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@JourneymanGeek @Catija Related question: can moderators see what tags are on the "intrinsic" list for the site (i.e. if normal users vote to migrate a question that uses no existing tags on the destination site but uses a tag on said list, the migration won't be prevented)?

and myself

I feel I read a meta post recently about a redundant tag due to site's name change

Alex

No I checked Literature, Science Fiction & Fantasy, and Mi Yodeya.

Journeyman Geek

I'll need to dig

the mod dashboard is a bit of a UX nightmare (sorry!)

nothing obvious I can find for tag backlists

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

4:43 AM

I use [computers] as an example of an intrinsic tag on Super User...if it happens to not be on the list I'll have to change the example.

Right now I'm somewhere over Phoenix

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog there's nothing that tells me what tags are blacklisted

or I can't find it

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I was half-expecting that it's only viewable in the DB.

Journeyman Geek

anyway tag blacklists are supposed to be 1) done by a CM 2) an epic pain

so.. probably in the DB

(if there is a place I can find it, I will be very cross ;p)

and myself

very cross

wut. there's another meaning...

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:04 AM

@JourneymanGeek The circumstances in this question are no longer answered by the FAQ answer in the dupe target because the system has changed. Can you please reopen and re-close it as "off-topic, no longer reproducible"?

Journeyman Geek

eh. I'm not really a fan of doing that

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Would you decline a flag with that request?

Journeyman Geek

Probably!

essentially though, I don't really consider it a great use of time and effort.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

My plane is descending...once it crosses under 10,000 feet my connection will be cut and I won't have access until I reach the ground

Journeyman Geek

go look out the window or something

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:06 AM

@JourneymanGeek I'm on a plane...nothing much to do...

Journeyman Geek

In general!

Alex

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I had a flag requesting a different close reason accepted last week.

Journeyman Geek

@Alex I guess it depends on who handles it, but I consider reopening and closing a question for close reason accuracy a waste of time

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I had a flag requesting a dupe target change declined (before the ability to do so directly was implemented).

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/320399/…

Alex

I asked a Meta question about it once:

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Q: Voting to reopen in order to close for a different reason

Very related to this question, I think. If a question is closed for (what you consider to be) an incorrect reason but should anyway be closed for a different reason, should you vote to reopen and (once reopened) then vote to close for a different reason? Case in point: studying for conversion ...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:16 AM

@Alex @JourneymanGeek There is a valid reason for changing a close reason, though: if a closed question is bad, it will qualify for Roomba deletion, but questions closed as duplicates don't count.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog eh.

that seems a bit like gaming the rules just to have stuff being roombaed

A little mess is good

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek that's the intent of SOCVR though

Journeyman Geek

this isn't SO though

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Anyway, my connection is about to be cut off in a moment, so see you once I'm on the ground.

Alex

My personal opinion is that it's better to be precise... others disagree.

Journeyman Geek

5:19 AM

@Alex I primarily consider MSE to be the 'helpdesk' of SE

its kinda of in that strange place where we're dealing with humans, and humans by nature are squishy creatures

Alex

Very squishy.

Journeyman Geek

so sometimes letting go of the need for excessive neatness and precision is good.

Yes.

THEY ARE MADE OF MEAT

Alex

@JourneymanGeek I can't help it:

in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Oct 3 at 16:18, by Jenayah

Pedantic OCD trigger

Journeyman Geek

@Alex that makes meta hard.

tbh, I think the big key to being sucessful at meta is ~~to be shog~~ is getting how people tick

and OCD dosen't quite help there

Mithrandir

Being Shog works too

@Alex Personally, I prefer not being squished, but maybe that's just me

Journeyman Geek

5:23 AM

@Mithrandir only 9 one shog ;p

Alex

@Mithrandir Just you.

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir ;p

YOU ARE MADE OF MEAT!

(blue meat?)

Mithrandir

o_o

Alex

@Mithrandir I'll need to know what else comes along with that in order to decide if it's worth it.

