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12:02 AM
@YvetteColomb hey, can you please check who serially upvoted me on SO? If they have same IP as one of my own please contact me in private. Thanks
(before suspending me)
12:44 AM
@ShadowWizard Serial upvoting is reversed, exactly the same as serial downvoting.
1:21 AM
@ShadowWizard that's some serious upvoting. Did you upset anyone?
and yes I'm aware it's upvoting.
2:00 AM
@YvetteColomb Yes he did, earlier one of his posts was vandalized with foul language, it came up in the queue and I scrubbed it out, then CM Catija made an edit - I presume that she nuked everything as I can not find it in MS and there's only a record of my edit but not what I edited at the link I provided.
2:23 AM
Now I'm curious to what it pointed at before
@Rob I wonder if its the bane of mods everywhere... the redaction tool
2:42 AM
@JourneymanGeek One sentence was changed to swearing and IIRC the user's name was anonymous. The edit and account were pointless, or for a single purpose, and so flush ....
@Rob ah
we had a few of those happen on SU as well
If they do it right there's nothing worth keeping to cross-reference for later, keeping it only takes up space.
full control on own domain...
@ShadowWizard You can't spoof an IP address in that way.
Not unless you run a proxy on your router for them to use.
3:29 AM
when did we got moderators for MSE?
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Not planning to. I've some health problems. So can't work that much
(also wtf that question got upvoted in the first 3 minutes)
4:29 AM
@OptimusPrime Hi
not long ;p
Q: Please Join Us in Welcoming Our New Meta Stack Exchange Moderators!

Tim PostWe're really excited to announce the appointment of three new community moderators to Meta Stack Exchange! I know this might come as a really big surprise to some, and I can't wait to talk about it, but let's not delay the introductions any more. Please welcome ChrisF, Tinkeringbell and Journeyma...

Just over a month
(man, feels longer)
They say the first month is the hardest.
oh, kinda
But during the second month they say the second month is the hardest.
And so on.
Ah, that old recce motto
"The only easy day was yesterday" ;)
So basically you're supposed to always be thinking that it will get easier, but it never will actually get easier.
4:33 AM
I've been a mod on SU a few years ;p
there's a few workflow and non technical things that need work on a new site though
especially with, well, the high profile, and politics
that's the same though ;)
You keep your head down, do your best, and.... you'll never win over everyone ;)
4:56 AM
Dear Stack Exchange, Please don't tell me that I haven't voted on questions in a while when I've voted on questions twice in the past 35 minutes.
@JourneymanGeek Congrats
finally moderators tab on mse started showing something
(actually sounds like a bug)
I don't think it's a bug. I think it's just checking my ratio of votes on answers to votes on questions and seeing that I have many more votes on answers. But if so, it should be up front about that. Instead of saying "You haven't voted on questions in a while" it could say "You have voted for many more answers than questions", or something similar.
Maybe that's still a bug? Or a Feature Request to change the wording.
IDK. I need to vote more and no one nags me ;p
This is not the first time I've gotten into a fight with a voting message:
Q: The "don't forget to vote" message should not be telling me to upvote answers if I found the question useful

AlexSo there is this message that I saw for the first time today that says: Welcome back! If you found this question useful, don't forget to vote both the question and the answers up. Here is a screenshot: This message asks me to upvote the question and the answers if the question is usefu...

5:12 AM
6:01 AM
@Alex You haven't voted on questions in a while!
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Define "a while".
of bacteria
Well, one badge I don't think I'll ever get is Electorate.
Elect to rate?
Vote more!
Besides, there's a reason that I vote for answers much more than for questions.
