problem and are landing here from Google".

Anne Daunted

On stackexchange.com: "No questions found."

user302202

Temporary filter malfunction, happens to me often.

Anne Daunted

thx

I looked at the newly featured post but didn't find that among the new features

9:07 PM

@Shog9 that's ... one delete statement in the 03:00 UTC job ...

Bart

Can we not just delete users after 7 days?

Adam Lear

9:21 PM

@AnneDaunted we've optimized the list so much that now it's empty :P

(but also there's a bug that I'm building the fix out for right now)

Anne Daunted

9:38 PM

@AdamLear Sounds great :-)

user302202

10:01 PM

A primary with 11 candidates, despite its painfully obvious and unimportant outcome, is still helpful for strategic allocation of the precious STV.

user302202

E.g., Baum looks set to win, so I'd rather focus on trying to put JS above J-FF.

John Dvorak

The point of STV is that you don't have to strategize

EKons

status-norepro

Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Logged-out users are unaware that users can flag comments...maybe it's time to show the upvote and flag options to logged-out users, with a prompt saying that they must have an account with 15 reputation (as is done with votes and adding comments).