Journeyman Geek

@Alex tomato growing apparently

Mithrandir

5:25 AM

@Alex You must have snark levels at an extreme high, a garden, and to be vaguely feared across the network

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir hm, two of three isn't bad.

Alex

@Mithrandir I don't think I qualify then.

Mithrandir

I'm snarky and I've sorta got a garden, but I don't think I'm feared across the network...

Alex

Eh, you're not that snarky.

Mithrandir

Everything's relative.

Alex

5:29 AM

Indeed.

Journeyman Geek

I used to be extremely snarky

Catija

Meta is fun.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija eh, it depends

took me years to get into it ._.

and I know a lot of folks don't wander off their own sites

Catija

Ooooh, you can see my first MSE question now.

HAHAHA

Alex

Of course it's fun. You get to point out problems for free.

Journeyman Geek

5:36 AM

hah

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Back on the ground...waiting for a gate.

Journeyman Geek

@Alex eh. Meta's a tough crowd

Catija

I think I've only ever had two negatively scoring questions... so I'm guessing that my experience ... isn't normal.

Alex

I guess I'm lucky then. All my questions have been pretty well-received.

Journeyman Geek

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Q: Have an option to watch a question without posting

I'd like to be able to keep track of a post that interests me, while not actually posting (since I have the same question, and nothing useful to actually add.) Since I can get email notification of my questions and answers, would it be possible to add a 'watch this topic' option somewhere?

feature-request status-completed

this is my first question

Alex

5:38 AM

(Though none of my requests have been implemented.)

Journeyman Geek

@Catija I had a recent one but at this point I don't think I'm in the rep game any more.

(no 100k swag ;p)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

IIRC I've only had one question closed as a duplicate and a couple closed as "no longer reproducible", and no other closed questions.

Journeyman Geek

hm, interesting

I've had a deleted question by one of the previous set of community mods, back when trilogy mods had old MSO mod powers

@Catija you have roughly twice the questions I do in... 1/3? 1/4? the account age ;p

Catija

:D I think I've asked more questions on MSE than I have on the rest of the network combined.

Journeyman Geek

;p

Catija

5:43 AM

Main sites, that is...

Journeyman Geek

I'm mostly here for answering ._.

Mithrandir

Asking questions is fun!

Catija

Well, a lot of my questions here are either FRs or Bugs... so ... not really questions, in that sense.

Journeyman Geek

'only' 127 questions on SU

3k answers there, but MSE probably has a better average reputation per post ;p

Alex

Meta is actually the only site where I have significantly more questions than answers.

Journeyman Geek

5:44 AM

NOT THAT ANYONE IS DOING STATISTICS ON THESE THINGS.

@Alex being a mod probably helps

Mithrandir

Counting Meta.SE, I've asked 390 questions on main sites.

Journeyman Geek

10+ k only (ironically) meta.stackexchange.com/questions/245822/… but I kind of was chasing 10k to see this post.

(I answered so I could see it before, when they adjusted things)

Catija

@Mithrandir Where do you get that?

Mithrandir

@Catija Doing some addition in my head scrolling through the accounts tab on my network profile.

Alex

I've posted over 700 answers this year.

Catija

5:50 AM

I've asked 90 questions on MSE and 42 on the rest of the network.

Mithrandir

o_o

Catija

But ELL wins the answers game. :D

Alex

And I've asked ~75 questions.

Journeyman Geek

I'd have expected more 0_0

my old second site was 10q and 122 answers (SF)

I really need to get off my ass and get 10k there ;p

EKons

who doesn't...

Mithrandir

5:59 AM

@JourneymanGeek I just need to finally beat my brother in network wide rep. This has been going on for four years, and I'm getting closer. Only another 2k left!

:P

Journeyman Geek

ahh sibling rivalry

but hey, you're a mod

Catija

Brother? Now I want to know who your brother is. :D

Journeyman Geek

that counts extra

Alex

@Mithrandir You actually have a brother here?

