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Yi Jiang's 独角兽

12:52 AM

Hmmm, SO elections again?

Tim Stone

Seems so.

Planning to throw your hat in the ring? :P

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Absolutely not :P

Rep's not going to be high enough anyways

Tim Stone

The pool's not too deep at the moment, perhaps in part due to the badge requirements, but we'll see how it turns out.

Shog9

Needs some Adam Davis love to skew things along.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Should I stick a link to elections.se onto the announcement post on Meta?

Tim Stone

12:56 AM

We need to coax the auto-updater into adding the election first, heh.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Hmmm, is it because SO's election announcement used a different tag?

moderator-election instead of election?

Tim Stone

That, and I used the wrong tag filter URL in the config file.

(so me updating my filter didn't fix the problem)

I added the tag now, let's see if that does it.

Although the polling period is something like an hour, whoops.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Can you force it to repoll manualy?

Tim Stone

Yeah, but Rebecca doesn't have access to the server it's on at the moment.

I already forced the one on my server to update, so it should be working there.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

I should take some time to implement the feature request that wanted a direct link to a site's election info page

Tim Stone

1:02 AM

Hm, I thought it had that already?

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Oh? In that case you can just add a link that goes directly to SO's election info

Tim Stone

I may be misremembering.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

That page already works.

It's just the homepage that isn't updating correctly

Tim Stone

Yeah, I'm hoping that the homepage will indeed update.

Also, you still need to give me an account for Google Code so I can make you an owner on the project. :o

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Eh, it's the same old Google email

Tim Stone

1:09 AM

Just making sure

Rebecca Chernoff

the existing SO link on the page works and goes to this election instead of the old one, but it isn't at the top and doesn't think it's current

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

So I was thinking we should just link directly to SO's election data page, but I don't remember implementing that

Actually, I'm not sure why SO's tag is not election. There aren't any other types of election, so we can just do a synonym here, right?

Tim Stone

Ohhh, you mean to bring up the stats for that site automatically, yeah, that's not implemented.

Tim Stone

1:26 AM

Also, you should be an owner of the Google Code project now

Tim Stone

1:50 AM

Alright, I'm beginning to think that it's not going to work. I could blame myself, but I'll just blame a sysadmin or something.

Trufa

2:00 AM

Remember "No generalist badge, I like my moderators well rounded"?

Who was that?

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

@Trufa Adam Davis

Trufa

@YiJiangs独角兽 Ha! Good memory!

Tim Stone

Oh, it did work! Hooray.

elections.stackexchange.com

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mmm, apparently we need to strip out the sponsor images from tags. |:

Trufa

@TimStone I had no idea that sharepoint existed, cool design!!

Tim Stone

Ah, and it seems that the candidates submitting their nomations/commenting on said nominations causes some issues.

Yeah, the SharePoint site is pretty nifty

Trufa

2:06 AM

@TimStone Is it supposed to make me remember windows 8?

Tim Stone

Hahah, that I don't know. :)

Trufa

:)

Moshe

@Yijiang - what's the link to your election web page?

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

14 mins ago, by Tim Stone

http://elections.stackexchange.com/

Trufa

@Moshe good luck with your run!

Rebecca Chernoff

2:26 AM

yo @JeremyBanks

Tim Stone

Uh oh, she totally just called you out. Run!

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

@TimStone At least she hasn't oy'ed :P

Rebecca Chernoff

):

but I was going to give him good news. |:

Tim Stone

Did he get his badge?

Rebecca Chernoff

not yet, but I did find a bug there

Tim Stone

2:28 AM

Ah :)

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

So, should I stick a link to elections.se on the announcement post?

Tim Stone

I was thinking maybe we could do something once the nomination period had ended, on account of the links to nomination material not working. But it's your call :P

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

It's not? Lemme see...

Rebecca Chernoff

why can't I add deputy as a noteworthy badge? ):

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Oh man, Jon Skeet is even causing problem on the election data page

Tim Stone

2:32 AM

@RebeccaChernoff Hmm, good question.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Too many badges!

Tim Stone

-1!

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

@TimStone Hmmm, relative URLs

Trufa

I'm down-voting him now that I know.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

That's going to be troublesome, yes

Tim Stone

2:36 AM

@RebeccaChernoff Ah, because you already had a sites.json file the server is waiting seven days before updating the site list (which also updates the badges list).

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Speaking of which, you might want to add deputy and marshal to the default list of badges

And also reviewer, maybe.

Tim Stone

Yeah, that seems like a good idea

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

I think adding the CSS for tag formatting in the body of nomination text would also be needed

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone server's been running for much longer than 7 days...why hadn't it updated?

or when updated today were there changes in there that got pulled in but had old badge data?

Tim Stone

Hmm, had it been up continuously for seven days?

Oh, that might be the case. Let me see.

