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Journeyman Geek

1:25 AM

Hey, @SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog - are you removing the vampire tag too ?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Yes, per the upvoted burninate request

There were only two questions, so I removed it from both

Journeyman Geek

Feel free to get rid of any glaringly obviously meta tags like learning.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek What a coincidence - I was going to file a burninate request for that tag.

Journeyman Geek

Ah. Ok. Was going to say - I was taking my time with those so I was going to let you finish up.

Please do. Posting on my phone sucks

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

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Q: Why are tags on MSE being regularly removed/deprecated without discussion?

For a while now, on a daily basis, the front page of Meta.SE has been populated with old questions bumped because of retaggings -- mostly removals. Today ignore seems to be the target. As far as I know, burnination of tags should be well-motivated and accompanied by a Meta proposal to make sure ...

@JourneymanGeek Just don't want this situation from happening, though

Journeyman Geek

1:28 AM

Yup. One of the things I want to do it bring in that discussion

Imo, it's fine to singly get rid of obvious metatags while on a planned tag burn

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Gonna remove a few, but I filed a burninate request anyway, so the community knows

Journeyman Geek

Oh. I'd wait unless there is another tag to burn

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I just don't want people to complain that "people are removing tags based on chat discussions" again.

I'm following the CM's advice in the top answer.

user302202

1:45 AM

Hi Karolyn! I'm not quite sure what your question is. Your title says "cooking frozen french fries" but your body seems to be asking how to clean the pan. Are you looking for help with how to cook them properly in the future or how to get the residue off? — Catija ♦ 2 hours ago

user302202

You don't want to know what my body is asking...

user302202

(it's usually donuts)

Journeyman Geek

The body of the question ;p

....

That is annoying. Not sure it's a bug but...

I thought it was a dead pixel

(SO desktop view on mobile)

Bookends

2:28 AM

Wah! Morning...

Journeyman Geek

Whoa morning

Catija

3:27 AM

Whoa nellie!

Bookends

3:37 AM

2

Q: Was there a change to the Community Bot that stops it from bumping questions?

We normally see a few new questions per day, and then of those we normally only get what I would call "good" questions maybe 2-3 times per week. The thing that had kept the site seeming more fresh than that was the Community Bot, which would bump older questions to the top. This would typically ...

support

Did anyone feel the same on other SE sites?

Journeyman Geek

Errr. Most of my sites are busy enough I don't notice

Catija

@Bookends Yeah, I was talking with him earlier about that... I don't think we changed that but I can see whether there's just a shortage of questions that qualify.

Bookends

Based on this SEDE, there are 86 (107 from query - 21 last activity before 1 month) questions on Robotics.SE that are eligible for bumping, but apparently there's other criteria that are unknown to us..?

Anime.SE seems also lowered, though Android.SE is as strong as usual with Community bumps...

nvm, mystery solved

2

A: Was there a change to the Community Bot that stops it from bumping questions?

Good eye! This changed on around January 8th I've added a change here so that the community user can't rebump a question unless the original bump is more than 90 days in the past. The problem here was caused back in 2011 when the bumps were weighted a little more towards questions that h...

(someone gonna update the FAQ...?)

Journeyman Geek

3:58 AM

Hmm.

SO jobs questions go on MSO right?

Shog9

meh

Bookends

Yeah, it's only on SO

Shog9

the FAQ is also missing the bit about how certain sites only allow n bumped questions on the homepage at a time, and will refuse to bump more until some roll off

jmac pushed for that for Japanese.SO, since almost everyone using it was in the same timezone so they'd go to bed and... Wake up to a page full of bumps

Bookends

lol, that's interesting to know

Catija

I remember being annoyed that the same one post would show up every month, like clockwork. I think I eventually just voted on the answer to make it go away...

Shog9

4:01 AM

THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA!

Catija

But I had no idea whether the answer was correct or not. :hangs head in shame:

Shog9

you could've downvoted it too

Catija

I think I did...

I don't remember.

Shog9

ah, then all is well

Journeyman Geek

Downvote all the things!!!!