6:19 AM
Not about Stack Exchange Network software How to Integrating Wyam Into An ASP.NET MVC Site?‭ - Umar Asif‭ 2018-12-27 06:18:00Z
6:47 AM
@OptimusPrime Oh :( Hope it's nothing too serious
7:00 AM
@Makoto exactly what a monster would say. Sarcasm aside, that's what's REALLY starting to rub me off with this whole welcoming shtick. New users are allowed to throw all kinds of tantrum, insult everyone along their way, be mean, disrespectful, and not care about this site or what made it a success over the years. But if they are a new user, they are absolved of most of this, simply because they are new users. Isn't that being MORE than welcoming? — Patrice Nov 26 at 19:58
"Everyone on SO iz hating nazi and I can be disrespectful because I have a new contributor shield"
On another note, there's a warm and fuzzy feeling to good meta posts from new users thanks to the wizard
No not you @Sha
That sounds annoying.
But yeah I've noticed that too.
It's made me less welcoming because I tend to discriminate against "new users".
Well... I think the message got lost
I'd rather be able to judge someone based only on the quality of their post and not have something shouting at me "hey guise I'm new! be gentle!"
@forest well the guidence differs
with a new user you want to teach
with an experienced user, they should know better
so you can apply polite percussive cranial maintainance.
I don't think there should be any extra lenience for new users.
I mean yeah it's totally fine to be polite, go for it.
7:10 AM
Well, I've had...
But when you have to actively defend (often willful) ignorance?
damn, almost a decade here?
and I've basically walked into a new site, asked a question, metaphorically faceplanted, and folks basically helped out.
(Skeptics is hard)
@forest you don't. You vote to close. You politely let a user know what's wrong
if he has an attitude problem, you flag.
Unfortunately, the "new contributor" notice is likely to also cause some drive-by downvotes. I'm guilty of that as well.
@JourneymanGeek Well it's not always a problem with a negative attitude.
once again though, that's clearly a lost message
Sometimes people just don't understand the rules and refuse to understand.
Or maybe they're just dense. I don't know.
7:11 AM
Abusive content about SO/SE on profile is accepted ?
@Shree Depends on what it is.
If it's against another user, no way.
@Forest I read your message four different ways and two I agreed with and two I didn't o.o
@Shree Skimmed it, seems immature but not against the rules.
It's basically saying "this community is a bunch of assholes!"
It's not really being abusive to anyone in particular.
Leave it be
7:13 AM
humm ok thanks.
Fun read though, thanks
Yeah it is amusing at least.
I keep plowing through meta.SO's worst but there are no good new rants :(
Have anyone received the MSE newsletter on this Tuesday?

[Meta Stack Exchange newsletter is not delivered on December 25](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/321028)
Who does that? I already have 53 subscriptions to unsubscribe from
Hot question of the week: Compiling C# loop in Java
7:20 AM
Huh, that user has 8k rep.
How did he get that much and stay so bitter?
Quick question: Does SE use that meta tag to disable sending referers?
@forest Huh, I had some respect when he said "I bountied off 10k" but he probably doesn't know anyone can check out offered bounties
In other words, can I safely click a spam link out of curiosity without risking them knowing I'm coming from SE (and thus spamming the site even harder)?
Classic case of "I can be a 5-yo because it's the internet"
Meh, moving on
@forest Erm, I think so. You should confirm in Charcoal HQ
I mean I could probably check with inspect element...
I think I'll do that instead.
Well, Glorbot is basically WolframAlpha
7:25 AM
> Host: www.ietf.org
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0
Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate, br
Upgrade-Insecure-Requests: 1
Connection: keep-alive
You can assume that if what he's saying is wrong, it'd become right by the time you click on the link
Looks like it doesn't send referer.
@forest I'm sure some people can easily do that.
@ShadowWizard Spoof an IP or run a proxy on your own router?
After all, IP address is something sent by the browser to the server and if you control the browser, you can spoof it.
7:27 AM
@ShadowWizard For UDP, not for TCP.
TCP does not work without using your actual address.
@forest so if you write your own browser, you can't tell it what IP to send to the server?
Thing is, if you try to spoof an IP (send a different source IP), then you're only sending a SYN packet. The server will reply with SYN+ACK to the source IP, which would be your router (not the spoofer), and your router will reply with an RST (saying "wtf I never sent out a SYN"), and the server would close the connection.
hmm... oh well. Still, I have a feeling hackers can successfully fake their IP.