Ah, yes.

badges.js is versioned since it was originally a static file, so I guess it would have overridden any changes performed by the server.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

2:45 AM

@RebeccaChernoff Are the elections for the other sites starting up soon?

Rebecca Chernoff

sure (:

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Hmmm, I was just thinking we could add in the "required" badged for SO nominees into the list of default badges

But it won't be useful for some of the newer sites to have "Yearling"

Or some of the other badges that are required by SO

Tim Stone

Yearling got dropped, apparently.

So it's just Civic Duty, Strunk & White, Deputy, and Convention now.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Well then, we've got all of the badges covered now

We just need Deputy (and Marshal)

The thing is, those pesky election comments still don't work

The supercollider handles them fine, but the API doesn't provide the data needed for it to work

Rebecca Chernoff

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Yi Jiang's 独角兽

2:53 AM

2 mins ago, by Yi Jiang's 独角兽

The supercollider handles them fine, but the API doesn't provide the data needed for it to work

Rebecca Chernoff

what data?

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Rebecca Chernoff

this...does not explain...

Tim Stone

The /timeline API route doesn't return anything that says "the associated post is an election nomination"

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

      "user_id": 82187,
      "timeline_type": "comment",
      "post_id": 8045321,
      "post_type": "answer",
      "comment_id": 9852520,
      "action": "comment",
      "creation_date": 1320720747,
      "detail": "No Deputy or Convention badges."

Anonymous

2:56 AM

@RebeccaChernoff oy

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

post_type says answer, but even if it says election or something, there's still nothing we can do because the /q/{id} route doesn't work

Tim Stone

Well, we know where the elections page lives, so we could create the URL ourselves if we knew to do so.

Rebecca Chernoff

what data are you trying to get?

I'm confused as to the missing part

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

And the post lacks the description field, so all it displays is no title

Rebecca Chernoff

^^ seems like you've got the comment

Tim Stone

2:58 AM

Hmm, we could hack up a fix.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

@RebeccaChernoff The API response for comments on election nominee lacks: a) A way to distinguish it from comments on normal posts

b) A proper way to link the the nomination post c) A description, like "BoltClock's Nomination" or something like that

@TimStone I'm pretty sure we could

Tim Stone

I think we always scrape the elections page, so we could probably precompile a list of IDs of the posts on that page..

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Just match the id from the nomination page to the id in the timeline response

Tim Stone

Bit of a pain, though.

Aye

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Uh, the URL part still isn't won't be fixed? Let me check...

Tim Stone

3:00 AM

..wha? :P

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

The link, currently it goes to /q/{id}, which fails

If you click on any of the (no title) links you get a 404

Tim Stone

Right, so if we precompile the list of nomination post IDs we can map the /timeline responses that belong to those specific posts to a different URL that will go to the right place.

Time for me to take a break now though, my brain is getting all...slow-like. Back in a bit.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

3:29 AM

So, uh, I have a question about how the Google Code repo for the election thingy works

If I make changes to the code on the repo, how does it get deployed to the server?

Rebecca Chernoff

we're working on that on our end

Moshe

4:37 AM

I thought I had a good nomination. I'm not so convinced anymore, seeing what some of the others are purring up. sigh :-)

Is there a way to see my badge progress?

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

No

Well, the data explorer will help, but it's running on stale data

Moshe

@YiJiangs独角兽 How stale is the data?

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

It could be as old as two months

Let me see...

Moshe

Thanks

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

Last update is in September

Moshe

4:43 AM

@YiJiangs Is it possible for you to put together a "progress meter" or something, as of september, for the badges shown on your elections page?

Fosco

I managed to get Deputy today, and I'm not far from Convention. Not that I'm actively trying or anything, today was the first time I've flagged anything (in a while)

Moshe

Hey, @Fosco - What's up? I'm trying to bolster my elections image.

@Fosco Wow, heh.

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

@Moshe Eh, no, not really

Moshe

@YiJiangs独角兽 Not gonna lie, I suppose that was bit of an unrealistic request.

Yay, just got copy editor!

George Marian

Now, this is a story tailor made for The Register: Blogger freaks after airport lackey fondles checked-in vibrator

user156620

5:45 AM

Does anyone have links or titles for the MSO questions about writing question titles? I recall having read somewhere about dropping ‘How to’ but now I can’t find it.

Sathya

6:32 AM

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Q: Should question titles be phrased as questions? (A straw poll)

Should the titles of Stack Overflow questions be phrased as questions? For example, if I would like to learn good ways to "foo" a "bar", which is a better question title: How do I foo a bar? Fooing a bar Let's assume that in both cases I explicitly spell out the question in the body. Which ...

Chris

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Q: Would the Stack Exchange network be better if titles contained complete, grammatical questions?