Mithrandir

@Alex I do

Journeyman Geek

6:00 AM

I was going to ask but ;p

Alex

Is it a secret?

Journeyman Geek

Unless their brother is a mod too

Mithrandir

Semi-secret. I'm not going to link his profile.

@JourneymanGeek Nope. He lost the election.

Came in second, though

Catija

Eh... well, now it's midnight and I was up until 2 the last two nights... should probably sleep.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Mithrandir

6:01 AM

Goodnight!

Journeyman Geek

@Catija good idea

Alex

Well unless your brother doesn't know he has a sibling here, I guess it's not one of us.

Mithrandir

That's probably a safe assumption to make.

Alex

I think you gave too many hints.

Mithrandir

Probably. Please don't link, though ;)

Alex

6:09 AM

I won't.

Mithrandir

There are a few folks on SE who know we're related. Most of them either on MY or Puzzling.

Journeyman Geek

"Puzzling" cause, yanno.. that's what they do ;p

Alex

I wouldn't have guessed it without you saying you had a brother, though.

Mithrandir

Yeah, we mostly steer clear of each other, because it gets awkward.

Journeyman Geek

lol

user310756

6:12 AM

What do you call Community User's dog?

user310756

1

Q: how to take care of community dog?

scenario I live in a college campus where stray animals are not hurt as compared to outside so even peacocks can be friendly. so there's no question of the dog biting me (I also pet only interested dogs.) also my hostel room is too small to keep the dog inside or in my sight. so I keep losing th...

dogs adoption strays

user310756

meta.stackexchange.com/users/-1/community

user310756

@Mithrandir I think I worked out who :)

Tinkeringbell

Good morning!

user310756

good afternoon

user310756

6:17 AM

I have to go lol

and myself

G'day

Mithrandir

@YvetteColomb being able to xref IPs certainly will help...

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir would be an abuse of modly powers tho

also not fun

Alex

I did it without cheating.

Journeyman Geek

yup

Alex

6:24 AM

(Assuming I'm correct, that is.)

user310756

6:34 AM

@Mithrandir that would be mod abuse 😱

user310756

@Alex what did you do ? 😜

Journeyman Geek

guessed

and myself

asked Google

user310756

asked bing

user310756

and myself

6:41 AM

... I can't almost distinguish @JourneymanGeek 's avatar and @YvetteColomb 's avatar now...

Journeyman Geek

o0

Mithrandir

Switch to mobile view... No hats...

Journeyman Geek

ah lol

yes

user310756

@andmyself we are animal lovers you see

and myself

blame the Winterbash hat to look like SE mod hat :p

Mithrandir

6:49 AM

Last year they actually did have the mod hat as a WB hat...

Alex

@YvetteColomb I guessed based on one of the hints.

user310756

@Alex which hint?

Alex

@YvetteColomb I’d rather not say, unless Mithrandir doesn’t mind.

user310756

@Alex is it in the transcript?

Mithrandir

I'm guessing the "second place" one

And then a quick check to see if the rep counts added up

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

6:56 AM

@Alex He never minds. Trust me

Ruin his hour! Extreme prejudice

Alex

@Mithrandir Yeah.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

And he's uncharacteristically quiet.

Alex

@YvetteColomb Yes.

user310756

@Mithrandir yes

user310756

@Mithrandir yes

and myself

7:09 AM

Well, I'm his brother.

user310756

@andmyself no you're not. I am

rene

delv-pls 20K python meta.stackexchange.com/q/320379/158100 /cc @Bart @ShadowWizard

Shadow Wizard

kling

(sound of del vote being cast)

rene

7:24 AM

We need a sound userscript

Poof

Paf

big poof

delv-pls 20K kubernetes meta.stackexchange.com/q/320410/158100 /cc @Bart @ShadowWizard

and myself

ding.wav

Journeyman Geek

7:35 AM

oh man

the lost ones are out in force.

KABOOM x3.

though one was actually scary...

