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Journeyman Geek

12:20 AM

Or getting gold badges ;)

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

12:43 AM

@ArtOfCode Shadow is one of a couple users who explicitly accepts this type of ping.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog broader points though

- assuming he's free

- you're basically using pings to do things you haven't earned the ability to, ironically in an attempt to curate things...

And that tendency to justify as $user dosen't mind does get you in trouble a lot

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

1:02 AM

Someone posted an answer to a site-recommendation that actually attempts to answer the quoted question, not the recommendation question: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323054/…

and myself

2:03 AM

huh, morning...

Makyen

2:31 AM

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ɪBᴜɢ

2:45 AM

@Sonic I see your canned comment on blatantly OT questions. Wanna try out Glorfindel's userscript? Auto comment (if no existing comment) + Auto CV + Auto down + Auto del

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ɪBᴜɢ I don't like the canned comment built in to that user script, and there's no way to change it.

ɪBᴜɢ

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog You can modify that userscript directly :)

Rob

Beat me to it.

ɪBᴜɢ

In your Tampermonkey / Greasemonkey editor

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ɪBᴜɢ Meh. I'd rather not see Doom references inside SE

ɪBᴜɢ

2:55 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Doom?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ɪBᴜɢ doom.fandom.com/wiki/Lost_soul

You haven't played that video game?

ɪBᴜɢ

Nope, didn't play

Probably not my genre

My inventory: GTA Series, The Witness, World of Goo, Human Resource Machine, Polarity, Portal (1/2), etc.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ɪBᴜɢ Doom is a first-person shooter, originally released in 1993 for MS-DOS and 5th-generation consoles, then re-released in 2016 for 8th-generation consoles.

ɪBᴜɢ

oh, FPS, then, not my game :(

I play primarily puzzling ones, with a small selection of action (GTA).

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ɪBᴜɢ It's also a puzzle game...find the right way out while killing any enemies you encounter on the way. The DOS version isn't very violent and is often enjoyed by people who don't normally like FPS games.

ɪBᴜɢ

3:04 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog sounds like worth a try. I also recomment The Witness

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

6:40 AM

@Tinkeringbell I knew this!

Mithrandir

7:36 AM

→ 26 messages moved to Chimney

rene

sunrise ...

Mithrandir

→ 3 messages moved to Trashcan

SmokeDetector

7:49 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (97): iPhone Backing Up ✏️ by Chip on apple.SE

Tinkeringbell

@rene Quite late :P Morning!

and myself

sunshine ...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad ns for domain in body (98): who is richest beggar in the world? by umesh prajapati on mathoverflow.net

Alex

Sunset...

rene

@Tinkeringbell Heh, I had the train 7:24 ... The alarm went at 5:30 .... Morning! ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:03 AM

@Mith why did you trash that though? Wasn't it a genuine question?

and myself

Setting snooze duration to 3 minutes is apparently more effective than 5/10/30 minutes...

Mithrandir

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ reasons

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I'm not questioning your action

I'm questioning your action

and myself

I'm questioning your question ಠ_ಠ

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@andmyself Waking up with the first ringing is more effectiver

Of course it could have been a trick question, ending up in the asker derailing the conversation to a rant about a certain site's mods

But "could"

Unless I'm missing something

@andmyself Have you seen my other blue pen?

Mithrandir

8:07 AM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Or are simply not privy to history-related things...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Yeah that's what missing something means Shakespeare

9

A: Can we flesh out /help/someone-answers a bit more?

Not an official answer, but a personal, philosophical response — Over the years, we've had a tendency to bury (or completely omit) system responses to inadvisable actions which don't necessarily warrant a full-on confrontation with a user. For example: surface flags you received serial voting ...