Bookends

4:03 AM

Upvote all the things!!!!

Journeyman Geek

Things all the subvotes!

user302202

4:29 AM

So, no more of this behaviour...

user302202

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Q: Why has the community user been bumping this question once a month for the last 9 months?

This question just got bumped. I've closed it now because it's an old question about a runaway issue in Google Chrome that must have been fixed some time in the last five years since the question was posted, but in the meantime, I notice that the community user has been bumping it almost exactly ...

support community-user

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 Edited that into the FAQ, using that message as the source.

Also, looks like we have another historically-locked question that qualifies for bumping. Last time this happened, you just deleted them.

user302202

So, answered a question on Stack Exchange that received 70 upvotes in just a few hours. Slept feeling 'king of the world'. Woke up to see the question itself is deleted. All that reputation points lost #FML

Tweeted by KharoBangdo on February 5, 2019 at 11:45 AM

user302202

The tragedy of King HNQ

Bookends

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog as far as my understanding, after the January 8th update, an already bumped question can only be bumped again after 90 days, not 30 days

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

4:43 AM

@Bookends Link please?

Bookends

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog MSO which is linked on MRobotics

Catija

120...

Journeyman Geek

I see that and raise 121....

Catija

> Now, questions have to wait a solid 4 months (120 days) after being bumped before they can be bumped again, unless some other form of activity (new answer, edit, etc.) occurs on them in the interim.

Bookends

ah, right, "more than 90 days", not "after 90 days"

consufing

> or am I just fake news

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

4:55 AM

Edited the FAQ and the changelog post as well.

user302202

I still don't see how "have to wait a solid 4 months (120 days) after being bumped" comes from "the original bump is more than 90 days in the past."

user302202

I'm pretty sure there are numbers between 90 and 120.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Mrs.Robinson Did you see the Robotics Meta link? It was posted a month later, when it was changed from 90 to 120.

Catija

@Mrs.Robinson There's a thirty day minimum. If the post is untouched in those 30 days, an additional 90 days are required, unless there's activity during those 90 days.... so, if the question waited for 40 days and someone answered it, it would be eligible for bumping by community again at 70 days rather than 120.

user302202

If a question got bumped on day 1000, next time it is eligible to be bumped is: (a) 1091; (b) 1120?

Catija

5:09 AM

Hmmm... Oh, ... yeah. Should be a... I think. Only @Shog9 knows.

The soonest a second bump could happen would be 120 days but it's only 90 days since the first bump.

I think...

Shog9

Code sez 120. Which I guess is technically "more than 90 days"

Catija

@Mrs.Robinson I think it's possible that it should read "have to wait a solid 4 months (120 days) after being asked". ?

Shog9

Maybe Jason meant 90 days after the existing 30 day waiting period

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6:18 AM

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Journeyman Geek

6:33 AM

As seen on a question I just closed...

> Please reply as soon as possible as we are working on project deliverables.

:/

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

7:04 AM

@JourneymanGeek Pizza delivery guy?

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ if they made pizza like they wrote software....

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek You never know what's in the pizzas these days

Journeyman Geek

Hah.

I know what's in mine

Even have a pizza steel my mom strongly distrusts

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Alex

Steel pizza?

Bookends

7:11 AM

Pizza Driven Development

Journeyman Geek

@Alex might be hard on your teeth

Alex

Teeth are overrated.

Journeyman Geek

Mine is actually a bit on the light side

Magisch

morning

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Tinkeringbell

8:03 AM

Morning!

Magisch

Morning

Whats going on in crazy outsourced world?

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Journeyman Geek

@Magisch woof

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Magisch

I was more referring to @tink 's situation of being in the team with the annoying coworker

Journeyman Geek

8:08 AM

Ah

Tinkeringbell

8:23 AM

@Magisch Lots. Mainly me complaining about how we do releases and about how co-worker seriously hinders my productivity by not looking up a thing himself.

