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12:14 AM

My notifications blew up overnight

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Somewhat

2:09 AM

okay... GOOD... MORNING...!

somehow fell asleep for 1 hour after saying that

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4:50 AM

@SomethingBadHappened What's that about?

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5:11 AM

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Journeyman Geek

5:23 AM

You will be surprised!

user194636

in fact you won't believe what happens next!

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Shadow Wizard

6:47 AM

@Somewhat why?

Somewhat

@ShadowWizard dunno... after eating KFC, it's just my body felt really fresh and awake until 6am

Journeyman Geek

It's the hormones

Somewhat

O_O

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat whoa... 1) Why did you eat KFC at midnight?! 2) What do they put in there?! :P

KFC failed in Israel for some reason...

Somewhat

I ate it at 8pm though...

come to think of it, it's weird that I didn't get sleepy due to sugar rush 🤔

Shadow Wizard

7:00 AM

You mean meat rush... I do get sleepy after eating lots of meat/chicken.

Journeyman Geek

7:13 AM

There's some amino acid in poultry that makes you sleepy by right

Typophan

Shadow Wizard

I think it's the digestive process that cause sleepiness. No?

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Derpy

8:01 AM

> Monday morning
Reading old messages
The sadness of being right.

Tinkeringbell

8:27 AM

Hey, cheer up. You're one day closer to your next weekend :D

(Or, if you want to be depressed: One day closer to your next weekend being over :P)

Journeyman Geek

lol

i have wednesday to friday off

Derpy

oh, you should know me by now. I can be sad because SE has once again confirmed my "pessimistic belief", but that won't really ruin my day.

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy pets

I think a lot of us are having that day

Derpy

I said it once and I will say it again, I have done my share of community management on UO and I have since stopped fighting windmills (even when those windmills are actual giants going rampaging while fire-ignoring dogs keep repeating "it is fine").

The shield is rusty, the lance is dull. Quixote days are a thing of past

@JourneymanGeek a free muffin would have been better, but.. thanks, I suppose?

Just don't try to give me a bag of Scooby Snacks. If you dogs like that thing... we pony don't

Journeyman Geek

8:54 AM

@Derpy I don't think anyone said it was fine.

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek Think you replied to the wrong message. I assume you meant to reply to the "it is fine" thing right? Sorry, that was poorly explained. It is not a direct reference to the last episode of the recent chain of events. Just a comment on my personal experience at sticking my nose into community management in the past

"who are you to come in this argument? who knows you? Paladins should be able to use poisoned weapons like every other class. There is no problem here"

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy eh. Someone accused us mods of just that on meta

Yes I guess it was

Shadow Wizard

wondering where @Derpy poked their nose this time

Derpy

@ShadowWizard ... for a wizzard, your memory isn't that great, Shadow :P

in Shadow's Den, Aug 25 '14 at 7:49, by SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard (I was a seer on a private uo server.....)

Shadow Wizard

9:11 AM

What is "uo"?

Derpy

Ultima Online

Shadow Wizard

And yeah, 4+ years is reasonable for memory to expire... :D

@Derpy umm... and... how is it related to Stack Exchange?

Thought you meant something with SE... :/

So you tried once again to manage something there and got things messed up? @Derpy

I was never part of a MMORPG community/forum - I did play bunch and posted few messages, but never took a really active part so really no idea how those forums/communities are going.

I guess it's not that nice and welcoming, and with like 99.999% teenager boys who make fun on the rest 0.001% who either don't say they are males are directly say they are females. In such case, I really don't understand why you tried to get your head into it in the first place, @Derpy.

But... maybe I'm wrong? Dunno.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard Long ago, in a far far away land, there was a private UO shard. It was a small server, with little resources, but the people that created it were friends. And so that little server grew and prosper for a while, slowly getting bigger and famous as more and more people started to play there.

Shadow Wizard

And then things fell apart when not-so-nice teenager kids arrived. Right?

When you open a small community to the outside, that's a risk you must take. :(

Derpy

Then, a dark day, a friendship problem arose, and broke the harmony that where there. Two member of the staff fought, and one of them, a developer on the server, had the brilliant idea to take revenge on the other. So, he accused him to cheat, and went as far as to rig the server script to his disadvantage. He would take double damage, do less damage to other and a whole bunch of other random effects

The server was hosted by a gaming network that lent the required hardware in exchange of a little ads space on the server site. They stepped in in the dispute.