Has a point. Smoothing the learning curve is the welcoming thing to do that doesn't hurt either side

and myself

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I has it

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@andmyself I KNEW IT. Give it back, I need to solve some chem questions

And I'm not sure tweaking help is going to smooth it up all that much

Tinkeringbell

@rene You take two hours to get from bed to train? :/

and myself

gave the red pen

Mithrandir

8:13 AM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Right, which is why this particular request is much less powerful without the linked request. If the linked request is implemented, this one becomes more helpful.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

People have this attitude that stuff written in help etc. is just a list of boilerplate and unhelpful responses thrown at their face so the mod/veteran user doesn't have to explain things

That is true but the perspective is not helping

So they won't read it

Magisch

It's a classical and universal issue

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Or their mind won't accept it

Magisch

"read the docs" is used everywhere and very rarely actually has the desired effects

rene

@Tinkeringbell I had to create the sprint review slide-deck ... before I jumped on the train ...

Tinkeringbell

8:15 AM

@rene Ah.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell Lest you haven

Tinkeringbell

Those are always fun to make (not)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

. . . 't noticed, flowers stick to the ground

So the first hour is digging up his roots

and myself

Am I the outlier that I want the tour page to be reformed ~~a little bit~~?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@andmyself You're the outlier

But not in that case

Unless I'm an outlier too

and myself

8:28 AM

We are all outliers

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

What if everyone is an outlier? You don't see too many dots in the middle of a circle

and myself

Outliers united

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I suck at soccer

Or maybe I socc at sucker

Journeyman Geek

@andmyself I kinda like the tour

I feel help is unwieldy

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Heh. And here am I, writing answers saying 'automated feedback doesn't make much sense to me' :P

Journeyman Geek

8:42 AM

@Tinkeringbell but you're a software developer. Everything should be automated ;p

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Only if it's actually useful? I mean, I'm not going to automate when my PC starts up and shuts down :P

Or when the shower starts/stops

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell .... I totally have a plan on how to do the former...

and I can see the value on doing the latter with a water heater ;p

ɪBᴜɢ

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog If you like, I can fork Glorfindel's userscript in my repo, and provide a different canned comment.

and myself

@ɪBᴜɢ and different link name... because he doesn't want to have 'lost soul' on SE...

ɪBᴜɢ

easy to change too

Derpy

9:20 AM

morning

rene

morning

John Dvorak

morning

Journeyman Geek

9:41 AM

AFTERNOON

2

@Tinkeringbell boingboing.net/2019/01/28/crocheted-budgies-for-a-frien.html

Tinkeringbell

Pretty :)

I still have this one on a TODO list ;)

Magisch

today in screw you browser: ignoring explicit instructions to invalidate the cache

Derpy

10:05 AM

Will the parrot handle the flag? Or will the dog outrun her again? Follow us in the next episode of "Meta Spammy Profiles", after the commercial break.

Magisch

and now, a word from our sponsor charcoal....

Ever had problems with spam? get charcoal

John Dvorak

Also works for naughty children

SmokeDetector

11:08 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer (86): How do I change the email address used for Google Play? by Rahul on android.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user (155): How do I change the email address used for Google Play? by Rahul on android.SE

Avnish Kabaj

11:54 AM

Why are users allowed to to vote in meta sites using their association bonus?

Every meta has a different set of rules and everything

Like the homework policy is interpreted differently on math chem and phy

Similarily for the community promotion ads

I don't think anyone's (any community) is exploiting this but only regulars/users that have earnt the right to vote should be able to do so (without the association bonus)

Magisch

Sounds like posting a feature request to MSE would be best to address that

be sure to check if it's been asked before

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch There already are a few. I'm reading them now, trying to find out the reasons why the voting system works as it works.

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Q: Require reputation earned on the main site to vote on a per-site meta

Upvoting requires 15 reputation, but the association bonus is taken into account, so if you have at least 200 reputation on any site, you can upvote on all sites in the network. This is a bit problematic when it comes to per-site metas. The votes there are used to gauge the opinion of the commun...

50

Q: The association bonus should not enable users to vote on every site

The number of upvotes for a question is a flawed measure of question quality, one particular issue is that the amount of exposure a question gets matters a lot. Questions that were linked in the hot questions list tend to get an enormous amount of votes, much more than any questions gets organica...

feature-request status-declined voting hot-questions association-bonus

Magisch

Extra Bizarre: Assoc bonus voters can upvote but not downvote, skewing vote totals heavily

Tinkeringbell

> SE has declined blanket restrictions on voting before, and I can understand that.