So you could in theory send a packet with a spoofed IP, but you could never open a connection with it because of how TCP works.
Sure they can fake it, by using a proxy server.
But that doesn't let them choose any address. It just routes their traffic through a proxy so the destination site sees the IP of the proxy server instead.
I mean fake it to appear they're someone else.
7:31 AM
Yeah they can't do that for TCP.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ :(
OK I re-read that guy's profile:
> I was tempted to use whole MFer insult except that I realized that these people probably do have sex with their mothers who feed them and change their diapers and don't consider that a bad thing.
pffft ahahahaha
Damn he's pissed!
> Oh wait, we're working with programmers, i.e., retards -- the type of people who will replace a light switch with UI that requires going into a control panel to dig into light settings to search through a database to find the light of interest and then do an SQL query to turn the light off...
I totally understand that from a new user who doesn't know any rules.
But someone with 8k?
someone forgot to update their profile after 5 years...
@Rob both rejected edits can be seen in the timeline. You didn't have to edit anything, when suggested edit is not approved, the post doesn't change. (Your edit is empty)
Smokey doesn't catch suggested edits (yet?) so there's nothing indeed in Meta Smoke.
7:43 AM
@ShadowWizard specific people is hard
you can hide your IP in a few ways
but it either needs the other side to be inept (and let them own a system in your network) "charitable" and allow you to, or well, have them as a customer
@JourneymanGeek Shadow was asking about spoofing it as a specific IP.
Which works fine with UDP, but HTTP uses TCP, not UDP.
can't really do that in the way you're thinking
Good, so I'm "safe". :)
(The one I probably pissed off most likely has my IP address.)
Nice and simple TCP state diagram! :P
@ShadowWizard It's trivial to get someone's IP here, just embed an image.
@ShadowWizard I've probably pissed off a lot of people
7:46 AM
If I ran Wikipedia, I'd have all your IPs now.
@forest yeah, probably...
7:57 AM
I'm alive ...
shakes ... wait ...
@forest and log.
though an IP address on its own is not much use
its potentially changable
It's useful for scaring someone by telling them roughly where they live.
8:01 AM
Since most people think knowing an IP makes it easy to hack you.
In an online multiplayer video game context, it's a lot worse though...
Since you can DoS someone and cause them to lag out of the game.
Doesn't mean I won't use Tor anyway though. lol
Well it's closed anyway, so if it is a spam seed, it won't be very useful.
@rene totally spam seed
1 hour later…
9:13 AM
@ShadowWizard I know. That was a big limitation I had. The only way to open the link is using the "open in another tab" option.
I could try and see if I could work with the embedded youtube player
9:25 AM
^^ 0-0 4 smokey report , all tp but still up. Need some red flag.
got the security.se one
I love messing with those scammers.
I was messing with some bitcoin scammer a few days ago on their "live support" for like an hour, pretending to be an 80 year old dude who has no idea how tech works.
The ones like that sec.se scammer's "hacking services" are the best though.
I've been emailing a vampire spammer back and forth since... June or July.
Ahaha the "vampir" one? :D
*shrugs* Since I'm not sure what you're talking about, I'm guessing no ;)
9:29 AM
that... was an emoji fail
I tried contacting a scammer/spammer who claimed to be able to turn people into vampires for a nominal fee. They ignored me very shortly after I contacted them.
This one hasn't left off yet :P
9:31 AM
What are they trying to get from you?
missed the other
Well duh, but what are they selling?
Vampire potions? Turning people into vampires? Slaying vampires?
They want to initiate me into the vampire brotherhood
Yeah I think that was the same one I was talking with then.
9:32 AM
what's the email?
I forget. Something with "vampir" in it.
@Mithrandir I am told that might suck
I've been emailing "[email protected]"
I think that was it.