Before long, an even bigger mess was rampaging around. The network trusted the developer that rigged the game, and the other staff member replied with a nice "say what? I'm out of here" and went away.... taking half of the community with him.

So now the server was there, broken and ruined.

Shadow Wizard

9:31 AM

Sad story! But it was 4+ years ago, no? So what has changed now that you got hurt again?

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Derpy

The few left tried to rebuild the community. Some tried to trust that staff developer, some lingered there only because they didn't want to restart a new character from scratch somewhere else. And a few didn't even notice the change.

Magisch

I had a less interesting instance of something like this

Derpy

Many changes to the gameplay where done, much trash was thrown on the old staff work now that they weren't around anymore. Much work was done to undo their work. The stories they had created. The places they had dreamed

Magisch

was dev on a wow private server, had a disagreement with the owner, left, server shut down

Derpy

9:44 AM

And then, in a last act of despise... Lord British was killed, taking the essence of Britannia with him. New gods were created, new factions named, character backgrounds falling in oblivion as the tapestry of the past was written out of existence.

and yet we stand there, still lingering in our smaller groups, pretending all was fine while we tried to dream a dream of normality.

But fate is a trollish beast, and history repeats.

The second staff fell of the graces of the network owners gods, and followed the destiny the first one has walked before them.

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch hehe, yep that's a super TL;DR compared to @Derpy story. What did you do next?

Magisch

@ShadowWizard go to another private server and started working there as a dev

the dispute was about refunding donation money

Shadow Wizard

huh

@Derpy why didn't you try to do as @Magisch and become a developer/staff yourself? Or can you maybe still do it and save what's remaining of the private server, if possible?

If you're known and trusted... well... why not?

Magisch

@ShadowWizard some kid got ahold of the parent's debit card and spent their rent and grocery money in the ingame shop

Shadow Wizard

Sounds like you're really into that server.

Derpy

9:51 AM

Blamed, accused, ostracized.... they too went away as a new staff took their place. And so a new time of changes swept the land. That time the world had to go.

Magisch

the server owner didn't want to refund and wanted to in fact sue them in small claims court for the full amount back when they did a chargeback

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch whoa... sounds like something the police or at least child care service should handle, not the server developers.

You can't be expected to handle such things, IMO

Magisch

It was free for us to refund

Shadow Wizard

It's plain stealing, though by minor, same as stealing the car, or selling the TV of the house.

Magisch

the shop items had no real life value

Derpy

9:53 AM

So strong was the hate, so strong was the despise, that the world was made anew. The pantheon crushed, the story resetted, as a world wide calamity crafted a story that would allow them to start from scratch.

Magisch

of course they should have a grip on their kid, but the fair thing would have been to refund and be done with it

2 devs and the lead gm quit over this. We both devs sent c&d notices to the owner so he couldn't continue using our work, then the server went under

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch of course not, no virtual shop items have, and yet people buy them for billions upon billions of dollars, all around the world. That's how game development companies survive.

If someone steal, it's not their role to stop them.

Derpy

And so it came, an invisible foe, and the few still here escaped to a different land. It was just identical to the old one, mind you. The staff didn't make any change at the map, that would have required actual work and effort.

But the name was changed, because they felt that the name carried the memories of the old builders.

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch that's the fair thing to do, sure... but server declaring "free refund of ingame shopping" won't survive long, money-wise, and that's just a cruel fact. Not fair, but business are never fair.

Magisch

@ShadowWizard the catch usually is that it comes with a permanent account ban

Tinkeringbell

9:59 AM

GUYS? GUYS? HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY! :D

Shadow Wizard

NO

I REFUSE

ALSO WHY ONLY GUYS?

LOOKING AROUND

Tinkeringbell

GUYS CAN BE USED IRRELEVANT OF GENDER ONLINE, SO I WAS TAUGHT.

Shadow Wizard

IT WAS LONG AGO THINGS CHANGED

Tinkeringbell

BUT OKAY... I CAN SHOUT HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY AT EVERYONE, PEOPLE, DOGS AND PONIES ALIKE ;)

Shadow Wizard

MORE LIKE IT!

@RENE WILL NOW BE OFFENDED

HE'S NONE OF THE ABOVE!

Tinkeringbell

10:03 AM

WE ALL KNOW HE'S SECRETLY A PEOPLE :p

Shadow Wizard

SMALL CASE P??

