That would be Joel. He gets universal hate but not much controversy. The controversy is whether we should delete his stuff, or if he's protected because he gives us money.
And well, it would be nice to have something solid in place like "this is how we intend to handle tweets in future - in consultation with the community"
I'm so not willing to believe that unless they make some serious effort to mend relations with the community
a big apology post on MSE and a concrete plan on how to avoid this kind of disrespect in the future. I'm not going to demand resignations because that's just silly, but we need something more then "yeah, sorry"
Hey, shooting someone in the face is also "effective and easy to implement since it would fix the perceived problem immediately and there was already a technical solution in place for doing it."
@JourneymanGeek surely there is nothing official. SE employees use their own personal accounts on Twitter and can decide certain things on their own. I agree this better be changed or at least formalized somehow. E.g. in cases as the HNQ scandal have SE official Twitter account reply something official and more professional.
I expect at most a platitude or two and then the thread will die the same death in obscurity as the literally dozens of hundreds of upvote threads on the welcoming subject did.
I wish that somebody had replied to that tweet with "I'm so sorry you saw that. Can you write a post on our meta site (link) so that we can discuss changes to avoid that happening again?" instead of "That's a problem, let me go fix it." I hope/think they had internal discussion, but I feel like the point of meta is so that discussion isn't internal when it doesn't need to be.
the fact that the decision making process hasn't included any community feedback in a while is something that does trickle down into everything, though
@EmC For what it's worth, I think the actual question/answer content on IPS is generally respectful and well-curated. What I was going for was that I agreed that the question titles screenshotted in the quoted tweet weren't a good look for Stack Overflow. In hindsight, if I were to do this again, I'd do two things: 1. choose less absolute wording on Twitter; 2. wait before pushing the change through to allow for more upfront communication here. I apologize for doing neither of those things; I should've known better. — Adam Lear ♦11 hours ago
People on twitter are now demanding that two of our IPS moderators should be removed for speaking up in defense of the site on twitter though, so it'll be interesting to see the response to that
@Magisch I'm not sure that those two things would solve the problem anyhow. I think that 2 should sound more like "Talk to the community on ips/so to see how we can best solve this problem" rather than "Wait before pushing the change"
@Magisch I think that was just somebody non-CM at SO making a whoopsie rather than malice on their side or demands that mods be removed, if we're thinking of the same tweet?
Yeah, but I think that's just them being unaware of what they're saying/speaking rashly, not really evidence of much besides the fact that they aren't totally aware of the context/situation (which twitter makes easy).
While we're talking about controversies, did anything besides the new CoC and new contributor indicator and new flags come out of the big inclusivity push a while back?
I do totally see a very reasonable way for the "let's remove ips from HNQ, it won't make a big splash" decision to happen. Tweet -> Internal Chat -> People mentioning other HNQ complaints/metas on ips about how hnq sucks -> Assuming people will agree with change -> Change Happens.
We have the community team but where is the voice in the community team that goes "Hold on for just a sec, the way you're planning to do this is going to go down like a lead balloon"
I kinda think that SE Inc has pushed a lot for the userbase to reform. Maybe we could try pushing for internal reform. Unlikely to work, but I don't think that's been tried on meta? e.g. a meta suggesting a new internal twitter policy.
@TravisJ Didn't bother me, but I've stared at HNQ a lot. I can see how it would bother folks who hadn't. At the least, it's strange to see on a programming site.
If you were going to volunteer somewhere as a young adult male, would you really choose a girls only middle school? Further, is it really flirting if someone makes small talk suggesting you dressed up (common among kids), as well as asking if you are married (often kids assume adults in places of authority are married). To me, the whole situation is very strange, and borders on predation.
And regardless, I don't think those questions are the problem here. I think the problem is the fact that and the manner in which SE responded to the tweet.
