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12:46 PM

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You summoned it

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ if we do things right, you miss all the drama

12:54 PM

@Tinkeringbell dark @rene?!

@ShadowWizard rene has a bright version?

🌼

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ blurry

I see a little box with 01F33C

No clue what unicode symbol that is.

@forest Blossom

12:56 PM

ah

@JourneymanGeek That's not the rene I know

@forest emoji are clealy too newfangled for you

I don't even get them. I mean I get smiley faces, but all the variety now?

Apparently someone even made a movie based on emoji.

Hey that blossom works for my Windows 7 computer which usually showing blank squares too.... ;)

@forest of course, it was totally expected

12:59 PM

Weird af

I heard its.... 💩

🎄🌳🌲🌳🌴🌴🌲🎄🎄🎄🌲🌲🌳🎄🌳🌲🌴🌴

The younger you are, the more emoji you're using ;)

That's a lot of boxes.

It's a forest.

12:59 PM

@Catija I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE...

@forest might not be seeing the forest for the trees.

literally

lol

@forest what about this one? 🔥

You see it properly?

A box with hex 01f525

...

lol

@forest you do realise people are just going to be hurling emoji at you now

Maybe I need to memorize the unicode mapping.

1:01 PM

That's one way to deal with that

@JourneymanGeek ☀️

Oh that one I see! A little black circle with spines. A sun or spikeball something.

That's vaguely an improvement?

@forest Sea mine

oh

1:03 PM

@forest yes!! Sun.

ok lol

I wonder if the Tavern chicken is visible.

@forest so you see all emoji in this tweet?

Happy Tangled Tuesday 💜☀️! Wishing everyone a magical day ✨💫✨!

Tweeted by EDisneyMagic on December 11, 2018 at 11:54 AM

@Catija No Fowl

Do please note, however, that I am the youngest here and I haven't used a single emoji.

1:05 PM

🐔

I see hex 01f49c, then a sun, and then 2728, 01f4ab, and 2728.

Wrong!

:P

lol

@Catija I'm currently using a tool that inverts colours so...

that's a black chicken

@Mithrandir Well you used an emoticon after blowing your stalker cover, so

1:05 PM

That's purely standard text, though, so it doesn't count.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ you're special. You're also the only one around with three kidneys. ;)

🦄

My Chrome Win 10 loves making everything yellow

What kind of chicken is golden?

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ chocobo, duh.

Mac Donald's nuggets?

1:06 PM

I don't think that's a chicken.

@Catija 🎠

@Catija it's golden ;)

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oh wait... @Mithrandir meant you're wrong by "youngest here". He's younger than you. ;)

Who is the youngest here?

1:09 PM

Pretty sure it's @Mithrandir

Wait a minute...

;)

I know at least one 11 year old uses this site. Not in this chat though.

I have a feeling they're the youngest.

@forest careful not to expose them, as the account will be insta nuked.

Well, my character's a year younger than Mith...do I count?

1:10 PM

Law is a law. :/

(I'm not in the EU by the way)

@ShadowWizard Yeah of course I won't. I'm not that much of a dick. :P

^^^This is why I only revealed my age on SE after I turned 13 :P

@Mithrandir lol same with @ProgramFOX, I think

And now I'm 16. How time flies...

1:12 PM

@Mithrandir sweet 16?

@Mithrandir OK, but you owe some having-been-nuked time to SE.

@Catija Speaking of which, is there a plan for updating the relevant FAQ with the actual text? Right now, it just says "employees, please add text here" to the heading asking why users in the EU specifically have to be at least 16.

Let's do it now

I nuke spammers, does that count...?

:D

1:12 PM

Spammers aren't underage

They can be

Oh sure they are.

Please don't tell me child labor is used for spam.

One of the best SEO guys I knew was like 12.

What's stopping even a 6 y/o kid from spamming?

1:13 PM

1-day old scripts are immune to EU or SOAP or whatever

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@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog It is sometimes but not often.

^^This is a spammer...

@Catija not a spammer example, I hope?? ;)

Children are never "spammers" though, only captcha solvers. They solve the images which AI is unable to solve for captcha solving services.

1:13 PM

Nice, anyway. @Catija :)

@ShadowWizard yellow chick.

Is that an image of Bennett?

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ No, of Gus

Since I can't see it

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ @forest can't see emoji, you can't see images... what a mess. lol

1:15 PM

Hey I see more unicode than I usually do!

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Imgur blocked?

Normally I'm on IRC in a Linux terminal. 7-bit ASCII ftw!

heh

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Aye

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog ? Where?

1:16 PM

@ShadowWizard And you can't see your ears without a real-life vision proxy

A: How do I use Stack Exchange if I'm under 13 years old (16 in the European Union)?

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How do I use Stack Exchange if I'm under 13 (16 in the EU)? Unfortunately, children under 13 (under 16 in the European Union) are not allowed to sign up for Stack Exchange accounts. If you are underage, and are trying to participate, first off, we're sorry. It's awesome that you're already tryin...

Or a mirror.