SAD

Nog Shine

@Tinkeringbell CAPS LOCK DAY?? WOW I DIDN'T KNOW ONE EXISTED!! THANKS AND WISH YOU THE SAME!

Tinkeringbell

OLD HABITS DIE HARD. I'M USED TO PRESSING SHIFT WHEN USING LETTERS TO REPRESENT EMOJI'S

Shadow Wizard

LOL

Tinkeringbell

@NogShine SOMETIMES THERE'S GOOD STUFF ON TWITTER :P

Derpy

10:05 AM

oh, well, the train derailed. I hope I wasn't too boring.

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy NO, NO, FEEL FREE TO CONTINUE. JUST PUT CAPS LOCK ON :) (SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE, IT WAS SILENT FOR A LITTLE WHILE ;) )

Derpy

oh, well, not much more to say.

But let me just add a little thing.

One of the original developer (or should I say music composers) of Ultima once wrote a song.

Shadow Wizard

STATUS-YOU-DID-NOT-WAIT-6-8-MINUTES

Derpy

it is somehow funny. The song was written long before Ultima Online was even developed, and certainly wasn't meant to be about a single, unofficial server.

yet, oddly, it fits that story pretty well.

> Long ago ran the sun on a folk who had a dream
And the heart and the will and the power:
They moved earth; they carved stone; moulded hill and channeled stream
That we might stand on the wide plains of Wiltshire.

> Now men asked who they were, how they built and wonder why
That they wrought standing stones of such size.
What was done 'neath our shade? What was pray'ed 'neath our skies
As we stood on the wyrd plains of Wiltshire.

> Oh what secrets we could tell if you'd listen and be still.
Rid the stink and the noise from our skirts.
But you haven't got the clue and perhaps you never will.
Mute we stand on the cold plains of Wiltshire.

> Still we loom in the mists as the ages roll away
And we say of our folk, "they are here!"
That they built us and they died and you'll not be knowing why
Save we stand on the bare plains of Wiltshire.

... in the end, one could say we wrote our story so that the song was about us.

> Try to not do the same, SE

Shadow Wizard

Gwenllian Gwalch'gaeaf?

Mithrandir

10:16 AM

Gesundheit

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard So I guess that means caps lock day celebrations are over? :P

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell NO NAMES ARE EXCLUDED

ALSO POOR @Derpy APPEARS TO BE CAPS LOCK RESISTANT

GUESS PONY CANNOT BE CAPS LOCKED

Mithrandir

NAH @SHADOW EVEN PINGS CAN BE ALL-CAPS

Shadow Wizard

SURE THEY CAN! BUT @Mithrandir IS ONE CLICK AWAY!

Tinkeringbell

I AGREE ON THAT NAME BEING EXEMPT THOUGH. EVEN WITHOUT CAPS IT WAS MISTAKEN FOR A SNEEZE :P

Shadow Wizard

10:18 AM

ACHOO

NOT THAT COLD AGAIN!

!!/BLAME

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's Dragonrage's fault.

Tinkeringbell

AGAIN? I'M STILL NOT OVER THE FIRST :P

Shadow Wizard

!!/ALLCAPS

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard No such command 'allcaps'.

Shadow Wizard

BUH

SMOKEY.TOUPPERCASE();

Tinkeringbell

10:20 AM

@ARTOFCODE COULD YOU MAKE SMOKEY POST IN UPPERCASE, JUST FOR THE DAY? :P

Shadow Wizard

KUDOS FOR KILLING THE HABIT OF SHIFT-KEY FOR EMOJI! @TINK

ArtOfCode

tempting

Shadow Wizard

I KNOW IT IS HARD!

@NOG WROTE A NICE STORY. :D

SmokeDetector

SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF EFFORT FOR A JOKE, THOUGH.