Magisch

releases the kraken

Mithrandir

everybody dies

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I'm undiable Mith

Undyiaible

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Heh. Juuuust got a call from the scrum master about sounding a little frustrated this morning.

Ah well, 1,5 week more after this and I hopefully don't have to handle this stuff ever again.

Magisch

In actuality the kraken is just misunderstood

kraken in general do not attack humans, nor do they pose legitimate threats

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:34 AM

Neither do sharks

Except the creepy ones that attack ship wrecks

Derpy

8:46 AM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ so, you can't be dyed?

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy his colours don't run

@Magisch they just hug ships?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Derpy <long slightly philosophical rant on the laymen concepts of color and whether molecules possess them>

@JourneymanGeek Itchy back probably

Ships aren't the ideal backscratchers but what else you got in the middle of a giant tub?

Journeyman Geek

Rocks? The doorjambs of the sunken city of ryleh?

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek Never actually heard of a confirmed instance of a kraken attacking a ship

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek Did you mean: R'lyeh?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:52 AM

@JourneymanGeek They contain too much moisture. Kinda unpleasant. Also it's awkward in front of the reefs

John C. Ryleh

Bookends

O'Really?

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch you have never heard of any survivors

@Derpy yes

Bookends

@JourneymanGeek Obra Dinn?

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ so does the sea

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek I'm pretty sure small friendly terrier dogs have killed more people in the history of humanity then kraken have

Journeyman Geek

8:58 AM

@Bookends it's on my list

@Magisch you can't prove that.

Derpy

Quick Trivia:

Journeyman Geek

tailwags menacingly

Bookends

I spot eyespot

Derpy

Zealandia is a sunken continent near Australia

it also happens to be very close to 47°9′S 126°43′W

And it actually originated from a mass of continental crust that sank after breaking away from Australia 60–85 million years ago...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Heh, like Australia sneezed

Derpy

9:02 AM

So, every time someone claims that in Australia everything is trying to kill you....

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Don't worry, in 20 years time we'll be saying the same about Bangladesh

Derpy

remember, that is basically Cthulhu home.

Bookends

Krakatoa is trying to kill me

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Bookends Negotiate a nuclear deal

Then sanction the hell out of Krakatoa

Bookends

I negotiated, it threw lava at me

Journeyman Geek

9:13 AM

Mr Lava Lava....

Magisch

The email fiasco on MSO is interesting but people are so hyperbolic

"This could cost millions in GDPR fines" no it wont, regulatory agencies are not frothing at the mouth to bankrupt businesses

Journeyman Geek

Wait. Another one?

Link?

Unless you mean the watch one

Bookends

The currently 200+ MSO post

oh, the initial 2019 Dev Survey

Journeyman Geek

Ah. Ok

Saw it

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek what happened with the watch?

Bookends

9:19 AM

The viagra email spam...

Martin

@Catija I see that there was some update on meta about duplicate comments with MathJax. Thanks for checking on that - if it was you who moved the things to SE devs.

Magisch

I find it a bit frustrating how everyone reads "4% of turnover or 20m$" and immediately assumes that will be what's on the line. No agency to date has actually sanctioned such a maximum fine, and there have been significantly more serious violations sanctioned

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch CC instead of BCc happened

Magisch

oh that thing

I already forgot about that again, outside of deleting the email so I don't have the addresses anymore

there is so much fearmongering over GDPR

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Magisch

9:23 AM

I hear it myself all the time in my capacity as DPO of my company. Usually it's external "consultants" or vested interests that beat the drum of "your going to get fined out of business" when every single regulatory agency in my country has in fact said that no there will be no such thing. That combined with how GDPR currently plays out (for instance in my state, fines have so far only been issued after continued ignoring of agency guidance, you usually get a warning + follow up audit first)

and the agency has stated that its goal is not to fine people but to increase adoption of privacy protections across the industry without being unreasonable about it. The entire fearmongering industry is just preying on the fact that GDPR is somewhat vaguely written

this has been a speciality mint tea fueled rant by a confused and slightly miffed cactus

Mithrandir

!!/tea Mag

SmokeDetector

@Mithrandir brews a cup of mint tea for @Mag

Mithrandir

well how's that for luck

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9:41 AM

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Derpy

10:00 AM

@Magisch I find also a bit frustrating that some are claiming others are overreacting. I mean... one is free to think this is yet "just an error", but others are also free to be angry.