Nice link, much helpful :P

I'll do more digging later, I got actual work to do :P

And I still need to go dinner shopping, mom forgot half of the groceries again.

Avnish Kabaj

I've also felt that there should be vote down on comments as well

SmokeDetector

12:05 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): What kind of planes are on this old photo? by AGARWAL A-ONE PACKERS on aviation.SE

Tinkeringbell

@AvnishKabaj That's called a flag. If a comments isn't useful, it can usually go. :P

Avnish Kabaj

Users post snarky could comments I've flagged them countless times

But they always get some upvotes because generally they are having a newbie

They need to know that it's not cool

And I'm tired of pinging them in the chat, gave up a couple of months ago

*hazing not having

Tinkeringbell

@AvnishKabaj Keep flagging. Three validated unkind flags in a week trigger a moderator flag ;)

If they're spread over more time, perhaps use a custom flag.

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell notes down info

Tinkeringbell

In the end, this is something moderators need to fix.

Avnish Kabaj

12:09 PM

I can't catch all the comments

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch That's no secret ;)

source

Magisch

I'm an information based organism :p

Tinkeringbell

@AvnishKabaj True. That's always going to be a bit of a problem, and that's where you have community for. No single user should moderate everything

If you feel other people aren't doing enough and you regularly end up flagging unkind, older comments, perhaps it's time to raise an issue on a site specific meta first?

Avnish Kabaj

The meta is dead on chem

Tinkeringbell

@AvnishKabaj That's not good. :/

Avnish Kabaj

12:12 PM

I'm the newest 3k+ user

Since two years

Magisch

meta is dead on a lot of sites

Journeyman Geek

Actually that's both vaguely why the association reputation dosen't matter that much

Association reputation indicates you get the system roughly

and you need a certain level of engagement in a site to do meta

Derpy

I assume @ShadowWizard will be happy to discover that the second spammy profile wasn't deleted.

Journeyman Geek

wait... what?

Shadow Wizard

what woot?

@Derpy yay! checking

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nah, this can't be turned into Den, walls are too thick.

Derpy

12:31 PM

@JourneymanGeek flagged two profiles, first one was clearly abusive, second one had just a somehow questionable picture and some text in foreign language. Second one was left.

Journeyman Geek

odd

reflag please

I looked at the flag and I totally don't see the second

or post and delete here, its probably faster ;)

Derpy

... already reflagged, didn't see the message sorry

but... you know, this may be actually good.

I am starting to see a pattern with some old odd flagging issues.

if the link to the user profile isn't displayed in your mod interface... then we know that links with weird encoding somehow manage to break the UI

also, small disclaimer

Don't really know if it is indeed trying to advertise bad stuff or is just a somehow questionable picture choice, would require checking the link in the profile and I am currently unable to do so

anyway, time for the weekly "Why are you doing this?" Trivia pop-quiz

Without using reverse image search

can anyone guess what this "lovely" piece of merchandise would be?

(Disclaimer: the Scold button still works.)

Rob

- Generally most people know not to be rude or abusive, or they find out why not quickly. That leaves three other flags for comments, the custom Mod flag (which requires reviewing the accused history, and for Sealioning that's a non-starter). The other two choices are: `It's unfriendly or unkind. - This comment is rude or condescending. Learn more in our Code of Conduct.
It's no longer needed.` ***and*** `This comment is outdated, conversational or not relevant to this post.` --- Again, snarky or poorly thought out (if you want to call them "dumb" that's up to you) comments generally are wo…

Tinkeringbell

12:47 PM

Woah. Too much markup

Rob

Don't know why it looks borked on my browser too. Fortunately you can process markdown. :)

John Dvorak

I can deal with markup. I can't deal with (see full text). Too much work to click it :P

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy curtain rods?

Rob

It was an attempt to separate quoted text from the flag dialog with the portions that I wrote. The comments we see skirt the line finely to avoid falling into a category that one can make a complaint under and be accepted. The mastercraftsman practices elsewhere before coming here.