Tinkeringbell

@ArtOfCode WELL, WITH THAT KIND OF ATTITUDE... I GUESS IT'S NOT HAPPENING ANYTIME SOON :P

Derpy

10:21 AM

𝔒𝔨, 𝕴 𝔱𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔨 𝔦𝔱 𝔦𝔰 𝔞 𝔭𝔢𝔯𝔣𝔢𝔠𝔱 𝔱𝔦𝔪𝔢 𝔱𝔬 𝔯𝔢𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔯𝔬𝔬𝔪 𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔱 𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔶 𝔰𝔥𝔬𝔲𝔩𝔡𝔫'𝔱 𝔟𝔢 𝔭𝔩𝔞𝔶𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔴𝔦𝔱𝔥 𝔣𝔞𝔱𝔢 𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔱 𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔶 𝔴𝔞𝔶𝔰 𝔢𝔵𝔦𝔰𝔱 𝔱𝔬 𝔟𝔢 𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔢 𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔬𝔶𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔱 𝔴𝔯𝔦𝔱𝔱𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔴𝔦𝔱𝔥 𝔠𝔞𝔭𝔰 𝔩𝔬𝔠𝔨 𝔬𝔫.

Shadow Wizard

HAHA

Tinkeringbell

@SmokeDetector I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW YOUR INNER WORKINGS :P

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell ALL 0 AND 1

0101010111100100100100100101011

Nog Shine

@ShadowWizard THANKS

Shadow Wizard

DOES SMOKEY DREAM ABOUT ELECTRIC SHEEP?

Journeyman Geek

10:23 AM

@Derpy have a muffin. A Scooby snack flavoured muffin

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy ACTUALLY, I CAN READ THAT JUST AS EASY AS CAPS LOCK POSTS :P

Journeyman Geek

I can't

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek HEY, MISTER MORNING SHOUTING! JOIN THE CELEBRATION! JOIN US! JOIN US!

Journeyman Geek

I am stuck in a tiny booth at work :p

It would be too loud

SmokeDetector

I DREAMED A DREAM IN DAYS GONE BY / WHEN SPAM WAS PLENTIFUL AND CHAT QUITE BUGGY / I DREAMED THAT SHEEP WOULD ALWAYS BEEP / I DREAMED THAT @ART WOULDN'T YELL AT ME FOR ABUSING SMOKEY CREDS

Shadow Wizard

10:24 AM

SAD THAT THERE IS NO PEE DAY... CONSIDERING DECLARING SUCH A DAY... SUGGESTIONS FOR A DATE ARE WELCOME! :P

@SmokeDetector WELL SAID!

ArtOfCode

!!/pull

Shadow Wizard

GRABBING POPCORN

SUMMONING @BART

HOPING THE PING WON'T CAUSE HIM ANOTHER MIGRAINE

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard I'M THINKING THAT CAN GO UNDER WORLD KIDNEY DAY?

EVERY SECOND THURSDAY IN MARCH :)

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell NO! PEE MUST HAVE ITS OWN DAY! IT IS MORE THAN JUST THE ORGAN MAKING IT.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard IF THE PING DIDN'T, ALL THE SHOUTING IS GOING TO KEEP HIM AWAY, I GUESS :D

Shadow Wizard

10:30 AM

@Tinkeringbell PROBLEMATIC. THURSDAY IS ALMOST WEEKEND, PEOPLE WON'T PAY ENOUGH ATTENTION!

@Tinkeringbell WORST CASE HE'LL SMITE US ALL WITH HIS SMITING STICK! :D

!!/ALIVE

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring

Shadow Wizard

:(

GOING TO BUY PITTA AND NAKNIK

Tinkeringbell

I THINK IT'S ALMOST LUNCH TIME HERE TOO, AND I'LL BE DOING SOME GROCERY SHOPPING AFTER :D

SO, EVERYONE, HAVE FUN ENJOYING THE PEACE AND QUIET FOR A WHILE :P

Somewhat

MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF CAPS!

5

Shadow Wizard

CAPS STAR RULZ!

Tinkeringbell

10:33 AM

@Somewhat FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP YET: WE'RE FULL ON BUSY CELEBRATING CAPS LOCK DAY!

3

Shadow Wizard

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell ^ oooook, I guess...

ArtOfCode

@Derpy SEE THE NEXT PARAGRAPH

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THAT NEXT PARAGRAPH!

ArtOfCode

WHILE WE'RE AT IT

CAN WE GET RID OF THE HABIT OF USING CAPS LOCK FOR A SINGLE CAPITAL AT THE START OF A SENTENCE WHERE SHIFT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE

Magisch

10:39 AM

@ArtOfCode BUT THEN HOW WILL OUR CAPS LOCK BUTTON SEE CONSISTENT USE?

Tinkeringbell

UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO USE STICKY KEYS, CAPS LOCK IS ACTUALLY AN ACCESSIBILITY THING.