Magisch

@Derpy No I totally get why people are angry and upset. I even wrote an answer outlining how people might be in the second meta. But I don't like how people are drumming the "this could be the end of the company in fines" thing. discussing potential litigation and regulatory action wrt. this is not really a useful discussion imo

now discussing why it's annoying and angering on the other hand I can get

Derpy

@Magisch look, I will be direct, without any attempt at sugarcoating the thing.

some time ago JNat made an error with the BCc thing

but it was "just" that: an error.

a pretty bad error

an error that got me pretty annoyed when someone decided to make a joke out of it - and somehow put an image beacon lookalike in a spam mail directed to an hundred of other users (btw, wonder if the security investigations about that thing ever produced anything noteworthy)...

but still an error, and I am willing to forgive an error

This Amazon thing...

is not an error.

Magisch

I'll admit i'm very glad about not being affected by the amazon thing

Derpy

It is a shortcut

Magisch

amazon in general is just an unending claptrap of spam

Derpy

10:07 AM

a lame shortcut someone though was acceptable to reduce workload

and - to me - that only brings to one conclusion.

Whoever did that choice didn't care about consequences.

Magisch

never attribute to malice or willful ignorance what can be attributed to a lack of training

Derpy

"Acceptable cost / benefit" probably.

Magisch

Also techniques like this are frequently used to build detailed profiles on people based on email address :P

Derpy

> The most expedient way to deliver the gift cards was to upload a .csv file of email addresses to Amazon

and

> Again, we apologize for not considering the privacy implications.

read my previous messages carefully. I never said anything about malice

Magisch

still seems like a failure of training

Derpy

10:17 AM

I said "didd't care" - either willfully or not.

To be clear, you say lack of training.

I say the failure is at an higher level

Lack of empathy.

Magisch

I doubt they were aware of the implications of sending emails to amazon

they said explicitly "Only for the purposes of sending gift cards" well there was probably some fineprint in the amazon disclaimer to upload these that wasn't read

Derpy

even then what worries me is not that they "weren't aware". Is that no-one had enough TLC to ask himself what said implication were (or, in your example - to actually read the fineprint)

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Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

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Derpy

10:47 AM

BTW.....

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A: Address ONLY used for SO account receiving programming related spam

Moderators and employees are forbidden to share any of your information. They refrain from doing so not so much it's because that's the rule, but because they're great people that hate recruiter spam too :) We log all access to personally-identifying information. No one, employee or moderator, h...

First phrase.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog that question... Sans context...

> The problem is God object is penetrating inside the bunny

Magisch

Most users affected by this are probably bound to arbitration if they want to sue anyways, so ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy that's slightly different. A few tech companies have been known to actually contact folks with higher profiles on SE in the past

(since email addresses were visible then)

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek Beg my pardon, Journey, never said that was the same thing. I wanted to point out that the fist line is...

> Moderators and employees are forbidden to share any of your information

Journeyman Geek

Ah yes.

Magisch

10:55 AM

Thats an unfortunate wording I'd assume

Journeyman Geek

We're aware of that. User facing employees are... Apparently this one wasn't

Magisch

there's probably an implied tailing unless permitted to do so by our privacy policy & company policies... at the end of that

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch actually it's correct as far as mods go

Magisch

well yeah mods

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek Which bring - to quote the cactus words - to this:

> means that it was possible for the marketing department to

a) arbitrarily access user email addresses

b) decide to send them to a third party to save time

c) nobody internally who could raise an issue was either notified or thought it severe enough to disclose to the users until after a complaint on meta

Journeyman Geek

10:57 AM

@Derpy or d) realised it was an issue

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek see the "lack of TLC" message I posted before.