9:33 AM
I was trolling a passport spammer for a long time, but they gave up on me
almost as fun as tr00 w3r3s
I got one (kinda sorta) scammer to actually offer me real money with no strings attached. Made them think I was a desperate child who needed money.
i blame the ava
They legit told me they were scammers (after a while) but felt bad for me.
9:35 AM
heh! that's a good one
I'd like to see that transcript :P
Hopefully I still have it in trash....
I ended up trying to ask for more money than I should have.
And they got suspicious and stopped talking to me.
133 emails over 24 different email threads with this vampire.
I should probably find a new victim :P
The ones asking for kidneys are always fun.
As are the spell casters/witch doctors.
(The funny internet ones, not the actual murderous muti ones)
Why do people feel the need to do this. It's not even a clever troll.
(Unless you count it as ironic shitposting, which is slightly amusing)
10:38 AM
@Derpy maybe next year... ;)
Next year? I'm expecting another contest this year :P
Although... nope. That will most likely be next year too :P
I have devised the most splendid means of utilizing any clothing that you reluctantly receive during this holiday break. You might just be able to get swag that you actually *want* instead. Pro-tip: You're gonna want an account on http://meta.stackexchange.com.
11:03 AM
@Tinkeringbell Could be on the first day of the next year too... ;)
@PrincessLuna I said that too
11:32 AM
Is there a difference between a flag-ban and a flag-suspension? Would the latter be a mod only thing?
I'm asking because there is a weird tag on MSO.
I have never heard the latter term
@Mithrandir me too... but since people often confuse ban with suspension, makes sense they do it with flag ban too.
I asked a while back about whether there are manual flag bans by mods at all, the answer was no : meta.stackexchange.com/q/312238/336163
@RobertColumbia and that's annoying
@rene the tag should be renamed to , same as in MSE.
11:39 AM
@Tinkeringbell do they plan to do a "Secret Santa's junk-that-you-didn't-want giveaway" ring?
hmm.... should be burninated, replaced with a more specific tags.
@ShadowWizard yep, done
@ShadowWizard Change the Tag from "Ban" to "Secret":
@rene huh? How??
You retagged all 20+ questions?
@ShadowWizard see this and this
11:53 AM
@Rob actually it's Axe for me:
That cuts both ways ...
@rene What cuts? The broomstick?
It is the axe, now if someone has a question about "ban" in general, or they don't know which of the two are applicable, they won't have an umbrella tag.
9 messages moved to Chimney
@ShadowWizard there, confusion solved ..
That's how presents are delivered ... It's not Santa, it's Rene.
12:01 PM
BTW @rene if you didn't already, please link this on the new MSO request to ban ASP:
Q: Let's Ban the [ASP] Tag on StackOverflow!

John Saunders If the question is about ASP.NET, then it should say asp.net If the question is about Classic ASP, then it should say asp-classic I can think of no valid reason to tag a question with asp. Let's get rid of it entirely.

Don't think anything changed since then.
@Rob who is Rene?
I know only someone called "rene". ;)
Not about Stack Exchange Network software open-xchange ldap‭ - barbar‭ 2018-12-27 11:49:39Z
heh, OP is "System Administrato". coo
You are case sensitive. ;)
@Rob i Am!
@ShadowWizard migration is out of order, right? Due to the age of the post.
12:04 PM
@rene depends... CM can still migrate.
60 days, almost always.
Someone dares to ping one?
@Rob mod limit, but CM/dev got bigger diamond. ;)
@rene no, we only ping @Rene, your big bRother.
But there still needs to be a great reason.
Or I could flag so a mod gets scolded about bothering a CM about trivialities
12:05 PM
@Rob "retag request which is still relevant for SO"?
@rene mods can't migrate after 60 days, no?
@ShadowWizard correct but they can "escalate" to a CM
I love escalating
Especially the music
@ShadowWizard I flagged for a mod.
2011 sheesh
Back then I still had my caveman suit
Not about Stack Exchange Network software (needs 2 moar) /cc @sha @bart @glor open-xchange ldap‭ - barbar‭ 2018-12-27 11:49:39Z
12:21 PM
eww that look so... automated.