ArtOfCode

@Magisch ON CAPS LOCK DAY, WHICH IS THE ONLY PURPOSE FOR WHICH IT IS NECESSARY

Mithrandir

@ArtOfCode WHO THE HECK DOES THAT

ArtOfCode

@Mithrandir ******* EVERYONE I KNOW

Mithrandir

THAT'S JUST PLAIN RIDICULOUS.

ArtOfCode

10:40 AM

IT BUGS ME ENDLESSLY

Mithrandir

WE NEED TO EDUCATE THEM ON THE EVILS OF CAPS LOCK

Tinkeringbell

@ArtOfCode DID THOSE PEOPLE GROW UP WITH TYPEWRITERS, PERHAPS?

ArtOfCode

@Tinkeringbell TYPEWRITERS ALSO HAVE A SHIFT KEY

Tinkeringbell

@ArtOfCode BUT IF YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH TO USE A TYPEWRITER, YOU'RE ALSO MAYBE FRAIL ENOUGH AND NOT HAVE THE STRENGHT IN YOUR PINKY FINGER TO USE IT!

ArtOfCode

@Tinkeringbell THIS CONFUSES ME

HOW DO YOU HAVE THE STRENGTH TO USE CAPS LOCK BUT NOT SHIFT

Tinkeringbell

10:42 AM

@ArtOfCode THE CAPS LOCK KEY WAS ADDED TO TYPEWRITERS FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THE STRENGHT IN THEIR PINKY FINGER TO HOLD DOWN SHIFT.

LEMME GOOGLE!

ArtOfCode

BUT NO, MOST PEOPLE I KNOW WHO DO THIS DO NOT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY

MY COWORKERS DO IT AND THEY'RE NOT MUCH OLDER THAN ME

THEY ALSO SINGLE-FINGER SEARCH-AND-PECK AND ARE AMAZED WHEN I TYPE STUFF, SO MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED

Mithrandir

I... WOULDN'T EXPECT ROPE CLIMBING INSTRUCTORS TO GENERALLY BE THE MOST TECH SAVVY

Tinkeringbell

@ArtOfCode AAAAGH! HUNT AND PECKERS!

ArtOfCode

0.5 WPM

Tinkeringbell

MY DAD IS ONE OF THOSE, MADE FOR A REALLY FUNNY TIME WHEN I DID MY TYPING COURSES ON THE FAMILY PC AND HAD TO USE STICKERS TO BLOCK THE LETTERS TO AVOID EXACTLY THAT :P

@ArtOfCode EVEN TWO LETTER WORDS? ;)

Derpy

10:47 AM

..........

......................

....................................................

3

Q: Your community’s current problems, findings, and initiatives

Remember how you started programming? I’d bet that when many of you were kids who played with graphic editors after school and at some point decided to find out what the difference between .img and .exe files was. As a result, you installed Turbo Pascal and instead of working with funny pictures,...

.... maybe it is monday....

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy I'M NOT INVOLVED IN ANY INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITIES, BUT THAT DOESN'T LOOK BAD TO ME?

ArtOfCode

@Tinkeringbell I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED

HUH I GOT FASTER

NEARLY AT 80 WPM

Tinkeringbell

@ArtOfCode WHAT TEST DID YOU TAKE?

I GUESS I CAN DO EVEN FASTER :P

ArtOfCode

@Tinkeringbell typing-speed-test.aoeu.eu

Magisch

@Derpy genuinely no clue what exactly that is

or is supposed to accomplish

Tinkeringbell

10:51 AM

@ArtOfCode DANG, FORGOT TO TURN THE CAPS LOCK OFF..

> n reality, you typed 409 CPM, but you made 60 mistakes (out of 60 words), which were not counted in the corrected scores.

ArtOfCode

82 WPM

Derpy

@Magisch so I am not the only one.

Magisch

whatever these days

Derpy

I have read the question multiple times now and I still can't understand what it is supposed to mean

I mean...

> At some point, on Stack Overflow in Russian we had gotten a lot of questions with greetings. Some users began to edit the questions, which resulted in a large number of edits in the review queue.

and

> The first step towards joint development is to start sharing our problems, findings, and initiatives with all international communities.

..... wasn't that one of the purposes of Meta in the first place?

discussing and resolving network wide issues?