(guy apparently had his microwave apart. And tried and failed to link a youtube video...)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek They spent their life understanding microwave ovens and didn't have time to understand YouTube links

John Dvorak

It's not about the size of your YouTube link. It's about how you use it.

and myself

7:51 AM

AFAIK, 97 occurrences, not weight...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

What?

No. 97 reason weight

Success/All ratio

Shadow Wizard

8:12 AM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ you know it's now recorded in metasmoke, right? ;)

Mithrandir

8:49 AM

@andmyself TIL.

@andmyself Yeah, that's weight.

I still think that it shouldn't be there, but... whatever.

and myself

Customization per ~~site~~ chat room is hard to maintain? Where have I heard before...

and myself

9:13 AM

Errh... what happened to a user who asked a question 7 hours ago, then got network-suspended for 1 year...

Mithrandir

Prooobably not something you want to stick your head into.

Shadow Wizard

@andmyself sock of someone who is already suspended?

Though I'd expect a sock to just be nuked, so... weird.

@Mithrandir or just nose. It's too smelly. ;)

Magisch

→ 6 messages moved to Chimney

Journeyman Geek

@andmyself he chose... poorly...

Shadow Wizard

Chose what? #nowConfused

and myself

9:23 AM

To hat, or not to hat? That's the question...

Indiana Jones reference.

Shadow Wizard

taking the blue pill

Derpy

and the waffle was conquered.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard practically a network suspension means, well, a CM was involved ;p

Shadow Wizard

9:31 AM

Of course, question is why. And as always the answer is "we can't and shouldn't know", but we still ask and wonder. lol

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard you stop wondering when you can hand them out yourself ;p

Shadow Wizard

heh and then it just becomes boring. :D

(hey, get out of my mind, bots! ;))

Which reminds me of actual bot being network wide suspended too for 10 years.

(shared that "story" many times already)

It was like 2 years ago, still no clue what happened there.

Poor bot was active in Den for a while.

(otherwise I'd never have noticed of course.)

whoa... exactly 2 years ago! feeling sharp

in Shadow's Den, Dec 18 '16 at 14:32, by Universal Electricity

What happened to NBOT

Wait... that's when the bot was suspended "only" for 7 days, and only on SO.

The big hammer arrived 9 days after that.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard thing is everyone wants gossip ;p

Shadow Wizard

True!

Journeyman Geek

also since bots are condoned, there's usually a story behind it - you might want to ask whoever owns it

Shadow Wizard

9:41 AM

@JourneymanGeek oh I would, but the two who created it are both long gone. Gone with the bot, though not suspended.

Journeyman Geek

ah

:/

Shadow Wizard

Which makes it even more weird, as if they were part of some voting ring, I'm sure their accounts would also take a big hit.

They just.... vanished.

Derpy

9:53 AM

... done. 20 retagging edits on SharePoint. I don't really trust this is the actual trigger for the clean up hat, but we will see.

@ShadowWizard does today calendar joke bring back any memory?

Shadow Wizard

10:09 AM

> Sorry, I don't know how to 'pee'. But it doesn't matter now. A grue came and ate you. GAME OVER.

@Derpy ^

;)

Derpy

.........

Shadow Wizard

But yeah... isn't it from Undertale?

@Derpy what? When really scared it's common to do such an action.

Derpy

Zork. Grue are from Zork.

Shadow Wizard

innocent face

Journeyman Geek

It is dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

and myself

10:11 AM

What you say!

Derpy

@andmyself they are taking the hats to Isengard!

Journeyman Geek

TO ISENGARD TO ISENGARD! THEY'RE TAKING THE HATS TO ISENGARD!

Shadow Wizard

Well trying to be more brave failed too, @Derpy

> Sorry, I don't know how to 'light lantern'. But it doesn't matter now. A grue came and ate you. GAME OVER.