John Dvorak

Multiline chat messages aren't processed with markdown.

Rob

12:56 PM

My last two comments were all one 'chat entry box worth' of input, the markdown wasn't split over two messages. I don't know why it took so big a block the first time, I was waiting for the "This message is too long" message that never came.

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek nope, much smaller

want a (not so useful) hint?

Rob

A wand

Tinkeringbell

@Rob There's a line break after 'Code of Conduct' now. That's why it doesn't show nicely

And I need to learn to type

Rob

I just glad that I managed to type that without getting nailed by autocorrect.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Rob What are you talking above? Auto correct is the beast thing their is.

Derpy

1:02 PM

@Rob somehow close. It is the replica of an anime character staff, but I am more interested in seeing if anyone can guess what is it intended purpose (of the replica, not the original staff)

Rob

Putting a line break there is going to foil the backquote markup. Here is an example of backquote markup.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 0.01% of the time it's funny, 90% of the time it's useful; it's the other ~10% that I object to.

The replica looks like a pipe.

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy tooth pick?

Magisch

It's catija!

a cataclysmic catastrophe leaving everyone catatonic

Catija

Meow?

Rob

Roar

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

1:22 PM

Meoar

^ Feline with existential crisis

Journeyman Geek

woof.

Magisch

1:37 PM

resisting urge to throw stick

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer (53): Is it possible to create a tool that reads smart contracts and check if it's safe? ✏️ by Neville Grech on ethereum.SE

and myself

🦊 < woof... meow...

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek sorry was afk for a while

but Yep, I will accept that

Actually, it is an earpick, but you were close enough.

and myself

mimikaki!?

(I thought we don't want to go on this same topic again?)

Derpy

didn't even knew the meaning of that word, had to google it

but... nope, just some weird attempt at selling Digimon themed collectibles

because....

the earpick is actually modeled to look like Angemon's staff

apparently, it also cost about 40$

and myself

1:47 PM

cheap, for a celestial weapon

Derpy

I think one could probably find a decent enough figure of the actual character for that price

Journeyman Geek

@andmyself stick it deep enough, and you get ear and brain surgery, cheap....

@Derpy blah, earpicks would be unfair. Most westerners are trained never to stick anything in their ears ever.

And asians go "let me stick this tiny spoon in my ear"

and myself

yeah, Japanese went "ear pick cafe" instead

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (64): How to transfer money by kazem zarepour on money.SE

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

When I was a kid I wondered how deep my finger can go into my ear.

and myself

1:52 PM

@SmokeDetector who doesn't want "500,000,000,000.00 (FIVE HUNDRED BILLION US)"

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy apparently was an... astroturf supplier

of all things.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SmokeDetector K

@andmyself Well, to me, only one America is enough trouble as-is

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek the second user?

Journeyman Geek

the vietnamese one

Rob

Save $40 and get a Hana pikkā

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

1:54 PM

Richest man on the planet with an Iranian username needs help transferring money. You'd wonder how he got that in the first place

Maybe the Bill Gates guy helped him for charitable purposes

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Wait, what?

Also, we use cotton swabs, so I wouldn't say we don't clean our ears out... we just don't have $40 tools for it.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija we use those too

Apparently you shouldn't ;p

Catija

As long as you're careful, it's fine. Mostly.

Journeyman Geek

but earpicks terrify me

Rob

1/2 a trillion in $100 bills equals 789.141414 miles of cash.

Journeyman Geek

2:01 PM

but apparently there's stuff that's oil based you pour into your ear and that softens the earwax or something

and myself

that's what Japanese provides... and costs US$40 ...

Magisch

@Catija my GP explicitly recommended against swabs

Journeyman Geek

@Catija en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ear_pick

oh oh

Ear candling

Ear candling, also called ear coning or thermal-auricular therapy, is an alternative medicine practice claimed to improve general health and well-being by lighting one end of a hollow candle and placing the other end in the ear canal. Medical research has shown that the practice is both dangerous and ineffective and does not help remove earwax or toxicants. == Safety and effectiveness == Edzard Ernst has published critically on the subject of ear candles, noting, "There is no data to suggest that it is effective for any condition. Furthermore, ear candles have been associated with ear injuries...