Age restrictions are so stupid.

Still a vision proxy

^^seconded...

1:17 PM

Every kid learns to ignore them after every porn site until forever used them.

@Mithrandir Nice try, let's discuss the terms of your nuking

Ooh, look, a distraction!

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog is it actually necessary for an employee to explain that? Not saying we won't but it's just generally because of gdpr, no?

OK, bzzz, my time is up. \o

1:20 PM

@Catija An employee wrote the existing rather elaborate text for the COPPA 13+ restriction, so a similar elaborate description should be written for the EU 16+ one.

I don't fully understand the GDPR and don't know why exactly that clause showed up in the ToS, so it's best if an employee clarifies it.

Or... anyone else who has a good understanding of GDPR?

Not everything has to be done by an employee.

I'm sure @Magisch for instance could write a good summary.

I suspect GDPR is like BitCoin in the sense nobody really know what it is and how it works, not even the one who invented it. ;)

@forest they are but.... politics

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog though unless you're a <15 year old in europe, it probably dosen't affect you

Politics.

and if well, things happened, chances are they'd probably need to get someone EU based to iron things out, presumably through the german office

1:24 PM

@Mithrandir eh, about what?

and I suspect with things like this, companies just err on the side of caution

@Magisch GDPR

from what I understand about COPPA, it dosen't actually ban you from letting under 16s on the site

The 16 years of age thing is because for people < 16 special protections and extra duties of due dilligence as well as sometimes requiring parental consent applies

just that the moment anyone advertises to them.... or you have any PII...

1:26 PM

iirc

@JourneymanGeek It bans collecting personal info. I know.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog you can use SE with near zero personal info

Is IP address considered personal info?

Yes and no.

@Magisch So? How does that explain why SE decided to stick a new clause in their terms of service stating that users must be 16 or older in the EU?

1:27 PM

IP falls under GDPR, as far as I know, but legally doesn't count as PII. IIRC.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog it was the safest/simplest option to handle the GDPR there

@JourneymanGeek Did an employee tell you that?

or specifically "We don't need to worry if a user is over 16 in the EU"

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I don't have any secret inside knowledge

I just have a degree that involves a little law, and made use of ~~thinking like a lazy person~~ common sense.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog (IANAL - not legal advice) Article 8 of the GDPR defines anyone under 16 (individual countries can lower that down to 13) as having special protections, namely that consent to data processing given by such minors is subject to a harsher standard of understandability and needs to happen at least with the informed consent if not entirely by the parents or legal guardians

It's best if someone with the inside knowledge edits it. Someone who knows why exactly SE decided to add that clause to the ToS. In the same manner that another employee who clearly knew why exactly SE added the 13+ global restriction elaborated it.

1:29 PM

My guess is SE doesn't want into the can of worms that is verifying parental consent (That is a pure guess btw. I have no idea of their actual motivations)

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog why?

Also, I'm not touching that with a 15 foot pole

not everything has to be spelled out in detail

now, the nice thing about owning a place is you can set rules

@JourneymanGeek For any other FAQ I'd go ahead and edit based on what I see. But this is the law. If one of us non-lawyers edits it in, there's a chance it may be incorrect.

Derpy

oh, wonderful. Seems someone saved the original Excape from XP game.

1:30 PM

So don't

my company did a similar thing. We no longer accept interns under 16

not everything needs to be spelled out explicitly in detail in the FAQ

until it is

but I can arbitrarily disallow people under 16 years, 1 month and 23 days, 2 hours 1 minute and 9 seconds....

@JourneymanGeek But FAQs shouldn't have an unsightly "employees, please add text here" notice either. (The problem can't be resolved by omitting that subheading entirely since it'd no longer answer the question which specifically asks about that.)

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog why would anyone add that?

@JourneymanGeek The question specifically asks about the 16+ EU restriction.

1:32 PM

that's to say, if it can't be fixed from what you know, just leave it

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog did it to start with?

so, now...

the smart way to deal with this would have been to ask a seperate question on the rules for EU

then fold it in

not edit it, then complain its missing things

so you basically edited, it, and are now worrying about an incomplete answer... after the edit, since the original answer never had that...

I'm seeing a certain... lack of planning here.

so the smart thing to do would be to roll back, ask a seperate question, and just get it closed as a dupe once answered (which is useful!) then roll it in

@Sonic it's fixed now.

See revisions and edit summary.

(before rolling back.)

@JourneymanGeek That's precisely why I made the decision at the time to not ask a separate question about it. It'd be closed as a dupe, and thus get downvoted.

"I'll get downvoted"

sigh

I'll tell you what

I'll ask

@ShadowWizard Still looks a bit weird to me now, with the references to being 16 in the EU but only american legislation. I think what Geek suggested, to just remove the entire '16 in the EU part' everywhere, ask about that and only then merge it in, sounds better to me?

@JourneymanGeek Well, I wonder where you got the implication of "I still stand by that decision"?

@Tinkeringbell I've edited it out of the question. It no longer asks about it.