Also.. no way to retry, need to reload whole page and run script again. :(

@Derpy oh, so no memory for me, never played it.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard kinda done that on purpose, but I think you could just rerun the script without reloading the page.

as for why it was done that way, it is meant to be annoying.

Shadow Wizard

:angry-face:

Derpy

10:20 AM

@ShadowWizard tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouCantGetYeFlask

Shadow Wizard

11:04 AM

Dang, reached this somehow and tempted to start playing. :/

forest

Is it normal for me to get an email from SE telling me that a site is in beta when it really isn't, linking me to a broken leaderboard, and telling me to go to the meta of meta?

Mithrandir

No; it's a Winter-Bash-induced bug

forest

Ah...

So there are these things called unit tests that software devs can do...

Is that email being sent to everyone?

Bart

Hahahahahahahaahahahahaha inhale hahahahahahahahahaa ... unit tests ...

Haven't received an email yet, no

Derpy

@ShadowWizard ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Don't!

that game was made by some ancient evil deity of pain and tears.

can be rendered unwinable by design in the first few minutes and you are able to play it to almost the end without knowing.

forest

11:21 AM

@Bart It's something the devs of a large site should know about. :P

To avoid stupid bugs like these.

rene

large site being the key here ...

JNat

11:37 AM

@ShadowWizard gone

Derpy

any idea where this question could be asked at?

-4

Q: SICP. Lisp vs Javascript

I've been studying SICP. I've heard a lot of LISP that it is a great language to learn programming cause it's gonna "blow your mind and you become a better programmer." But I still confused what are the key advantages of LISP. I could do the same "magic" with plain Javascript (except macro). It h...

discussion

I mean - if the user makes some effort to rewrite it a little, it could be salvageable...

something like "conceptual differences between Javascript and Lisp"

deletion spree on meta. Second time.

Fine, I guess I have better thing to do than trying to give advice to users on where to ask an off-topic question at only to have the question delete while I write my comment.

and myself

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Q: Why did I get an email thanking me for participating in an ongoing beta on Arqade Meta?

I got an email today thanking me for participating in the ongoing beta for Arqade Meta, and congratulating me for making the leaderboard which is a nonexistant page. Does this have something to do with the responsive design updates, or was it just a bug that the email was sent? As far as I know, ...

bug status-completed email

rene

@Derpy doesn't look like it would have been a good fit anywhere.

Shadow Wizard

11:55 AM

@JNat thanks!

forest

9

A: Why did I get an email thanking me for participating in an ongoing beta on Arqade Meta?

Thanks for reporting this! We had a hiccup where the chunk of code that excludes meta sites from these emails got removed accidentally - oops! A few different sites had these emails go out, including Arqade, Information Security, and Software Engineering. That's been fixed now, so it shouldn't b...

heh

That's why you always test before pushing a change to prod. :P

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy cruel but expected from such a game to be honest. :)

and myself

@ShadowWizard I read the URL. I hate you :(

Magisch

@forest But dev on prod is much more fun

laughs in doing DELETE queries on prod without wrapping in a transaction

forest

I have to agree. I was very tired once and working on prod and...

iptables -F

"Oh shit oh shit I meant to do -S!"

Had to get our host to actually walk to the server and reboot it.

Magisch

12:03 PM

once did that with part of a script that recursively cleans up empty folders

well the empty condition didn't quite work right

ArtOfCode

@JourneymanGeek look for "blacklisted user input"

Derpy

@rene second one was a guy asking a question that could have been a fit for SciFi. Deleted in 10 seconds flat.

rene

ah

Derpy

something about Doctor Strange and explanation of some plot elementsin a story. Mind you, it wasn't very high quality, but maybe with a little guidance...

gone instead.

ArtOfCode

/admin/blacklist

Journeyman Geek

12:14 PM

@ArtOfCode that dosen't look like just tags tho

ArtOfCode

No, but the ones that have type=Tag are

Or type=Intrinsic

One of em is the URL shortener blocker

and myself

So, the answer is: mods can see, but plebs can't? :(