"Lets stick a burning candle in my ear!"

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Haha

Alternative medicine always cracks me up

Rob

Swabs are not recommended:

and myself

2:07 PM

@JourneymanGeek oh, that one! I watched one doctor on YouTube demonstrating this and... it worsen the situation ._.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

The idea is the real drugs have side effects and they elevate this and that in your blood, so let's instead focus on doing harm we can see with our eyes

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ the only folk remedies I believe in taste good. ;p

John Dvorak

For starters, consuming any substance will increase its own concentration in the bloodstream.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

No not necessarily

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title (98): Vauxhall Corsa Ecoflex 2013 - Map is showing me about 2 miles away by Belle Barlows-Portugal on mechanics.SE

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

2:09 PM

@SmokeDetector Why?

SmokeDetector

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Title - Position 15-22: Ecoflex

John Dvorak

either that, or it passes through without effect

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

OK I can only imagine . . .

John Dvorak

... other than mechanical effects, which are always adverse

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JohnDvorak there are quite a lot of drugs that undergo lots of changes before entering the blood, so you can't really say it's the chemical in the pill whose conc. increases

And well, a little -O-H group makes all the difference

Rob

2:11 PM

Just drink one beer and you're all set.

John Dvorak

... for sufficiently broad definitions of "its own"

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

And some others only stay in the blood for a very short amount of time until the liver turns them into that other thing that's supposed to go up in the blood

@JohnDvorak I'm just nitpicking

And flowing. Either of those

John Dvorak

Feel free to

Derpy

and back again

anyway... what can I say...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I'm back to the book

Derpy

2:13 PM

I blame responsibility for the earpick thing to TVTropes

which also reminded me of some other old very wrong merchandise someone had the brilliant idea to make.

Derpy

2:26 PM

will spare you the original one I had in mind...

but this is too bad not to share.

Magisch

4:13 PM

TIL there are deer in japan that bow in exchange for snacks

ArtOfCode

Pavlov's deer

and myself

Snack Exchange

Mithrandir

4:29 PM

@andmyself trello.com/c/laFeVijt/1-what-is-this-board-for

Doesn't seem to work anymore, but that used to be a "Snack Overflow" thing for the cooks at SE/O.

SmokeDetector

5:21 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body (97): How do I accept a taanis dibbur on myself? by ShtarkBochur on judaism.SE

SmokeDetector

5:52 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body (97): How do I accept a taanis dibbur on myself? by ShtarkBochur on judaism.SE

Tinkeringbell

6:36 PM

Oh, you still didn't get around to flagging that one?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell Oops, sorry

My mistake.

Will remember to flag.

SmokeDetector

6:52 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad ns for domain in answer (61): How to find all photos taken in April - any April? by bathmate28 on photo.SE

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@SmokeDetector tpu-

rene

7:09 PM

Ahh, thanks. Yeah I got here through a prompt on stack overflow, I selected this as a software problem and was ultimately redirected here. — Arthur Wilson 11 mins ago

What prompt could that be?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@rene Likely an accidental click on some link to an FAQ

ArtOfCode

AaQ wizard?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@rene Perfect

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@rene Can I get a link to the wizard?

Tinkeringbell

questions/ask/wizard?

I'm going to try that one now :)

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

7:22 PM

@Tinkeringbell That's 404

Tinkeringbell

stackoverflow.com/questions/ask/wizard

Does that work?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

24 secs ago, by Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell That's 404

Tinkeringbell

I've heard the wizard appears randomly.

perhaps that's why

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell Does it actually load the wizard for you?

Tinkeringbell

It looks like a wizard.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

7:24 PM

@Tinkeringbell Huh, it shows as 404 for me.

John Dvorak

Tinkeringbell

@rene Not the question wizard, I think.