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek falls under c) nobody internally who could raise an issue was either notified

if someone in my company would want to do something like that, they'd have to ask me

and I'd probably say no

which has happened on similarish cases where the marketing department got creative and couldn't do what they wanted

ArtOfCode

@Magisch I'm not :)

but I get emails from Amazon anyway so I'd have a hard time proving damages

Journeyman Geek

Which kinda comes down to what's a more workable workflow.

Derpy

@Magisch again, would expect anyone to spend a minute thinking about the implications of that plan before having to reach out to you.

Journeyman Geek

11:04 AM

@Derpy it's entirely possible that no one's ever complained or that's simply how they have done it or no one thought of adding a bunch of cya legalese or...

And it's probably not really marketing. It's probably folks closer to the data side of things

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek ? Don't get what you mean, sorry.

Journeyman Geek

It's probably a honest mistake that might have been happening for years

And now that someone pointed it out...

Armchair quarterbacking is good and fine but realistically people don't always reach for the perfect, watertight, cya, legally safe solution

They do what works

And grumpy person hat on, I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of comments are by unaffected folks.

(OP was. I think his arguments as a whole were very reasonable, as was his reaction to the apology)

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek and even if they are?

so, didn't affect me === it's fine?

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy well depends on why you're unhappy

I'm personally not really a fan of piling on with 'you're all awful'

Which a lot if comments feel like. As an unaffected party maybe in future I'd ask about information sharing in such situations once things have shaken down.

Magisch

11:33 AM

@Derpy you would be incredibly surprised

Derpy

@Magisch read "expect" as "I would hope that at least [they spend a minute ...]", not as "I think they will"

basically, I meant that to me putting some Time, Love and Care into the task - meaning to do some bare research into what you are doing - in that case would be something that I would hope would be the bare minimum.

Totally agree that sadly is not often the case as this incident demonstrates

and no, again sadly , I am not even surprised since that seems to be how the world goes nowadays

Journeyman Geek

Eh. That assumes bad faith

Magisch

That could easily be because the small marketing department has 500 things to do and only 100 time

as ours does frequently

Journeyman Geek

As opposed to 'amazon has this tool - we could use it to get these folks gift cards faster'

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek where?

Journeyman Geek

11:44 AM

@Derpy the mild insinuation people don't really care?

Derpy

I only assume lack of giving importance to other felling / priorities.

Which could indeed be on purpose.

Journeyman Geek

And saying people are not putting TLC into their work is literally the definition of armchair quarterbacking

You don't really know though

Derpy

Sorry, we will have to disagree on this one.

Journeyman Geek

That an action was ill considered or problematic is ok to say. Saying apparently people don't care dosen't seem very fair

We don't know the decision making factors.

Derpy

You may not know that a mail is Personal Info. May not be trained. But apparently you were fine with just doing it.

Journeyman Geek

11:47 AM

Eh. I don't consider email particularly secret

Magisch

There are thousands of things I "just do" every day. For instance 3 minutes ago I made a SQL Update change on production without a transaction

Journeyman Geek

But once again - it's about the action and changes, not the people

@Magisch you monster.... Actually... We do that too often

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Derpy It's a stretch getting from that to mal-intent though

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Derpy

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ sorry, seems either I have some serious issues expressing my mind in a way that won't be distorted or ... I don't know.

To me, this "mal-intent" assumption that I don't recognize to have made would mean saying that someone knew what he was doing and didn't care.

something intentional

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

12:03 PM

@Derpy No I get what you're saying, but I'm saying that is not such a high bar to dislike people for

Derpy

after all, is "mal-intent"

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy and that's what it sounds like to me

Derpy

I say that the only thing I see is Indifference.

choosing to not have to chose.

simply put..

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy and I'm saying that's an unfair thing to assume

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Meh, you guys keep putting things simply. My English is lacking at the moment so I'm gonna just solve some thermocalculations

Magisch

12:07 PM

I think it's far more likely they do care a lot but things got lost in the shuffle

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Derpy

Assume? It is a pretty objective conclusion imho. Mind you, I am not talking about single persons, the only "person" in my reasoning is the company as a whole.