@rene kaboomed at 2018-12-27 12:51:59Z
heh you now add the pings to the script? Nice. lol
what took you so long?
@rene washed dishes
@ShadowWizard priorities ...
@Sha is always washing dishes only. I wonder when the house cleans itself
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Maybe he got Ms Wizard to clean his socks in exchange?
12:33 PM
@rene Being the efficient guy he is, he probably never wears socks.
@TylerH: Well, actually, my name is Tom... — Lightness Races in Orbit May 19 '14 at 15:32
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ if that is true then Ms Wizard got the better part of the deal ...
@rene she cleans all the clothes. :P
lucky you
@rene nah she still need to wash all the other clothes. :D
I have tried to find "Hide questions in your ignored tags" in preferences as described in FAQ. I wasn't able to find it - maybe I missed it, maybe FAQ is outdated.
It is still possible to change this setting on the main site - after you click on edit ignored tags. Here is a conversation we had in chat about this: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/9369/2018/12/27
Is it just me, or is this item really missing in the preferences?
12:45 PM
@Martin Dunno if something's changed in 6 months or so but it's a setting in your profile that asks whether to gray out or hide ignored tag questions
Shucks, it did change
Yep, can't see such an option either
me neither
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ yes it changed, cheese was moved.
@Martin ^
that ^^
It's no longer in profile edit page.
So perhaps the FAQ post about this - What do “watched tags” and “ignored tags” do? - should be updated? Perhaps with a link to: How do I hide posts matching my ignored tags? (And possibly the answers there should be updated, too...?)
The question "How do I hide posts matching my ignored tags?" seems to be used quite often as a duplicate target for similar questions: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/linked/23811
12:50 PM
@Martin yeah, it should be edited. Sonic was good with those things. glares at dog and parrot
Sorry, I'll have to go afk for a bit.
Hi everyone
I was wondering whether anybody else is at 35c3 in Leipzig.
I'm at 100 % capacity in Tabriz
1:06 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ meaning?
oh, 7°C.... brrrr
Meaning I'm not at 35c3 in Leipzig
> Tabriz is the sixth-most-populous Iranian city by population (1,558,693)
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 35th Chaos Communication Congress. You must be there! :D
> Tabriz is awesome. I wish I was born there. — Albert Einstein
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ fake news!
Alternative facts. Deal with it
1:12 PM
Give me your full address and I'll send you alternative gift. ;)
@rene failure... @JourneymanGeek did some odd things there, but it's not migrated.
Tabriz, home, couch
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ZIP code?
@ShadowWizard Eww
@ShadowWizard Our house doesn't have a zipper
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ no, not those things.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ pants zipper is good enough
You'd have thunk he'd have learned to do odd things in the toilet by now
1:15 PM
@ShadowWizard we're working on it behind the scenes ...
Bad doggy
my flag was helpful and that is what counts
@rene Freemasonry!
Back to the book
@rene just bark at some summon a CM and be done with it. ;)
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I did
1:36 PM
wtf what i am watching on youtube just now...
@ShadowWizard they're on holiday :/
I have edited the post about ignored tags at least to remove the information that it can be changed in preferences on profile page. Still, there is probably more there which is no longer true, For example: "In the tag’s tooltip, click on the star twice (or once, if you have favoured that tag)."
@andmyself this?
@JourneymanGeek even Cat?
@ShadowWizard she should be ;p
I am not intentionally pulling her in for work stuff
It can wait till next yearr ;)
@Martin yeah, it's a mess. Need someone with 1) enough knowledge, and 2) enough time.
@JourneymanGeek yarr!
actually.... turns out it's @rene! :D collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/yarr
> a wild white flower
1:52 PM
@andmyself I don't think it's possible for us to know without you telling us...
@Mithrandir think we better not know. ;)
Poor Dan.
Who is Dan?
Dan's the man
1:54 PM
The guy getting hit with the soccer ball.
@Mithrandir how do you know?
And it's likely fake! :D
@ShadowWizard :D
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