Those are the available options, they seem to map to the questions I posted above ;)

Those links seem to land you in help centers though, so perhaps through there to MSE?

Let's play that game some people play on wikipedia. Find the fastest route from superuser.com/help to MSE :P

Alex

@Tinkeringbell Two clicks.

Tinkeringbell

Should I have specified more limits? Click where? :P

Alex

At the bottom of the page:

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

7:32 PM

1

Q: Link to Ask a Question Wizard gives 404, but not for others

I'm trying to access the Ask A Question wizard, for the purposes of answering a question over on Meta Stack Exchange. The link to the wizard is supposedly at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/ask/wizard. According to some users, that link leads to an actual wizard. But when I try to click on i...

discussion bug 404-not-found ask-question-wizard

Alex

Tinkeringbell

Through help center articles! I can do it in two then too ;)

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

May 24 '18 at 20:49, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

IIRC many people follow a link to MSE and not realize they're on a different site. I hope this doesn't start happening more often once certain design elements become universal under Joe Friend's plan.

13

Q: Does the new unified design theme result in more off-topic questions where lost users asked on the wrong site?

This is partially a request for opinion, and partially a request for statistics. For a very long time, Meta Stack Exchange has suffered from a problem where a lot of users ask blatantly off-topic questions here, such as programming questions. One of the reasons for posting off-topic questions he...

discussion support off-topic responsive-design

Alex

@Tinkeringbell Ah, I guess I misunderstood the challenge.

EKons

in Programming Puzzles & Code Golf, we tend to close such underspecified challenges as either "unclear what you're asking" or "too broad"...

Tinkeringbell

7:35 PM

@Alex Nah, I forgot that I'm dealing with a bunch of really smart people :P

@EKons Heh. I guess you can reopen mine, I've edited :P

EKons

it's not closed if nobody says "VTC"... ;)

and, of course, nobody can now

Alex

@Tinkeringbell I've been accused of worse...

Tinkeringbell

@Alex I'm a mod. I'm not allowed to accuse people of worse :P

Alex

Well other moderators apparently don't have such high standards.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

9:00 PM

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323144/…

Alex

Is there anything more recent than Jeff Atwood's answer from 8+ years ago (with no votes) about enabling migration from Meta sites to Main sites?

0

A: Provide migration facilities from meta to other sites

Metas are black holes -- and this is completely intentional. You can't migrate away from meta, only toward a meta as a final resting place for a question. We might have a special case where an engine-only question is migrated from a per-site (child) meta to the engine meta (here), but that's ab...

ArtOfCode

9:17 PM

Moderators can migrate away from meta sites

If it really needs doing, flag for moderators to do it

Alex

Yeah, in the case I'm thinking of a moderator already noticed it before me. I was just wondering why regular users have the ability to migrate questions from the main site to the meta site but not the reverse.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Because it happens common enough

And because they're trusted not to not know when to do it

Alex

Surely it happens with some amount of frequency that someone posts a question on the Meta site when it should be on the Main site?

FreezePhoenix

Nope

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Alex Yep, and probably most commonly on ELL

But it never has the potential to be overwhelming

Alex

9:22 PM

It may not be overwhelming, but is there any downside to having the ability?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Alex No I guess not

Someone visiting meta and with the power to VTC most probably knows what they're doing

It's a pretty trivial feature though

Hardly worth a meta post.

ArtOfCode

@Alex the most likely situation for that to happen in is with new users - except you have to have 5 rep on the main site to post on meta, so it can't

user302202

@Alex Regular users can't migrate unless there is a tag on the question that matches a tag on the destination site. Main->meta migration is special-cased: [discussion] is added automatically. No logical way to do that for meta->main.

Alex

@Mrs.Robinson You can migrate from a Main site to its Meta site.

Or does that also got blocked if there is no common tag?

Scratch that, I apparently didn't read your entire comment.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Mrs.Robinson Sure there is: [untagged]

Alex

9:30 PM

@ArtOfCode I'd say that someone with 5 reputation is probably still pretty new.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ArtOfCode It does happen

But the number of metas asked on main is probably 20 times bigger