Had a problem, required a "lot" of work. Saw a simpler solution. Again, pretty sure the company didn't meant anyone harm when choosing said shortcut.

That said, I am indeed saddened to see that time was not put into considering the consequences of that shortcut.

Catija

@Martin :) I happened to know who to point that direction. I don't always (yet).

Derpy

And that is what I meant by lack of TLC or indifference.

Magisch

a cataclysmic impact, really :P

Derpy

12:13 PM

the mail incident happened about a month ago.

to quote the reply we got back then.

> We're looking at what systems we can use for similar situations in the future, so as to avoid emails like these having to be sent manually from our personal inboxes, which is much more prone to errors like these happening.

Magisch

@Derpy At the certificate training program that I did for GDPR we had one of the participant's company make such a mistake. We used it to discuss how to file regulatory agency disclosure things and what to expect in the following audit :p

was a newsletter then though

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy which is essentially saying they'll try to fix it. Actually that's roughly what I do when I mess things up at work ;p

Granted my systems are less cool.

What else should they do? Chop off a pinky?

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek .... not falling in the same trap a month later?

Magisch

firing some people to placate the masses like big corps usually do is the wrong move and unfair in my eyes

Journeyman Geek

In a slightly different scenario yes?

@Magisch I believe that would count as a pointy stick

Derpy

12:21 PM

yep and the slightly different scenario makes things worse - still imho

Journeyman Geek

And in this case was someone unsure of the process and CC instead of BCC

And was mainly an issue cause a well known user decided to be too clever

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek the well known user was just the frosting

and the beacon joke was the frosting over the frosting.

Journeyman Geek

Still an honest mistake

Which is a thing that happens

Derpy

exactly

an honest mistake

Journeyman Geek

And yet it keeps getting dragged up :/

Derpy

12:30 PM

yep, it keeps.

Journeyman Geek

Sure SO occasionally does dumb things. Sometimes they do mystifying things - but I doubt they hire folks who half-ass things.

I'm fine bringing up the first two, or even the third appropriately with the aim of changing things

Derpy

And it keeps "getting dragged up" because it showed that one needs to think about what he is doing when handling personal info. Yet, the same mistake was made little later.

Journeyman Geek

But if we're going to accuse folks of things let's not rely on conjecture and guesswork

Derpy

and this time, it wasn't a mistake. This time it was a choice. An ill one, but a choice. A misguided one, but still a choice. Made by someone who didn't realize the consequences, still a choice. In a hurry? Still a choice.

Journeyman Geek

Made presumably with good intentions. 'hey, let's not let people wait 6 to 8 weeks'

But you are free to assume the worst of folks.

Derpy

12:35 PM

Again, said multiple time that I am sure of that. I will gladly leave nonsense like "they sold the data to amazon, got a big bag of $ and now trying to cover up" out of this, thanks.

But, in the same way, fell free to assume I meant that.

As for me, I will have just to conclude that whatever training, correction, information campaign the previous incident put into motion... didn't have the expected results.

At least not the one that I hoped for.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

12:50 PM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323671/…

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323670/…

Tinkeringbell

I must have sounded really, really annoyed this morning during standup... Two people have already called me to ask if I was okay :/

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell Are you okay?

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell Maybe you lost feathers?

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I'm kinda imagining something like that parakeet we used to have, it flapped its wings so hard dust and feathers would fly everywhere :)

Magisch

Call it your Gust attack and tell them you have 19/20 PP left where that came from

Journeyman Geek

12:59 PM

PP?

Magisch

Pokemon reference

Journeyman Geek

Ah

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha I stuck with reassuring them I wouldn't be lying awake tonight and this was outside their ability to fix as well ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell Is it Nespresso Einstein getting to you or the current job generally sucks?

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ It was Nespresso again

Magisch

12:59 PM

In pokemon, attacks have "power points", abbreviated by the game as PP. You can use an attack that many times before your pokemon has to rest at a poke center or sleep

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