Tinkeringbell

@ArtOfCode GUESS I WAS AIMING FOR CPM, NOT WPM. MY WPM IS ACTUALLY BAD APPARENTLY, SOMEWHERE NEAR 60-70

ArtOfCode

10:54 AM

CPM = WPM * 5.0

Tinkeringbell

@ArtOfCode NAH, AS YOU CAN SEE MY FIRST WPM WAS 60 ;) THE SECOND ATTEMPT LANDED AT 315 CPM/62 WPM

Magisch

@ShadowWizard you're more optimistic then me. re: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317087/…

ArtOfCode

@Tinkeringbell THAT'S THE FORMULA THE SITE USES TO CALCULATE

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Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I'm still holding out there

Else I wouldn't have bothered

Magisch

11:02 AM

I half expect a blog post on how "disappointed" staff is that our community is "harassing" twitter users.

only half joking

Tinkeringbell

okay. Caps lock day seems over.

Mithrandir

@Magisch There should be some blog posts coming about the issue, but not like that ;)

John Dvorak

@Magisch DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS (sorry @Magisch)

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Well, I certainly was a little disappointed at all the attention that person got ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I think that would be epic, and if someone did that, they probably just hate us all

Magisch

11:05 AM

@Tinkeringbell I'm filing that under "you cry into the forest, don't be surprised when the forest cries back" :p

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch we're supposed to be 'the better people' here, for lack of better words.

ArtOfCode

@JourneymanGeek if that happened I would fully expect moderators quitting

Magisch

SE certainly didn't help by elevating the twitter post from "random complainer #19992318822 this tuesday" to "more effective and taken more seriously then many years of meta voting and discussion"

Tinkeringbell

You can't really get outraged at someone's actions and then lower yourself to that level too, that's just not going to make your point.

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell I mean I have yet to hear about any actual harassment

just a bunch of people arguing, which, yeah, that's normal

Andras Deak

11:07 AM

*makes sea lion sounds*

Magisch

I have never DMed anyone on twitter but I might just change my profile pic to a sea lion for lols

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch 'any actual harassment' is a far cry from what I meant by 'not give it attention, don't lower yourself to that level'. I think it would be great if mods could have some rules on using Twitter too.

Andras Deak

thanks, ~~guys~~ people for bringing my attention to Monica's post and the staff's response. Eeep

Tinkeringbell

and for all that matters, if behaving badly on Twitter could carry over to your SE account :P

Derpy

Just wondering... Serious question here. How many users in this rooms actually remember the kind of questions Anime used to be full of in its old days?

ArtOfCode

11:10 AM

@Tinkeringbell I'll echo what I said in TL. If someone starts bashing the community that you've helped build without good reason, and the people who should have defended it are throwing you under the bus, then it's entirely normal to want to step in and defend it yourself.

Tinkeringbell

@ArtOfCode It's normal to want to ;) It's also (in my experience) normal to have some guidance from the company that says 'don't do exactly that'.

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell I disagree. Arguing is not lowering yourself to that level

now if you started blindly flinging insults like the user that sparked this whole discussion, yeah, no.

ArtOfCode

@Tinkeringbell but... we don't have that, and actually moderators are the people who do community outreach and external engagement for SE sites, because SE doesn't

Andras Deak

I thought we chose mods exactly because they seem like the people who can represent and in a way guide the community. Mods are the least likely to go on harrassing users in twitter, and I don't think that's ever happened.

ArtOfCode

so I'm not at all surprised it happened and I'm certainly not feeling like anyone did anything wrong there

Andras Deak

11:12 AM

I can only see put-downs and toxic behaviour from the "other" side (so to speak, by which I just mean the offended twitter user and the "SRE") in this event

Magisch

the mods on IPS were appointed, but still. They're doing their best

Tinkeringbell

@ArtOfCode Well, may just be me then. I wouldn't have graced that retweet, original tweet, or Adams reaction with any reaction outside of SE, because that's how I was taught to behave.

ArtOfCode

@Tinkeringbell I wouldn't have done so if SE hadn't - I think that's the crucial difference

Magisch

real talk though, if an employee goes around sayin stuff like this: twitter.com/shanemadden/status/1052912705592471552

Andras Deak

exactly ^

Magisch

11:14 AM

that's just blatant contempt of the userbase

Derpy

oh, nice.

there was also a free "censored insults" emoji enclosed with the sea lions package.