1:42 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog no it won't be closed, and if it will, I'll reopen. Dunno about downvotes though.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog here's the thing. If you're constantly worrying about being downvoted, without considering what causes it...

there's no growth

@Tinkeringbell only empty/unconfirmed parts perhaps

@ShadowWizard @JourneymanGeek At the time, though, I thought that questions whose answers were later edited into the FAQ were eligible to be closed as dupes, but I later learned that they're not.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I was talking with Shadow about their edit to the answer part. Which needs an edit now too, as it's even stranger if the question doesn't mention the EU anymore.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog true.

1:43 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog even if they are, the original question has value

someone searching for age limits to do with GDPR might hit it

@Tinkeringbell that faq is weird as whole since most have the "sections" in the question itself.

and honestly, I think we're a little too quick to dupehammer but that's a hill to die on another day ;p

@JourneymanGeek I dupehammer less than before, to be honest.

which is good ;p

Its not something I'm really going to push hard but yanno

Q: Why do users in the European Union have to be at least 16 to participate in SE?

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I noticed this new paragraph in the Terms of Service: If you are located within the European Union, you must be at least 16 years old to access or use the Network or Services, including without limitation to complete a Stack Overflow Account Registration. By accessing or using the Services or...

support legal

1:51 PM

better

now... we wait

always the hard part ;p

Q: Why are there separate copies of the Terms of Service per site, if the link in each site just goes to Stack Overflow's version?

Discovered another flaw when writing that:

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I noticed that each site in the network has its own copy of the Terms of Service, e.g. https://stackoverflow.com/legal/terms-of-service, https://meta.stackexchange.com/legal/terms-of-service, https://travel.stackexchange.com/legal/terms-of-service, etc. But the link to the terms in the footer of...

support bug footer terms-of-service

that might just be to make the magic links easier ._.

not sure its a flaw, other than that its on SO's domain hides

Looks like as part of cleaning up se.com as preparation for... something?

i.e. making a big change in its very concept.

So if it used to host all the network wide resources, now they're hosted in stackoverflow.com domain instead.

@ShadowWizard That's not the point of the question.

There are per-site copies of the ToS, but the link in each site goes to SO's version and not the per-site version.

Why not just have one copy on SO?

The old terms had only one copy (which happened to be elsewhere, but nevertheless).

@ShadowWizard I think its just that everything got moved to SO with the rebranding

2:04 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog most likely technical: the code that update the actual files copy all files.

@ShadowWizard not heard anything about that, officially or unofficially

We'll see in... 6-8 years then. ;)

Out of curiosity, @JourneymanGeek why did you clear gnat's last bounty?

Because it was necessary

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog check his profile

2:07 PM

@ShadowWizard I intentionally left that question out.

Wait, there's still a bounty here, thought that's the one you meant.

So... dunno. but meh, not really that important.

Well...7-day suspension, then 1 year of not being able to run for a moderator election...how bad can it be?

Derpy

Pretty sure that I will get mad in about 5 hours when I realize that if the votes on the Frodo answer came just a little later, I probably would have already got 2-3 hats just from that.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog don't think he ever planned to be a mod, so only the first part applies.

Since he's not 100% active in MSE, it's also not that bad for him.

@Derpy next time don't answer what might turn into HNQ.... ;)

Can I borrow someone that uses apple stuff? Specifically their e-mail application?

Bart

2:26 PM

^ social engineering detected.

^ glasses detected.

cv-pls duplicate: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319806/… (@Shadow)

Squish

@Bart Heh. Mom needs to send a email on her work iPad (outgoing) and is getting 'mailbox is full' errors. Even after cleaning stuff up.

Caching?

Google?

:)

Bart

2:33 PM

@Tinkeringbell actually cleaned up, or still stuck in some bin folder on the mail server?

Not an Apple user myself, so can't help you there I'm afraid.

@Bart Actually cleaned up, afaik. Still strange she can't send an outgoing email for that though?

oh wait.... most mail clients won't actually delete messages when you delete them, but rather send them to "Trash" folder. Empty that one and try again.

aka what @Bart said, lol

@ShadowWizard That's what I told her to do ;)

Bart

Or she could download some memory ...

#beinghelpful

@Tinkeringbell and you checked she did? :)

2:36 PM

@ShadowWizard Yeah :P

Also.... it might be full due to sent items, not received, so she should clean that folder too.

Pfft.

Agree ^

Mom says that one is empty too. Still that error :/

Maybe.. work email you say? So.. maybe the company shared account is full/blocked/exceeded some other limit.

(i.e. misleading error message.)

Too bad he's not talking much. ^

@Tink anyway if it's related to her work, she really better contact the company tech support. :)

2:47 PM

@ShadowWizard Meh. Apparently it's easier to first let me mess things up.

It's that kind of tech support :P

lol

canon

@ShadowWizard shift+delete imo

Anne Daunted

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog While I can't provide an official answer (and didn't try to), I hope you don't mind me having added an answer with the respective GDPR articles.

@canon How do you do a shift delete on a tablet? ;)