We have had quite a few discussions here in the past of whether titles should be phrased as complete questions. For example: Should question titles be phrased as questions? (A straw poll) What's in a Title (line)? How can we get more people to make their title a question? Our guidance is a li...

discussion stackexchange title

user156620

Thanks!

Chris

No problem!

user156620

Though I’m not quite sure how to interpret those. For example, in Sathya’s link, the most upvoted answer is for How to. In Chris’ link, it’s the opposite.

Chris

That would tend to indicate disagreement.

Note, however, that the two questions were asked a year apart.

Perhaps the consensus has changed since the first question was asked?

user156620

6:42 AM

Maybe. It’s unclear to me how SO/MSO works in this regard.

Chris

How so?

user156620

Is it generally accepted that, if two contradictory answers are the most upvoted answers in their respective questions, then the most recent answer is regarded as the consensus and the other answer should be ignored?

user156620

And, if so, shouldn’t the older question (or maybe the answer) have a link that shows that it’s been superseded by the most recent question?

Chris

No, I think that two competing answers indicates lack of consensus

user156620

Otherwise, someone who reads the older answer only have no clue that it doesn’t apply any longer.

user156620

6:50 AM

Oh, I see what you mean.

Chris

I don't think that there's a really strong opinion on MSO about it.

Some people may feel strongly one way or the other, but overall I think that the reaction is rather "meh."

user156620

heh

Chris

Controversial topics tend to generate far more votes.

Actually, looking at the answers more closely, I think that they both agree that questions are better than statements.

user156620

Note quite. Jeff would rather not have ‘How to’.

Chris

Ah, true

I was reading Robert's (accepted) answer. Silly me!

Basically, though, I think the idea is to summarize the question as best you can in the title.

If it turns out to be a question, that's just icing on the cake.

user156620

6:58 AM

Sure. I ask this because I edited a question to make it clearer and, as part of my edit, I wrote the title without it being a ‘How to…’ question. The question was later edited to add a ‘How to…’ to the title, and it was the only edit.

Chris

Heh.

Chalk it up to individual preference.

To be honest, I think trivial edits like that are generally frowned upon, but of course people are free to make them if they want.

user156620

I think the editor was rushing to get a Copy Editor badge (which he did).

Chris

Or that.

tombull89

9:45 AM

Huh. Fanatic badge on M.SO, two days after Fanatic on SF.

Sathya

@tombull89 that gets activated at random times for me :/

Yi Jiang's 独角兽

@Sathya Random fanaticism, activated!

Sathya

@YiJiangs独角兽 :D

Fosco

11:18 AM

I'm at work at 6am.. haven't slept.

mootinator

3:05 PM

ugh

I'm at work at 9am. I had the most relaxing evening in a long time. Made up for the awful drive out here.

Fosco

Cool... The reason I didn't sleep is that a girl was over, and I'm smitten. Had a great night.

mootinator

Nice :)

If I recall correctly it's easy to fall asleep at one's desk after doing that.

Fosco

Yeah, I am struggling so far.. on my 2nd coffee and drank half of a 5-hr energy

Moshe

3:59 PM

Morning.

Sankar Ganesh

6:36 PM

@mootinator: hi , how are you mate

Moshe

NARQ:

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Q: Why is my iPhone app is crashing when working with a database?

I am new to Objective-C. I have created a UIView based iPhone app. After creating the .ipa, I have uploaded it to the iPhone through TestFlight. Now it runs smoothly everywhere. However, after clicking a button, it is crashing - where I have used a database related job. I'm using a sqlite databas...

objective-c sqlite

Sankar Ganesh

I came here to share this information guys

newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2011/11/…

and this one also

technewsworld.com/story/73699.html

Anonymous

You seem to be repeating yourself.

Moshe

Um, @SankarGanesh, you've posted the same article three times.

Sankar Ganesh

@Moshe Sorry guys here net problem so i am getting messgae that retry /cancel

that's why the problem also my browser throwing me an error regarding that you're seems to be disconnected that's why this happened let me check and remove

@Moshce and @mootinator: and @TimPost: and @TimStone: and @All: Gotta for a sleep , Bye Guys , Take Care, cya

Wes

6:52 PM

hey

Tim Stone

7:05 PM

A wild @GraceNote appears!

I had to double-check to make sure I was still on Meta chat.

Octavian Damiean

9:36 PM

looks around

Hello.

ircmaxell

Ahoy hoy

Moshe

10:25 PM

Hey

Wes

hello

robjb

11:02 PM

Is there any way to tell whether a feature-request that is not status-declined is under consideration and/or being implemented?

Rebecca Chernoff

link?

Shog9

11:32 PM

status-inprogress

mootinator

status-sigh

Shog9

status-planned actually exists, and is... somewhat used.

user156620

Wasn’t there a chat room for close/reopen… requests?

Shog9

yes

still is

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/227/regulator-headquarters

user156620

Cheers.

mootinator

11:41 PM

status-planned

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