Andras Deak

I'd add that the original blog post of welcomingness started down this path, but I know this is a much more controversial opinion

Derpy

didn't notice that

Magisch

anyone who has reservations about the new direction is apparently part of a vocal, resistant and obnoxious minority

how about that

Andras Deak

well bad people are obnoxious, and who makes people offended are bad people, so I'm not sure what your issue is

Magisch

11:16 AM

trying to remain within the unconditional assumption of good faith that's like trying to wash something but using dirt instead of soap

Tinkeringbell

Honestly, I could've jumped up, told her to buzz off, said all the things I'd have loved to say while feeling hurt... it wouldn't have made a single difference. I can't access the codebase and revert changes... I can only be mad that someone decided to pull IPS out of HNQ instead of editing titles, instead of telling the community that there were complaints and we need to mind our titles.

In a sense, Kelly wasn't wrong in her observation. She was wrong in the medium she picked to convey it (at least to me, she was) and the words she used to do so (as if she were speaking for all people, in…

Andras Deak

@Magisch This perfectly fits in good faith. Just a chaotic neutral kind of good faith towards someone being offended on twitter, rather than assuming good faith toward everyone involved

Magisch

@AndrasDeak No I mean fitting into the fact that I'm supposed to assume unconditional good faith on the part of SE employees

Andras Deak

I'm sure the SRE believed they were doing The Right Thing stepping up against Yet Another Instance of Oppression

Magisch

which I've just decided to do for this

@Tinkeringbell a normal discussion about the appropriateness of these titles would have ended very differently

Andras Deak

11:19 AM

I think this has more to do with the global atmosphere of "guilty unless proven innocent" which seems very prevalent these days. Horrible people being accused of horrible things, and every once in a while innocent people being accused of horrible things, and in the end the lives of both kinds of people are in ruins

Magisch

probably in a "sure, why not, if it makes people more comfortable" followed by editing the titles

John Dvorak

How about this: If somebody uses the word "mansplaining", we assume they don't want to be explained anything, we won't provide any explanation - and we act as if we had and they agreed with us

Magisch

I mean the word has its uses

but not these

Andras Deak

@Magisch yeah, but not as defense in an argument

John Dvorak

What is a valid use?

Andras Deak

11:21 AM

it's an existing phenomenon from certain kinds of actual mysogynists, so talking about that makes sense

Magisch

the original legitimate use was borne from the need to point out that sometimes perspective differences are important for the outcome of a discussion in a snappy way

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Yes... so would everyone just staying away from that thread after we found out about it ;)

Derpy

my question is still up for take, if anyone is willing to.

Andras Deak

@JohnDvorak it's in a way hilarious how some of the people fighting against bias and oppression tend to use the worst toxic language

Tinkeringbell

Now, damage is done, we can only try to make it better now.

Magisch

11:21 AM

It's ... unconstructive, sure. Properly explained would be "your perspective colors the way you look at this in a way that impacts your conclusion unduely" but that's long winded

Andras Deak

fortunately most people aren't like this, but the worst of the worst are always the most vocal and most visible

John Dvorak

What are most feminists like?

Andras Deak

eh, let's not go there

the word "feminist" alone has so much baggage that it's impossible to have a constructive discussion around it

there's no two people who mean the same thing by "feminism" let alone "feminist" so I'd rather stick with facts rather than terminology

John Dvorak

oh, ok

thanks

Magisch

@JohnDvorak AMA, I am one

Andras Deak

11:27 AM

@Magisch you're not even like "most people" :P

Magisch

I'll take that as a compliment

btw @Tinkeringbell there's also this: twitter.com/tinkertim/status/1052927770915983360

I'd like to know how IPS fares atm, because it sure sounds like we're about to be closed

Andras Deak

that's what you get for trying to pretend that people have feelings

John Dvorak

I sure don't want IPS to close

Derpy

....I guess I'll keep waiting then.

Andras Deak

Quick, someone write up one of those sweaty-decision memes with DROP TABLE crap_questionsvs DROP TABLE controversial_content

@Derpy I figured this is not very useful to you but here goes: I don't remember and I've never been to anime.SE :P

Derpy

11:35 AM

@AndrasDeak oh, don't worry. The last image I posted wasn't about the question I made ^_^. This one was about the current situation and the "IPS scandal"

Andras Deak

hehe, OK :)

John Dvorak

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Andras Deak

@JohnDvorak too high-brow :D But I appreciate it

Derpy